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#1 -TheSecondSign-
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My opinion is Blizzard, no doubt.

Nintendo releases it's share of bad titles, but it's been over a decade since anything "average" was released by Blizzard, in my personal opinion.

I remember when they cancelled Ghost, everyone had questions, and they said they didn't release it because it didn't meet THEIR standards. That game would've sold millions regardless of it's quality, but Blizzard cancelled it anyway. A lot of companies would've released it because the time and money spent on it, but Blizzard just said "No".

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#2 thrones
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Blizzard. Obviously.
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#3 Logan832
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I think that Insomniac never fails to deliver.
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#4 Stonin
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Black Isle Studios. Truely gods amongst men.
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Quite a few have good track records. Valve has had a pretty steller record, as has Bungie, Nintendo, Insomniac, Maxis (pre EA buyout), Bioware....

As for the best, depends on what you are judging as criteria. Aggregate review scores, GS review scores, sales, personal opinion, etc.

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#6 osan0
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blizzard do make some cracking titles. oddly enough, alot of the complaints ppl aim at nintendo could also be aimed at bliozzard (rehashing and all that). thats all silly though.

personally i would give it to ninty though simply because they release more titles and get alot fo them right (there are a few duds absolutely). but a company that can keep an IP up to a consistently high standard for 20 years diserves major kudos imho. i dont think anyone else has done that (hell most games publishers close down before 20 years is up).

valve also diserve a mention because of the HL series (fantastic series) and they support some really cool projects like portal.

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#7 Norule04
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bungie and bioware?
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#8 Burnsmiesta
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Blizzard don't do much wrong.
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#9 EVOLV3
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Rockstar, Insomniac and Blizzard
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#10 lordlors
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Blizzard, Valve, BioWare and Nintendo
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Epic Ga,es

Rare

Nintendo EAD

Blizzard

a bunch

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Black Isle Studios. Truely gods amongst men.Stonin

RIP black isle. so many greats from those guys.

god interplay....what a company. when they were at the height of their power, the PC was in a golden age of gaming imho. so many crackin games from one publisher and the indirectly pushed other companies to be daring. RIP interplay. still there legacy will go on forever. its a shame they were managed by old dingy lemons.

volition, THQ. get the freespace licence and get to work. drop that saints row crap and get back to what u do best. aaa freespace...another great IP from interplay.

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Look at the top 10 at Gamerankings

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Nintendo, Valve, Retro and Bungie
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lionhead, bungie, isomniac, umm naught dog has a few bad ones...um blizzard is awsome! there are alot of good ones.
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Bethesda too? Nintendo's more of a Disney/EA. They make good games but none of them really make you turn your head.
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You must take into account the number of games they've released, the variety etc. If none of it is taken into account, then Blizzard wins pretty much. And although Blizzard had done a variety of genres pre-1994, no one really talks about them as much as they do the other more popular games. And they've released, Warcraft, Warcraft II, Diablo, Diablo II, Starcraft, and World of Warcraft. They're all awesome, but it's almost as if Blizzard isn't even going out of its comfort zone :?. I personally think the best devs in the world are Ubisoft Montreal. They may not have a higher average AAA percentage than Blizzard, but they darn well have made a larger variety of games that are good, if not great, and if not even excellent in their respective genres. And Bungie's pretty darn good too. If they only made Halo and Marathon, they'd look just like Valve. But since they've done other projects too (even winning PC RTS of the year by PC Gamer), they're in my books are awesome all-round devs. I hope they won't make another FPS just so they can keep that title.
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I'd have to say Blizzard. All of their games are loved by everyone.
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Bethesda too? Nintendo's more of a Disney/EA. They make good games but none of them really make you turn your head.neovalkyr

They must make a lot of peoples heads turn as they have more game of the years than any other company and have all ten top spots on gamerankings.

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Quite a few have good track records. Valve has had a pretty steller record, as has Bungie, Nintendo, Insomniac, Maxis (pre EA buyout), Bioware....

As for the best, depends on what you are judging as criteria. Aggregate review scores, GS review scores, sales, personal opinion, etc.

