VF 5 interview. Sorry Sony faithful. No online update for you.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]Saying a game won't be more fun online is like saying a hot girl isn't going to be more fun with her clothes off. Of course she is going to be more fun with her clothes off and of course the game is going to be more fun online. Use common sense people.Heil68

Um we all have. But to say that adding an online mode won't make the game more fun is kinda short sighted.

[QUOTE="Jada_Kiss"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="Jada_Kiss"]

Fact: the 360 online version will not make the gameplay any more fun. Only for people who dont care to learn the game and mash. You can probably only have a semi decent match if you play with someone around the same city as you. that's about it.

yoshi_64

You can definately tell this guy hasn't played DOAU or DOA4 :roll:

Online makes a difference and gives the game more longevity causing it to be more fun. Saying "Fact: the 360 online verison will not make gameplay any more fun. Isn't a fact its just a fanboys biased words spilling from his/her mouth.

this is not DOA we are talking about. This is VF. DOA doesn't require what VF does. Every thing, I mean EVERYTHING in VF is critial. Online can only diminish the gameplay unless they dumb down the whole system to DOA status which i dont think they would do. Remember, DOA was programed for the intent of online, VF wasn't.

also connection will depend if it lags or not. I've played DOA 4 online many times and have had many battles that aren't laggy or dire.

true, but it will just be an extra feature that cant be executed well. I know there will be better matches in VF, but it still wont help. I've played Tekken:DR online and in the most perfect matches, you can still feel the lag when you juggle. Now you can increase VF juggling difficulty compared to tekken and the game will still wont be the same. You probably wont even be able to preform anything since they float like an inch off the ground in VF.

[QUOTE="bezaire2005"]

[QUOTE="joe_g_patton"]I own the PS3 version and would rather play against friends locally than get cheezed by online cheezers....with extra cheeze.....and some cheeze dip.......and maybe some of that cheeze that you spray onto your crackers from a can....ok, done.joe_g_patton

I'd rather have the option to decide about whether or not I'd like to play online...you don't have that choice.

And don't lie and say something stupid like "I would rather not have that choice"...because you will just get laughed at.

Hmmmmm, I don't like to play fighters online........so........to me, there is no reason to buy a 360 version of a game that I already own............my worst fear in life is getting LoL'ed at by people on system wars. Please! Nobody LoL at me, OK? I mean it! :shock:

Maybe it doesn't matter to you, but that doesn't mean you would rather NOT have the option.

And it's good that you don't like to play fighers online...because the ps3 doesn't have any. I guess Sony just chose to make things easy this generation. My hat is off to them. Perhaps they should have thought about there plans a little bit before they made commens like "THE NEXT GENERATION STARTS WHEN WE SAY IT DOES".

[QUOTE="yoshi_64"][QUOTE="Jada_Kiss"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="Jada_Kiss"]

Fact: the 360 online version will not make the gameplay any more fun. Only for people who dont care to learn the game and mash. You can probably only have a semi decent match if you play with someone around the same city as you. that's about it.

Jada_Kiss

You can definately tell this guy hasn't played DOAU or DOA4 :roll:

Online makes a difference and gives the game more longevity causing it to be more fun. Saying "Fact: the 360 online verison will not make gameplay any more fun. Isn't a fact its just a fanboys biased words spilling from his/her mouth.

this is not DOA we are talking about. This is VF. DOA doesn't require what VF does. Every thing, I mean EVERYTHING in VF is critial. Online can only diminish the gameplay unless they dumb down the whole system to DOA status which i dont think they would do. Remember, DOA was programed for the intent of online, VF wasn't.

also connection will depend if it lags or not. I've played DOA 4 online many times and have had many battles that aren't laggy or dire.

true, but it will just be an extra feature that cant be executed well. I know there will be better matches in VF, but it still wont help. I've played Tekken:DR online and in the most perfect matches, you can still feel the lag when you juggle. Now you can increase VF juggling difficulty compared to tekken and the game will still wont be the same. You probably wont even be able to preform anything since they float like an inch off the ground in VF.

yawn....more predictions...yawn.

