Verdict on Kinect

So, basically, what I gather from this thread is that a_simple_gamer is kind of like the lemming version of Aku101...

LordQuorthon

Well, i would be the only lemming to liee Demon Soul far more than Halo and Gears though, you have to admit that

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]Fable 3 appeals to me more than all PS3 games combined actually, even without Kinect,so yes

I want to rule its huge open kingdoms, not play simplistic games that you shoot stuff or jump around or play quick time events

I am a hardcore RPG gamer, if that is what you mean, those games you posted dont interest me much at allGiancar

don't tell me about volumetric blah blah and lighting... welcome back, saolin!

kinect is the complete opposite of something a hardcore gamer would want. All the games shown are made to be played in short bursts.

Color me dissapointed in the current line up for Kinect, however I do see potential in it.

What holds it back is exactly the technology, but more because of the limits of a camera based device in gaming. Both Sony and Nintendo have looked into this techonology (The guys who made Natal actually went to Nintendo first before MS), and dismissed it as being limited in gameplay mechanics.

I think the integration of Kinect in some traditional games such as headtracking for Forza could be awesome.

kinect is the complete opposite of something a hardcore gamer would want. All the games shown are made to be played in short bursts.

Heirren

Actually it is the only thing a hardcore gamer would want, the most next gen way to immerse the gamer in the game in full 3D body mapping

Waving a stick is so last gen after Kinect, sorry

You mean Wii and Move can do full 3D body mapping ?

a_simple_gamer

No but the Dreamcast Vision, PS2 Eyetoy, and PS3 Eye can :)

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

You mean Wii and Move can do full 3D body mapping ?

Zanoh

No but the Dreamcast Vision, PS2 Eyetoy, and PS3 Eye can :)

They cant actually, not even close

All Move can do is track in full 3D the body part that has move stick, nothing else

Also can track in 2D the body parts, but that is 100% different than tracking them in 3D

So, no, they cant do full 3D body tracking, only Kinect can with the 2onddepth camera

I have a question about kinect how do you move. Do you walk in place. How do you turn around do you actually turn around away from the TV. In a racing game how do you brake do you yell Xbox Brake Because if you do that I think It will just RROD.

Now combing wii/move controls with kinect that in my opinion is next gen controls.

[QUOTE="Zanoh"]

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

You mean Wii and Move can do full 3D body mapping ?

a_simple_gamer

No but the Dreamcast Vision, PS2 Eyetoy, and PS3 Eye can :)

They cant actually, not even close

All Move can do is track in full 3D the body part that has move stick, nothing else

Also can track in 2D the body parts, but that is 100% different than tracking them in 3D

So, no, they cant do full 3D body tracking, only Kinect can with the 2onddepth camera

hes right besides, if PS3 Eye can track 3D mapping, wouldnt that make the move controller fake.

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

[QUOTE="hd5870corei7"] Those games appeal to you more than Heavy Rain, Killzone 3, MLB 11: The Show, Socom 4 and LittleBigPlanet 2 etc, games that actually likely to score AAA? Seems like you're a hardcore lemming, not gamer.hd5870corei7

Fable 3 appeals to me more than all PS3 games combined actually, even without Kinect,so yes

I want to rule its huge open kingdoms, not play simplistic games that you shoot stuff or jump around or play quick time events

I am a hardcore RPG gamer, if that is what you mean, those games you posted dont interest me much at all

wouldnt a hardcore RPG enjoy any RPG?

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

[QUOTE="Zanoh"]

No but the Dreamcast Vision, PS2 Eyetoy, and PS3 Eye can :)

gamer-adam1

They cant actually, not even close

All Move can do is track in full 3D the body part that has move stick, nothing else

Also can track in 2D the body parts, but that is 100% different than tracking them in 3D

So, no, they cant do full 3D body tracking, only Kinect can with the 2onddepth camera

hes right besides, if PS3 Eye can track 3D mapping, wouldnt that make the move controller fake.

LOL. He's not right. The Eye can do 3D mapping. The controller is just the focal point on which the camera focuses on, like the senor bars depicting movements from the Wii controller.

The Dreamcast Vision and PS2 Eyetoy can do so as well. The only thing is though is that you had to hardcode your software to do it instead of the peripheral.

It hasn't convinced me on how it will improve the core games. Especially with the price tag, it should do something.

