What does PC gaming need to "pwn" consoles?

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#51 gmaster456
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[QUOTE="ramonnl"]Consoles feels like one big community, all games connected with each other. Pc games feels all so disconnected, even with steam. Maybe if steam improve some more.

Someone who hasn't played a game on the PC in the last decade.
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#52 i5750at4Ghz
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[QUOTE="ramonnl"]Consoles feels like one big community, all games connected with each other. Pc games feels all so disconnected, even with steam. Maybe if steam improve some more.gmaster456
Someone who hasn't played a game on the PC in the last decade.

You're telling me PC gaming has even close to the community aspect of something like xbox live? Come on man, I like PC too, but thats just not the case. There are too many options on PC for that to ever happen. Vent, Team speak, Xfire, steam, skype ect.

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#53 skrat_01
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Why ask when you state your own reasons? Make a blog post.
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#54 skrat_01
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[QUOTE="gmaster456"][QUOTE="ramonnl"]Consoles feels like one big community, all games connected with each other. Pc games feels all so disconnected, even with steam. Maybe if steam improve some more.i5750at4Ghz

Someone who hasn't played a game on the PC in the last decade.

You're telling me PC gaming has even close to the community aspect of something like xbox live? Come on man, I like PC too, but thats just not the case. There are too many options on PC for that to ever happen. Vent, Team speak, Xfire, steam, skype ect.

It's beyond it, many games have their own dense microcosms of communities, and there's various social networks that branch.
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#55 CaseyWegner
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must we forget that this generation alone the pc has more high scoring exclusives (8.0+) than all three consoles combined?

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#56 gmaster456
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must we forget that this generation alone the pc has more high scoring exclusives (8.0+) than all three consoles combined?

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The console only gamers tend to "forget" that bit of information :P
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#57 supdotcom
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its already pwned consoles. doesn't need to do anything else.

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#58 TheMoreYouOwn
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Good games?
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#59 gmaster456
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Good games?TheMoreYouOwn
Oh please :roll:
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#60 lundy86_4
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Good games?TheMoreYouOwn

That's it? Really? Yes, the PC has no good games... Honestly, excuses used to be more though out.

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#62 Mr_Cumberdale
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It just needs a wide variety of good games.
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#63 hypoty
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It just needs a wide variety of good games.Mr_Cumberdale

So it's already pwning consoles then?

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#64 JohnF111
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I'd also like to see better linux support and games designed for Open GL as Windows practically owns the gaming world or they're rather close to doing so, developers are now even dropping OpenGL support which the support itself is rather poor, when my graphics card mucked up i was using the built in OpenGL support for WoW and it was as smooth as silk and i decided to just keep it on its a great platform for developing and lots of places argue that it is better and more efficient than DirectX. As for games i also agree i want games that truely show what modern technology can produce the only thing is they are mostly demos and the better PCs are a tiny portion of the market so why spend millions catering to the 0.1%? BF3 seems to be one of very few games that has the native ability to be built for high end hardware, also Crysis and couple others like Civ 5 but thats a badly optimized mess half the time.
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#65 JIGGADOG420
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pc already owns consoles it just need's some more exclusive games like crysis lol not low quality ones. and steam need's a chatbox below the server list for their games. you feel lonely lol or alone playing on steam.
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#67 Wiimotefan
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[QUOTE="Mr_Cumberdale"]It just needs a wide variety of good games.hypoty

So it's already pwning consoles then?

He seems to think the PC library is a handful of shooters and an rts.

He also claims that PC gaming is not good because PCs are not specifically designed for games lol.

So dont bother.

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#68 flashn00b
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Personally, I think that we need to see some critically-acclaimed console games ported to the PC before the console gamers even see a computer as a gaming platform. That practically translates to "Gabe, if you're going to delay HL2Ep3, at least use that money to save PC gaming!"

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#69 mitu123
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Some of these would hold PC gaming back.:?