[QUOTE="Jada_Kiss"]

this is not DOA we are talking about. This is VF. DOA doesn't require what VF does. Every thing, I mean EVERYTHING in VF is critial. Online can only diminish the gameplay unless they dumb down the whole system to DOA status which i dont think they would do. Remember, DOA was programed for the intent of online, VF wasn't.

Blackbond

So correct me if I'm wrong.

1. DOA1 was an Arcade game ported to Saturn and PS1.
2. DOA2 was an Arcade game ported to Dreamcast and PS2.
3. Yet Team Ninja got both of these games working online for the Xbox and there were no major issues.

Your point fails.

DOA:U & 4 buddy

They modify the frame data to make it work online efficiently. Anyways all those previous ones lacked depth anyways so they could throw the DC version of DOA2 online right now and it wouldnt make a difference.

[QUOTE="Jada_Kiss"][QUOTE="yoshi_64"][QUOTE="Jada_Kiss"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="Jada_Kiss"]

Fact: the 360 online version will not make the gameplay any more fun. Only for people who dont care to learn the game and mash. You can probably only have a semi decent match if you play with someone around the same city as you. that's about it.

bezaire2005

You can definately tell this guy hasn't played DOAU or DOA4 :roll:

Online makes a difference and gives the game more longevity causing it to be more fun. Saying "Fact: the 360 online verison will not make gameplay any more fun. Isn't a fact its just a fanboys biased words spilling from his/her mouth.

this is not DOA we are talking about. This is VF. DOA doesn't require what VF does. Every thing, I mean EVERYTHING in VF is critial. Online can only diminish the gameplay unless they dumb down the whole system to DOA status which i dont think they would do. Remember, DOA was programed for the intent of online, VF wasn't.

also connection will depend if it lags or not. I've played DOA 4 online many times and have had many battles that aren't laggy or dire.

true, but it will just be an extra feature that cant be executed well. I know there will be better matches in VF, but it still wont help. I've played Tekken:DR online and in the most perfect matches, you can still feel the lag when you juggle. Now you can increase VF juggling difficulty compared to tekken and the game will still wont be the same. You probably wont even be able to preform anything since they float like an inch off the ground in VF.

yawn....more predictions...yawn.

it's not a prediction, it will eventually happen.

[QUOTE="Mandingo101"]the 360 pad mixed with p2p online? color me not excited...lawlessx

d-pad and joystick both worked great with dead or alive 4 :)

Oh God sony it feels soo good!!!

Don't stop!!!

[QUOTE="bezaire2005"][QUOTE="Jada_Kiss"][QUOTE="yoshi_64"][QUOTE="Jada_Kiss"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="Jada_Kiss"]

Fact: the 360 online version will not make the gameplay any more fun. Only for people who dont care to learn the game and mash. You can probably only have a semi decent match if you play with someone around the same city as you. that's about it.

Jada_Kiss

You can definately tell this guy hasn't played DOAU or DOA4 :roll:

Online makes a difference and gives the game more longevity causing it to be more fun. Saying "Fact: the 360 online verison will not make gameplay any more fun. Isn't a fact its just a fanboys biased words spilling from his/her mouth.

this is not DOA we are talking about. This is VF. DOA doesn't require what VF does. Every thing, I mean EVERYTHING in VF is critial. Online can only diminish the gameplay unless they dumb down the whole system to DOA status which i dont think they would do. Remember, DOA was programed for the intent of online, VF wasn't.

also connection will depend if it lags or not. I've played DOA 4 online many times and have had many battles that aren't laggy or dire.

true, but it will just be an extra feature that cant be executed well. I know there will be better matches in VF, but it still wont help. I've played Tekken:DR online and in the most perfect matches, you can still feel the lag when you juggle. Now you can increase VF juggling difficulty compared to tekken and the game will still wont be the same. You probably wont even be able to preform anything since they float like an inch off the ground in VF.

yawn....more predictions...yawn.

it's not a prediction, it will eventually happen.

