We Have A New Graphics King(Shogun 2: Total War)

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#101 lamprey263
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looks good, but looks like I'd need a good gaming PC to play it, mines just good enough to play Machinarium and some older games from GOG, but that's about it
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#102 Arach666
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Can´t wait for it!

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#103 stiggy321
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a total war game based on WW1 would be cooler IMO

swords and arrows are boring to me.

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They'll probably have cannons. And what are you guys talking about? What happened to all your 400 dollar computers that "max out" every game at 40 fps average at 1600 x 1000...P? Game looks interesting. I miss metal marines though.
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What happened to all your 400 dollar computers that "max out" every game at 40 fps average at 1600 x 1000...P?stiggy321
That's for games amde with 2005 level of hardware in mind (ie..multiplats). Shogun is the game that will make use of best modern PC hardware, it looks a whole generation ahead of current consoles and that will require some serious horsepower.

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#105 wolverine4262
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yeah, its definitely impressive. But, I think when looking at PC games, its important to see how optimized it is.
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#106 Postal_Guy
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Day 1 buy confirmed. was doubting at first but not anymore.

just hope they optimize a bit better then they did with Empire

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#107 Seabas989
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Looks amazing. If only my PC can run it but I guess it's time to save money and upgrade.

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#108 stiggy321
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[QUOTE="stiggy321"]What happened to all your 400 dollar computers that "max out" every game at 40 fps average at 1600 x 1000...P?AdrianWerner

That's for games amde with 2005 level of hardware in mind (ie..multiplats). Shogun is the game that will make use of best modern PC hardware, it looks a whole generation ahead of current consoles and that will require some serious horsepower.

Every "PC gaming is cheap" thread has 30 posts about how a 500 dollar PC runs Shattered Horizon at 90 FPS... or Crysis "maxed" at 30FPS at 1920x1200. I don't think they're talking about Call of Duty 3 or Street Fighter 4.
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#109 lundy86_4
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[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="stiggy321"]What happened to all your 400 dollar computers that "max out" every game at 40 fps average at 1600 x 1000...P?stiggy321

That's for games amde with 2005 level of hardware in mind (ie..multiplats). Shogun is the game that will make use of best modern PC hardware, it looks a whole generation ahead of current consoles and that will require some serious horsepower.

Every "PC gaming is cheap" thread has 30 posts about how a 500 dollar PC runs Shattered Horizon at 90 FPS... or Crysis "maxed" at 30FPS at 1920x1200. I don't think they're talking about Call of Duty 3 or Street Fighter 4.

I think your uing hyperbole quite liberally in this instance. Whilst yes, it's stated that they can run a game at pretty much max (which a $600 PC can do for games like Crysis -- run V.High at reasonable resolutions) it's generally accepted that the same machine won't run games intensive games being released within the next few years. The Total War series is hugely CPU intensive with so much going on on-screen, and takes quite a powerful rig to run (understandably).

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#110 AdrianWerner
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[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="stiggy321"]What happened to all your 400 dollar computers that "max out" every game at 40 fps average at 1600 x 1000...P?stiggy321

That's for games amde with 2005 level of hardware in mind (ie..multiplats). Shogun is the game that will make use of best modern PC hardware, it looks a whole generation ahead of current consoles and that will require some serious horsepower.

Every "PC gaming is cheap" thread has 30 posts about how a 500 dollar PC runs Shattered Horizon at 90 FPS... or Crysis "maxed" at 30FPS at 1920x1200. I don't think they're talking about Call of Duty 3 or Street Fighter 4.

Crysis is also old game though. I know it's currently viewed as graphics king, but it is 2007 game, Shogun is 4 years more advanced than that, so it will obviously require stronger hardware.

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#111 Hakkai007
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Don't bother with stiggy he is just trolling.

This game looks awesome, day one buy for me.

I am not into RTS much but I like the setting.

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#112 daveg1
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i dont see it..wasnt even real time anyway..
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#113 therancors
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i dont see it..wasnt even real time anyway..daveg1
Not real time?
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#114 killab2oo5
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Eh, I'm not blown away like so many others...Looks like Total War with more color.
Unless I OC the pants off mine. I'm going to need a quad.clyde46
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#115 mirgamer
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[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="stiggy321"]What happened to all your 400 dollar computers that "max out" every game at 40 fps average at 1600 x 1000...P?stiggy321

That's for games amde with 2005 level of hardware in mind (ie..multiplats). Shogun is the game that will make use of best modern PC hardware, it looks a whole generation ahead of current consoles and that will require some serious horsepower.

