Waiting badly for current gen consoles to die !

So I'm a hardcore PC gamer; had good experience with PSP and old consoles like Sega mega drive.

I have a good PC setup and I play all the multiplats with 3D glasses at almost everything maxed out with 2*1680*1050 resolution for 99% of the games. That is just unmatched experience to any of the consoles. I have a good joypad and a wii style motion sensing remote, but I only use them with driving games or games made with a controller in mind. So I'm very happy with my PC game experience so far.

Now I am thinking about gaming on consoles along with my PC. Problem is current gen consoles are obsolete now by technology standards and I don't want to buy something with so old hardware. Continuous release of new console-based hardware like kinect, move and 3D is clearly to make the life of these consoles longer. These new hardware are definitly impressive but unfortunately the console hardware won't support it at reasonable resolutions and graphics details, so they are not worth it. Because of so old hardware, now the graphics on consoles have come to all-look-similar point; they can't be improved anymore and its been a long time. They don't even support more than DX9. Similarly better AI implementation and physics are impossible. With multi-plats, many times PC gamers have to bear the low level obsolete-technology based games.

I don't know why Microsoft and Sony realize that it's time for something new now. How about a console that has built-in everything like blue ray, 3D, motion sensing controls, keyboard, mouse, camera and all with decent hardware based on the latest PC graphics card series and decent multicore CPU. Another feature that I want, maybe not much feasible, would be upgradable memory, GPU and CPU. Upgradable parts can be based on the same family of hardware, so that the developers still get the same architecture for uniform development and optimizations. If such a console comes, I will happily stop playing PC games; just hoping for now.

It's coming up to a new console cycle, as this one's been around for almost 5 years now. However it may be slower to move on, as it seems all of the big 3 are digging in their heels.

Still, the current consoles are excellent, offer great graphics (though obviously lacking compared to certain PC games) and offer fantastic games. It's a shame you're not willing to experience that.

You have a long wait buddy.:P

Hope you're patient

The graphical differences are so minimal between console and pc. It's nothing like HL2 vs last gen console graphics.IAMSERIAL

So the difference between the best console games and Crysis/Metro 2033 running at max, with resolutions upwards of 1080p is "minimal"?

[QUOTE="IAMSERIAL"]The graphical differences are so minimal between console and pc. It's nothing like HL2 vs last gen console graphics.lundy86_4

So the difference between the best console games and Crysis/Metro 2033 running at max, with resolutions upwards of 1080p is "minimal"?

EDIT: I was mostly talking about multiplats anyway. I remember back then the pc version was so obviously the better version that it was worth to actually upgrade. It's no longer the case.

The graphical differences are so minimal between console and pc. It's nothing like HL2 vs last gen console graphics.IAMSERIAL

This is going to be a fun thread.

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[QUOTE="IAMSERIAL"]The graphical differences are so minimal between console and pc. It's nothing like HL2 vs last gen console graphics.IAMSERIAL

So the difference between the best console games and Crysis/Metro 2033 running at max, with resolutions upwards of 1080p is "minimal"?

I didn't say anything about HL2, you did. I didn't even touch on that part of your post.

Have you played either of those games at upwards of 1080p on max details?

Edit: It seems you changed your argument to focus on multiplats. Whilst yes, many multiplats do use the sam/similar assets, the added resolution and performance goes a long way.

[QUOTE="IAMSERIAL"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

So the difference between the best console games and Crysis/Metro 2033 running at max, with resolutions upwards of 1080p is "minimal"?

lundy86_4

I didn't say anything about HL2, you did. I didn't even touch on that part of your post.

Have you played either of those games at upwards of 1080p on max details?

So I'm a hardcore PC gamer; had good experience with PSP and old consoles like Sega mega drive.

I have a good PC setup and I play all the multiplats with 3D glasses at almost everything maxed out with 2*1680*1050 resolution for 99% of the games. That is just unmatched experience to any of the consoles. I have a good joypad and a wii style motion sensing remote, but I only use them with driving games or games made with a controller in mind. So I'm very happy with my PC game experience so far.

