We are trying to make Zelda easier to play - Miyamoto

Nintendo is working on a new Legend of Zelda game. And according to Zelda creator Shigeru Miyamoto, the game will be easier to play.

In an interview with German site Gaming Media (via website 1UP), Miyamoto said that Nintendo is "creating a new way to play the game". Continuing, he added, "We are trying to make Zelda, which has become very complicated, easier to play."

As 1UP points out, Zelda producer Eiji Aonuma said in late 2009 that if Nintendo continued to follow the same structure, it might not be able to offer fresh surprises to players. "So we have been trying something new in terms of the structure of the Wii version of the new Zelda game this time," Aonuma said at the time. "I am really hopeful that people will be surprised with the changes we have implemented for this Wii version." [LINK]

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This has me really really worried. Zelda does not need to be easier than it already is. :(

This is not new, they said they are gonna mainstream the franchise aka make it more accessible, in the likes of SMG. If you didn't like SM64 -> SMG, or the controls on Wii TP, you will probably not like this one

They have all been getting progressively easier since Ocarina of Time, so it really wouldn't surprise me if they made it even easier. VALikimlav

This has me really really worried. Zelda does not need to be easier than it already is. :(JLF1

He said the same thing about SMG. How did that turn out?

He said the same thing about NSMBW. How did that turn out?

He said the same thing about Galaxy 2. What is the consensus on that game so far?

Like always, he said easier to "play", not to finish. Intuitive controls and barrier elimination, not grandma-friendly.

I hate this generation.

This is not new, they said they are gonna mainstream the franchise aka make it more accessible, in the likes of SMG. If you didn't like SM64 -> SMG, or the controls on Wii TP, you will probably not like this one

kontejner44

I'm worried that they've turned it into a rail-shooter or something though. It wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Before i wrote my last post, there was only the OP.

Lets just say that the following posts i found after replying are (sadly enough) EXACTLY what i expected.

I'm worried that they've turned it into a rail-shooter or something though. It wouldn't surprise me in the least.

JLF1

*facepalm*

Thats it, i'm taking a break from this damn place.

[QUOTE="kontejner44"]

This is not new, they said they are gonna mainstream the franchise aka make it more accessible, in the likes of SMG. If you didn't like SM64 -> SMG, or the controls on Wii TP, you will probably not like this one

JLF1

I'm worried that they've turned it into a rail-shooter or something though. It wouldn't surprise me in the least.

SM64->SMG;

Linear level design

Less complex interface

Expect something in these lines.

[QUOTE="JLF1"]This has me really really worried. Zelda does not need to be easier than it already is. :(Thunderdrone

He did say "less complicated" which has me really worried though.

Zelda isn't Mario, it needs to be more complicated than your average platformer.

:roll: as if any zelda game was hard to begin with. This is bas news:evil:

We need harder dungeons that are challenging. Zelda this gen has been too easy with dungeons.

Before i wrote my last post, there was only the OP.

Lets just say that the following posts i found after replying are (sadly enough) EXACTLY what i expected.

[QUOTE="JLF1"]I'm worried that they've turned it into a rail-shooter or something though. It wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Thunderdrone

*facepalm*

Thats it, i'm taking a break from this damn place.

[QUOTE="JLF1"]This has me really really worried. Zelda does not need to be easier than it already is. :(Thunderdrone

He said the same thing about SMG. How did that turn out?

He said the same thing about NSMBW. How did that turn out?

He said the same thing about Galaxy 2. What is the consensus on that game so far?

Like always, he said easier to "play", not to finish. Intuitive controls and barrier elimination, not grandma-friendly.

I hate this generation.

SMG was the first proper 3D Mario title since SM64. Zelda is not the same as Mario, at all.

*facepalm*

Thats it, i'm taking a break from this damn place.

Thunderdrone

Hell, it happened to Metroid didn't it.

I really don't see why being worried about one of the best franchises in the industry should be facepalm worthy.

Honestly, basically everything Nintendo has done this generation has me worried about their future games.

The game needs an arrow showing you where to go next :lol: . GG Miyamoto you did it right this time around, and soccer mom's will thank you for your effort.

I don't care if the game is easier as long as they deliver an epic Zelda game. Galaxy was "easier to play" but it was fantastic.Kenny789

eexactly. Complexity has nothing to do with difficulty.

For example, as sales show, 3D SEEMS more complex than 2D games, though at the same time, you can still make uber hard 2D games, and easy 3D ones.

Hell, it happened to Metroid didn't itJLF1

Wasn't PH and TP easy enough for them. I mean we are supposed to be getting a harder Mario game why not Zelda too. Zelda won't appeal to everyone its not called Mario.

[QUOTE="JLF1"]Hell, it happened to Metroid didn't it110million

Sure, it's obviously not a rail-shooter but it's linear as hell.

