VR is finally on its deathbed and the numbers to prove it.

I think the poor VR sales have said enough, more than I could ever say.

Hey man, you love it, that's fine but don't be blind as to why it's not a big hit with normal people.

I think once fashion concerned people actually try it they will be less concerned about what they look like with a helmet on.

I say the reason it has not taken off is one thing and one thing only.

content.

the high end uber advertised, hyped to all hell content is not out yet.

I'm not sure that's accurate or that simple. With the price premium in theaters and most TV manufacturers using pricey active shutter glasses with limited battery life that needed recharged (though LG used the same glasses you could take home from the theater). Saying it was solely because people didn't like wearing glasses seems oversimplified and misleading with all the other factors in play.

as someone who has had an Oculus for over a year i can say there are two reasons I dont use it as much as I would like.

1. set up, wires here, wires there, get game started, is camera set. well with the new standard for cables for VR it sounds like much of that problem will be solved.

2. content. I like games with depth etc, sitting around playing a carnval basketball game doesnt do much for me. Now I can see that as a great party game but for me naaa.

the 3rd is likely cost, but as I had mentioned before I think there is room in gaming for the equivalent of High End Audio

As someone who dabbled in 3D TV's, the LG were the best. A trip to the theater always gave me spare glasses to use at home.

I keep waiting to take the plunge myself. Not sure what I'm waiting for exactly.

I would wait until second generation.

(as a side note I think people who have VR headsets telling people to hold off until gen 2.0 might affect actual sales as well)

Yes. That's what you are doing when you say "nobody wants that". How is it even possible not to understand that?

It's cuz Nintendo or MS isn't jumping aboard the bandwagon. Then all of a sudden they're turn around say that VR is gonna dominate.

Yeah its the best its ever been and its still terrible. It has nothing to do with wearing anything on your face. Otherwise why do people wear sunnys, helmets etc. Not one person who ive shown my psvr has complained about wearing it nor the weight, only the price. No one cares about cutting of the world most people do that already when watching a movie or listening to music or just day dreaming.

It's a niche hobby as compared to gaming at large. It's the cherry on top that most people either don't require, don't understand or are just traditional players (like me).

I'm not saying its good or bad, but it needs to be essential to your gaming experience, and until it is, it won't dominate anything.

especially when the format has FOUR CORE GAMES in 3 years!!!!

resident evil 7

skyrim

fallout 4

Doom

2 years. And you forgot Wipeout, Elite Dangerous, Project Cars 2, Alien Isolation, and there are upcoming AAA exclusives like Stormland, Respawn's game, Valve's 3 games, and more unannounced.

wipeout VR is an addon patch to wipeout. not a standalone game...same for project cars. you can not buy standalone VR versions of these games.

they are additions to already exisiting core games.

alien isloation is also not sold as a standalone VR game. its a patched mode.

come to think of it. resident evil 7,skyrim,fallout doom are all not sold seperately. so in reality VR has ZERO exclusive CORE Games.

thanks for clarifying.

I will ask again and see if you can actually answer the question without deflecting.

Does an article from a well known Sony shill site have any integrity???

If you refuse to answer or deflect again, then we will accept that NO that's sites opinion doesn't have any integrity.

VR is like 3D graphics were back then, it just takes more time to get to where we are right now in terms of 3D graphics. When it gets there though it will destroy 2D gaming.

Back then, 3D graphics didn't require you to have a plastic box hanging off your face to use them.

Back then, 3D graphics could be enjoyed by everyone without any side effects.

Back then, 3D graphics had better software support and was backed by a much larger amount of developers.

So no, VR is not like 3D graphics at all.

Well, good. It should die

Sparta kick in to the pit

VR is a very cool experience but it makes me feel sick inside 45 mins. Lets just say I like to game for "slightly" longer than that ;)

@i_p_daily: Dude the only reason you're coming back to this thread is because you got thoroughly rekt in my thread. All anyone has to do is peep my recent PSVR thread to observe your destruction. You're just spouting the same crap you spouted over there. You gave up on that thread because you got owned, and now you're trying to save face. I mean, come on, dude. Have a little dignity.