Now I am thinking about gaming on consoles along with my PC. Problem is current gen consoles are obsolete now by technology standards and I don't want to buy something with so old hardware. Continuous release of new console-based hardware like kinect, move and 3D is clearly to make the life of these consoles longer. These new hardware are definitly impressive but unfortunately the console hardware won't support it at reasonable resolutions and graphics details, so they are not worth it. Because of so old hardware, now the graphics on consoles have come to all-look-similar point; they can't be improved anymore and its been a long time. They don't even support more than DX9. Similarly better AI implementation and physics are impossible. With multi-plats, many times PC gamers have to bear the low level obsolete-technology based games.

I don't know why Microsoft and Sony realize that it's time for something new now. How about a console that has built-in everything like blue ray, 3D, motion sensing controls, keyboard, mouse, camera and all with decent hardware based on the latest PC graphics card series and decent multicore CPU. Another feature that I want, maybe not much feasible, would be upgradable memory, GPU and CPU. Upgradable parts can be based on the same family of hardware, so that the developers still get the same architecture for uniform development and optimizations. If such a console comes, I will happily stop playing PC games; just hoping for now.

zaigham_riaz

Meh, you're comparing the best looking game to consoles. Anyway, I was specifically talking about multiplats anyway.IAMSERIAL

Why wouldn't I compare the best looking games to the consoles best looking games? It's what makes the most sense.

You didn't specify multiplats, which kinda makes it seem like you're backpedaling.

[QUOTE="IAMSERIAL"]Meh, you're comparing the best looking game to consoles. Anyway, I was specifically talking about multiplats anyway.lundy86_4

Why wouldn't I compare the best looking games to the consoles best looking games? It's what makes the most sense.

You didn't specify multiplats, which kinda makes it seem like you're backpedaling.

Nobody is backpedaling. PC graphic differences are too minimal these days to give a rats ass about.IAMSERIAL

You didn't state multiplats in your initial point, and then included it after I stated about running Metro2033/Crysis on max details at a res above 1080p.

You also didn't answer my question about whether you played either of those games at max settings. So, did you?

[QUOTE="IAMSERIAL"] Nobody is backpedaling. PC graphic differences are too minimal these days to give a rats ass about.lundy86_4

You didn't state multiplats in your initial point, and then included it after I stated about running Metro2033/Crysis on max details at a res above 1080p.

You also didn't answer my question about whether you played either of those games at max settings. So, did you?

The graphical differences are so minimal between console and pc. It's nothing like HL2 vs last gen console graphics.IAMSERIAL

Because most games are developed with consoles heavily in mind.

When developers go no-holds-barred development for PC, the difference becomes quite huge. Shogun 2: Total War being the latest example.

Shogun 2 will have more detailed real-time battle units than ever; some troops will have as many as 1,000 polygons (the highest polycount in the entire series). The game itself will be able to render some 56,000 units onscreen at once.Gamespot

Graphic mods also show what PC is capable of aswell...

But you're right... this could be running on the 360 for all I know.

The graphical differences are so minimal between console and pc. It's nothing like HL2 vs last gen console graphics.IAMSERIAL

I have Crysis and Crysis Warhead and I had Metro. I was able to play both on max settings. Crysis does look better than any other game and was the main reason why I upgraded my pc...however Metro 2033 looks great sometimes but ugly other times. Just because I didn't include multiplat in my initial post doesn't mean I didn't have that in mind. I don't have to be so descriptive about it. Multiplats is mostly what pc has these days so of course I had that in mind.IAMSERIAL

Interesting, because they look considerably better than console games.

Now, you may have had it in mind, but I simply said:

You didn't specify multiplats, which kinda makes it seem like you're backpedaling.

lundy86_4

Which it does. Including it after I stated something disproving your point makes it seem like you were trying to alter the argument in your favour. That's what I was stating.

