What current console maker has fallen the hardest from last gen?

and i care why? have consoles ever been about value vs. manufacturing cost? people seem to think that 249.99 for a Wii was more reasonable than Sony's insanely high prices. So something is making people think it's worth it -- I'd hazard to guess it's the fun factor + games. Something Sony has forgotten.

i couldn't care less if the system costs 1$ to make - i'm never liquidating it to sell the parts.

3picuri3

[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]

Yeah, plus the failure rate for 360 is so much higher. I've personally never seen a failure rate for a product this high in my life.

3picuri3

PS2 failure rate is rumored to have been around the same the 360 has right now. I had 3, 2 failed - one normal, one slim. One took 2 months for repair (which is why I bought another one) and the other took over 3 months.

What did you do put the thing in a pile of dust so it overheated? I had the same ps2 for the whole life of the system and still own it and guess what it still works.

and BTW i wasnt trying to bash the 360 i support the systems i own i was just making a point that there really hasent ever been numbers this high ever CommanderTy

then why do you only put your PSN tag in sig - makes you look like a bit of a .... fakeboy? ..... liar?

1.3 million out of how many Wii owners for what should be a household name?

Well the thing is thats just it really. Anyone that really wanted the game already has it and I personally wouldn't recommend it to anyone that already has the Cube version.

tomarlyn

That's still damn impressive, it squashed expectations. It was, I believe, expected to sell 400k?
And the PS2 version sold 2 million and Gamecube, 1.6 million.

The only reason it has those sales is because even as an old last-gen port its one of the only 2-3 games worth getting a Wii for.

tomarlyn

As much as you hate Nintendo's games (like a certain GOTY :P ), you have to admit they're a damn good reason to buy the Wii..
And the third parties offer a mixed bag...

[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]

Yeah, plus the failure rate for 360 is so much higher. I've personally never seen a failure rate for a product this high in my life.

Hyde006

PS2 failure rate is rumored to have been around the same the 360 has right now. I had 3, 2 failed - one normal, one slim. One took 2 months for repair (which is why I bought another one) and the other took over 3 months.

What did you do put the thing in a pile of dust so it overheated? I had the same ps2 for the whole life of the system and still own it and guess what it still works.

well la de fricking da. try using google if your brain didn't retain all the news about the famous DRE aka. Disk Read Error.

i keep a clean house - i have a maid service on top of that. had nothing to do with dust or dirt, just bad luck and a little thing called DRE.

the logic you have astounds me - so just because you don't have cancer now does that mean you'll never get cancer? or just because you don't have cancer it means someone else didn't get it even though they did and died? some of you baffle me -- and funny enough, it's usually the cows.

[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]

Yeah, plus the failure rate for 360 is so much higher. I've personally never seen a failure rate for a product this high in my life.

Hyde006

PS2 failure rate is rumored to have been around the same the 360 has right now. I had 3, 2 failed - one normal, one slim. One took 2 months for repair (which is why I bought another one) and the other took over 3 months.

What did you do put the thing in a pile of dust so it overheated? I had the same ps2 for the whole life of the system and still own it and guess what it still works.

Plus 33% does not equal the 5% failure rate of PS2s. I'll try and find the link if you don't believ me :).

[QUOTE="CommanderTy"]and BTW i wasnt trying to bash the 360 i support the systems i own i was just making a point that there really hasent ever been numbers this high ever 3picuri3

then why do you only put your PSN tag in sig - makes you look like a bit of a .... fakeboy? ..... liar?

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]

[QUOTE="CommanderTy"]and BTW i wasnt trying to bash the 360 i support the systems i own i was just making a point that there really hasent ever been numbers this high ever CommanderTy

then why do you only put your PSN tag in sig - makes you look like a bit of a .... fakeboy? ..... liar?

[QUOTE="Hyde006"][QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]

Yeah, plus the failure rate for 360 is so much higher. I've personally never seen a failure rate for a product this high in my life.