THAT IS A PREDICTION. GO LOOK UP YOUR DEFINITIONS!. I hate to get into philosophy here...but you can't say what's going to happen in the future and say it's not a prediction. What if the world ends tommorow...is what you said factual? Would it still happen? No. Therefore, it is a prediction, made by you, with no knowledge what so ever of how the actual final build will end up.

[QUOTE="lawlessx"]

[QUOTE="Mandingo101"]the 360 pad mixed with p2p online? color me not excited...Mandingo101

d-pad and joystick both worked great with dead or alive 4 :)

nope..plays just fine.

[QUOTE="Mandingo101"][QUOTE="lawlessx"]

[QUOTE="Mandingo101"]the 360 pad mixed with p2p online? color me not excited...lawlessx

d-pad and joystick both worked great with dead or alive 4 :)

nope..plays just fine.

THAT IS A PREDICTION. GO LOOK UP YOUR DEFINITIONS!. I hate to get into philosophy here...but you can't say what's going to happen in the future and say it's not a prediction. What if the world ends tommorow...is what you said factual? Would it still happen? No. Therefore, it is a prediction, made by you, with no knowledge what so ever of how the actual final build will end up.

bezaire2005

It's science

"
From a NET-CODE perspective, 60 FPS is nearly impossible. Let's say you're playing someone with a 90 ms latency-- which is a pretty damn low ping-time. That means it takes 90 ms for information to travel between the two of you. That's just over five frames, you're losing. Imagine trying to play against an opponent, but you are CONSTANTLY a full five frames behind him. So, let's apply that to a 15 frame move. In a normal game, you have 15 full frames to react to that attack before it hits. In an online game, you'd have 10 frames-- by the time you saw that 10th frame, the opponent's computer would ALREADY know that it hit you. Now, let's pretend that's a 15-frame launcher, like Dragunov's d/f+2. If you don't react properly in those first 10-frames of the move-- the only 10 frames that you get to see-- suddenly Drag launches you and gets 2,1,3, d+4,1,3 for a huge chunk of your life.

This isn't an issue of processor power. It's not a matter of PS3 hardware versus PS2 hardware. That has absolutely nothing to do with the problem. This is purely a matter of distance. Have you ever been to a baseball game, and sat so far away that you could see the ball hit the bat well before you hear the sound? Same principle. The information being sent across the Net is just like those sound waves-- it travels EXTREMELY slowly in comparison to the calculations that the machine is doing. As a result, there's a HUGE discrepancy in when the server KNOWS you've been hit (ball hits the bat) and when you finally realize it (hearing the sound).

--Kyuzo"

[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="Mandingo101"][QUOTE="lawlessx"]

[QUOTE="Mandingo101"]the 360 pad mixed with p2p online? color me not excited...Mandingo101

d-pad and joystick both worked great with dead or alive 4 :)

nope..plays just fine.

He is talking about the controller, not the online experience.

I don't understand what the few remaining ps3 fans are trying to prove in this thread:

1. Are you trying to suggest to 360 fans that having online is no big deal? XBOXLIVE has easily over 6 million users. The most popular online games in console history have been played on the MS brand. You are not going to convince these people that such a large feature that reaches millions of people is all of a sudden not a big deal.

2. Are you trying to suggest that the ps3 version is not inferior? You are paying the same for less features...it's as simple as that. Whether you use the future or not, your potential value is decreased. 360 owners will have the option of playing both online and offline, ps3 owners are being denied that option. I really don't believe this is the kind of statement Sony wants to make with a $600 console.

3. Are you trying to suggest that the 360 having online support is a BAD thing? In no way shape or form can this be considered a bad thing. It will not take a way from any of the features that ps3 gamers got, and online play is optional.

You are just running into a brick wall.

vf5 online will also released in japan. but only xb360 version.

[QUOTE="Mandingo101"][QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="Mandingo101"][QUOTE="lawlessx"]

[QUOTE="Mandingo101"]the 360 pad mixed with p2p online? color me not excited...TBoogy

d-pad and joystick both worked great with dead or alive 4 :)

nope..plays just fine.