If it's mostly what PC has, explain why PC has nigh on 200 exclusives that are reviewed here on GS... If you would like to do an actual exclusive vs. multiplat count, I would very much like to see it -- seems as you were making the statement, proof would be nice.

[QUOTE="IAMSERIAL"]The graphical differences are so minimal between console and pc. It's nothing like HL2 vs last gen console graphics.mitu123

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[QUOTE="IAMSERIAL"] Nobody is backpedaling. PC graphic differences are too minimal these days to give a rats ass about.IAMSERIAL

You didn't state multiplats in your initial point, and then included it after I stated about running Metro2033/Crysis on max details at a res above 1080p.

You also didn't answer my question about whether you played either of those games at max settings. So, did you?

Yup,all multiplats in here...

Exactly how many of those games can ONLY be done and played on pc? Some of those games are even from last gen.IAMSERIAL

Um you might wanna take a relook at that pic again Iamserial. Witcher 2 is the only game semi multiplatform (coming out months after PC release) and rest should ALL be within this generation. Only ones to debate would be the shumps which actually didn't get completely finished or semi brought over to Europe/ America till well into this generation. Civ 4 came out right in the release of the 360 so it was included into the pic.

Exactly how many of those games can ONLY be done and played on pc? Some of those games are even from last gen.IAMSERIAL

Yes long life cycles are a bad thing.:roll:

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[QUOTE="IAMSERIAL"]The graphical differences are so minimal between console and pc. It's nothing like HL2 vs last gen console graphics.IAMSERIAL

[QUOTE="IAMSERIAL"]The graphical differences are so minimal between console and pc. It's nothing like HL2 vs last gen console graphics.Mystic-G

Because most games are developed with consoles heavily in mind.

When developers go no-holds-barred development for PC, the difference becomes quite huge. Shogun 2: Total War being the latest example.

Shogun 2 will have more detailed real-time battle units than ever; some troops will have as many as 1,000 polygons (the highest polycount in the entire series). The game itself will be able to render some 56,000 units onscreen at once.Gamespot

Graphic mods also show what PC is capable of aswell...

But you're right... this could be running on the 360 for all I know.

[QUOTE="IAMSERIAL"]Exactly how many of those games can ONLY be done and played on pc? Some of those games are even from last gen.Arach666

[QUOTE="Arach666"][QUOTE="IAMSERIAL"]Exactly how many of those games can ONLY be done and played on pc? Some of those games are even from last gen.IAMSERIAL

It´s not. Far from it actually.

[QUOTE="Arach666"][QUOTE="IAMSERIAL"]Exactly how many of those games can ONLY be done and played on pc? Some of those games are even from last gen.IAMSERIAL

Its been 5 years since the beggining of the gen, but I still think it'll go on for another 2 years. Technology just hasn't advanced as far as it usually does before they push out a new console, and neither have sales.

[QUOTE="IAMSERIAL"][QUOTE="Arach666"] I believe all those games are PC only,and the oldest one I see there is Civ 4 from 2005...Arach666

It´s not. Far from it actually.

What? A lot of the games on that pic are multiplatform. I see Sacred 2, twice(which is sad), which is also on consoles. I see Team Fortress 2, which, again, is a multiplat title. Burnout Paradise? Come on.

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[QUOTE="IAMSERIAL"] That's not what I meant.waltefmoney

It´s not. Far from it actually.

What? A lot of the games on that pic are multiplatform. I see Sacred 2, twice(which is sad), which is also on consoles. I see Team Fortress 2, which, again, is a multiplat title. Burnout Paradise? Come on.

[QUOTE="IAMSERIAL"]The graphical differences are so minimal between console and pc. It's nothing like HL2 vs last gen console graphics.lundy86_4

So the difference between the best console games and Crysis/Metro 2033 running at max, with resolutions upwards of 1080p is "minimal"?

[QUOTE="IAMSERIAL"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

You didn't state multiplats in your initial point, and then included it after I stated about running Metro2033/Crysis on max details at a res above 1080p.

