Was Oblivion THAT bad?

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[QUOTE="6matt6"][QUOTE="pl4yer_f0und"][QUOTE="6matt6"]I have never played a elder scrolls game except for oblivion. What I got from the experience was cookie cutter world design with horrible voice acting, a terrible story, silly levelling system and a dull lifeless world. I honestly don't understand what was so 'good' about it.

Well, Elder Scroll games aren't for everyone.

See this is my problem with oblivion whenever you bring up gripes with leveling, world design, voice acting, story and all the other problems Oblivion has you always get a cop out response. All I have heard people who love Oblivion say is 'I like it' 'people only hate it because Leveling/they want to be cool' I have yet to see anyone stand up for this game and list exactly what it did well. Its always some vague generic praise. Which is funny because thats exactly what the game feels like.

and thats the problem, you don't get it, elderscrolls is not for everyone, they set it up so you can pretty much do anything, go anywhere, and explore/slaughter to your heart's content, the main story quest is just for fools that aren't good at role playing
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#52 MLBknights58
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I thought Morrowind was the worst IMO.

I loved exploring Oblivions world. It was gorgeous.

Skyrim is better than both however.

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#53 brickdoctor
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I think it's a great game. In fact, I recently pulled it out again to prepare for Skyrim. The combat isn't very good but everything else in the game is superb. Absolutely huge and detailed world to explore full of dozens of quests and thousands of characters to interact with. A very engrossing, and occasionally overwhelming, adventure. That isn't to say that it is without flaws though. The story is uninteresting and voice acting is rather bad for the most part, and it has no shortage of bugs.

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#54 KalDurenik
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I think it's a great game. In fact, I recently pulled it out again to prepare for Skyrim. The combat isn't very good but everything else in the game is superb. Absolutely huge and detailed world to explore full of dozens of quests and thousands of characters to interact with. A very engrossing, and occasionally overwhelming, adventure. That isn't to say that it is without flaws though. The story is uninteresting and voice acting is rather bad for the most part, and it has no shortage of bugs.

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O.o i cant tell if you are serious or not.
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#55 MLBknights58
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I think it's a great game. In fact, I recently pulled it out again to prepare for Skyrim. The combat isn't very good but everything else in the game is superb. Absolutely huge and detailed world to explore full of dozens of quests and thousands of characters to interact with. A very engrossing, and occasionally overwhelming, adventure. That isn't to say that it is without flaws though. The story is uninteresting and voice acting is rather bad for the most part, and it has no shortage of bugs.

brickdoctor

Completely agree. /brofist

EDIT: Aside from the bug thing. I never had a problem with those.

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#56 doomguy9
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Cringe-worthy voice acting, terrible facial animations which make it impossible for me to take anyone even remotely serious, incredibly clunky and stiff combat system. Just some of the reasons why I disliked it. Aside from that I found it to be boring as hell, the story never caught me and conversations with apparently soulless NPCs had me asking myself "why am I playing this?" over and over.

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#57 Aux99
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I liked it a lot

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#58 bad_fur_day
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Wow, sucked bad man.

My brain literally shriveled up, crawled out my ear and died when I played that. And I loved Morrowind.

Red Dead Redemption totals it as an open immersive world, and it's not an rpg...

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#59 kozzy1234
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I would rate F3 adn Oblivion 7/10, Skryim is 9.5 or 10/10 for me.

They have improved alot frmo Oblivion imo.

Loved Arena, Daggerfall and Morrowind, but was dissapoitned in Oblivion and F3, Skyrim is amazing though, Bethesda really stepped it up.

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#60 brickdoctor
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[QUOTE="brickdoctor"]

I think it's a great game. In fact, I recently pulled it out again to prepare for Skyrim. The combat isn't very good but everything else in the game is superb. Absolutely huge and detailed world to explore full of dozens of quests and thousands of characters to interact with. A very engrossing, and occasionally overwhelming, adventure. That isn't to say that it is without flaws though. The story is uninteresting and voice acting is rather bad for the most part, and it has no shortage of bugs.

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O.o i cant tell if you are serious or not.

