What do all you EA haters think now?

EA release and make some of the best games now, 2008 was a stellar year for them with great games like Tiger woods 09, Fifa 09, Dead Space, Mirrors edge. Red alert 3, Spore, the Sims 3, Burnout paradise, battlefield bad company, . Since Peter Moore joined the quality has gone up and up. People who hate EA now must also hate good games, and need to eat some serious crow because EA are a great company now for gamers.

Fact.

EA release and make some of the best games now, 2008 was a stellar year for them with great games like Tiger woods 09, Fifa 09, Dead Space, Mirrors edge. Red alert 3, Spore, the Sims 3, Burnout paradise, battlefield bad company, . Since Peter Moore joined the quality has gone up and up. People who hate EA now must also hate good games, and need to eat some serious crow because EA are a great company now for gamers.

Fact.

-NickJC1-

wasn't face breaker made by them as well? one of the new franchises slated?

i have never disliked EA my opinion hasnt changed they do what they do with their sports games and i'm fine with that these games need regular updates. what does grind my gears is the people on here that complain and forget EA (just like sony, nintendo and microsoft) are in it to make money not please u

I still hate them :P

Spore Packs already???

the Burnout content redeems them somewhat i suppose.

I saw this all coming, the company has been wanting to move out of casual games solely for a while. The demand of the industry helps, too.

There got pleanty more coming. Even Actiblizzard are shaking in their collective boots.

:lol: peter moore is part of the sports division.....he has no say on the other departments

also...some of those games are not developed internally at EA.

the only good game they have come up with on their own is dead space and i hope they continue to do this

I like EA alot. I just don't want them to acquire companies and force them to make mediocre games just for sales.

If they give devs some freedom they can make great games like Dead Space.

:lol: peter moore is part of the sports division.....he has no say on the other departments

also...some of those games are not developed internally at EA.

the only good game they have come up with on their own is dead space and i hope they continue to do this

superjim42

All the games are developed internally. They are all made by internal studios owned by EA, even Dead Space. There is this fallacy that if a studio has a name, its not EA. It is EA, just like God of War is made by Sony, even if the studio behind it has a different name.

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:lol: peter moore is part of the sports division.....he has no say on the other departments

also...some of those games are not developed internally at EA.

the only good game they have come up with on their own is dead space and i hope they continue to do this

SpruceCaboose

All the games are developed internally. They are all made by internal studios owned by EA, even Dead Space. There is this fallacy that if a studio has a name, its not EA. It is EA, just like God of War is made by Sony, even if the studio behind it has a different name.

yes but games like burnout paradise is being developed by CRITERION, EA are publishing. i know they are first/second party devs but i was referring to the actual EA STUDIOS around the globe. and out of that list the only one by EA itself is dead space. developed by ea redwood studios i beleive it is.

as for god of war it was developed by internal SONY SANTA MONICA STUDIOS....see what i mean?

im just saying EA hasnt actually developed anything good itself recently. BUT dead space looks to change that

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="superjim42"]

:lol: peter moore is part of the sports division.....he has no say on the other departments

also...some of those games are not developed internally at EA.

the only good game they have come up with on their own is dead space and i hope they continue to do this

superjim42

All the games are developed internally. They are all made by internal studios owned by EA, even Dead Space. There is this fallacy that if a studio has a name, its not EA. It is EA, just like God of War is made by Sony, even if the studio behind it has a different name.

yes but games like burnout paradise is being developed by CRITERION, EA are publishing. i know they are first/second party devs but i was referring to the actual EA STUDIOS around the globe. and out of that list the only one by EA itself is dead space. developed by ea redwood studios i beleive it is.

as for god of war it was developed by internal SONY SANTA MONICA STUDIOS....see what i mean?

im just saying EA hasnt actually developed anything good itself recently. BUT dead space looks to change that

And EA Redwood Shores is going to be rebranded into its own identity. Just because they are called Criterion does not make them any different than EA Tiburon or anything. Heck, DICE's real name is EA DICE. EA just kept the names on those studios because they had consumer appeal.

In the end, EA id developing those titles. Plain and simple. They call all the shots, the employees are employed by EA, and EA is the one that makes those games, since the studios are all EA.