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#70 dontshackzmii
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No windows its slow and adds like 120$ more to the cost of the system. use cloud gaming so people dont have to worry about hardware specs. When i worked retail i was amazed how so many people knew next to nothing about tehconlogy. Only time these people upgrade is when they buy a whole new machine. Plus this don't even know what makes there new pc better then the old one.

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#71 SajuukSW
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"Standard hardware" coupled with a "standardized / universal" online system? Sorry, but my PC is not a console, and i don't want it to become one
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#72 DragonfireXZ95
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The Witcher 2 is not a big game, it had a budget of around 8 million dollars. I beat half the game before the first patch was out(then it released and of course I downloaded it, but I could have just continued without it), how is that unplayable?
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#73 mitu123
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[QUOTE="ramonnl"]Consoles feels like one big community, all games connected with each other. Pc games feels all so disconnected, even with steam. Maybe if steam improve some more.

Steam is better than Xbox Live and PSN.
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#74 Filthybastrd
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[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]

[QUOTE="Jebus213"]

Is there any real reason why Windows needs to use twice the resources with every OS release? The day they make Steam for linux is the day I say good bye to Windows.

Jebus213

You might want to do some research on that claim.. I do believe a easy example is that windows 7 runs with less resources then Vista. Defeats that theory.

But does it really need to use more then 1.2GB of RAM anyway? On idle?

It's not using the RAM because it needs to as much as it's putting your memory to good use, instead of just letting it sit idle.

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#75 campzor
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neither pc or consoles can pwn each other... each have their strengths and weaknesses... both have games the other cant play.... in fact in my top 10... its a mixed bag of pc and consoles games....... so no one wins!!!
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#76 mztazmz
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How can 2011 hardware not own 2005 hardware?DroidPhysX

1) not all PC's in existence were built in 2011

2) the TC specifically said to state things that are not already true

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#77 mztazmz
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neither pc or consoles can pwn each other... each have their strengths and weaknesses... both have games the other cant play.... in fact in my top 10... its a mixed bag of pc and consoles games....... so no one wins!!!campzor

THIS is very true, although most PC gamers will say that graphics are all that matter:(

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#78 SajuukSW
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[QUOTE="campzor"]neither pc or consoles can pwn each other... each have their strengths and weaknesses... both have games the other cant play.... in fact in my top 10... its a mixed bag of pc and consoles games....... so no one wins!!!mztazmz

THIS is very true, although most PC gamers will say that graphics are all that matter:(

That would explain why the most successful and popular games on PC are some of the least graphically advanced...
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#79 jedikevin2
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[QUOTE="campzor"]neither pc or consoles can pwn each other... each have their strengths and weaknesses... both have games the other cant play.... in fact in my top 10... its a mixed bag of pc and consoles games....... so no one wins!!!mztazmz

THIS is very true, although most PC gamers will say that graphics are all that matter:(

Random generalization I see.. Let me go ahead and state, "Most Pc gamers will not say graphics are all that matter"........ (generalization vs Generalization)

[spoiler] [/spoiler]

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#80 savagetwinkie
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you know whats funny about all these things you mentioned, they were solved when someone conceived a console....by standardizing as much as possible, devs involved with it can focus on 1 platform, 1 code base, 1 test case, 1 simpliefied OS, and a definitive audience that can use their software being developed. For users they get the universal profile, software guranteed to run on it, a much more stable platform
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#81 savagetwinkie
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[QUOTE="Jebus213"]

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

EDIT: Windows doesn't suck. Windows is perfectly fine. No need to push a new OS that'd only drive away customers.

jedikevin2

Is there any real reason why Windows needs to use twice the resources with every OS release? The day they make Steam for linux is the day I say good bye to Windows.

You might want to do some research on that claim.. I do believe a easy example is that windows 7 runs with less resources then Vista. Defeats that theory.

actually the OS does a prefetch of programs you normally use. The concept that went behind vista and 7 are try to utilize as much ram as possible to speed everything up.