I am. Contrasting opinions are hard to take seriously, aren't they? ;)

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#61 CaptainAhab13
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It wasn't horrible, in fact I loved it. It didn't hold a candle to Morrowind though. Skyrim does, but not Oblivion.
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#62 KHAndAnime
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Lol @ Oblivion and Morrowind's stats system being too complex.
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#63 cainetao11
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In my 5 years at SW, I have noticed that games upon releasing are loved by many, (honeymoon period), then slowly they garner hate. Especially if the game is popular, scored high. Like Oblivion. I love it. It is fun to me. I try not to dissect games, and judge them on whether I feel enjoyment while playing it. I keep my gaming simple, I guess. I see the hate now coming for the Demons/Dark souls games also.
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#64 Lief_Ericson
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Not really, I still played the **** out of it.

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#65 darktx2005
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I'm enjoying it (I'm playing thru it for the first time due to the 5th anniversary release). I'm purposely avoiding Skyrim until I'm done, but I'm having a hell of a good time with it so far.

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#66 finalfantasy94
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I hated it cause the leveling system was complety dumb.

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#67 Master_ShakeXXX
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Oblivion is kind of like that movie Crash. When it first came out it recieved tons of critical acclaim and awards. Now people can't stand the sight of it. :lol:
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#68 joel_c17
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yeah it was pretty bad - even more so compared to skyrim
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#69 WithoutGraceXII
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Oblivion was a great game, and made a lot of improvements to the series (combat for one), but they streamlined too much imo. I don't like fast travel and quest markers, it makes questing too easy. Open map, find marker, fast travel to nearby location, gg. Morrowind you had to talk to people for hints about where to go, plot out the best route to get places, and generally use your brain a lot more. Skyrim perfects the Oblivion style and is an incredible game, but it would be really nice if TES VI mixed up the formula more. Morrowind > Skyrim > Oblivion
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#70 Maroxad
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Oblivion was a rubbish game with terrible VA and writing, awful combat, terrible exploration and just bad at everything. Skyrim while improved in most aspects suffers the same issue.

Oblivion was a game that did absolutely nothing very well. At all. Haven't played Skyrim so I can't comment on it properly. skrat_01

With the exception of guild quests, addition of dragons, writing (yeah, Skyrim's is even worse somehow) and the worst implementation of a perk system ever. Skyrim is superior to Oblivion.

Still, being doesnt change the fact that Skyrim sucks. Skyrim, just like Oblivion, does nothing well at all. Its combat is imbalanced as ****, its stealth mechanics are broken to say the least, the overworld is only slightly more interesting than the one in Oblivion, the dungeons are nearly as linear as CoD, its roleplaying elements are weak, the UI is some of the worst I have ever seen and overall, it is filled with questionable design chioces such as unlimited dragons.

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#71 dommeus
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[QUOTE="dommeus"]

Yeah it was pretty bad.

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Why?

Voice acting, dialogue, main quest, Oblivion gates, level scaling, atmosphere, generic setting, crappy combat, loads of bugs, omniscient guards, back seat final battle, Oblivion gates, copy pasted dungeons, handful of voice actors, pointless celebs, unrewarding exploration, s***ty magic system, levelling up in general, Oblivion gates
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#72 Tezcatlipoca666
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Nope. I thoroughly enjoyed vanilla Oblivion.

That isn't to say that Oblivion didn't have a LOT of issues :P

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#73 bad_fur_day
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[QUOTE="pl4yer_f0und"][QUOTE="dommeus"]

Yeah it was pretty bad.

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Why?

Voice acting, dialogue, main quest, Oblivion gates, level scaling, atmosphere, generic setting, crappy combat, loads of bugs, omniscient guards, back seat final battle, Oblivion gates, copy pasted dungeons, handful of voice actors, pointless celebs, unrewarding exploration, s***ty magic system, levelling up in general, Oblivion gates

You pretty much summed it up there. But you forgot horribly bad animation aswell. Is there anything good about this game?

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#74 gamebreakerz__
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It was still a great game but compared to Morrowind it was average at best.
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#75 JohnF111
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The difficulty really blew it for me, i absolutely hated being able to two-hit everything or just flail my sword blindly until the thing died, it was pathetic and cheap. At least Skyrim has fixed levels and i've died by troll a few times now so yeah i'm happy enough.
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[QUOTE="6matt6"][QUOTE="pl4yer_f0und"][QUOTE="6matt6"]I have never played a elder scrolls game except for oblivion. What I got from the experience was cookie cutter world design with horrible voice acting, a terrible story, silly levelling system and a dull lifeless world.

I honestly don't understand what was so 'good' about it.savagetwinkie

Well, Elder Scroll games aren't for everyone.