[QUOTE="superjim42"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="superjim42"]

:lol: peter moore is part of the sports division.....he has no say on the other departments

also...some of those games are not developed internally at EA.

the only good game they have come up with on their own is dead space and i hope they continue to do this

SpruceCaboose

All the games are developed internally. They are all made by internal studios owned by EA, even Dead Space. There is this fallacy that if a studio has a name, its not EA. It is EA, just like God of War is made by Sony, even if the studio behind it has a different name.

yes but games like burnout paradise is being developed by CRITERION, EA are publishing. i know they are first/second party devs but i was referring to the actual EA STUDIOS around the globe. and out of that list the only one by EA itself is dead space. developed by ea redwood studios i beleive it is.

as for god of war it was developed by internal SONY SANTA MONICA STUDIOS....see what i mean?

im just saying EA hasnt actually developed anything good itself recently. BUT dead space looks to change that

And EA Redwood Shores is going to be rebranded into its own identity. Just because they are called Criterion does not make them any different than EA Tiburon or anything. Heck, DICE's real name is EA DICE. EA just kept the names on those studios because they had consumer appeal.

In the end, EA id developing those titles. Plain and simple. They call all the shots, the employees are employed by EA, and EA is the one that makes those games, since the studios are all EA.

ok fair enough but i dont see how criterion is ea.

they were a seperate entity before ea bought them. criterion has the same devs as when it started. ea didnt suddenly change all the team and replace it with its own internal staff.

therefore it is still criterion even if its parent company is EA. and the game burnout was developed by criterion not ea. EA just have their name on it cos they own the devs.

EA release and make some of the best games now, 2008 was a stellar year for them with great games like Tiger woods 09, Fifa 09, Dead Space, Mirrors edge. Red alert 3, Spore, the Sims 3, Burnout paradise, battlefield bad company, . Since Peter Moore joined the quality has gone up and up. People who hate EA now must also hate good games, and need to eat some serious crow because EA are a great company now for gamers.

Fact.

-NickJC1-

I'm not so sure about the other games, but those games weren't made by EA. They were made by Westwood, and Maxis, two of my favorite companies. The fact that they were bought out by EA is only a technicality.

EA release and make some of the best games now, 2008 was a stellar year for them with great games like Tiger woods 09, Fifa 09, Dead Space, Mirrors edge. Red alert 3, Spore, the Sims 3, Burnout paradise, battlefield bad company, . Since Peter Moore joined the quality has gone up and up. People who hate EA now must also hate good games, and need to eat some serious crow because EA are a great company now for gamers.

Fact.

-NickJC1-

Yes, they have shown that they can do good things and support new IPs. The big question is can they keep up on that, or are we looking at Dead Space 2 in 2009, Dead Space 3 in 2010, Dead Space 4 in 2011, etc.SpruceCaboose

EA is a huge studio with a lot of developers, they are bound to put out some good games. FYI Burnout is made by Criterion, Battlefield and Mirrors Edge are Dice, Spore and Sims are Maxis. I give them credit for deadspace though, it stil doesn't change the fact a lot of their series have gone to crap, like MaddenCouth_

ok fair enough but i dont see how criterion is ea.

they were a seperate entity before ea bought them. criterion has the same devs as when it started. ea didnt suddenly change all the team and replace it with its own internal staff.

therefore it is still criterion even if its parent company is EA. and the game burnout was developed by criterion not ea. EA just have their name on it cos they own the devs.

superjim42

It is Criterion. But Criterion is now EA. They will make whatever EA says they will make.

They are not a seperate entity like they used to be. EA could just as easily disband them, restaff them, or name them EA EU or something if they wanted to, but from EA's PoV it makes more sense to keep the name and people that consumers recognize.

Same thing with BioWare and Pandemic. They are both EA now, but they get to keep their name and most of their staff, since that setup works in EAs favor.

another example. motorstorm is by evolution studios. they have now been bought out by sony BUT they are still the developers of motorstorm 2. not sony. or not anyone else. but evolution studios. sony is the owner of the comany so their name sticks on it. superjim42

And likewise, Sony could take the IP and have someone else develop it if they wanted to.

Its like Ensemble Studios. Either they are Microsoft, which they are until they finish Halo Wars. Or they are not. If they are not Microsoft, how could Microsoft shutter them?

I will illustrate the difference.

Criterion is owned by EA. They are EA. They may have input on what they make, but ultimately EA makes the call. EA has final say on every aspect of the IP and game.

Epic is a developer in a publishing relationship with EA. Epic makes what they want to make, and EA publishes it, and helps with some costs, but the final say on almost everything lays with Epic, not EA.