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#82 Inconsistancy
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No windows its slow and adds like 120$ more to the cost of the system. use cloud gaming so people dont have to worry about hardware specs. When i worked retail i was amazed how so many people knew next to nothing about tehconlogy. Only time these people upgrade is when they buy a whole new machine. Plus this don't even know what makes there new pc better then the old one.

dontshackzmii

Latency, input lag, bandwidth, and caps. They also don't yet render at the maximum quality, there's compression, capture frame rate.. whole lotta things get in the way of the render being anyway near as good as the real deal.

I'd say, it'd be wonderful if games supported Linux (were OpenGL..) then the OS is free, but for now, clouds suck.

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#83 kraken2109
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Half of those points are just trying to make PC a console. The best thing about pc is that it's open and you can do what you want. If i want a console experience, i'll play on my PS3. I like my PC how it is.

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#84 Birdy09
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[QUOTE="Birdy09"][QUOTE="Kiyobear"]

If Steam continues on as a juggernaut we may end up with a closed platform.

lowe0

Steam is ridiculously overated here if anything ever was, yes the deals are good but I just use it to buy games, it never offers any other function thats worthwhile. its just a store to me, with a bad UI and a poor feature set.

Huh? Steam is by far the best thing PC gaming has going for it. In one place, you get: Authentication (for Steamworks games) Friends list Voice over IP DLC store On top of that, they're trying to integrate features like a launcher with a controller-friendly interface and one-touch driver updates for common gaming hardware. I love Steam, and if every single game I'm interested in handled everything through Steam, I'd be a lot more interested in PC gaming. I appreciate their efforts to enhance the user experience instead of just accepting the status quo.

Authentication? why do I care? I love having to re-use my email to get unlock passwords when switch between my PC and Laptop :roll: even when it shouldnt it still does.

Freinds list? You mean like the million other ones? built into most games, most other gaming software, and normal social software. my freinds list is skype.... I Dont need that intrusive overlay during games.

Voice over IP .... again why would I use that? I have skype.

DLC store? .... joke?

As far as drivers go.... I dont get it, I get immediate alerts of Graphics card updates, and most game updates are shown ingame, very rarely are they not... are you still PC gaming in the 90s early 2000?

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#85 Pray_to_me
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No matter what people tell you it's still inconvienent to use a PC from a couch.

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#86 VanDammFan
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How can 2011 hardware not own 2005 hardware?DroidPhysX

So because something is "newer" automatically makes it better?

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#87 milannoir
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No matter what people tell you it's still inconvienent to use a PC from a couch.

Pray_to_me

Not if you're playing with a controller :P

Not that I care, since I actually prefer gaming with my 24"" 1920x1080 monitor, in my gaming-dedicated room. And it's very comfortable in here!

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#88 Birdy09
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No matter what people tell you it's still inconvienent to use a PC from a couch.

Pray_to_me
I can agree with this, ive tried it, its rather bad. But then I prefer to be at a desk anyway, even with console games, im more alert, dont feel like a slob and can see finer detail quicker on the screen.
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#89 Heil68
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Nothing really. I'm perfectly fin with the way it is and it's my preferred platform.
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#90 VanDammFan
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No matter what people tell you it's still inconvienent to use a PC from a couch.

Pray_to_me

YEP...m/k are meant for a desk and to be used sitting upright. AND a gamepad does not work as well on pc as console so no argument there.

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#91 harry_james_pot  Moderator
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more standardized hardware. Currently PC gaming consists of a whole lot of different configurations and obviously it's hard to develop for every different PC out there. So what there would need to be is a "rounded-up" configuration that would be seen as a standard. Of course games could still utilize the extra power (or run on worse hardware) but that would be up to the devs.nameless12345
You mean turn it into a console? no thanks.
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#92 jedikevin2
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No matter what people tell you it's still inconvienent to use a PC from a couch.