See this is my problem with oblivion whenever you bring up gripes with leveling, world design, voice acting, story and all the other problems Oblivion has you always get a cop out response.

All I have heard people who love Oblivion say is 'I like it' 'people only hate it because Leveling/they want to be cool'

I have yet to see anyone stand up for this game and list exactly what it did well. Its always some vague generic praise. Which is funny because thats exactly what the game feels like.


and thats the problem, you don't get it, elderscrolls is not for everyone,

they set it up so you can pretty much do anything, go anywhere, and explore/slaughter to your heart's content, the main story quest is just for fools that aren't good at role playing


I did the side quests first. I always do side quests first in every RPG I play. I explored and did everything I could do.

The game was still completely boring and lifeless. Throughtout this thread people have criticised almost every ascept of the game with legit gripes. Still not one person has come forth with a well reasoned response on why this game is so great. The praise for Oblivion reads like generic praise you get on movie posters.

''BEST FILM EVER 5 STARS''

After 5 years I would like someone to explain what this game does well without resorting to cop out arguments like 'IT HAS A HIGH SCORE ON METACRITIC' or the always frustrating 'YOU JUST DON'T GET IT MAAAAAAAAAAAN!!'

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#77 simomate
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It only gets hate for the level scaling, I don't think anyone would ever consider one of the most influential and popular games this generation to be "bad".

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Thats the only reason I hate it, level scaling. Plus only 3 dungeon tileset, the world was very boring and when you've been in one dungeon, you've been in them all. You didnt have to work for any of your stuff, like as soon as you reached level 25 you can kill one bandit and get a full dradric armour set from it.
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#78 deactivated-61cf0c4baf12e
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I thought the game was beatiful.

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#79 loosingENDS
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Ever since Skyrim was anounced, theres been a lot of hate for Oblivion. Many people were saying that Morrowind is better than Oblivion in almost every way. But how? Oblivion was my first ES game and I loved it, spent hundreds of hours in it doing all the quests finding all the artifacts, and exploring the area. It did have flaws, animations were weak, story was mediocre, stats system was too complex, character models and voice acting were bad, but Morrowind had its flaws too. It's stat system was too complex, the combat was just plain horrible, the UI could have been better, and your character's strength seems to rely too much on your equipment.

I'm not saying that either game is bad, if these minor flaws get in the way, your missing the point in playing ES games. I'm just saying that Oblivion was a great sequel to Morrowind, and that it is not nearly as bad as people make it.

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Morrowind is still way better than both Oblivion and Skyrim imo

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#80 Riverwolf007
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i can see people not liking it if they just played it but wow, by spring 2006 console standards that thing was amazing.

94 metacritic says amateur haters can **** it.

i have plenty of nitpicky gripes my damn self but really it is one of the best games of the entire gen.

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The way the world leveled with you in Oblivion removed the excitement of exploration. However, I think I liked exploring the worlds through portals more than I do finding and fighting dragons. I need more changes of scenery, at least like Morrowind (that had some crazy places). And I hate snow. Blah there is a lot of snow. Skyrim is still fantastic.
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#82 shalashaska88
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[QUOTE="musicalmac"]The way the world leveled with you in Oblivion removed the excitement of exploration. However, I think I liked exploring the worlds through portals more than I do finding and fighting dragons. I need more changes of scenery, at least like Morrowind (that had some crazy places). And I hate snow. Blah there is a lot of snow. Skyrim is still fantastic.

But don't you think the Oblivion gates are a little tedious to go through?
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Sure, level scaling sucked but in 2006, Oblivion was AAA all the way :o, well, at least about 75% through the game but after that, it did get a bit umm, underwhelming to me. :P

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#84 Mozelleple112
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SW doesn't like masterpeices it seems (MGS4, Oblivion, Half Life) damned haters :x :x

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#85 musicalmac  Moderator
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But don't you think the Oblivion gates are a little tedious to go through? shalashaska88
They were tedious, you're right. It was because there were so many of them, and the reward at the end was so meager. Now, if we could have had an epic dragon-battle at the end (which would also clue you to where the end of the gate was), I would have been satisfied. A few less gates would have been nice, yes.
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#86 razgriz_101
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Its not that its a bad game, its just that it had some very cruddy design choices.

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#87 shakmaster13
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Oblivion is awesome. It had it's flaws(the story wasn't good, the level scaling was stupid as hell, the voice acting is laughable at best and cringe-worthy at worst), but it was still a fine game. People just like to give it crap because it wasn't Morrowind 2, just like there were people that gave Morrowind crap for not being Daggerfall 2.