[QUOTE="superjim42"]another example. motorstorm is by evolution studios. they have now been bought out by sony BUT they are still the developers of motorstorm 2. not sony. or not anyone else. but evolution studios. sony is the owner of the comany so their name sticks on it. SpruceCaboose

And likewise, Sony could take the IP and have someone else develop it if they wanted to.

Its like Ensemble Studios. Either they are Microsoft, which they are until they finish Halo Wars. Or they are not. If they are not Microsoft, how could Microsoft shutter them?

yes sony can do that cos they are the owners of the IP due to the buy out BUT it doesnt change the fact that evolution studios are still the guys behind the actual game. UNLESS sony steps and helps out with the development with its own internal staff. like the new rpg demon souls which is a joint effort by scej and from software.

which is why i say only dead space is the game by EA itself cos they themselves with their own team at their own internal studios developed the game.

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[QUOTE="superjim42"]another example. motorstorm is by evolution studios. they have now been bought out by sony BUT they are still the developers of motorstorm 2. not sony. or not anyone else. but evolution studios. sony is the owner of the comany so their name sticks on it. superjim42

And likewise, Sony could take the IP and have someone else develop it if they wanted to.

Its like Ensemble Studios. Either they are Microsoft, which they are until they finish Halo Wars. Or they are not. If they are not Microsoft, how could Microsoft shutter them?

yes sony can do that cos they are the owners of the IP due to the buy out BUT it doesnt change the fact that evolution studios are still the guys behind the actual game. UNLESS sony steps and helps out with the development with its own internal staff. like the new rpg demon souls which is a joint effort by scej and from software.

which is why i say only dead space is the game by EA itself cos they themselves with their own team at their own internal studios developed the game.

All of Sony's developers work for one of the internal companies. There are no "Sony developers" that just farm out, but they often do work closely together.

Its mentioned all the time in articles about how various internal studios often share people and assets when its needed. I believe Guerrilla Games even mentioned how they appreciated input from other teams when they started work on KZ2.

[QUOTE="superjim42"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

[QUOTE="superjim42"]another example. motorstorm is by evolution studios. they have now been bought out by sony BUT they are still the developers of motorstorm 2. not sony. or not anyone else. but evolution studios. sony is the owner of the comany so their name sticks on it. SpruceCaboose

And likewise, Sony could take the IP and have someone else develop it if they wanted to.

Its like Ensemble Studios. Either they are Microsoft, which they are until they finish Halo Wars. Or they are not. If they are not Microsoft, how could Microsoft shutter them?

yes sony can do that cos they are the owners of the IP due to the buy out BUT it doesnt change the fact that evolution studios are still the guys behind the actual game. UNLESS sony steps and helps out with the development with its own internal staff. like the new rpg demon souls which is a joint effort by scej and from software.

which is why i say only dead space is the game by EA itself cos they themselves with their own team at their own internal studios developed the game.

All of Sony's developers work for one of the internal companies. There are no "Sony developers" that just farm out, but they often do work closely together.

Its mentioned all the time in articles about how various internal studios often share people and assets when its needed. I believe Guerrilla Games even mentioned how they appreciated input from other teams when they started work on KZ2.

ok fair enough. i can understand what you are saying.

lets just agree that the recent efforts by EA have been better and i am really looking forward to dead space. game looks creepy as hell! :)

ok fair enough. i can understand what you are saying.

lets just agree that the recent efforts by EA have been better and i am really looking forward to dead space. game looks creepy as hell! :)

superjim42

I can agree to that. Now I just need money to get it.

this what I think EA qauility is here we will just go and buy all the good game devs. while madden is still garbage! man If i was the boss of EA I would have cut madden along time ago. I think I could run EA way better if i was ceo!!! My fan base would love me and my game devs would love me.blackdreamhunk

Without Madden, EA would lose millions upon millions, not to mention being in breach of contract with the NFL. Cutting Madden would be the single worst move EA could make.

[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"]this what I think EA qauility is here we will just go and buy all the good game devs. while madden is still garbage! man If i was the boss of EA I would have cut madden along time ago. I think I could run EA way better if i was ceo!!! My fan base would love me and my game devs would love me.SpruceCaboose

Without Madden, EA would lose millions upon millions, not to mention being in breach of contract with the NFL. Cutting Madden would be the single worst move EA could make.

another company I like to point out who has been sucky lately too is lucas arts. The only thing good they have produce of late is lego games. They should just work with the best game devs on the market to produce starwars tittles. then you know it will be good and make money.