TREAL_Since

PS2 failure rate is rumored to have been around the same the 360 has right now. I had 3, 2 failed - one normal, one slim. One took 2 months for repair (which is why I bought another one) and the other took over 3 months.

What did you do put the thing in a pile of dust so it overheated? I had the same ps2 for the whole life of the system and still own it and guess what it still works.

Plus 33% does not equal the 5% failure rate of PS2s. I'll try and find the link if you don't believ me :).

you can't be serious. so the manufactured guess about MS failure rate compared to the public figure for PS2 are comparable? no wonder you guys still support Sony, you can't rationalize your way out of a wet paper bag.

Microsoft. Last gen they had a top-notch console that barely broke, had an [standard]HDD, and was significantly more powerful than the other two consoles. Now their 360 brakes a lot, some have no HDD, Live problems, and is less powerful than the PS3.AIH_PSP

Fixed.

By the way, my Xbox 360 works perfectly. Live Problems? :lol: So, they have trouble due to massive Christmas fever for the first time and this makes that fall hardest from original Xbox Live? :lol: Oh lord.

[QUOTE="CommanderTy"][QUOTE="3picuri3"]

[QUOTE="CommanderTy"]and BTW i wasnt trying to bash the 360 i support the systems i own i was just making a point that there really hasent ever been numbers this high ever CommanderTy

then why do you only put your PSN tag in sig - makes you look like a bit of a .... fakeboy? ..... liar?

i would never want to game with someone like you - let alone consider putting you on something called a friends list. i'm just pointing out some inconsistencies in your arguments and public presentation. us veterans of SW are trained to spot fakeboys and liars :)

Nintendo's lost the most respect but obviously the PS3's slow start is the big surprise.tomarlyn

Actually, I think they gained the most respect from Cows, Lemmings, and Hermits. Ask them, they'll agree. They always hated Nintendo, but now they fear it.

[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"][QUOTE="surfer_dude_"][QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]

Well it's hard to say. No one company has fell off since last gen. Not even Sony. The Wii is doing much better than the GC. And the 360 is doing better than the XBOX. Sony is doing the same as they started with the PS2. I guess since Nintendo and Microsoft are doing better than last gen it makes it seem like Sony is doing bad.

Final Verdict: NO ONE.

3picuri3

Maybe I typed it wrong. The PS3 is selling very well. Compared to the PS2's first year it's about the same.

about the same? so this year the PS2 is doing better than it's first year in every month? because the PS2 has slaughtered the PS3 every month since launch IIRC.

Yes the PS2 kicked it into high gear after it's first year. Epsecially once it was more affordable. Sony sold 10 million PS2 consoles during its first year. The PS3 will eventually kick into high gear once more AAA killer apps arrive and another price cut is announced. But I'm not sure that the PS3 will reach the PS2's overall amount.

http://ps2.gamezone.com/news/03_23_01_01_36PM.htm

[QUOTE="CommanderTy"][QUOTE="CommanderTy"][QUOTE="3picuri3"]

[QUOTE="CommanderTy"]and BTW i wasnt trying to bash the 360 i support the systems i own i was just making a point that there really hasent ever been numbers this high ever 3picuri3

then why do you only put your PSN tag in sig - makes you look like a bit of a .... fakeboy? ..... liar?

i would never want to game with someone like you - let alone consider putting you on something called a friends list. i'm just pointing out some inconsistencies in your arguments and public presentation. us veterans of SW are trained to spot fakeboys and liars :)

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]Nintendo's lost the most respect but obviously the PS3's slow start is the big surprise.Zenfoldor

Actually, I think they gained the most respect from Cows, Lemmings, and Hermits. Ask them, they'll agree. They always hated Nintendo, but now they fear it.

Who fears a game company? Especially one such as Nintendo?