Firstly, lets stop this stuff about Kinect being anything like what was previously done, eyetoy, etc. If it was Sony would be all over MS and sue them.

Secondly lets stop trying to make Kinect work with "core" game-play type games, that is what your controller is for.

Kinect is going to revolutionize the way we play new typesgames. Its not some gimmick like Move or the Wii where you eventually sit down and play those core games.

No, Kinect is going to get you moving and play games with way more precision than anything the Move or Wii will do.

I can't believe that all of you wouldn't just be itching to get your hands on this awesome technology. If you just take the fanboy out of the equation you have no choice but to be excited.

Kinect is the the new virtualboy .....but with crappier games.....and will disppear like said item

No, Kinect is going to get you moving and play games with way more precision than anything the Move or Wii will do.

-Ninja_Dog-

more precision, really? did you see the demo for tiger woods with the move? that was precision that you couldnt get with just a camera.

How can there be a verdict on something that is even out yet?

How can there be a verdict on something that is even out yet?

XboximusPrime

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

[QUOTE="CwlHeddwyn"]

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gamesgear/0,39029441,49306117,00.htm

apparently its quite impressive. ^^

gamebreakerz__

Of course it is, it is next gen technology unlike MOve and Wii

hey cmon just let it go... hes just a....

*puts on sunglasses*

..a simple gamer8)

YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHh

[spoiler] that was awful:P [/spoiler]

ok, so people liked natal .... so what??

it will fail tho, and probably MS will give up on it as a gaming machine, and they will advertise it as a cool new tech in browing, interaction and communication.

Too bad it will fail.chapnzaba

It is selling well already actually

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

kinect is the complete opposite of something a hardcore gamer would want. All the games shown are made to be played in short bursts.

a_simple_gamer

Actually it is the only thing a hardcore gamer would want, the most next gen way to immerse the gamer in the game in full 3D body mapping

Waving a stick is so last gen after Kinect, sorry

Well, the games speak for themselves, and it really isn't too far fetched to have your dog beat you at Street Fighter Kinect.

--also, every video shown shows immense amount of lag with quicker movements.

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

kinect is the complete opposite of something a hardcore gamer would want. All the games shown are made to be played in short bursts.

Heirren

Actually it is the only thing a hardcore gamer would want, the most next gen way to immerse the gamer in the game in full 3D body mapping

Waving a stick is so last gen after Kinect, sorry

Well, the games speak for themselves, and it really isn't too far fetched to have your dog beat you at Street Fighter Kinect.

--also, every video shown shows immense amount of lag with quicker movements.

The system has zero lag

Of course depends on how developers use it and optimize too, like with all software

http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/24/the-engadget-show-010-jimmy-fallon-kudo-tsunoda-microsoft-k/

Go to 50:00 minute, zero lag there, all motion perfectly translated

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no lag confirmed again

http://www.maxconsole.net/content.php?41042

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

Actually it is the only thing a hardcore gamer would want, the most next gen way to immerse the gamer in the game in full 3D body mapping

Waving a stick is so last gen after Kinect, sorry

a_simple_gamer

Well, the games speak for themselves, and it really isn't too far fetched to have your dog beat you at Street Fighter Kinect.

--also, every video shown shows immense amount of lag with quicker movements.

The system has zero lag

Of course depends on how developers use it and optimize too, like with all software

http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/24/the-engadget-show-010-jimmy-fallon-kudo-tsunoda-microsoft-k/

Go to 50:00 minute, zero lag there, all motion perfectly translated

---

no lag confirmed again

http://www.maxconsole.net/content.php?41042

Every video shows lag.

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

Well, the games speak for themselves, and it really isn't too far fetched to have your dog beat you at Street Fighter Kinect.

--also, every video shown shows immense amount of lag with quicker movements.

Heirren

The system has zero lag

Of course depends on how developers use it and optimize too, like with all software

http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/24/the-engadget-show-010-jimmy-fallon-kudo-tsunoda-microsoft-k/

Go to 50:00 minute, zero lag there, all motion perfectly translated

---

no lag confirmed again

http://www.maxconsole.net/content.php?41042

Every video shows lag.

The one i posted does not, where do you see it ? It has zero lag there

Can you pinpoint the exact time ?