SpruceCaboose
I was thinking Blizzard and Valve, myself. Valve just polishes everything they do to perfection, as does Blizzard - except Blizz will just kill off projects they don't feel so good about. Maxis? They ran out of money and were about to go out of business. There were a few missteps, with gems like these. Not to mention the Sim franchise... SimCity + SimCity 2000, SimAnt, SimFarm, SimIsle, SimTower, SimGolf, SimCopter, SimLife, SimEarth, SimPark, SimHealth - and most of those titles were crammed into a 5-year period. The games that did come out right were great fun and I loved (even liked some on there like SimGolf, heh). Even SimCity 3000 is post-EA buyout, though.
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insomniac has never made anything but great games.

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#22 stephant_6
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Blizzard.
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nintendo, blizzard, valve. that should be about it for me
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#24 FrozenLiquid
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Bethesda too? Nintendo's more of a Disney/EA. They make good games but none of them really make you turn your head.neovalkyr
Bethesda, once again, are those types of devs who only excel in one specific genre. Their big-budget titles of modern times are only Elder Scrolls titles, and the new Fallout which everyone's saying is an Oblivion retexture or something. Nintendo's an awesome developer. Unlike the others which make the same type of games using different universes, Nintendo makes different games using the same source material i.e Mario. But yeah, you'd be kinda blind to think Nintendo didn't turn heads with Super Mario, or Mario 64, or Super Smash Bros., or Paper Mario. Oh, and Disney does turn heads. Snow White turned heads for animation the world over. Bambi did too. Then in the early ninties they did it again with the Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, and the Lion King. In fact, the only animated feature to ever be nominated an Academy Award for "Best Picture" was Beauty and the Beast. The Academy has since created an award for "Best Animated Feature" since quality animated titles never seem to even get nominated for Best Picture. Just a heads up there for you.
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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

Quite a few have good track records. Valve has had a pretty steller record, as has Bungie, Nintendo, Insomniac, Maxis (pre EA buyout), Bioware....

As for the best, depends on what you are judging as criteria. Aggregate review scores, GS review scores, sales, personal opinion, etc.

Makari

I was thinking Blizzard and Valve, myself. Valve just polishes everything they do to perfection, as does Blizzard - except Blizz will just kill off projects they don't feel so good about.

How do you think they maintain their flawless track record? :P

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Naughty Dog, Insomniac, or Rockstar Games
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I'd have to say Blizzard. All of their games are loved by everyone.mo0ksi
I'd be the exception lol. And any non-hardcore gamer too. Wait, there's that bloody World of Warcraft... Sorry, my bad.
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Naughty Dog, Insomniac, or Rockstar Gamesshadyd1717
rcok star has a few crap games other then gta tho, really the first decent game that wasn't gta was that table tennis game.
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Nintendo. Nothing can compete with Zelda OoT (N64), Metroid Prime (GC), and now Super Mario Galaxy (Wii). Along with Super Smash and tons of others.
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[QUOTE="mo0ksi"]I'd have to say Blizzard. All of their games are loved by everyone.FrozenLiquid
I'd be the exception lol. And any non-hardcore gamer too. Wait, there's that bloody World of Warcraft... Sorry, my bad.

Just curious,which Blizzard games do you not like?

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Nintendo EAD, bungie, retro studios and capcom anyone?...capcom is just my opinion, but i love me some megaman
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#32 CraigJK
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I believe Valve is great about it, but im sure there are others.
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Intelligent Systems(Fire Emblem, Advanced Wars and Paper Mario series)

WoW kinda pushed Blizzard down on the list of developers for me.

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[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]You must take into account the number of games they've released, the variety etc. If none of it is taken into account, then Blizzard wins pretty much. And although Blizzard had done a variety of genres pre-1994, no one really talks about them as much as they do the other more popular games. And they've released, Warcraft, Warcraft II, Diablo, Diablo II, Starcraft, and World of Warcraft. They're all awesome, but it's almost as if Blizzard isn't even going out of its comfort zone :?. I personally think the best devs in the world are Ubisoft Montreal. They may not have a higher average AAA percentage than Blizzard, but they darn well have made a larger variety of games that are good, if not great, and if not even excellent in their respective genres. And Bungie's pretty darn good too. If they only made Halo and Marathon, they'd look just like Valve. But since they've done other projects too (even winning PC RTS of the year by PC Gamer), they're in my books are awesome all-round devs. I hope they won't make another FPS just so they can keep that title.