Yes the PS2 kicked it into high gear once the price especially once it was more affordable. Sony sold 10 million PS2 consoles during its first year. The PS3 will eventually kick into high gear once more AAA killer apps arrive, but I'm not sure that the PS3 will reach the PS2's overall amount.

http://ps2.gamezone.com/news/03_23_01_01_36PM.htm

TREAL_Since

more? are you kidding me? when did I miss the AAA killer PS3 apps. Is it Linux? lol.

you're dreaming if you think the PS3 will match PS2.

[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="CommanderTy"][QUOTE="CommanderTy"][QUOTE="3picuri3"]

[QUOTE="CommanderTy"]and BTW i wasnt trying to bash the 360 i support the systems i own i was just making a point that there really hasent ever been numbers this high ever msoftburney

then why do you only put your PSN tag in sig - makes you look like a bit of a .... fakeboy? ..... liar?

i would never want to game with someone like you - let alone consider putting you on something called a friends list. i'm just pointing out some inconsistencies in your arguments and public presentation. us veterans of SW are trained to spot fakeboys and liars :)

um - thanks for the tip. why exactly are you telling me this? i'm well aware of my social options through Live and 360, I'm just letting this little trooper know what I was getting at, and it wasn't that I wanted to talk to him lol, or message him - or add him as a friend.

i'm a little more selective than that.

[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"][QUOTE="Hyde006"][QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]

Yeah, plus the failure rate for 360 is so much higher. I've personally never seen a failure rate for a product this high in my life.

3picuri3

PS2 failure rate is rumored to have been around the same the 360 has right now. I had 3, 2 failed - one normal, one slim. One took 2 months for repair (which is why I bought another one) and the other took over 3 months.

What did you do put the thing in a pile of dust so it overheated? I had the same ps2 for the whole life of the system and still own it and guess what it still works.

Plus 33% does not equal the 5% failure rate of PS2s. I'll try and find the link if you don't believ me :).

you can't be serious. so the manufactured guess about MS failure rate compared to the public figure for PS2 are comparable? no wonder you guys still support Sony, you can't rationalize your way out of a wet paper bag.

We still support sony because of the games that are coming out for it and currently out..Final Fantasy 13, MGS4,White Knight Cronicles,Warhawk,Resistance,Heavenly Sword,GoW3,RE5,MGS Online,Killzone..and i wont continue because there wouldnt be enough room and what does have so far Gears of War,Halo and Mass Effect and I can play some of those on PC and the others soon.

um - thanks for the tip. why exactly are you telling me this? i'm well aware of my social options through Live and 360, I'm just letting this little trooper know what I was getting at, and it wasn't that I wanted to talk to him lol, or message him - or add him as a friend.

i'm a little more selective than that.

3picuri3

We still support sony because of the games that are coming out for it and currently out..Final Fantasy 13, MGS4,White Knight Cronicles,Warhawk,Resistance,Heavenly Sword,GoW3,RE5,MGS Online,Killzone..and i wont continue because there wouldnt be enough room and what does have so far Gears of War,Halo and Mass Effect and I can play some of those on PC and the others soon.

Hyde006

well i'm happy that's enough for you - personally I gave up on FF years ago. Used to love it, but it's spirit is gone, it's a brand now like Levi's, nothing more. MGS I never liked, except for on PSP - but that wasn't the same obviously. And nothing else for PS3 interests me. Except Little Big Planet - but I've heard rumors it's going to PC too.

either way, to each their own - I'm just trying to point out that both Sony and MS have had quality issues in the past / present - and both are still respected and loved by many. nothing less, nothing more.

[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"][QUOTE="Hyde006"][QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]

Yeah, plus the failure rate for 360 is so much higher. I've personally never seen a failure rate for a product this high in my life.

3picuri3

PS2 failure rate is rumored to have been around the same the 360 has right now. I had 3, 2 failed - one normal, one slim. One took 2 months for repair (which is why I bought another one) and the other took over 3 months.

What did you do put the thing in a pile of dust so it overheated? I had the same ps2 for the whole life of the system and still own it and guess what it still works.