Every "PC gaming is cheap" thread has 30 posts about how a 500 dollar PC runs Shattered Horizon at 90 FPS... or Crysis "maxed" at 30FPS at 1920x1200. I don't think they're talking about Call of Duty 3 or Street Fighter 4.

You are definitely making this up.
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#116 Kane04
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[QUOTE="mirgamer"]
Every "PC gaming is cheap" thread has 30 posts about how a 500 dollar PC runs Shattered Horizon at 90 FPS... or Crysis "maxed" at 30FPS at 1920x1200. I don't think they're talking about Call of Duty 3 or Street Fighter 4.stiggy321
You are definitely making this up.

i think at best he means 200gb hdd ram cpu and gpu, nothing else for 500 either that or i live in a really bad corner of the earth... anyway, idk why people cry happy tears with graphics king, imo for example Fable 3 is better looking than Gears 3 ":O blasphemy" u say, allow me to explain... if i had a eye-candy-meter it would go higher on Fable 3, why? art direction, i mean technically sure Gears > Fable, but thats not all that matters imo, and when you are running around playing and fighting that tech difference in the graphics is not that much noticeable comparing to art-wise noticeability in the same conditions no one plays screen shots, there those really matter, while playing really not so much imo having that said that games looks amazing and like what happen to Crysis i bet there's not a rig yet that can run that maxed out with a steady frame rate
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#117 Elian2530
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

something tells me it won't look quite that good upon final release.

Ravensmash
I thought that.

I didn't think it looked good at all. I've seen so many games that look better on PC and consoles. What's the fuss about that video? Nothing about it impressed me. But the game on the other hand is a mighty fine one. I could care less about the graphics aspect of it.
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#118 ShimmerMan
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that is obviously not all gameplay. You can tell by the fluidity of the animations when the battle starts.

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#119 mirgamer
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[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

something tells me it won't look quite that good upon final release.

Elian2530
I thought that.

I didn't think it looked good at all. I've seen so many games that look better on PC and consoles. What's the fuss about that video? Nothing about it impressed me. But the game on the other hand is a mighty fine one. I could care less about the graphics aspect of it.

I think its more of the fact that everyone knows that Total War games are HUGE. Battles easily reached into the thousands. Shogun 2 offers up to 56 000 units in a single battle so if its able to sport that kind of graphics, i think its understandable why its kind of a big deal. Obviously its also going to require a beast of a machine to run at max settings so thats another reason some PC gamers are happy. It looks that good enough to pass off as a non-RTS game. No RTS game sport this kind of graphics at the scope Shogun 2 is gunning for so far as yet.
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#120 thespywholied
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Holy... ****...

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#121 AdrianWerner
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What's the fuss about that video? t.Elian2530
It's by far the most impressive graphics ever shown in videogame. It makes Crysis look outdated and current consoles look like Wii titles (ie..last gen) compared to it. That's what the fuss is about.

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#122 AdrianWerner
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that is obviously not all gameplay. You can tell by the fluidity of the animations when the battle starts.

ShimmerMan

Napoleon already was close to that fluidity of animation. THis is all gameplay

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#123 Lonelynight
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I still kinda which they had set the new game in China.. oh well, there will probably be a mod for it in the future.
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#124 Wasdie  Moderator
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I still kinda which they had set the new game in China.. oh well, there will probably be a mod for it in the future.Lonelynight

They will probably hit up China or WWI next.

Personally I would like to see both.

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#125 PAL360
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It´s impressive how it looks a good at a distance as it looks up close:

I love RTSs and this game looks absolutelly brilliant. Unfortunatly i dont have a PC powerfull enough for this :?

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#127 AdrianWerner
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[QUOTE="Lonelynight"]I still kinda which they had set the new game in China.. oh well, there will probably be a mod for it in the future.Wasdie

They will probably hit up China or WWI next.

Personally I would like to see both.

I think China unfortunatelly doesn't have the mass appeal for a TW game. I hope they at least might consider making a standalone add-on to Shogun set in CHina, Napoleon:TW-like.

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#128 Espada12
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[QUOTE="Lonelynight"]I still kinda which they had set the new game in China.. oh well, there will probably be a mod for it in the future.Wasdie

They will probably hit up China or WWI next.

Personally I would like to see both.