You know harry potter game I think it was good thing it got delayed. This give the game devs more time to make a good qauility game. However EA is up set it was delayed. I say come on!These companies could learn from Blizzard.

look at all the superman games from DC they are garbage. If I was Dc I would be working with project offset or crytek for a superman game. If it was going to console I would get the best console game devs on the makett to porduce it. BUt being me I would go with intel and project offsets team and buy like blizzard or so hig profile game dev like will right or blizzard to over see the project. relase it for the pc fisrt then port to console knowing my game would be good and a hot seller. I would get the best writer moeny could buy too for the game. Maybe even borrow like a writer from smallvilee or something.

EA release and make some of the best games now, 2008 was a stellar year for them with great games like Tiger woods 09, Fifa 09, Dead Space, Mirrors edge. Red alert 3, Spore, the Sims 3, Burnout paradise, battlefield bad company, . Since Peter Moore joined the quality has gone up and up. People who hate EA now must also hate good games, and need to eat some serious crow because EA are a great company now for gamers.

Fact.

-NickJC1-

I still dont Like EA, you didnt change my mind at all. Why are you showing us a list of average games?

I've never hated EA, but they're down the line.

Every good product is generally cancelled out by a bad one.

I'm sorry, but I cannot support a company that treats its customers so poorly. Their market model for increasing average revenue per user is an underhanded tactic. This is clearly seen already in Spore where the majority of the game's content was cut to be released in expansion packs later on. There is also the supposed "piracy epidemic" that EA says they have to protect their interests with the most intrusive DRM program on the market: SecuROM.

I am boycotting all first-party games developed by EA, and am getting pretty close to boycotting second-party games as well. That and every game they release from now on with SecuROM. I have already had two DVD drives ruined by it before finally learning my lesson.

EA is a huge studio with a lot of developers, they are bound to put out some good games. FYI Burnout is made by Criterion, Battlefield and Mirrors Edge are Dice, Spore and Sims are Maxis. I give them credit for deadspace though, it stil doesn't change the fact a lot of their series have gone to crap, like MaddenCouth_

EA is a publisher they dont make games they publish and port games, and no EA has been making great games well before Peter came along.

Publishers dont deserve much credit for great games but if a game ends up feeling rushed and broken then you can blame the publishers... double standards, I know but what you have to understand letting a developer finish with enough time to bug check should be a standard by now.

When they aren't the only company making NFL licenced football games, maybe I'll stop hating them. Until then, they blow.heretrix

EA release and make some of the best games now, 2008 was a stellar year for them with great games like Tiger woods 09, Fifa 09, Dead Space, Mirrors edge. Red alert 3, Spore, the Sims 3, Burnout paradise, battlefield bad company, . Since Peter Moore joined the quality has gone up and up. People who hate EA now must also hate good games, and need to eat some serious crow because EA are a great company now for gamers.

Fact.

-NickJC1-

EA has made a lot of BAD games as well. Spore's hype was killed because of the security issue and more then have the people who own Spore now got it for FREE because of pirating. Red Alert 3 got delayed I thought. Battlefield Bad Company was average. Deep Space, Mirrors Edge and Burnout Paradise seem like the winning titles for EA. Tiger Woods wasn't too bad either. EA makes about 30+ titles a year, so some of them are going to be good. I wouldn't expect them all to be duds.

I didn't have anything against EA until I bought Madden 09 AP. That game should not of been $50. They are getting worse.DaBrainz

yet FIFA 09 is awesome

[QUOTE="heretrix"]When they aren't the only company making NFL licenced football games, maybe I'll stop hating them. Until then, they blow.Makari

Not really. EA game to the NFL with the offer, not the other way around. It sucks that there are no other football games out there besides Madden. Same goes for Nascar, NCAA Football, NCAA Basketball, etc.., etc... It sucks that you only have one choice. If that was the same way with cars and homes, I'd be pissed.

[QUOTE="Makari"][QUOTE="heretrix"]When they aren't the only company making NFL licenced football games, maybe I'll stop hating them. Until then, they blow.blackace

Not really. EA game to the NFL with the offer, not the other way around. It sucks that there are no other football games out there besides Madden. Same goes for Nascar, NCAA Football, NCAA Basketball, etc.., etc... It sucks that you only have one choice. If that was the same way with cars and homes, I'd be pissed.