What are your thoughts on Nintendo officially leaving the Home Console market?

You forgot one thing. Nintendo still considers the Switch as mainly a stationary console, not portable device.

But for the question: im completely indifferent about the matter. I left Nintendo in 2015. Im done with them after several disappointments time after time after time for every console they release.

It is either outdated in power or visuals. With the Wii U (NATO Reporting Name: F*ck U) i felt like i stepped back to the early 2000s when i had to fiddle with all the connections and wires.

Im not willing to use my economy on them anymore

I dismiss it as a gimmick because of its size and the non-reality based situations they used to advertise it in their video. Nobody does that crap and the portability of this device entirely comes into question as you will need some kind of a bag to carry it around.

Also it will have none of the perks of being a tablet, this is not a computer...

that game is definitely multiplatform

I doubt it will hit that mark. I dont think the wii hit that mark even

Erm... You can't play Vita on your Tv without some serious workarounds... Your comparison is stupidly flawed.

I said it before, and i'll say it again... This is exactly what I wanted from Nintendo. Furthermore, it's hard to leave the home console market, when the thing acts like a home console as well as a handheld. You need to take a break.

Haha luckily I've got a brand new pair that should be perfect.

Eh, I still think it would be silly not to include one. Games that use a touchscreen are mobile focused style games anyway so playing them in console mode just sounds awkward.

The Wii died awhile ago, its sales literally haven't moved in years.

Oh cmon, what are you smoking?

a near 7' tablet (which are pretty standard.).

What can't it do that another tablet can? go on...

and basing it on an advert is again stupid.

@dynamitecop said:

@MBirdy88 said:

@brah4ever said:

@MBirdy88 said:

@dynamitecop said:

The PlayStation 2 was on the market for 13 years, discounted to $50 in the ending years and extremely popular in the third world where money is tight and it's all that could be afforded...

exactly.. circumstances.

Got an excuse for the Wii as well?

The Wii pretty much brought games into the hands of people who thought games were for kids/nerds.

Made gaming much more socially acceptable to the general public, it was plastered all over the media. You had various outlets like CNN and BBC showing soccer moms, grandparents, etc. using it.

It became more than just only nerds or little kids play games and instead people (talking in first person) "just like myself" play games too? Woah, ima get me one, hence the Wii craze in around 2006-2007.

These very same people eventually became mobile gamers (phones/tablets) or moved onto PS360 hence why every console last gen sold over 80 million units, this has never happened before.

Right, and now there is a Handheld/Home console device in one that incorporates what people find attractive about a tablet and a home gaming console in one, and you dismiss that as a gimmick? why? because the only thing a PS4/Xbox can do over it is better graphics... something that is starting to prove to be less impactful over things like price and software... because of diminishing returns.. and the lack of risk taking in the AAA market.. to the point where we have 2 companies that have nothing to brag about over eachother except expensive console upgrades that follow that same trend.

Will probably completely replace the PSVita for its niche Japanese focused market, combined with nintendo's excellent first party.... anyone who likes japanese stuff will appreciate this device even if it doesn't match PS4... ironically pretty dead on the Japanese front.

If this was running Nintendo's old .. trashy OS/eco system (again another major downside for them) then I would agree with you more. but this is Nvidia/Android TV 2.0 with an up to date Nvidia GPU (GTX mobile range) , the Tegra X1 surpassed PS3/Xbox360 graphics in 2015 quite nicely... whatever this new one is, if it even reaches Xbox One or close.. is more than enough for this device.

All-in-one device... built on already well established services.... you underestimate the potential, you could be right, you could be wrong. but your narrow minded view of the situation based on the Wii U is just wrong.

I dismiss it as a gimmick because of its size and the non-reality based situations they used to advertise it in their video. Nobody does that crap and the portability of this device entirely comes into question as you will need some kind of a bag to carry it around.

Also it will have none of the perks of being a tablet, this is not a computer...

It will easily pass that mark. Its gonna break 3DS's record in year 1.

Language tweak bolded. :)

@brah4ever I agree with you, I do consider this a handheld first and foremost. HOWEVER, it could be considered a home console if the docking station gives it any more juice. Laura Dale is reporting that this might be the case:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1297753&highlight=emily+rogers

If this is true, then it truly is a hybrid and can be considered both a handheld and a home console.

Also, the battery life, if it is short, then I'd consider this a home console first, handheld second.

Is that so? OP makes it sound like it's plug n play while hooking up the Vita to a TV. I've never owned one so I wouldn't know.

You are not wrong, I wouldn't dispute it being a handheld first. but its intended to be used as both.... you know, because they are the one company that actually give a s*it about local gameplay on a big screen. So, while I don't disagree the main device is obviously hand held, it functions in exactly the same way a console does.

Which, in the long term, could make a stationary console far less appealing to people.

Still waiting for ANY pro-console-only crowd Pro's of a console except graphics... showing really what they look for in this devices.

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/the-nintendo-switch-dock-is-not-the-main-console/1100-6444680/

The reason why I see Nintendo making the dock just a charging and link up unit to the TV is to avoid conficts. What if a game can only run while docked and can't work on the go. Defeats the concept of The Switch.