I'd rather not see WWI..... trench warfare... no thanks, no thanks. They should go and make something futuristic :P

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#129 Lonelynight
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They will probably hit up China or WWI next.Personally I would like to see both.Wasdie
China set in WW1?
I think China unfortunatelly doesn't have the mass appeal for a TW game. I hope they at least might consider making a standalone add-on to Shogun set in CHina, Napoleon:TW-like.AdrianWerner
The Three Kingdoms period seems to be pretty well known, even outside Asia(thanks to the game Konami made) But I personally would rather see a period set during the invasion of the Song dynasty by the Jin till the rise of the Yuan dynasty(Mongol invasion)
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#130 XaosII
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I'd like to a see an ahistorical hybrid between Civ and Total War. Something where you dont pick a faction, but instead create one over time. Focusing on cavalry and arches gets you the kinds of units the Mongols would have had. Heavy use of infantry will give you the equivalent of Roman legionaires. Preferably something without the traditional "research this for x turns and get y technology!"Where an ability, weapon, or tactic gets unlocked due to successful (and sometimes not always successful) use of those things. So i'll have to effectively use cavalry alot to get the best.

I'd really also like for it to include the kind of unit customization in Galactic Civs/Elemental. Where i can build my own units based on the weapons, tactics, and techniques ive unlocked.

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#131 Riverwolf007
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Shogun 2: Total War

Death by unbelievable, amazing, horrifying, awesomeness.

Graphics King. Seriously. Graphics King.

Detailing on those units is beyond amazing.

It competes with other games zoomed in all the way... This game is an Strategy Game with thousands of units... Graphics King

KingsMessenger

a pc game has a gfx king? stop the presses! i mean seriously, it's a pc title, why do i even have to look at the link???

see, this is exactly the kind of thing i rail on about when pc is allowed in sw.

it's like a professional football player seeing a bunch of kids playing pee-wee football from the open window of his limo and being so insecure that he has to jump out and try to play with them and show them up.

if it's not even a contest for one out of the four systems examined in sw what the hell is the point in bringing it up???

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#132 lundy86_4
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a pc game has a gfx king? stop the presses! i mean seriously, it's a pc title, why do i even have to look at the link???

see, this is exactly the kind of thing i rail on about when pc is allowed in sw.

it's like a professional football player seeing a bunch of kids playing pee-wee football from the open window of his limo and being so insecure that he has to jump out and try to play with them and show them up.

if it's not even a contest for one out of the four systems examined in sw what the hell is the point in bringing it up???

Riverwolf007

It's a legitimate part of System Wars, as determied by the almighty who run this board... Why not bring it up?

Anyways, there is more to compare than just graphics, so preference is gonna play a huge part in discussions.

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#133 CentricStorm
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Not Crysis standard.
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#134 siddhu33
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Not Crysis standard.CentricStorm

Crysis doesn't have battles with 10,000 troops.

Take that into consideration, and Shogun 2 is a contender.

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#135 clyde46
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[QUOTE="KingsMessenger"]

Shogun 2: Total War

Death by unbelievable, amazing, horrifying, awesomeness.

Graphics King. Seriously. Graphics King.

Detailing on those units is beyond amazing.

It competes with other games zoomed in all the way... This game is an Strategy Game with thousands of units... Graphics King

Riverwolf007

a pc game has a gfx king? stop the presses! i mean seriously, it's a pc title, why do i even have to look at the link???

see, this is exactly the kind of thing i rail on about when pc is allowed in sw.

it's like a professional football player seeing a bunch of kids playing pee-wee football from the open window of his limo and being so insecure that he has to jump out and try to play with them and show them up.

if it's not even a contest for one out of the four systems examined in sw what the hell is the point in bringing it up???

Read the sticky >.>
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#136 clyde46
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I just remembered, I have a new GPU and I have Empire. What am I doing here :o

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#137 Riverwolf007
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[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

a pc game has a gfx king? stop the presses! i mean seriously, it's a pc title, why do i even have to look at the link???

see, this is exactly the kind of thing i rail on about when pc is allowed in sw.

it's like a professional football player seeing a bunch of kids playing pee-wee football from the open window of his limo and being so insecure that he has to jump out and try to play with them and show them up.

if it's not even a contest for one out of the four systems examined in sw what the hell is the point in bringing it up???

lundy86_4

It's a legitimate part of System Wars, as determied by the almighty who run this board... Why not bring it up?

Anyways, there is more to compare than just graphics, so preference is gonna play a huge part in discussions.

yeah i know it's legit, it's the rules and it's so the pc guys don't get left out and everything is fair and blah blah blah.

it's just silly. maybe the silliest thing in sw tbo. (and is that an achievement unlocked or what? :P)

it's not a slight against pc or pc guys, nobody loves pc as much around here as i do, it just strikes me as odd to have a discussion forum which has one answer for every topic.

pc is better.

does that make any sense to anyone???....... meh sorry guys, it's really not important i'll try to leave it alone.

just tough to do it.

pc is like the itchy scab on SW. i just have to pick at it cuz it annoys me.