He is talking about the controller, not the online experience.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="Jada_Kiss"]

this is not DOA we are talking about. This is VF. DOA doesn't require what VF does. Every thing, I mean EVERYTHING in VF is critial. Online can only diminish the gameplay unless they dumb down the whole system to DOA status which i dont think they would do. Remember, DOA was programed for the intent of online, VF wasn't.

Jada_Kiss

So correct me if I'm wrong.

1. DOA1 was an Arcade game ported to Saturn and PS1.
2. DOA2 was an Arcade game ported to Dreamcast and PS2.
3. Yet Team Ninja got both of these games working online for the Xbox and there were no major issues.

Your point fails.

DOA:U & 4 buddy

They modify the frame data to make it work online efficiently. Anyways all those previous ones lacked depth anyways so they could throw the DC version of DOA2 online right now and it wouldnt make a difference.

Still doesn't change the fact that DOA 1 & 2 weren't designed for online play and work well online now does it?

"
From a NET-CODE perspective, 60 FPS is nearly impossible.

http://www.tekkenzaibatsu.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=97523&perpage=25&pagenumber=2Jada_Kiss

Yet Soul Calibur 4, DOA 4 and VF5 and Tekken 5-DR are all online online at 60 FPS. Or am I wrong :roll:

http://games.kikizo.com/features/sega_am2_interview_sept07_p1.asp

Sucks Ps owners, but look at the bright side if you have a 360 you can get it.

too_much_eslim

I don't understand what the few remaining ps3 fans are trying to prove in this thread:

1. Are you trying to suggest to 360 fans that having online is no big deal? XBOXLIVE has easily over 6 million users. The most popular online games in console history have been played on the MS brand. You are not going to convince these people that such a large feature that reaches millions of people is all of a sudden not a big deal.

2. Are you trying to suggest that the ps3 version is not inferior? You are paying the same for less features...it's as simple as that. Whether you use the future or not, your potential value is decreased. 360 owners will have the option of playing both online and offline, ps3 owners are being denied that option. I really don't believe this is the kind of statement Sony wants to make with a $600 console.

3. Are you trying to suggest that the 360 having online support is a BAD thing? In no way shape or form can this be considered a bad thing. It will not take a way from any of the features that ps3 gamers got, and online play is optional.

You are just running into a brick wall.

bezaire2005

Wow. Ownage APPROVED! :shock:

http://games.kikizo.com/features/sega_am2_interview_sept07_p1.asp

Sucks Ps owners, but look at the bright side if you have a 360 you can get it.

too_much_eslim

SORRY, NO MODS NO NEW MAPS NO NEW GUNS NO NEW NOTHING FOR YOU IN UT3 SORRY.

VERY SORRY.

SORRYx 10000

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]

http://games.kikizo.com/features/sega_am2_interview_sept07_p1.asp

Sucks Ps owners, but look at the bright side if you have a 360 you can get it.

weiliang_1988

SORRY, NO MODS NO NEW MAPS NO NEW GUNS NO NEW NOTHING FOR YOU IN UT3 SORRY.

VERY SORRY.

SORRYx 10000

[QUOTE="bezaire2005"]

I don't understand what the few remaining ps3 fans are trying to prove in this thread:

1. Are you trying to suggest to 360 fans that having online is no big deal? XBOXLIVE has easily over 6 million users. The most popular online games in console history have been played on the MS brand. You are not going to convince these people that such a large feature that reaches millions of people is all of a sudden not a big deal.

2. Are you trying to suggest that the ps3 version is not inferior? You are paying the same for less features...it's as simple as that. Whether you use the future or not, your potential value is decreased. 360 owners will have the option of playing both online and offline, ps3 owners are being denied that option. I really don't believe this is the kind of statement Sony wants to make with a $600 console.

3. Are you trying to suggest that the 360 having online support is a BAD thing? In no way shape or form can this be considered a bad thing. It will not take a way from any of the features that ps3 gamers got, and online play is optional.

You are just running into a brick wall.