@npiet1: That’s your opinion. Certain films looked amazing in 3D. Avatar, Thor Ragnarok. And hey man, that may be true but it still doesnt change that VR hasnt been more popular. Its nice that you and your two friends love VR. No one else does.

Your mom was there too, but she wasn't playing vr ?

My mom died last year. So I don't know how that's possible. Unless you were banging her ghost.

And if so, at least she's getting some in the afterlife.

It's still a full game you can play, same with Alien Isolation. Also, Skyrim, Fallout, and Doom are sold separately, do your research.

kind of matches you politics

You're making such a big deal about something that I have barely talked about. I'm not aware of how much of a "shill" they are, but even if they are, that doesn't change the fact that the article in this thread is pointless.

Hopefully consoles die too. Because why not, lets hate on everything. Your motto, not mine.

3D graphics still gave some people motion sickness (though not on the level of VR) that was eventually reduced significantly.

3D graphics did not have better software support. It took a long time before games like Doom, Quake, Wolfenstein came out.

3D graphics also required expensive hardware .

The adaption rate for 3D is and was much faster then VR...........

The Oculus Rift V1 was released over 2 years ago now and it's AAA gaming support is still pretty much none existent.

And if you compare that to how quickly 3D caught on in the first 2 years of it's life there's just no comparison, VR is massively behind 3D's journey to the mainstream.

that is true however you need to put a correction into your forumla.

There was no such thing as a AAA game when 3D came out. as such, the likes of 3 developers creating Doom were only competing with Duke Nukem for players attention, so its much easier to do.

that said, VR is more complex in hardware required, set up, getting possible customers to experience it without spending $700 etc. so its a different ball game

It's pretty easy to try VR for not a lot of money these days.

Most people have a decent smart phone and all you need is one of these headset for £10 and you can get a pretty good VR experience. Surprisingly good in fact. I was very impressed.

Of course it's no way as good as the full fat version that you have but you can at least experience what most people will buy it for... Porn.

lol...

ummm no.

1. you have to download a movie

2. if its a game its extremely basic

regardless my point point is: AAA games did not exist when 3D came about so the only thing those three developers creating Doom where competing for on your attention was Duke Nukem, Saturday Night at the movies showing 'Trading Places', maybe some good music on the stereo or maybe some VHS video that momma brought back from the store and the vast majority of people didnt even play video games..

so not that hard.

Loads of games came out in 1993... what are you on about?

Plus you can easy stream VR porn from loads of sites, you don't have to download anything.

yeah 'a load of games' yeah your right...it wasnt just Duke Nukem there was also Day of the Tentacle

look here are the facts

Fact 1. AAA games did not exist in 1993

Fact 2. The overall market was considerably smaller then it is today

Fact 3. The games themselves like nearly 100% of them where all made by small teams. So its not like Doom was trying to create the next 'Uncharted 2'

so the point here is that today you have people who are playing games with multi-million dollar budgets, nearly the entire human history of video on demand (meaning technology in general has given us a lot more distractions), and tons of games everywhere. So its harder to get peoples attention, it requires more to get their attention.

please dont be hard about this...take a breath and think about what I am saying...please

It took more than a decade for 3D games to gain some traction and longer still to become the focus of gaming.

Also Oculus Rift is getting 5 AAA VR exclusives, two of which with confirmed 2019 release dates.

??? first gen 3d accelerators released in 1995. Nintendo 64 came in 96. Quake came in 96. Unreal by 98. Half Life in 98. The ps2 in 2000. Within 5 years of consumer release of first generation 3d accelerators gaming had already completely switched from 2D to 3D. Your timeline is WAY off.

where is Doom on your list?

I know people personally in real life who still play VR daily its not dead its not even close to dead. They play that VR chat game and tons of other stuff and they love it.

Maybe PC VR is dying but not PSVR

Calling VR a fad or saying it's dead is giving it too much credit. VR was never really alive in the first place. Motion controls were a fad. VR was something that no one other than tech journalists and uber nerds ever really cared about or bought. Now VR stuff is in the bargain bin, and even at bargain bin prices no one cares about it.

Let's be honest here, at a time when video games are becoming mainstream and even have kind of a cool factor, strapping scuba goggles to your face and prancing around like a fairy is for complete dorks.