I do think that Blizzard has done it a few times - thinking of the pre-1994 Lost Vikings, Rock n' Roll Racing and more importantly, Blackthorne! They were all great games, and I think the main reason people don't talk about them is that they just don't talk about games from that time period often unless some sort of franchise or similar game continued the name onward. After that, they went to RTS games the first jump out the comfort zone. When they stepped out again to do Diablo, not only was it something new, they more or less created/defined the action-RPG as we know it today. After going back to RTS/aRPG games (yeah, I just gave starcraft + diablo 2 + wc3 a grand total of 7 words), when they did WoW, it was again something new where people (on this very forum!) laughed at it being something they know nothing about - and they pretty much batted it out of the park 10x further than anybody knew that type of game could go. All told, you've got platformers, racing, RTS, action-rpg and MMORPG! They tried third-person shooters (Ghost, but I guess they didn't dev that at all so it probably shouldn't count) and WarCraft Adventures (straight adventure game) too, though both were killed off.
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[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="mo0ksi"]I'd have to say Blizzard. All of their games are loved by everyone.stephant_6

I'd be the exception lol. And any non-hardcore gamer too. Wait, there's that bloody World of Warcraft... Sorry, my bad.

Just curious,which Blizzard games do you not like?

Well, I just don't like World of Warcraft. It's like the McDonald's of MMOs. For the others though, I really don't mind them, but I just don't get addicted to them. And it doesn't help that once you've played Warcraft, you've essentially played Starcraft as well. The only game I really admire is War 3 since the micro needed for that game is unbelievable (I mean, it's almost impossible to win with macro). Maybe a lot of people really like the stories they tell in their games, but once again, it doesn't hit it with me. Not because they can't tell stories (which they really can), but these same stories appear in amateur online fictions a lot. Not in terms of storytelling, but just in terms of plot and elements etc. That last bit on story was aimed more towards Warcraft. Starcraft's story is alright, though the plot element sounds like a copy of Starship Troopers. And I'm nitpicking, but I just can't get over the fact that the term "Terran" is use in it. It's like calling some intergalactic united nations force the "Jedi".
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[QUOTE="stephant_6"]

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="mo0ksi"]I'd have to say Blizzard. All of their games are loved by everyone.FrozenLiquid

I'd be the exception lol. And any non-hardcore gamer too. Wait, there's that bloody World of Warcraft... Sorry, my bad.

Just curious,which Blizzard games do you not like?

Well, I just don't like World of Warcraft. It's like the McDonald's of MMOs.

MMOs aren't generally known to be sophisticated, charming affairs replete with fine wines and six forks of varying shapes and sizes. :P

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[QUOTE="Makari"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

Quite a few have good track records. Valve has had a pretty steller record, as has Bungie, Nintendo, Insomniac, Maxis (pre EA buyout), Bioware....

As for the best, depends on what you are judging as criteria. Aggregate review scores, GS review scores, sales, personal opinion, etc.

stephant_6

I was thinking Blizzard and Valve, myself. Valve just polishes everything they do to perfection, as does Blizzard - except Blizz will just kill off projects they don't feel so good about.

How do you think they maintain their flawless track record? :P

More power to 'em. :) Imagine a world where developers would say 'You know, this WW2 FPS we're making is just kind of generic. We're going to start over and do something different.' I know it's not feasible for 99.9% of the industry, but it's nice knowing that if Blizz or Valve releases something, it's because they really honestly believe in it and have gone through all kinds of playtesting to make sure it is. Some Nintendo studios do the same thing.
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#38 ice144
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Intelligent Systems(Fire Emblem, Advanced Wars and Paper Mario series)

WoW kinda pushed Blizzard down on the list of developers for me.

dragonball3900

lol DOWN? How does their most successful game push it down?

for me, it's:

1st place:Valve

2nd place: Blizzard

3rd place: Nintendo

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Level 5. All of their games are rated 8 and above.
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[QUOTE="Makari"] I do think that Blizzard has done it a few times - thinking of the pre-1994 Lost Vikings, Rock n' Roll Racing and more importantly, Blackthorne! They were all great games, and I think the main reason people don't talk about them is that they just don't talk about games from that time period often unless some sort of franchise or similar game continued the name onward. After that, they went to RTS games the first jump out the comfort zone. When they stepped out again to do Diablo, not only was it something new, they more or less created/defined the action-RPG as we know it today. After going back to RTS/aRPG games (yeah, I just gave starcraft + diablo 2 + wc3 a grand total of 7 words), when they did WoW, it was again something new where people (on this very forum!) laughed at it being something they know nothing about - and they pretty much batted it out of the park 10x further than anybody knew that type of game could go. All told, you've got platformers, racing, RTS, action-rpg and MMORPG! They tried third-person shooters (Ghost, but I guess they didn't dev that at all so it probably shouldn't count) and WarCraft Adventures (straight adventure game) too, though both were killed off.