Firstly, lets stop this stuff about Kinect being anything like what was previously done, eyetoy, etc. If it was Sony would be all over MS and sue them.

Secondly lets stop trying to make Kinect work with "core" game-play type games, that is what your controller is for.

Kinect is going to revolutionize the way we play new typesgames. Its not some gimmick like Move or the Wii where you eventually sit down and play those core games.

No, Kinect is going to get you moving and play games with way more precision than anything the Move or Wii will do.

I can't believe that all of you wouldn't just be itching to get your hands on this awesome technology. If you just take the fanboy out of the equation you have no choice but to be excited.

-Ninja_Dog-

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

The system has zero lag

Of course depends on how developers use it and optimize too, like with all software

http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/24/the-engadget-show-010-jimmy-fallon-kudo-tsunoda-microsoft-k/

Go to 50:00 minute, zero lag there, all motion perfectly translated

---

no lag confirmed again

http://www.maxconsole.net/content.php?41042

a_simple_gamer

Every video shows lag.

The one i posted does not, where do you see it ? It has zero lag there

Can you pinpoint the exact time ?

There is no exact time. It all shows lag. The second post on the maxconsole link even states that the lag is around 500ms. The one above, ONE JOURNALIST, says there is no lag. So we have countless videos and eyewitnesses of lag, and then we have one journalist stating there it is lag free. Hmm...

Still looks like a glorified eyetoy with a price tag to fit to me, I still have an eyetoy and it was great fun but I paid about 10% of what MS want for kinect for it. The only genre I can think of that might make it tempting is a rts that uses interaction with on screen menu's and the hud to play it, but I don't think what I have in mind will happen.

The one i posted does not, where do you see it ? It has zero lag there

Can you pinpoint the exact time ?

a_simple_gamer

Every control scheme has lag. There is lag in that video even though all it's doing is relaying the camera input back and adding a wireframe.

Stop misinforming people, seekar.

Digital Foundry:

"Lag is present in Kinect Sports, as it is in all of the titles we see, but Rare's on-hand technical and communications expert Nick Burton pegs the game latency at 150ms, defined by the time taken for light to reach the camera and until the display information leaves the 360 output (in other words, you can add TV lag on top of that)."

[QUOTE="CwlHeddwyn"]

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gamesgear/0,39029441,49306117,00.htm

apparently its quite impressive. ^^

a_simple_gamer

Of course it is, it is next gen technology unlike MOve and Wii

Are you a paid shill?

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

You can use a pad with it, so every single game can be played with added Kinect support and a pad

Fable 3 is rumored to have Kinect support too

a_simple_gamer

Well you could, but then you're back to playing with a controller in front of the psEYE. That sort of seems a step backwards from Wiimote and Move does'nt it?

No, because you still get all features of Kinect, like full body tracking in 3D, something impossible for PS3 and Wii

im still going to call it project natal. ferret-gamer

thank you

sounds like people are upset it is good, lol, gotta love the hate.

sounds like people are upset it is good, lol, gotta love the hate.

ProjectNatalFan

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

[QUOTE="CwlHeddwyn"]

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gamesgear/0,39029441,49306117,00.htm

apparently its quite impressive. ^^

skektek

Of course it is, it is next gen technology unlike MOve and Wii

Are you a paid shill?

No, just someone that has read about Kinect

[QUOTE="skektek"]

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

Of course it is, it is next gen technology unlike MOve and Wii

a_simple_gamer

Are you a paid shill?

No, just someone that has read about Kinect

Well I wouldn't expect you to admit it :roll:

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

[QUOTE="skektek"]

Are you a paid shill?

skektek

No, just someone that has read about Kinect

Well I wouldn't expect you to admit it :roll:

are you a hater?

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

[QUOTE="skektek"]

Are you a paid shill?

skektek

No, just someone that has read about Kinect

Well I wouldn't expect you to admit it :roll:

I do know what Kinect does more than Wii and Move, and no, i am not afraid to admit it, i have read much about the technology

[QUOTE="skektek"]

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

No, just someone that has read about Kinect

ProjectNatalFan

Well I wouldn't expect you to admit it :roll:

are you a hater?

Yup.

Lemmings must be really desperate if they are trying to hype up motion controls :lol: , either way no one has an issue with kinect's tech it's the application and the price.