Nintendo is not that kind of company, they don't think conduct business the way Sony/MS do.

I'm not going to sit here and list the literal hundreds of thousands to millions of things it cannot do that a Windows tablet can, a fucking computer... It's a game system and it's going to be accompanied by Nintendo's as always minimalist OS, you will have internet, that's about it.

It's not a tablet, it's a tablet form factor with none of the benefits of an actual computer which is reason to actually bring a tablet with you, it's a computer, it's useful for everyday life and work, and it can play video games so it's tolerable to lug around.

Basing it on the adverts shows entirely how worthless it is as a mobile system, no one is going to use it in those idiotic situations which leaves very little other situations to actually use it out and about. As I and other have said, its mobile capabilities are relative to long periods of travel, that's about it.

It's a 2017 Virtual Boy in terms of portability, and given its size, reality that you will need some kind of bag to transport it, and the other reality that it has no extended capabilities, it's near worthless as a mobile system, it's a gimmick.

This.

If one could take a MS Surface or an Ipad vs a Switch, I wonder which one they"ll go with.

One that is basically a computer or one that is a dedicated gaming machine.

Hmmm.....

We are talking casual gamers, not hardcore ones. The casuals of which drove the Wii to a 100 million sales.

In the article: "This is not confirmed however". The can only infer it, they didn't completely confirm that the dock doesn't give a small boost. They just said the main processing is in the handheld. Main being the key word.

Regarding your conflict concern, many games on PC have graphics settings. Switch could be similar. One simple method is to down-res the game.

I don't think that would happen in the long term.

With regards to your last statement; which read strange, power matters when it comes to third party support. The system needs to be onpar with the PS4 and Xbox One to facilitate multiplatform games. Based on the size and the price constraint, I expect the system to be around the performance of the WiiU.

They are attempting to recover (again) from mistakes they made 20 years ago that lost them 3rd party games, and has continued since. It's a good idea too. Focus on one dedicated platform than having to worry about 2.

It should result in a good amount of sales and 1st party content, which should lead to 3rd parties sticking around, although I'm not sure 3rd party exclusives will ever be a thing again with PC sales being the way they are- unless Nintendo funds the games themselves.

If they can go on a run of a solid gen or two with this format they might try to go back to 2 platforms if all the 3rd parties are still on board

Not even a little bit plug-and-play. It would kind of make the whole of the PSTV idea redundant, yet they released one anyway.

I think we're just getting over our heads into semantics here. It's a home console and a handheld. A unification of systems like that is going to have detractors on both ends... It's whether the overall concept is better because of it, or worse. I'm hoping it's good, and it's what I wanted to see. Then again, it's Nintendo... So it's up in the air.

First of all, the sales would have to be there for devs to code specific versions for each unit (stock dock, high end dock, and the switch itself).

Hell, devs aren't happy about having to do even more work for Pro and Scorpio versions and their games at least sell on those platforms.

What makes you think they'd have any interest working on Nintendo ports, especially when the sales have been shown to not be there.

The Wii U had 3rd parties on board but once the sales weren't there, support vanished and devs did not want to be bothered.

Yeah, just like that thread from shadysheep made dreaming about a 10flop module for the Switch.

I've seldom read such a hyperbolic laden post here on SW.

You're projecting when you claim people wont use it in the situations shown during the reveal. What you would do is not what others would do. The possibility of local multiplayer anywhere I go sounds pretty damn awesome to me. Yeah, you'll need a bag to carry it around--just like a tablet-- something many people already seem perfectly fine doing. And of course it's a gimmick. Not sure why you threw that in there as if it's a negative.

So according to sheep, the PSP, Smartphones and Tablets are all stationary consoles and/or hybrids? Lol

Nintendo did not leave the home console market. If it did, where is the official announcement?

What you just said has no bearing on the matter. I'm just saying, if there is juice in the dock, then it's both. And there is already a rumor stating so. I'm not here to debate the probability of it actually happening. That's just pointless to me.

People like you can't be convinced because you're too rooted in illogicality. Local multiplayer on a 6.3" screen? Really, that screen is smaller than the typical size of an entire smart phone... Not to mention what person would actually want to do that, it's very much a shareplay level gimmick that people try out because it's new and then stop doing it completely... Not to mention I'm pretty sure we're all adults, and I can't even see kids getting into this unless very young.

You put up with carrying around a tablet in a bag because it's an actual computer that is like I've reiterated 50 times already, useful to your everyday life and work if need be. Also a gimmick is inherently negative, because it advertises product specifics and features that in the real world and everyday life don't fit or have practical application...

Get ready for teh future!!!

Nintendo is doing what they feel will work for them. The 3ds sold 60million despite being in a smart phone/tablet market.

@immortaldreamcastmasterrace: Also many parents didnt like 3DS cause they thought 3D was bad for kids eyes.

Nothing about the word gimmick says it's always a negative. Arguing whether the Switch's gimmick is worth while is another thing.