When people say Blizzard has a 'flawless' track record, they're not thinking of any game that came out before Warcraft. It's Warcraft, Starcraft, and Diablo that make Blizzard appear 'flawless' I was too young to remember any of their pre-1994 games but I've only played the Lost Vikings. I believe the only reason people don't talk about them is because a lot of them weren't very memorable. I mean, from the beginning Warcraft was a popular title. As for WoW.... it's an EverQuest clone. Yeah, I know it perfected the EQ formula, but there's nothing that really defines itself as unique. It was just fed to the lowest common denominator, and from there it became popular. Oh, not to mention Everquest 2, after all its updates and fixes, is just as good as WoW, if not better, though it's been lost ever since WoW picked up speed. I really like the Turbine MMOs (though LotR almost copied WoW except for the focus) since they're always targeting niche aspects, but I hope Funcom can shake the MMO world somewhat. Now that is a game that should earn its way to King of MMO status. I might sound like I have a personal agenda against WoW, but I just don't really like it. Not even for the lore. Never really liked Warcraft lore.
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Bungie, infinity ward, bioware, insonmiac, and of course blizzard:D
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MMOs aren't generally known to be sophisticated, charming affairs replete with fine wines and six forks of varying shapes and sizes. :P

mjarantilla
Perhaps, but there are some that actually try do something not done before. Pre-NGE, Star Wars galaxies was probably the best damn MMO out. It may not have had the technical flawlessness of WoW, but bloody hell was the concept ambitious and awesome. I think many people get lost as to what an MMO should be about. It's really about the community, and SWG was one of the best. Why? It was filled with Star Wars geeks. And they knew how to role play. I remember a Twi'lek chick who was posing as a club dancer but sold items 'under the table'. It's so much more engrossing than standing in front of the auction house shouting on the chatbox "GENERIC EPIC SET. WHISPER FOR OFFER". And you had people who wanted to be a variety of different things. I mean, even though it was difficult to attain, no one really wanted to be a Jedi (now though, everyone is a freakin' Jedi). SWG was complex, huge, and downright had one of the best communities ever. I'm crossing my fingers for a reboot.
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Bioware, Infinity Ward, Rockstar Games, Bungie, Blizzard
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Poeple naming Wow as a crappy MMO please name an MMO worth playing... Even though WOW is a chore it's the best game out of the chore genre.

Blizzard + Valve.

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Blizzard, Valve, Nintendo
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blizzard and bioware come immediately to mind.
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#47 Makari
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[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"] As for WoW.... it's an EverQuest clone. Yeah, I know it perfected the EQ formula, but there's nothing that really defines itself as unique. It was just fed to the lowest common denominator, and from there it became popular. Oh, not to mention Everquest 2, after all its updates and fixes, is just as good as WoW, if not better, though it's been lost ever since WoW picked up speed. I really like the Turbine MMOs (though LotR almost copied WoW except for the focus) since they're always targeting niche aspects, but I hope Funcom can shake the MMO world somewhat. Now that is a game that should earn its way to King of MMO status.

Appealing to the lowest common denominator, in WoW's case, meant effectively dealing with the reasons most people don't like MMO's. They even managed to shake the AMAZINGLY nerdy stigma attached to MMO's for a time, until the playerbase went right back and earned it. I only played WoW for a year or so, but I can appreciate how much went into the game - it's definitely quality stuff, and both the reviews and the playerbase reflect that. Especially considering that the large casual market they managed to draw in doesn't know or care what it means to be a Blizzard game - they're people that were just drawn into the game on its own merits. It's pretty hard to like a game like Halo if your taste in FPS games leans towards the realistic, so to speak. You see it in RTS games with WiC vs. Company of Heroes vs. Warcraft 3 vs. Homeworld vs Medieval: Total War vs. Close Combat II (edit: vs. Supreme Commander vs. insert-C&C/RA-style-unit-spamfest-RTS-here). All extremely different styles of RTS, and the people that like some are generally going to hate some of the others. But they're all oh so quality. The tactical gamer that loves CC and CoH might hate Medieval or Homeworld, but they're still awesome games.
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#48 FrozenLiquid
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Poeple naming Wow as a crappy MMO please name an MMO worth playing... Even though WOW is a chore it's the best game out of the chore genre.

