What do you think is killing the gaming industry?

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#101 meetroid8
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Development costs will kill the gaming industry if they aren't checked. Sooner or later that CoD market bubble will bust, and what then?
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#102 i5750at4Ghz
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Development costs will kill the gaming industry if they aren't checked. Sooner or later that CoD market bubble will bust, and what then?meetroid8
Why would it bust? People still buy Mario, Madden, street fighter ect. As long as it adapts itself to the new consumer base it can last forever. Look at cheerios, same product since forever for me yet marketed and adapted to fit each generation.

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#103 fadersdream
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Development costs will kill the gaming industry if they aren't checked. Sooner or later that CoD market bubble will bust, and what then?meetroid8
Probably at that point people will go back and read the article that covered all this two days ago. Which said that gaming is actually cheaper now that market research has been as effective as it has been allowing for more finely focused games to target the mass market and generate higher profit margins which then covers the developmental costs of lesser known properties.
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#104 SpiritOfFire117
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I wasn't aware the industry was "dying" from anything.

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#106 Greyfeld
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Games have been selling better than ever, sorry but the industry isn't dying except for a few pricks trying to ruin it like pirates,hackers and poser gamers trying to claim every game should suit their needs and wants to the core.Ballroompirate

I giggle whenever I see somebody say that "games have been selling better than ever," then in the same breath try to blame the "shrinking industry" on piracy. I guess some people don't understand the irony.

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#107 Zurrur
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Nintendo is killing the gaming industry

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#108 YoshiYogurt
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In my personal opinion 1. the casual crap, on iphones and facebook. 2. Money hungry publishers. 3. Useless PC DRM that does the opposite of what it is intended for. Always online internet connection? Really? 4. Consoles becoming "media hubs". I'm calling out the 360 here. Nobody wants this, my live subscription runs out in 14 months or so, it probably won't be getting renewed.
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#109 i5750at4Ghz
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[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"]In my personal opinion 1. the casual crap, on iphones and facebook. 2. Money hungry publishers. 3. Useless PC DRM that does the opposite of what it is intended for. Always online internet connection? Really? 4. Consoles becoming "media hubs". I'm calling out the 360 here. Nobody wants this, my live subscription runs out in 14 months or so, it probably won't be getting renewed.

#4 makes you seems way out of the loop. Thats what makes live so great.
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#110 skrat_01
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It's not being killed. Previously it was publishers and the tendencies towards triple A. Thankfully those days are being smothered.
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#111 YoshiYogurt
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[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"]In my personal opinion 1. the casual crap, on iphones and facebook. 2. Money hungry publishers. 3. Useless PC DRM that does the opposite of what it is intended for. Always online internet connection? Really? 4. Consoles becoming "media hubs". I'm calling out the 360 here. Nobody wants this, my live subscription runs out in 14 months or so, it probably won't be getting renewed.i5750at4Ghz
#4 makes you seems way out of the loop. Thats what makes live so great.

You do have a point, but if i want to do all that stuff, I'll use my computer. I don't want to pay for something I already have. The best thing about live is cross-game chat. That's the reason I pay.

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#112 heretrix
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I'm killing the game industry.

Wasdie

You get a pass. You saved Crysis 2 for me.

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#113 carljohnson3456
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Pirates, hackers and companies like Gamestop selling used game in masses.
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#114 heretrix
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4. Consoles becoming "media hubs". I'm calling out the 360 here. Nobody wants this, my live subscription runs out in 14 months or so, it probably won't be getting renewed.YoshiYogurt

Millions of people disagree. Netflix is one of the most popular features of XBL.

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#115 carljohnson3456
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[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"] 4. Consoles becoming "media hubs". I'm calling out the 360 here. Nobody wants this, my live subscription runs out in 14 months or so, it probably won't be getting renewed.heretrix

Millions of people disagree. Netflix is one of the most popular features of XBL.

Yeah, no way is a console being a "media hub" hurting the game industry. If anything it's helping getting more consoles in more homes.
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#116 heretrix
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[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"] 4. Consoles becoming "media hubs". I'm calling out the 360 here. Nobody wants this, my live subscription runs out in 14 months or so, it probably won't be getting renewed.carljohnson3456

Millions of people disagree. Netflix is one of the most popular features of XBL.