You also didn't answer my question about whether you played either of those games at max settings. So, did you?

Arach666

Yup,all multiplats in here...

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[QUOTE="IAMSERIAL"]The graphical differences are so minimal between console and pc. It's nothing like HL2 vs last gen console graphics.EdenProxy

So the difference between the best console games and Crysis/Metro 2033 running at max, with resolutions upwards of 1080p is "minimal"?

Compared to last gen, I agree. Though the seperation is still quite large.

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[QUOTE="Arach666"] Be as that as it may,they are all exclusives,and you stated before that the PC is mostly multiplats these days.

It´s not. Far from it actually.

GhoX

What? A lot of the games on that pic are multiplatform. I see Sacred 2, twice(which is sad), which is also on consoles. I see Team Fortress 2, which, again, is a multiplat title. Burnout Paradise? Come on.

MKay, I'll name a few more. Half Life 2 Episode 2 is now on consoles. Age of Conan is being ported to the 360, The Sims 3 is coming to consoles. The Witcher 2 was also announced to be ported to consoles. Torchlight II will also be coming to consoles. Most of the Sam & Max games were released on consoles.

"Continuous release of new console-based hardware like kinect, move and 3D is clearly to make the life of these consoles longer. These new hardware are definitly impressive but unfortunately the console hardware won't support it at reasonable resolutions and graphics details."

Killzone 3 shows that there won't be an issue with that.Besides, why would you think you need to play only systems with cutting-edge processing power for them to be worth while? Do you only play the most power-hungry games like Crysis and Arma 2? Of course not. MS and Sony don't want to rush into bringing out new consoles because they want to make money from their console business, not lose money. Their consoles aren't obsolete because they're still selling.

The single problem with next-gen consoles will still be heat - cases and fans would need vast improvements.

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[QUOTE="IAMSERIAL"] Multiplats is mostly what pc has these days so of course I had that in mind.EdenProxy

Yup,all multiplats in here...

Except that the list of games in that pic are far from mediocre. There are many AA in that list and a couple of AAA. I don't think any game in that list scored below an A on gamespot.

So no you wouldn't be able to throw in pictures of Haze or Lair.

It's coming up to a new console cycle, as this one's been around for almost 5 years now. However it may be slower to move on, as it seems all of the big 3 are digging in their heels.

Still, the current consoles are excellent, offer great graphics (though obviously lacking compared to certain PC games) and offer fantastic games. It's a shame you're not willing to experience that.

lundy86_4

And TC, if it's the graphics that bother you, then I'm sorry for you.

The graphical differences are so minimal between console and pc. It's nothing like HL2 vs last gen console graphics.IAMSERIAL

It's really alarming how people can't just enjoy what they like instead of wishing that something that other people like would fail. IF PC gaming is so awesome then just enjoy it and don't play anything else.

I think 3D gaming is pure nonsense but I don't wish it to fail, it's just something I will probably never participate in.

(In reference to the pic earlier in thread).... I dislike that photo. I could do the same thing with ps3 by throwing in pictures of haze and lair :roll: . At SW we compare the best of the best, not just any random mediocre game. Pc gaming isnt as good as it use to be and ppl need to stop saying other wise. IMO

EdenProxy

Could I ask what you were trying to prove on your statement?

No one was saying PC was "as good as it use to be". Please read what the members said in this thread about "ALL pc games are multiplats". That is exactly what that pic was refuting. Sorry you upset to see many exclusive PC games. Outside of that, over 95% of those games have 7 or higher on gamespot and the other 5% aren't even reviewed here (5 or so shump games).

Throw your pictures out. This is system wars where pictures pop higher then words and apparently it touched a nerve in you as you made a statement that had nothing to do with the context of the picture. I like that you stereotyped SW as comparing "best of the best" which is not even close to what gets debated. What is subjective "best" means nothing here. We debate everything on SW including best, high exclusives, genre's, platform vs platform, and countless other things.