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[QUOTE="shalashaska88"]But don't you think the Oblivion gates are a little tedious to go through? musicalmac
They were tedious, you're right. It was because there were so many of them, and the reward at the end was so meager. Now, if we could have had an epic dragon-battle at the end (which would also clue you to where the end of the gate was), I would have been satisfied. A few less gates would have been nice, yes.

My second time through the game, I deliberately set aside the main storyline until the end of the game. I didn't visit Kvatch at all. I played all the quests with no Oblivion gates, and it was bliss. I loved Oblivion, but the gates were annoying.
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#89 shakmaster13
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[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="shalashaska88"]But don't you think the Oblivion gates are a little tedious to go through? romans828_2002
They were tedious, you're right. It was because there were so many of them, and the reward at the end was so meager. Now, if we could have had an epic dragon-battle at the end (which would also clue you to where the end of the gate was), I would have been satisfied. A few less gates would have been nice, yes.

My second time through the game, I deliberately set aside the main storyline until the end of the game. I didn't visit Kvatch at all. I played all the quests with no Oblivion gates, and it was bliss. I loved Oblivion, but the gates were annoying.

I find that the sidequests in Oblivion such as the mages/thieves/dark brotherhood were all more well done and longer than the ones in Skyrim.
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#90 lightleggy
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it gets boring real fast...there is no actual reward for exploring the world, or entering caves, its frustating...I was not asking for a game that would be easy as hell, but I wasnt asking for a game where every enemy would take about 3 minutes to die regardless of my level or equipment. and the leveling/skill system was extremely dumb...getting one upgrade every 25 level ups of a skill? seriously?
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#91 cain006
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SW doesn't like masterpeices it seems (MGS4, Oblivion, Half Life) damned haters :x :x

Mozelleple112

Assuming you're talking about HL2, how is it a masterpiece? So many things wrong with the game, bad guns, bad story, terrible ai, boring vehicle sections.

As for Oblivion, the level scaling, repetitive dungeons, and awful main quest killed it for me.

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#92 musicalmac  Moderator
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Assuming you're talking about HL2, how is it a masterpiece? So many things wrong with the game, bad guns, bad story, terrible ai, boring vehicle sections.

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While I agree with your point, the fact that you're making it in this Oblivion thread is a little off the beaten path. This is a recipe for disaster. Disaster!!
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#93 cain006
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[QUOTE="cain006"]

Assuming you're talking about HL2, how is it a masterpiece? So many things wrong with the game, bad guns, bad story, terrible ai, boring vehicle sections.

musicalmac

While I agree with your point, the fact that you're making it in this Oblivion thread is a little off the beaten path. This is a recipe for disaster. Disaster!!

Ah I'm sorry I guess that that is pretty off topic :P

Maybe I'll just bash oblivion as well!

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#94 musicalmac  Moderator
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Maybe I'll just bash oblivion as well!

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#95 SaudiFury
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One problem I have is how thin its spread. Its the same issue I had with GTA San Andreas, in that there is a lot to do, but none of it excels. The combat is kinda boring, the dialogue is average, voice acting is recycled heavily, the story is passable and the world just doesn't feel too alive. At the very least, Fallout 3 was WAY better (having more voice actors and a better story), and the dead feeling world makes sense in a post apocalyptic wasteland.

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exactly what this guy said right here. Still for the life of me i can't get through Oblivion, i'll try at some point, but i just get so damn boring. Feels so generic and lifeless. Skyrim for whatever odd reason i do not feel this way at all, they made a lot of really great improvements in getting you immersed in the world.

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#96 glez13
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Oblivion, bad? Nah!

You're confusing it with Morrowind. Oblivion is one of the best games this gen.

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#97 Barbariser
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Yes. Still can't believe how a game like that could get anywhere near an 8 range score, but somehow the reviewers all dumped 9+ scores on it.

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#98 GeoffZak
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Soon people will be saying that Skyrim sucks and that Oblivion is much better.

Just like Super Smash Brothers and Zelda.

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#99 musalala
Member since 2008 • 3131 Posts

Oblivion is one of my fav games this gen spent a loy of hours on it, however it was my first elders game so take with a grain of salt. Apparently compared to morrowind it was an abomination

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#100 demonic_85
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I personally loved Morrowind, but did not really like Oblivion. I found the story to be boring.