Yeah, no way is a console being a "media hub" hurting the game industry. If anything it's helping getting more consoles in more homes.

Exactly.The recent changes with Netflix proves that.

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#117 deactivated-59d151f079814
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Graphics... And advertisements.. It seems like now a days the majority of funds are spent on making cutting edge graphics and promotions while shipping out extremely conservative changes in gameplay from its predecessors.. In the end of the day I want a game that I can play differently in multiple playthroughs with enough depth that I can play for dozens to hundreds of hours.. A game like Terraria I can do that for only $10 or even less, I could never have done that with something like God of War 3... But oh it was SOOO shiny!
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#118 deactivated-59d151f079814
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[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"][QUOTE="heretrix"]

Millions of people disagree. Netflix is one of the most popular features of XBL.

heretrix

Yeah, no way is a console being a "media hub" hurting the game industry. If anything it's helping getting more consoles in more homes.

Exactly.The recent changes with Netflix proves that.

Now if only Netflix would FREAKING fix their AWFUL PS3 UI for their service, its seriously like something I would expect from a 1990s service.. Not something in 2011.

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#119 carljohnson3456
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[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"] Yeah, no way is a console being a "media hub" hurting the game industry. If anything it's helping getting more consoles in more homes. sSubZerOo

Exactly.The recent changes with Netflix proves that.

Now if only Netflix would FREAKING fix their AWFUL PS3 UI for their service, its seriously like something I would expect from a 1990s service.. Not something in 2011.

I like the PS3 UI. Seemed like when it launched on the PS3 it got heavy praise as the best UI if I remember correctly.
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#120 TrapJak
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The gaming industry is not dieing....

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#121 austi722
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Personally, I believe it's developers focusing on being general and "accessible" as possible to get the most sales. They are going for the cawwadooty teenager/young adult audience when the age of the average gamer is 37 and they have been playing video games for 12 years.

Also, day one DLC and pre-order which allows developers to drum up sales without people even playing the game. So they can make a crappy product and still make money because so many people pre-ordered.

TankBusterJenn

O come on most gamers will be 1-19 you only actullay find people older is on the computer.

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#122 bbkkristian
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Casual Gamers... A poison to our industry. :x
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#123 deactivated-59d151f079814
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I like the PS3 UI. Seemed like when it launched on the PS3 it got heavy praise as the best UI if I remember correctly. carljohnson3456

Yeah they changed it though and now it sucks.. It does not have the on the fly menu of giving you a list of movies like it instantly any more.. Its search feature is AWFUL in only showing you 10 results.. You do not have a choice the majority of the time in looking for a very specific genre most times inless its suggestions from movies you have already seen.. You can not break down alphabetically of things like TV series which gives you a abstract number that does not cover the amount of series that they hav eon their database.. All things that can be easily done, isn't done.

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#124 PC360Wii
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Killing an industry thats bigger than its ever been, is now the biggest entertainment medium.... and is still predicted rapid growth compared to others? (Filme, Music ect) ... lol
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#125 TheLordHimself
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Nothing is 'killing' the games industry. It's thriving more now than it ever has.

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#126 Bruin1986
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[QUOTE="WreckEm711"]

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"] Very ironic that you say that about this gen, with all the copycats and all. I especifically bolded the worth "variety" for the reason of the lol. And I'm sure that my gaming library of all systems safe virtual boy and neo-geo is a lot more expansive than your but nice try anyways.

edo-tensei

Then let me shed some light that will AMAZE you.

Don't buy all the copycats.

The fact is that there are more than enough games in each genre to satisfy any gamer, instead of complaining over how many quality options people have to choose from, how about you pick the ones you want and be happy? Baw over whatever systems you own if you want, but there is variety this gen, and there is something for everyone.

I have about 17-18 different genres worth of games, with multiple very different games in most of those genres on my WII ALONE. If I can find that much quality variety on the WII and you can't find it this GENERATION, then you're not looking, plain and simple.

Yes, I've also stated that I've enjoyed this gen very much. But then I've also stated that I'm not going to turn a blind eye for the problems the industry is going through now. The fact that people are stating that the industry is "just fine" when ignoring issues like lack of originality compared to previous gens is a BIG problem.