Magical_Zebra

Wow. Ownage APPROVED! :shock:

SELF OWNAGE. THE NON-OPEN NETWORK OF LIVE MEANS THAT THERE WILL NEVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR BE MODS FOR LEMMINGS

[QUOTE="weiliang_1988"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]

http://games.kikizo.com/features/sega_am2_interview_sept07_p1.asp

Sucks Ps owners, but look at the bright side if you have a 360 you can get it.

VACASCULIADAS

SORRY, NO MODS NO NEW MAPS NO NEW GUNS NO NEW NOTHING FOR YOU IN UT3 SORRY.

VERY SORRY.

SORRYx 10000

THE PC DOESNT EVEN HAVE VF ON IT . OMG U ARE SO OWNED BY YOURSELF.

[QUOTE="weiliang_1988"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]

http://games.kikizo.com/features/sega_am2_interview_sept07_p1.asp

Sucks Ps owners, but look at the bright side if you have a 360 you can get it.

VACASCULIADAS

SORRY, NO MODS NO NEW MAPS NO NEW GUNS NO NEW NOTHING FOR YOU IN UT3 SORRY.

VERY SORRY.

SORRYx 10000

LOL UR QUAD DOESN GET VF1 EVEN.

I bought the PS3 version of VF5 because I do not like the D-pad of the 360. I think it is the pits on how it feels and is one giant button. I don't play fighting games with the anolog stick. Oh well. whocares9

This is soooooooooo true. Thats my only complaint on the 360 controller. The Dpad feels like one big damn button. For me, its easier to do a "hadoken" with the Dpad than the analog stick. This is where the Dualshock and Dreamcast controllers excell. Awesome Dpads!!

[QUOTE="VACASCULIADAS"][QUOTE="weiliang_1988"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]

http://games.kikizo.com/features/sega_am2_interview_sept07_p1.asp

Sucks Ps owners, but look at the bright side if you have a 360 you can get it.

weiliang_1988

SORRY, NO MODS NO NEW MAPS NO NEW GUNS NO NEW NOTHING FOR YOU IN UT3 SORRY.

VERY SORRY.

SORRYx 10000

THE PC DOESNT EVEN HAVE VF ON IT . OMG U ARE SO OWNED BY YOURSELF.

[QUOTE="Jada_Kiss"]

"
From a NET-CODE perspective, 60 FPS is nearly impossible.

http://www.tekkenzaibatsu.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=97523&perpage=25&pagenumber=2Blackbond

Yet Soul Calibur 4, DOA 4 and VF5 and Tekken 5-DR are all online online at 60 FPS. Or am I wrong :roll:

if you were to actually understand the context, he was talking about for a game to run perfectly.

[QUOTE="VACASCULIADAS"][QUOTE="weiliang_1988"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]

http://games.kikizo.com/features/sega_am2_interview_sept07_p1.asp

Sucks Ps owners, but look at the bright side if you have a 360 you can get it.

weiliang_1988

SORRY, NO MODS NO NEW MAPS NO NEW GUNS NO NEW NOTHING FOR YOU IN UT3 SORRY.

VERY SORRY.

SORRYx 10000

LOL UR QUAD DOESN GET VF1 EVEN.

[QUOTE="whocares9"]I bought the PS3 version of VF5 because I do not like the D-pad of the 360. I think it is the pits on how it feels and is one giant button. I don't play fighting games with the anolog stick. Oh well. Magical_Zebra

This is soooooooooo true. Thats my only complaint on the 360 controller. The Dpad feels like one big damn button. For me, its easier to do a "hadoken" with the Dpad than the analog stick. This is where the Dualshock and Dreamcast controllers excell. Awesome Dpads!!

I am the same, I grew up playing fighting games on the original playstation with the first Virtua fighters and Tekkens. Now I just don't like the anolog for it and I pull moves that are down angle forward ..for example much better off with the playstation D-pad. I also played alot of street fighter on SNES and that also had a fantastic Dpad.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="Jada_Kiss"]

"
From a NET-CODE perspective, 60 FPS is nearly impossible.

http://www.tekkenzaibatsu.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=97523&perpage=25&pagenumber=2Jada_Kiss

Yet Soul Calibur 4, DOA 4 and VF5 and Tekken 5-DR are all online online at 60 FPS. Or am I wrong :roll:

if you were to actually understand the context, he was talking about for a game to run perfectly.