Plus 33% does not equal the 5% failure rate of PS2s. I'll try and find the link if you don't believ me :).

you can't be serious. so the manufactured guess about MS failure rate compared to the public figure for PS2 are comparable? no wonder you guys still support Sony, you can't rationalize your way out of a wet paper bag.

Does it really matter? It should be obvious that the failure rate is much higher. PS2 didn't generate this much buzz with its faulty diodes. Of course I support Sony. I also support Microsoft and Nintendo :). That's why I own all consoles. I'm not picking sides here, I'm just calling it as I see it.

Like I said before I haven't lost respect for any conmpany and all 3 companies are doing very well right now. But out of the 3 MS and Sony have had the more noticeable set backs.

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]Nintendo's lost the most respect but obviously the PS3's slow start is the big surprise.tomarlyn

not a sheep in the least - but how the **** has Ninty lost respect? if anything Sony has - shameless copying, forced bluray, over-priced, poor 3rd party support, long time getting proper SDKs to developers, false and misleading statements after false and misleading statement, poor PSN support, Home Delays, Game Delays, saying rumble is last gen -> adding rumble, Sone EU execs undermining SCEA execs re: pricecuts, Ken Kutaragi, Lair....

i'm sure i could go on... but why.

Because they're the only ones that decided on low standards, for the first time in their proud history. At least the other two systems have some legs. ''Most dissapointing return'' might be a better way to put it, outside of the money.

I don't understand yor logic at all. If anything, in my eyes they have gained respect. The other 2 have done exactly the same thing that games have been doing since the early days of video games - making the graphics better. Nintendo have tried doing something diferent. Even if the wii totaly failed (which it obvioulsly hasn't) nintendo would have gained my respect for trying something diferent.

Does it really matter? It should be obvious that the failure rate is much higher. PS2 didn't generate this much buzz with its faulty diodes. Of course I support Sony. I also support Microsoft and Nintendo :). That's why I own all consoles. I'm not picking sides here, I'm just calling it as I see it.

Like I said before I haven't lost respect for any conmpany and all 3 companies are doing very well right now. But out of the 3 MS and Sony have had the more noticeable set backs.

TREAL_Since

My only point is that bringing up hardware issues is a moot point - both MS and Sony have had a troubled past with hardware problems, this time Sony has cleaned up somewhat (but it is their 3rd go at it, MS 2nd, so to me their both doing Par for the course).

Hardware issues don't make a system any less great - in other words, a console is more than the sum of it's parts in some circumstances. PS2 survived DRE, and I'm sure the 360 will grow out of the RROD (eventually :P).

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="3picuri3"]

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]Nintendo's lost the most respect but obviously the PS3's slow start is the big surprise.mattyftm

not a sheep in the least - but how the **** has Ninty lost respect? if anything Sony has - shameless copying, forced bluray, over-priced, poor 3rd party support, long time getting proper SDKs to developers, false and misleading statements after false and misleading statement, poor PSN support, Home Delays, Game Delays, saying rumble is last gen -> adding rumble, Sone EU execs undermining SCEA execs re: pricecuts, Ken Kutaragi, Lair....

i'm sure i could go on... but why.

Because they're the only ones that decided on low standards, for the first time in their proud history. At least the other two systems have some legs. ''Most dissapointing return'' might be a better way to put it, outside of the money.

I don't understand yor logic at all. If anything, in my eyes they have gained respect. The other 2 have done exactly the same thing that games have been doing since the early days of video games - making the graphics better. Nintendo have tried doing something diferent. Even if the wii totaly failed (which it obvioulsly hasn't) nintendo would have gained my respect for trying something diferent.

i think it's as simple as the difference between a materialistic person and someone that appreciates other aspects when seeking out products / possessions. there's a reason people buy BMWs, Mercedes, etc. they place value on the parts and the image, not the whole.