Pray_to_me

Care to explain... Inconvient is a response for each person. I use wireless keyboards and mouse and love them. Why is it inconvienent for me? Random Generalization with a random fallacy thrown in...

FYI.. just because you do not like it does not dictate others won't or that "no matter what people say its ____"... Why are you throwing your opinion as facts?

Guess I should simplify what your comment actually came off as...

[spoiler] [/spoiler]

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#93 plain_blue
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I don't think PC should pawn console, but yeah, I'd be glad if companies would make their games for PC first (in case they make it available for PC at all) and then they would port them to consoles, but most of these are business decisions. And if we treat it this way, the questions is: How could the PC-scene be a better market for games than consoles. But whereas consoles were made for gaming, PCs meant to do a lot more. PC has lot more advance in general, but it can't beat consoles on their own battleground (that doesn't mean PC is not better for gaming, it's just that console serves the average customer better).
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#94 AmazonTreeBoa
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Let's try to leave out answers like "it already did" and try to look at what the PC would need to give the consoles a run for their money:

nameless12345

I stopped reading right there. PC doesn't have to change a thing to give consoles a run for their money. PC already owns consoles.

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#95 MK-Professor
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but PC gaming already pwn consoles 8)

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#96 mariokart64fan
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how because hardware is only a tool ,

it cant beat at least one companies, but the hd twins are just poor mans pcs , lol so ya yall decide but leaving nintnedo out of this would be the very smart thing to do because no where can you play mariokart zelda metroid among others or get the unique features nintendo brings to the table , legally , so that means ya ya know dont even start , oh my pc can play all of those , cause legally it can not

but it needs exclusives thats what pc needs, if it dont get any besides fpses all the time ,, or sims , or 1 game a yr , it wont beat 360 or ps3 period

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#97 AvIdGaMeR444
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PC games owns console games in graphics, ability to do mods, and RTS games. Everything else...not so much.

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[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Birdy09"] Steam is ridiculously overated here if anything ever was, yes the deals are good but I just use it to buy games, it never offers any other function thats worthwhile. its just a store to me, with a bad UI and a poor feature set.Birdy09

Huh? Steam is by far the best thing PC gaming has going for it. In one place, you get: Authentication (for Steamworks games) Friends list Voice over IP DLC store On top of that, they're trying to integrate features like a launcher with a controller-friendly interface and one-touch driver updates for common gaming hardware. I love Steam, and if every single game I'm interested in handled everything through Steam, I'd be a lot more interested in PC gaming. I appreciate their efforts to enhance the user experience instead of just accepting the status quo.

Authentication? why do I care? I love having to re-use my email to get unlock passwords when switch between my PC and Laptop :roll: even when it shouldnt it still does.

Freinds list? You mean like the million other ones? built into most games, most other gaming software, and normal social software. my freinds list is skype.... I Dont need that intrusive overlay during games.

Voice over IP .... again why would I use that? I have skype.

DLC store? .... joke?

As far as drivers go.... I dont get it, I get immediate alerts of Graphics card updates, and most game updates are shown ingame, very rarely are they not... are you still PC gaming in the 90s early 2000?