No game runs perfectly online. There is always some bit of lag. Your grasping for straws now :|

[QUOTE="Jada_Kiss"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="Jada_Kiss"]

"
From a NET-CODE perspective, 60 FPS is nearly impossible.

http://www.tekkenzaibatsu.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=97523&perpage=25&pagenumber=2Blackbond

Yet Soul Calibur 4, DOA 4 and VF5 and Tekken 5-DR are all online online at 60 FPS. Or am I wrong :roll:

if you were to actually understand the context, he was talking about for a game to run perfectly.

No game runs perfectly online. There is always some bit of lag. Your grasping for straws now :|

wasn't that the whole point of the comment that I posted? :|

[QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="bezaire2005"]

I don't understand what the few remaining ps3 fans are trying to prove in this thread:

1. Are you trying to suggest to 360 fans that having online is no big deal? XBOXLIVE has easily over 6 million users. The most popular online games in console history have been played on the MS brand. You are not going to convince these people that such a large feature that reaches millions of people is all of a sudden not a big deal.

2. Are you trying to suggest that the ps3 version is not inferior? You are paying the same for less features...it's as simple as that. Whether you use the future or not, your potential value is decreased. 360 owners will have the option of playing both online and offline, ps3 owners are being denied that option. I really don't believe this is the kind of statement Sony wants to make with a $600 console.

3. Are you trying to suggest that the 360 having online support is a BAD thing? In no way shape or form can this be considered a bad thing. It will not take a way from any of the features that ps3 gamers got, and online play is optional.

You are just running into a brick wall.

weiliang_1988

Wow. Ownage APPROVED! :shock:

SELF OWNAGE. THE NON-OPEN NETWORK OF LIVE MEANS THAT THERE WILL NEVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR BE MODS FOR LEMMINGS

Ya...no mods..because that's such a huge deal in a 2 player fighting game.

Anyways, how about we just look past all of this and settle it with a few matches of VF5 online on the ps3....

...oh wait...

It's funny to see how m any people thought they could simply make a *patch* and the PS3 version would suddenly be online-enabled. It would take more than a patch, but a massive software update, as well as a commitment from Sega to run dedicated servers.

Kinda felt like they weren't going to do all of that...but I knew the people who thought it would just need a "patch" were way off.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="Jada_Kiss"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="Jada_Kiss"]

"
From a NET-CODE perspective, 60 FPS is nearly impossible.

http://www.tekkenzaibatsu.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=97523&perpage=25&pagenumber=2Jada_Kiss

Yet Soul Calibur 4, DOA 4 and VF5 and Tekken 5-DR are all online online at 60 FPS. Or am I wrong :roll:

if you were to actually understand the context, he was talking about for a game to run perfectly.

No game runs perfectly online. There is always some bit of lag. Your grasping for straws now :|

wasn't that the whole point of the comment that I posted? :|

So what you require a perfect expereince to play games? Do you only play games offline? Sorry man but all the big boys have already stepped it up or are stepping it up into the online fighting arena including Tekken 6. If you don't like it then don't play the online modes. Fighting games are proven to be playable online and they've proven to be fun. Adding them doesn't change the offline play what so ever. If you want to cry about it then don't play online. But VF5 with online > VF5 without online and that is an absolute fact that you can't dispute.

They don't care about Virtua Fighter, they have Tekken and Soul Calibur.

That's probably the answer you'll get.

Panzer_Zwei

they have tekken, both are getting soul calibur this time around :P

[QUOTE="bezaire2005"]

...This is what I pay 50 bucks for. PS3 fans can talk about their free service all you want...but when games are online for the 360 and NOT for the ps3, how can the psn service be anything but free?

They'll make the excuses..but the bottom line is that a former exclusive Sony franchise is better on the 360 than on thePS3.

TriangleHard

lol

Xbox Live has nothing to do with Virtua Fighter 5 getting online mode.

O'rly? Are you that naive? XBL is precisely the reason. The service is already set up and the devs really don't have to do much.