[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]

Yes the PS2 kicked it into high gear once the price especially once it was more affordable. Sony sold 10 million PS2 consoles during its first year. The PS3 will eventually kick into high gear once more AAA killer apps arrive, but I'm not sure that the PS3 will reach the PS2's overall amount.

http://ps2.gamezone.com/news/03_23_01_01_36PM.htm

3picuri3

more? are you kidding me? when did I miss the AAA killer PS3 apps. Is it Linux? lol.

you're dreaming if you think the PS3 will match PS2.

I NEVER said that the PS3 has any AAA killer apps and I never stated that the PS3 will match PS2's success. Please give it a rest. This is getting tiresome.

What a way to take the "more" part of of context. Re-read my post and you will see that I have my doubts that the PS3 will match the PS2 in sales.

It seems to me that you are just a Playstation hater. I guarantee if you purchased one this year you would have alot of fun with it. Any respectful gamer would. Just like if aMS/360 hater purchased a 360.

[QUOTE="Zenfoldor"]

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]Nintendo's lost the most respect but obviously the PS3's slow start is the big surprise.Ragnarok1051

Actually, I think they gained the most respect from Cows, Lemmings, and Hermits. Ask them, they'll agree. They always hated Nintendo, but now they fear it.

Who fears a game company? Especially one such as Nintendo?

Every "hardcore" gamer on this forum. I understand though, show no weakness, right?

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="Zenfoldor"]

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]Nintendo's lost the most respect but obviously the PS3's slow start is the big surprise.Zenfoldor

Actually, I think they gained the most respect from Cows, Lemmings, and Hermits. Ask them, they'll agree. They always hated Nintendo, but now they fear it.

Who fears a game company? Especially one such as Nintendo?

Every "hardcore" gamer on this forum. I understand though, show no weakness, right?

You know what I'm afraid of. Nintendo never creating a new hardcore IP. Wait... they already said they they have no plans to. WHYYYY :cry:

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="Zenfoldor"]

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]Nintendo's lost the most respect but obviously the PS3's slow start is the big surprise.Zenfoldor

Actually, I think they gained the most respect from Cows, Lemmings, and Hermits. Ask them, they'll agree. They always hated Nintendo, but now they fear it.

Who fears a game company? Especially one such as Nintendo?

Every "hardcore" gamer on this forum. I understand though, show no weakness, right?

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]

1.3 million out of how many Wii owners for what should be a household name?

Well the thing is thats just it really. Anyone that really wanted the game already has it and I personally wouldn't recommend it to anyone that already has the Cube version.

tbone29

That's still damn impressive, it squashed expectations. It was, I believe, expected to sell 400k?
And the PS2 version sold 2 million and Gamecube, 1.6 million.

The only reason it has those sales is because even as an old last-gen port its one of the only 2-3 games worth getting a Wii for.

tomarlyn

As much as you hate Nintendo's games (like a certain GOTY :P ), you have to admit they're a damn good reason to buy the Wii..
And the third parties offer a mixed bag...

Fair enough to an extent.

But, not so much for Ninty's first party these days. I couldn't give a crap about MP3 or SMG but I think they're great games.

However:

• TP is the worst 3D Zelda ever made
• SPM is very forgettable
• Mario Party 17 is going too far
• Excite Truck actually amounts to shovelware
• DK Barrel Blast was meant for Bongo's but they thought they'd cash-in anyway
• Strikers Charged has the most unsporting bunch of dis-connectors this side of teh internets

And as far as the other IP's go its really a matter of preference and cult worship (Smash Bro's for example).

Hazzaaa, overrated methinks lately. But not in the DS's case, its awesomeness is beyond measure.

The Wii's standards are about 4-5 years old which is why people call it last-gen (forget the graphics, the games are still living in the past too because of processing and ram limitations). So, 2-3 games really worth getting one for and then you still need to know what your getting into. 99% of this 3rd party bag mixing is total garbage or passable at best too, no offense :P

the obvious and kind of redundant answer is Sony

is this tread an excuse to bash sony some more?