...it isn't a problem. The gaming industry exists for one reason, and one reason only: to make money. It doesn't care about "creativity" or "artistic expression" or any other naive ideal. If increased creativity leads to higher revenue, THEN AND ONLY THEN does it actually matter. It's the same "problem" you see in other industries. The creator/developer of an entertainment product lives in fantasy land where money falls from the sky and creativity and wonder rule the day. The evil producer is deemed "greedy" and "selfish" by the fanbase because it has to exist in the real world, where money and appeasing shareholders is what matters.

Obviously, millions of people are enjoying the now "dumbed down" games. If they didn't enjoy them, they wouldn't buy them. If you choose to not purchase a game because it's "too casual", the producer doesn't care because hopefully multiple consumers will gladly fill your spot. Your opinion is no more valid that any single other game consumer, and they are showing what they enjoy with their pocket-book.

You see? It's easy to come across as sophisticated and non-conformist when you live in Narnia and choose ignore the less enviable aspects of this thing called "reality". If people show they want more creativity from reduced sales on current "casualized" games, THEN the lack of creativity will be a problem. On a side note, I do agree that the amount of redundancy and stagnation that major game releases are showing in recent years is unfortunate. I'd like nothing more than to have a plethora of big budget AAA titles that are hugely creative and unique, but I'm mature enough to understand why they don't exist.

The question was "what is killing the gaming industry", not "what do you personally feel is bad for it".

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#127 Weenski
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Maybe TC was hoping we'd all say 'used game sales are killing the industry'. The gaming industry isn's suffering any more than any other industry. Welcome to the Global Recession.
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#128 LegatoSkyheart
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You're killing the industry.

(not you personally, but YOU the consumer.)

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#129 carljohnson3456
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[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"]

I like the PS3 UI. Seemed like when it launched on the PS3 it got heavy praise as the best UI if I remember correctly. sSubZerOo

Yeah they changed it though and now it sucks.. It does not have the on the fly menu of giving you a list of movies like it instantly any more.. Its search feature is AWFUL in only showing you 10 results.. You do not have a choice the majority of the time in looking for a very specific genre most times inless its suggestions from movies you have already seen.. You can not break down alphabetically of things like TV series which gives you a abstract number that does not cover the amount of series that they hav eon their database.. All things that can be easily done, isn't done.

Good points. I got to experience the old UI for like 3 days before they changed it, lol.
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#130 AzatiS
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Lack of innovations Super milkage of same game over and over again ( 7 COD games in 1 gen? really?!!!! ) 10 years cycle life .. By any means if that occured since ATARI 2600 , today we would be on PSone ERA...imagine that for a moment..
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#131 deactivated-5b78379493e12
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Casual Gamers... A poison to our industry. :xbbkkristian

How exactly? And how is it "our" industry? You can argue who is more important, the consumers who buy, or the corporations who sell...

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#132 unrealtron
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Hippies.
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#133 LOXO7
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DLC. People pay for that crap? And they complain about the prices all the time, but yet pay for DLC. I don't get it.
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#134 drufeous
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Gimmicks like 3D and motion controls.

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#135 i5750at4Ghz
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DLC. People pay for that crap? And they complain about the prices all the time, but yet pay for DLC. I don't get it.LOXO7
Who complains?
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#136 LOXO7
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[QUOTE="LOXO7"]DLC. People pay for that crap? And they complain about the prices all the time, but yet pay for DLC. I don't get it.i5750at4Ghz
Who complains?

No one complains on the pricing of gaming? What was I thinking?
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#137 lucky_star
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EA.....

tmgwarrior72
Ive probably bought or played more EA games this gen than ever :S Whats killing the industry? I dont know if its dying but these things are hurting us gamers. Day one DLC, or DLC that should have made it to the disc. Its just milking. Also DRM that are for pirates but is only hurting the honest consumer.
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#138 deactivated-5cf4b2c19c4ab
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Hippies.unrealtron
I concur.
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#139 bri360
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TC and this thread.

Why would you do that TC...

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#140 joel_c17
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Hackers and media douchers
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#141 savagetwinkie
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The only thing that sucks about gaming now is dev teams and release schedules,

10 years a go a company could have 70 people, and bang out like 2-3 games a year,

Now with the complexity of game development skyrocketing, now we can have 70 people make 1 game, probably even outsourcing work or needing to expand... over the course of 2/3 years.