Yeah the screen being so small is a bitch but does that override it's convenience? I'm not sure it does. And what would you have them do, make a 10'' monster? I can see myself using this while in a line that I know will take a long time or while on an airplane. Would you really refuse to play on the Switch in a similar situation just because the screen is too small? I think it's a fair trade off to put up with a small screen in favor of boredom/not playing local multiplayer.

Personally I can easily see people carrying around the Switch just as many did with the Vita and with the 3DS even in addition to their tablets. It's not all that large and I can see many gamers prioritizing their gaming needs.

what the hell does a windows PC have anything to do with friggin gaming?????

Why are you not holding PS4/Xbone to that standard?

You are being a massive hypocrit.

Tegra X1 can beat a PS3. Tegra X2 or whatever this new one will be called will be better.

Multiplatforms can scale, that was NEVER a massive issue. It was the audience that made multiplatforming selling on the Wii U difficult.

It is potentially bad for kid's eyes.

I will allow for time to validate my point.

I'm a huge nintendo fan, but they just need to go third party already.

You'r both way off base here. and lying to yourselves.

Majority use for tablets is entertainment consumption, yes, you have watered down versions of word etc, you can transfer files, keep them, read and open... you could technically do that on a friggin console, but its not the primary use. Dynamite Cop is reach so far into the closet hes in narnia. A Surface Tablet costs alot more, and does not even have a dedicated GPU, it's using Intel's intergrated... pales in comparison to Tegra/Nvidia's customer solutions... its not even in the same league, sure the processor itself is better.

But specs aside, a surface is a tablet/ultrabook hybrid and it serves that purpose well.

Meanwhile IPads/Android tablets like the 7' nexus CAN use basic office apps and run a keyboard, they are not mainly used for that, you are lying to yourselves to say otherwise.

Switch, based on its SHIELD OS/branding, will have access to all the common entertainment/consumption apps that a regular tablet and home consoles have. with touch screen no doubt. you are grasping, making up S*it little technicalities and just flat out dodging the bottom line.

bringing Window's 64/32 bit OS tablet devices into this (which cost a ridiculous ammount, a proper top end surface that won't even match the latest TEGRA in gaming will set you back £700 if you want a surface..... and won't have nintendo games.... so it'l be a bog s*it standard laptop for controller on steam games.... unless you want to carry a mouse around etc as well.

grasping, absolutely grasping.

All your arguments are massive double standards "why would people by a tablet branded by nintendo when they can buy an ipad to do the same thing" ... except this is for GAMING. Why buy a PS4/XBOX when you can get a PC or a laptop then? I mean f*ck specialised versions of different devices right? listen to yourselves.

Except time has nothing to do with those 2 points.

Everything here boils down to time, can't just dodge with that. clearly back peddeling.

There is no proof. They state using it for extend periods may be bad for young kids eyes. They also state young kids playing tablets for extended times is bad for your eyes. But new studies have shown that its not so bad and they changed their stance recently on young kids who use tablets.

Yeah, I know, that's why I said potentially. There are no conclusive studies for long term use because no one is going to submit a child to something that could be harmful. Tablets aren't 3D.

@22Toothpicks: I know, i was just using it cause of the recent study released.

@MBirdy88: I am not back pedaling at all I am simply going to allow for the release of information on the system and the final release of the system to demonstrate that you are wrong. Is that clearer?

I'll tell you exactly what the hell it has to do with a Windows tablet PC...

Due to the Switch's larger format it will require additional equipment to carry it around, during everyday life this would be a nuisance, cumbersome and a huge inconvenience without real justification because it's not an actual tablet and it simply plays games. The reason people put up with tablets and additional carry equipment on a daily basis is because of the fundamental capabilities and the ways in which they can enhance your life whether personally, academically or professionally when you're out of your house not to mention they can play games, thousands of games, the Switch offers none of that..

It's a faux tablet invading the handheld market and doesn't conform to either standard, it looks like a tablet but offers none of the benefits of one yet requires the same carrying equipment, and it looks like a portable handheld but it actually isn't one because it's so egregiously large you can't fit it anywhere convenient.

The PS4 and Xbox One are stationary equipment, there's no actual negative to them and you don't sacrifice anything by owning them, they're not a market invader doing multiple things wrong.

Was TC drunk? Switch is both home console and handheld.

@iandizion713: Nvidia shield.

Maybe so dudes. Handhelds are their bread and butter, so obviously a portable device is more important than a stationary device in Nintendos eyes.

Can't say I'm concerned with what Nintendo intends its primary purpose to be though. I'm going to hook the thing up to my TV or monitor and use it as a console with a standard controller. I'll probably never play it on the go. For my purposes it will serve the exact same function of a gaming console. Nintendo is facilitating a choice here and I'm going with the option that appeals to me.

As for the topic in general, can't say I care either way. I'm just hoping for a good lineup of exclusives and that's that. My only shred of interest in the system at this point is to play Zelda and that Mario game they showed for all of three seconds lol.

Aside from being a great way to rile up peeps in SW, this 'issue' really isn't that deep.

I don't remember the last handheld that actually fit in a jeans pocket,besides maybe the GBA SP

Do you guys wear children's pants?

Even if it does fit inside,still uncomfortable walking around all day with that