Blizzard + Valve.

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Star Wars Galaxies. Well, it was worth playing pre-2005. So unless you want to join the last few teenagers who're living their dream as Jedi... Lord of the Rings Online: Shadows of Angmar. EVE Online. Asheron's Call 2. Everquest 2, as most if not all the problems have been addressed, even within the first year of its release, and it's just as good as WoW. Though no one cared for it after WoW exploded onto the scene. See the problem here is that we've taken out the "RPG" in "MMORPG". It's stopped becoming an online role playing game and it's become the race to be at the the top of the leaderboards. That's what WoW has reinforced into the genre.
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#49 JuarN18
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blizzard, valve, capcom and of course Nintendo EAD

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#50 FrozenLiquid
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[QUOTE="Makari"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"] As for WoW.... it's an EverQuest clone. Yeah, I know it perfected the EQ formula, but there's nothing that really defines itself as unique. It was just fed to the lowest common denominator, and from there it became popular. Oh, not to mention Everquest 2, after all its updates and fixes, is just as good as WoW, if not better, though it's been lost ever since WoW picked up speed. I really like the Turbine MMOs (though LotR almost copied WoW except for the focus) since they're always targeting niche aspects, but I hope Funcom can shake the MMO world somewhat. Now that is a game that should earn its way to King of MMO status.

Appealing to the lowest common denominator, in WoW's case, meant effectively dealing with the reasons most people don't like MMO's. They even managed to shake the AMAZINGLY nerdy stigma attached to MMO's for a time, until the playerbase went right back and earned it. I only played WoW for a year or so, but I can appreciate how much went into the game - it's definitely quality stuff, and both the reviews and the playerbase reflect that. Especially considering that the large casual market they managed to draw in doesn't know or care what it means to be a Blizzard game - they're people that were just drawn into the game on its own merits. It's pretty hard to like a game like Halo if your taste in FPS games leans towards the realistic, so to speak. You see it in RTS games with WiC vs. Company of Heroes vs. Warcraft 3 vs. Homeworld vs Medieval: Total War vs. Close Combat II (edit: vs. Supreme Commander vs. insert-C&C/RA-style-unit-spamfest-RTS-here). All extremely different styles of RTS, and the people that like some are generally going to hate some of the others. But they're all oh so quality. The tactical gamer that loves CC and CoH might hate Medieval or Homeworld, but they're still awesome games.

I'll address the second part first: Um, that has nothing to do with your first paragraph. And I honestly don't know how it's tying in with your argument. So if we were to apply this "effectively dealing with the reasons most people don't like said genres", are we to say that Mass Effect's watered-down RPG elements, only to appeal to a wide audience, is "effectively dealing with the reasons most people don't like RPGs"? Shall we also apply that to Oblivion? Does it make those games better than the others of their genre? So have they bested Fallout, KotOR, Morrowind etc, because the ignorant casual people didn't understand why, for example, when they attacked they would "miss" at point blank range? I don't mind Blizzard trying to solve the problems that have plagued MMORPGs for quite some time, but pushing it forward rather than remaining stagnant would have been more appreciated, and in the process they have created a few problems. I mean, right, MMO users are stereotyped as 40 year old somethings that take their game too seriously. But WoW now has created this dilemma of teenagers who play from 8 in the morning 'til 5 in the evening, and then there are others who would do anything for gold, and in a certain case I've had the offer of seeing real nude pics in exchange for gold. And dungeon orgies (please don't mod me mods, that was just something factual). While innuendo has been a concern before, it was never like this in the past. So is this teenage hormone-enraged stigma any better than the nerdy stigma? In all honesty, despite my contemporaries playing WoW, I most certainly enjoyed playing with the 'elders' on LOTRO. Look, we'll have to agree to disagree. Every time a WoW argument comes up it goes on forever.