[QUOTE="Kenny789"]I don't care if the game is easier as long as they deliver an epic Zelda game. Galaxy was "easier to play" but it was fantastic.kontejner44

eexactly. Complexity has nothing to do with difficulty.

For example, as sales show, 3D SEEMS more complex than 2D games, though at the same time, you can still make uber hard 2D games, and easy 3D ones.

They turned Metroid from a game about explorationMP1, MP2 to a Halo clone MP3 and now an even linear game M:OM.

Sure, it's obviously not a rail-shooter but it's linear as hell.

JLF1

Edit: Gamespot would not let me post until I got rid of the [] in your posts, screw you gamespot.

He claims Zelda has become "very complicated". I can think of nothing in Zelda that needs simplification. Rhazakna

You dont? How about streamlining the item management so you dont have to spend time sorting things out in a menu?

The find compass, find key, find dungeon item, find map, use dungeon item, find boss key, kill boss dynamic?

Oh why do i bother? Yes, he is dumbing it down for granny soccer moms with down syndrome, thats what they've been doing with all their main franchises on the Wii.

Also, the diffculty doesn't need to be reduced whatsoever. TP was one of the easiest Zelda's yet.Rhazakna

Okami was easier and more streamlined.

No one complained.

SMG was the first proper 3D Mario title since SM64.

Rhazakna

No, it wasnt.

Sunshine exists regardless of your opinion on it and it was actually very challenging.

I though you hardcores liked dificulty, hmm...

[QUOTE="kontejner44"]

[QUOTE="Kenny789"]I don't care if the game is easier as long as they deliver an epic Zelda game. Galaxy was "easier to play" but it was fantastic.Rhazakna

eexactly. Complexity has nothing to do with difficulty.

For example, as sales show, 3D SEEMS more complex than 2D games, though at the same time, you can still make uber hard 2D games, and easy 3D ones.

Do you even know what complexity means?

Take a look at the interface of SMG and compare it with SM64. It's much more accessible and easy to get into. Most likely they will change the item system, because it's too complex to have a list with 50 items to choose from in TP, that was a mess. These kinds of things

So yeah, maybe there will be items specific for a dungeon or something, that you only use there, basically how 80% of the items in TP was :P Just like Yoshi / Fire flower can only be obtained in certain levels designed specifically for them.

They turned Metroid from a game about exploration[MP1, MP2] to a Halo clone MP3 and now an even linear game M:OM.

Sure, it's obviously not a rail-shooter but it's linear as hell.

JLF1

MP3 is a Halo clone? And Metroid Other M is now a "linear as hell" game? Did you pull this amazing info from your magic crystal ball, or are you just making stuff up?

The game needs an arrow showing you where to go next :lol: . silversix_

Easier to play as in easier difficulty or more tightly knitted controls?

I'm pretty damn confused right now.

Wow guys, easier to play =/= easier difficulty. Zelda definitely needs to be easier to play in some aspects. The very boring, beginning of Zelda: TP is a good example of this. Silenthps

The beginning is a perfect learning curve, that's why they're there, learn how to fish, how to move around etc.

I don't care, just give me a console sequel to Wind Waker.AAllxxjjnn

Note that 'easier to play' and 'easier' don't have to be the same thing. It could just refer to easier, more accessible control, with the gameplay itself maintaining a certain degree of challenge.

The comment about the different structure pleases me, as it has gone virtually unchanged since A Link to the Past.

They have all been getting progressively easier since Ocarina of Time, so it really wouldn't surprise me if they made it even easier. VALikimlav

Nearly everyone would agree that Majora's Mask was way harder than Ocarina of Time.

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"]

You dont? How about streamlining the item management so you dont have to spend time sorting things out in a menu?

The find compass, find key, find dungeon item, find map, use dungeon item, find boss key, kill boss dinamic?

Oh why do i bother? Yes, he is dumbing it down for granny soccer moms with down syndrome, thats what they've been doing with all their main franchises on the Wii.

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"] Also, the diffculty doesn't need to be reduced whatsoever. TP was one of the easiest Zelda's yet.Thunderdrone

Okami was easier and more streamlined.

No one complained.

SMG was the first proper 3D Mario title since SM64.

Rhazakna

No, it wasnt.

Sunshine exists regardless of your opinion on it and it was actually very challenging.

I though you hardcores liked dificulty, hmm...

They turned Metroid from a game about exploration (MP1, MP2) to a Halo clone (MP3) and now an even linear game (M:OM).Sure, it's obviously not a rail-shooter but it's linear as hell.JLF1

MP3 only followed Halo in terms of presentation. Apart from the opening stages, the gameplay was similar to the first two games.

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"][QUOTE="kontejner44"]

eexactly. Complexity has nothing to do with difficulty.