It also has kind of the same problem as motion controls where almost no one playing a video game actually wants to do anything physical while playing. You play video games because you want to be lazy. Looking around and swinging your arms around is too much work.

that is factually ridiculous and funny given the amount of money that is currently being invested in VR.

I always love these topic when it comes up. first off I own an oculus rift and go I enjoy them both but i'm not surprise at this cause from day one I have said the more devs push for people to move around to play their games the less people will buy it. the ones who room scale gets them excited is a limited group and we r hitting the cap on that. sony is winning cause it's the cheapest and most of their devs focus on seated game play. something oculus has woken up to and is quickly adjusting to. value is too which is the whole reason why their new controller has thumbstick on them. once room scales dies and ports to every game is made vr will pick back up. we want to play our loved games in vr not try some unknown devs crazy ideas that they think is cool for vr. btw all shooters can be easily ported Croteam showed so with SS:VR fusion other devs need to follow their lead and also make games where VR and non-vr gamers can play together in the same game. these things needs to be worked out before there is a 2.0

Companies investing in VR =/=actual consumers buying into VR

I'm betting Facebook is wishing they'd never bothered with Oculus at this point.

3D games existed way before then. You're moving goalposts here.

"VR was something that no one other than tech journalists and uber nerds ever really cared about or bought."

You're literally describing gaming in the 1970s/1980s which invalidates your whole point about VR's future because just like gaming became mainstream, VR has an even better chance.

These scuba goggles will eventually be normal-sized glasses, so that argument is also off the table, and basically no one that tries VR cares about how they look.

You don't have to be active while using VR; that's an option. You can sit down and play seated games, or literally lie on your back staring at the ceiling and play normal games on a virtual screen. But physical activity is good for anyone, and many people will start replacing their exercise schedules and sports with VR games.

They'd be laughing in their offices at you hysterically for that comment. They keep getting more committed to VR every year. They keep getting more excited about it, and showing off huge progress in R&D.

They plan to inject another $3 billion into VR over the next 9 years.

Facebook can see the future very clearly. They know that VR will play a massive role in our lives.

This is like word for word what people said about motion controls, wii sports, and that board thing for the wii. Now we look back on that idea and laugh.

People play video games because they feel like being lazy assholes. And you can't change human nature.

no its not.

wii sports perhaps but I know that the general population has always been Meh about Kinetic for example.

regardless of that point, you are not in prediction mode instead of stating how it is currently mode.

did you notice that?

There's nothing to predict. VR is a failed idea that will never be anything more than a niche/fringe thing.

I cant believe you missed the point

here is the point

1. you started by explaining how things are

2. then you started to predict about how thing will be. (that is called a prediction)

when talking about how things currently are right now without predicting the following is FACT

FACT 1. BILLIONS of dollars have been poured into VR and is still being spent on content and hardware

FACT 2. second generation is already known, documented and ready to go. plus a new standard agreed on by many vendors. This is not speculation this is fact that is easy to look up an verify.

what will be the impact of that investment and second generation is a different conversation.

see?

Billions were also poured into motion controls and 3D HDTVs. Those ideas caught on more than VR has, but are still regarded as failures/fads. Just because companies are spending money does not mean this is something consumers want.

VR is a great idea and all.

Unfortunately for me it made me sick and was extremely uncomfertable to play.

@bigfootpart2: lol VR is nothing like 3D and Wii motion controls bub

Maybe, just maybe it's because motion controls and Wii sports were not transformative experiences that can allow for true AAA games above and behind the heights of today's AAA games? VR can do this.

Just imagine when a AAA VRMMO is released and how revolutionary it will be, or even just some of the 2019/2020 AAA VR games. VR games will set the bar for gaming's highest achievements going forward.

Based on literally nothing other than "Gamers are lazy" Well you do realize that gaming is only one part of VR? There are countless uses for both consumers and enterprise. And as I said, VR games don't have to be active and people completely underestimate their ability to play active VR games anyway - it can turn lazy people into VR gamers.

VR (combined with AR) is literally going to replace the smartphone, that's how big it's going to be, and that's what almost everyone in the tech industry can see.

This comparison goes nowhere. 3D TVs are so limited in their application. VR can be used in literally almost every industry with lots of home uses too. Same with motion controls, a very limited set of applications when used with screens compared to VR.