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#138 mirgamer
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

a pc game has a gfx king? stop the presses! i mean seriously, it's a pc title, why do i even have to look at the link???

see, this is exactly the kind of thing i rail on about when pc is allowed in sw.

it's like a professional football player seeing a bunch of kids playing pee-wee football from the open window of his limo and being so insecure that he has to jump out and try to play with them and show them up.

if it's not even a contest for one out of the four systems examined in sw what the hell is the point in bringing it up???

Riverwolf007

It's a legitimate part of System Wars, as determied by the almighty who run this board... Why not bring it up?

Anyways, there is more to compare than just graphics, so preference is gonna play a huge part in discussions.

yeah i know it's legit, it's the rules and it's so the pc guys don't get left out and everything is fair and blah blah blah.

it's just silly. maybe the silliest thing in sw tbo. (and is that an achievement unlocked or what? :P)

it's not a slight against pc or pc guys, nobody loves pc as much around here as i do, it just strikes me as odd to have a discussion forum which has one answer for every topic.

pc is better.

does that make any sense to anyone???....... meh sorry guys, it's really not important i'll try to leave it alone.

just tough to do it.

pc is like the itchy scab on SW. i just have to pick at it cuz it annoys me.

I think you should be a lil bit less insecure.
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#139 Riverwolf007
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[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

It's a legitimate part of System Wars, as determied by the almighty who run this board... Why not bring it up?

Anyways, there is more to compare than just graphics, so preference is gonna play a huge part in discussions.

mirgamer

yeah i know it's legit, it's the rules and it's so the pc guys don't get left out and everything is fair and blah blah blah.

it's just silly. maybe the silliest thing in sw tbo. (and is that an achievement unlocked or what? :P)

it's not a slight against pc or pc guys, nobody loves pc as much around here as i do, it just strikes me as odd to have a discussion forum which has one answer for every topic.

pc is better.

does that make any sense to anyone???....... meh sorry guys, it's really not important i'll try to leave it alone.

just tough to do it.

pc is like the itchy scab on SW. i just have to pick at it cuz it annoys me.

I think you should be a lil bit less insecure.

if that is true then what is the insecurity about? i like pc. i also like console. consoles are comparable to each other, pc is in another league atogether.

like i said i will try to leave it alone but it's tough.

if i was on a bicycle site and some dude blew in and said motorcycles are better i would say , well no duh.

i swear i'm not tring to get on yours or the mods nerves but "it's the rule" is just not good enough.

oh well no biggie. just something i find curious.

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#140 aroxx_ab
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[QUOTE="CentricStorm"]Not Crysis standard.siddhu33

Crysis doesn't have battles with 10,000 troops.

Take that into consideration, and Shogun 2 is a contender.

So this is Extreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeme 10,0000 troooooooooops

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#141 AdjacentLives
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What are you people talking about ? That wasn't a gameplay video, so were are all of you getting the assumption the actual game will look like that ?

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#142 Espada12
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What are you people talking about ? That wasn't a gameplay video, so were are all of you getting the assumption the actual game will look like that ?

AdjacentLives

It was...

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#144 WhenCicadasCry
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-Kneels on one knee- I welcome our new king. :o Until Crysis 2 arrives. :P

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#145 strangeisland
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Just replace tree's with people

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#146 WhenCicadasCry
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[QUOTE="KingsMessenger"]

Shogun 2: Total War

Death by unbelievable, amazing, horrifying, awesomeness.

Graphics King. Seriously. Graphics King.

Detailing on those units is beyond amazing.

It competes with other games zoomed in all the way... This game is an Strategy Game with thousands of units... Graphics King

gundaicut

Dude ur retarded thats the cut scene graphics u must be retarded the game looks like crap compared to the cut scenes

No, that's how the game looks. I know, it's amazing. ;) The PC does have more then just Crysis you know.

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#147 clyde46
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Just replace tree's with people

strangeisland

Now make them move :P Also, whats the console command to get the details in the top right?

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#148 WhenCicadasCry
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Just replace tree's with people

strangeisland

:P

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#149 AdrianWerner
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Not Crysis standard.CentricStorm
Indeed, it's far beyond anything Crysis has shown.

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#150 WhenCicadasCry
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Now make them move :P Also, whats the console command to get the details in the top right?

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You have to enable Devmode first though.