For example, as sales show, 3D SEEMS more complex than 2D games, though at the same time, you can still make uber hard 2D games, and easy 3D ones.

kontejner44

Do you even know what complexity means?

Take a look at the interface of SMG and compare it with SM64. It's much more accessible and easy to get into. Most likely they will change the item system, because it's too complex to have a list with 50 items to choose from in TP, that was a mess. These kinds of things

So yeah, maybe there will be items specific for a dungeon or something, that you only use there, basically how 80% of the items in TP was :P Just like Yoshi / Fire flower can only be obtained in certain levels designed specifically for them.

Nintendo can't win. When they change it up everyone screams that the old was the way to go. When they do a game like TP which took a lot from Oot people scream for new stuff. And even though they can screw up Zelda I have a hard time believing they have until I know more about the game AKA wait for E3 to complain ekalbtwin

MP3 is a Halo clone? And Metroid Other M is now a "linear as hell" game? Did you pull this amazing info from your magic crystal ball, or are you just making stuff up?

Thunderdrone

I don't need a crystal ball to play MP3, I have it in my house. The game is more of a Halo FPS than a Metroid Prime 1 or 2 game that's for sure.

No, I don't know if MOM is as linear in the entire game but that's what we have seen so far. Am I simply speculating, Drawing premature conclusions and even looking at other franchises to try and get a view of the future? Yes I am. You did they same thing though when you claimed that they are only the same thing with Zelda as they did with SMG and NSMBW.

Hey guys, in Mario 64 you could kick by pressing a button, in Galaxy he auto-kicks when the enemy is down. Also, unlike M64, you cant operate the camera WTF?

Shameless hand-holding for the casuals, thats what it is. SM64>>>>>>>>>Galaxy

[QUOTE="kontejner44"]

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"] But there's nothing about Zelda that's too complicated. As I said before, Super Mario Galaxy was the real successor to Super Mario 64, two whole generations after SM64 came out. There was a need to what was done to SMG. If anything Zelda needs to be made more complex, with 1-1 sword fighting with the Wii Motion Plus. Rhazakna

Do you even know what complexity means?

Take a look at the interface of SMG and compare it with SM64. It's much more accessible and easy to get into. Most likely they will change the item system, because it's too complex to have a list with 50 items to choose from in TP, that was a mess. These kinds of things

So yeah, maybe there will be items specific for a dungeon or something, that you only use there, basically how 80% of the items in TP was :P Just like Yoshi / Fire flower can only be obtained in certain levels designed specifically for them.

It's more in terms of structure, we can safetly assume it's gonna be abit more linear, like SMG was compared to SM64. TBH I loved that linear-ish pathway in Dungeon 2 where you had to shoot the goblins or exploding crates with the bow making it feel like an event, and the hidden area where you searched for cats xD

Basically like PH and ST was, but without train / boat, but definitely the areas should feel like levels as in DS Zeldas, I'd be on board for that

Hey guys, in Mario 64 you could kick by pressing a button, in Galaxy he auto-kicks when the enemy is down. Also, unlike M64, you cant operate the camera WTF?

Shameless hand-holding for the casuals, thats what it is. SM64>>>>>>>>>Galaxy

Thunderdrone

Hey guys, in Mario 64 you could kick by pressing a button, in Galaxy he auto-kicks when the enemy is down. Also, unlike M64, you cant operate the camera WTF?

Shameless hand-holding for the casuals, thats what it is. SM64>>>>>>>>>Galaxy

Thunderdrone

Hey guys, in Mario 64 you could kick by pressing a button, in Galaxy he auto-kicks when the enemy is down. Also, unlike M64, you cant operate the camera WTF?

Shameless hand-holding for the casuals, thats what it is. SM64>>>>>>>>>Galaxy

Thunderdrone

Less freedom is win :P

I want the developer to direct me, not free roam

I know that you aren't serious but I actually agree that M64 is better than SMG.

JLF1

Hey guys, in Mario 64 you could kick by pressing a button, in Galaxy he auto-kicks when the enemy is down. Also, unlike M64, you cant operate the camera WTF?

Shameless hand-holding for the casuals, thats what it is. SM64>>>>>>>>>Galaxy

Thunderdrone

[QUOTE="Thunderdrone"]

Hey guys, in Mario 64 you could kick by pressing a button, in Galaxy he auto-kicks when the enemy is down. Also, unlike M64, you cant operate the camera WTF?

Shameless hand-holding for the casuals, thats what it is. SM64>>>>>>>>>Galaxy

locopatho

Actually the last part is true, but knowing Nintendo I think.. the majority... can be safe

This seems like a pretty feeble attempt at trying to prove a point Thunderdrone, especially over such minute aspect such as how Mario kicks an enemy.

There are some legitimate criticisms that have been brought up, like how Metroid Other M seems far more action oriented.