Yes, authentication. Why do I need to have a Steam account, a Gamespy account, an EA account, a GfW Live account, and who knows what other accounts I've forgotten about over the years? Consoles can do everything from one account. Why shouldn't PCs? Friends list: following from authentication, how do you know that Lowe0 at EA is the same as Lowe0 on Steam? More importantly, if someone has already friended me in one game, why shouldn't they see me in every other game? If someone mutes me in game, why shouldn't I be muted in every other game automatically? Consoles solve all of these problems by having a single identity across the entire platform. Why shouldn't PCs? Voice over IP: by making it a library that integrates into the game, developers can leverage voice as part of their game design. Squads can automatically get a channel set up the instant they're created, and players can automatically be connected to the right channel as they join or switch squads. Voice can be used as part of gameplay; say, playing local voice to alert enemies that a chatty squad is incoming, or disabling voice due to interference equipment deployed by an opposing player. DLC store: no, not a joke. If it's good, professionally-created content that I see value in, I have no problem with spending a few bucks for it. Drivers, updates, etc.: my graphics card has auto-update, my sound card has auto-update, and my mouse and keyboard supposedly have it (though it doesn't seem to work), but that's it. My network card and chipset don't. Besides, why should I even get an alert? Why isn't it just taken care of for me? Steam is already capable of doing this for games; I'd like to see it do so for the rest of my system as well.
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#100 Kanden15
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[QUOTE="nameless12345"] Let's try to leave out answers like "it already did" and try to look at what the PC would need to give the consoles a run for their money: - better OS. Windows just plain sucks. Linux is free and far better. Sure, it doesn't support DirectX, but look at what PS3 and Wii deliver under OpenGL for their respective hardware. [color=red]As a Vista user, I may be one of the only people in the world to say I have really never had any problems at fault of the OS and not by the stupid people I live with.[/color] - more multiplats. It's discouraging that big multiplat games like L.A. Noire and RDR don't come to the PC platform. [color=red]Yeah, lol, almost as if we didn't want them ourselves. It's up to the devs, and contractors at Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo.[/color] - more standardized hardware. Currently PC gaming consists of a whole lot of different configurations and obviously it's hard to develop for every different PC out there. So what there would need to be is a "rounded-up" configuration that would be seen as a standard. Of course games could still utilize the extra power (or run on worse hardware) but that would be up to the devs. 100% gamepad support is a must too. [color=red]Are you saying you want PCs to be like consoles, all with the exact same hardware? Also, you can completely alter configs for just about every game PC has to offer, if that's what you're talking about. If a dev makes one that's hard to configure, too bad. If you can't understand how to use a .cfg, too bad. And if you play with a gamepad amongst people with a mouse and keyboard, you. Will. Die.[/color] - more games that trully take advantage of the PC platform. That doesn't mean just a little supped-up console ports but games that really are much better on the PC platform. If it worked out several years ago it could now too. [color=red]Sure is a shame that people develop games on the PC, put it on a console, and then port it back to PC. Besides, any game that lets you use a mouse and a custom key configuration is better than its console counterpart in my books (granted it isn't full of bugs and they didn't playtest).[/color] - more advertising. Publishers should advertise the PC versions as the best. [color=red]Why, so console kiddies go and buy PC games unknowing that their system can't handle it? I thought we were already implying that people don't know much about PCs. Steam is all the adverts games need (for exclusives; multiplatformers take care of themselves).[/color] - more sequels to c.lassic PC games. I'm talking games like Magic Carpet, Ultima Underword, Discworld and so on. Of course these games could also be for the consoles but the focus should be on the PC versions. [color=red]Yes, because that's what people are playing nowadays.[/color] - a standardized online service. Xbox has Live, Sony has PSN but the PC has nothing like that. Maybe Stream comes close but it needs to expand to be comparable. [color=red]Steam is pretty much what you speak of. Sure, people buy games with other clients, but who the hell honestly uses EADM or Games for Windows Marketplace?[/color] - much less buggy games, compatibility issues and protection problems. That's really what I think is the biggest problem with PC gaming. Even big PC games like The Witcher are a "buggy mess" when they are released and you have to wait for patches to make the game playlable. I'm sure this turns off many from PC gaming too. [color=red]You have to wait for patches on buggy console games too, pally. ;)[/color] And lastly: the platform needs something to attract the masses to game on it. The Wii has the Wiimote, the 360 has the Kinect and the PS3 has the Move. What does the PC have? I think it needs something like that too if it wants to attract people who aren't really into games. [color=red]Well, if what the PC has isn't the mouse and keyboard, then... then you're implying motion control... nononononononono[/color]

About the only thing I agree on is your take on multiplatform games.