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#142 savagetwinkie
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[QUOTE="TankBusterJenn"]

Personally, I believe it's developers focusing on being general and "accessible" as possible to get the most sales. They are going for the cawwadooty teenager/young adult audience when the age of the average gamer is 37 and they have been playing video games for 12 years.

Also, day one DLC and pre-order which allows developers to drum up sales without people even playing the game. So they can make a crappy product and still make money because so many people pre-ordered.

austi722

O come on most gamers will be 1-19 you only actullay find people older is on the computer.

its probably the other way around, older people don't really have time for a computer, I got a career and my PC finds less and less time. Computers do take enough effort to be a massive pain in the ass when you don't have the time to deal with them.

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#143 savagetwinkie
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[QUOTE="dzaric"]

[QUOTE="TankBusterJenn"]

Personally, I believe it's developers focusing on being general and "accessible" as possible to get the most sales. They are going for the cawwadooty teenager/young adult audience when the age of the average gamer is 37 and they have been playing video games for 12 years.

Also, day one DLC and pre-order which allows developers to drum up sales without people even playing the game. So they can make a crappy product and still make money because so many people pre-ordered.

Javy03

Although i agree with all the points you made, IMO Its the constant blueprinted crap the keep chugging out to the point where creativity everything ends up being ether the same or greatly similar. Rarely does something come out that is new and fresh, and when it does those end up being the "great" games. But, creativity is a risk in this business, and this business, like many others, want to minimize the risk at the expense of creativity. This is a necessity to an extent, but i just feel that the industry at its present state has gone too long far with the same formulistic games, and that creativity is necessary at this point.

I disagree, I think with the addition of XBLA and PSN, indie and more creative games have been given a mass media audience that they never would have. Yes there is always risk involved but let's be real, creative out of the box games have and will always be rare. That is why they are OUT OF THE BOX type developers. New formulas are not easy to come by and at the end of the day we all just want to be entertained. I can easily enjoy GOW a very typical but enjoyable hack and slash just as much as ICO/Heavy Rain/other unique game. It's all about what I am in the mood for.

you can't really have creativity in large groups like this, there can be some that have the vision, but the problem is when you try to mobilize like 150 people to build your vision over the course of 2 years. I think a good example is peter from lionhead, he's got pretty good visions but generally these are all extremely difficult programming tasks. And trying to build a game along with fitting it into the schedule, you know they have have to ask themselves, how far are we going to be able to take this one idea and run with it, what about getting more levels in, what about some of the other ideas. Games are becoming more and more dynamic but the problem is you can only do so much. And the sheer amount of actual work you have to do, organize, and planning creativity is easily lost in the details.

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#144 l-lord
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Generism,consoles,lack of inovation. Gaming is dieing

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#145 gameking5000
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Lack of innovation and franchises that go for too long without actually creating something new.

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#146 G13RainbowSix
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Consoles are holding back everything atm... Also peoples obsession with graphics even though I am one of them :D

also sequels, and developers trying to one up eachother by copying eachother and adding 1 or 2 changes. I also think that we need a greater number of game engines. I am so sick of the U3 engine...

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#147 vashkey
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Gamers didn't even know the industry was in dire need of "innovation" until Nintendo started throwing the word around when they introduced the Wii.

To answer the question, nothing is killing the industry.

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#148 MirkoS77
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The internet certainly isn't helping.
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#149 junglist101
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Game developers rake in billions. It doesn't seem like anything is killing them to me...

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#150 Ballroompirate
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[QUOTE="heretrix"]

I don't think the industry is dying, but I do think that the asinine moves publishers are making to drain more money out of their customers while at the same time catering to an increasingly self entitled core customer base that doesn't feel like they should have to pay for anything but at the same time wanting large budget AAA games to entertain them could definitely kill it.

Everything sucks, All developers are overrated and every game is a rehash. It's effing depressing. If a game doesn't play like a broken 15 year old PC game it's dumbed down.

Jesus.

edo-tensei

But games ARE getting dumbed down. If you like refuse all you want lol.

HAHA games getting dumbed down oh man thats funny, stop living in the past.

This gen has flourished the WRPG market,FPS market,TPS market...pretty much every genre has improved from the previous gen except for maybe the JRPG crowd.