What does Square Enix need to do to win you back?

For me,they need to make better RPGs.

Maybe another Chrono game...

And take risks,develop more different games.

No,i'm not gonna say remakes of old FF games.

Chrono Trigger HD. Make it happen.

Bring back Yasumi Matsuno.

They need to stay away from Chrono Trigger until they prove they can make decent rpg's again.

What they need to do is go back to their roots. What's with the characters names being very dumb? Lightning, storm, blah blah.

I want another final fantasy 2D similar to #6. Different characters have different abilities. They have cool real life names. They look cool. The little time bar for turn based battles like in FF 4 and Chrono Trigger need to come back. They need to bring back similar world progression and exploration as in #4 or #6. Bring in dungeon puzzles we all love. All the different classes like blue mage, red mage, paladin ect.

But no, we get FF13 number 200 instead. F U Square Enix.

They've been doing quite well as a publisher actually, funding studios to take on risky titles like Deux Ex HR and Sleeping Dogs, amongst more recent titles. As a developer, they need to think fresh on creating new jRPG IPs. They're milking the FFXIII world too hard: FF games have always been different stories to be told, and they've spent the entire generation dwelling in FFXIII's. Square isn't lost quite yet: they can easily recover with a single good game developed in-house: listening to fans regarding KH3 or FFVXIII wouldn't hurt them either.Brainhunter

Yeah,that.

Be a little smarter about announcing games early in development. I

honestly feel like a game shouldn't be announced if it has over a year and a half to release.

A proper sequel to Chrono Trigger.

Just do what they did throughout the 90s.

Make great games in a reasonable amount of time. 2-3 year development cycles that yield gold.

I know they've always been about the tech, but it wasn't always at the top of their priorities. If they have to tone the graphics down to deliver a better game with more content then so be it.

Beyond that, they need to quit thinking that their sh*t doesn't stink. The writing continues to get worse and worse. The stories continue to get more pretentious and pseudo-intellectual. They take themselves far too seriously. Lighten up and come back down to earth, or hit the streets. When millions of your fans get a bad taste in their mouths maybe your "artistic vision" isn't all that.

And please god, put a tight leash on Nomura, or tell him to move on. Some people are more useful when they under someone elses guidance, or have a strong counter-voice. Nomura is one of those people. His designs suck. Both his character designs and his game design. Hes an extremely talented individual, but he should not have full reign the he does.

Basically it all boils down to this. SE needs firm management with a clear sense of direction. It would alleviate all of their issues.

They're still fine developers in my eyes. It's not really their fault that JRPGs aren't the "flavor of the month" anymore. And in fact, they've done more to evolve the genre toward being more modern and streamlined than any other developer I can think of. (Maybe Monolithsoft being the one exception)

They could stop with all of the milking of XIII, though. It wasn't that great, Square. Move on.

Edit: I agree with Conan on his points about the quality of writing being in decline, and doubly so for everything said regarding Nomura.:lol:

they havent loss me. I still enjoy thier games. Though i dont know why they focused on 13 so much. I still had fun wuth 13 and 13-2 but something els would have been nice. Also like someone els said learn to announce games that are actually close to being done.

is not about win me back because I'm not a fanboy of companies. If they make a game that I like then I will buy it and that is it. I bought FF13 day 1 though but I really had no idea the game was going to be like that... I didn't even read reviews to not spoil anything but after playing it myself this was the first FF game in my life that I couldn't wait to beat just to give it in trade-in at GameStop because it was that bad. Prior to that I was going to throw it to the trash (where it belongs) but then I remembered that I could get something out of it by trading it.

It's not really their fault that JRPGs aren't the "flavor of the month" anymore.

Assassin_87

In a way it actually is. They brought JRPGs into the mainstream. Now it seems they're doing their best to take them out.

If they were still making games that could stand toe to toe with their older achievements (within reasonable amounts of time), JRPGs wouldn't be in the sh*tter right now.

Not saying that they carry all jrpgs on their shoulders, but even back then they were really the only ones western gamers bought into.

In a way it actually is. They brought JRPGs into the mainstream. Now it seems they're doing their best to take them out.

If they were still making games that could stand toe to toe with their older achievements (within reasonable amounts of time), JRPGs wouldn't be in the sh*tter right now.

ConanTheStoner

White Engine really trapped them into those FFXIII games. Easy to reuse and easy profit to help recoup from FFXIV. Next gen will be so nice since it will more or less "reset" a lot of companies, SE included. Hopefully they take this gen as a "lesson learned" and get back in the business of making JRPGs like we saw on PS1/PS2.

I don't know if I agree that it is their fault, even "in a way". But I guess I see your perspective on this. Realistically, it's not as if FFXIII was some monumental failure of the caliber that it should sink an entire series/genre, and XII was one of the finest games in the series from where I'm standing. Gamers are fickle though, and will rewrite and exaggerate the history of our beloved industry to suit the stories they want to tell or believe.

Assassin_87

I know right?

Ppl blow out of proportions everything...

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In a way it actually is. They brought JRPGs into the mainstream. Now it seems they're doing their best to take them out.

If they were still making games that could stand toe to toe with their older achievements (within reasonable amounts of time), JRPGs wouldn't be in the sh*tter right now.

Assassin_87

True enough. And I agree XII was a fine game. And MASSIVE. I enjoyed it a lot.

Just considering how frequently they would put out awesome games in the past it seems like they've been up to no good for so long.

I really disliked XIII. And its the only big single player rpg we've gotten from them this gen. When I look at it and think that the last really great console game they made was 7 years ago it puts me in a bad mood. :x

Since they are a JRPG company. I want a JRPG without all the bs that comes with me playing a JRPG. less fluff, less hand holding, less anime bullsh1t, better pacing, better sense of variety, more elaborate uses of their usually fantastic battle systems with all the customization options I've gotten used to over the years, and a properly done game. I don't need 60 hours of fluff like rpg fans do because to them doing something routine for 60 hours is fun. I want something well done. If you only came up with 10 hours of ideas and story. It better be 10 hours, and not 40 in which you wasted my 30 hours of my precious life. jg4xchamp

Just do what they did throughout the 90s.

Make great games in a reasonable amount of time. 2-3 year development cycles that yield gold.

I know they've always been about the tech, but it wasn't always at the top of their priorities. If they have to tone the graphics down to deliver a better game with more content then so be it.

Beyond that, they need to quit thinking that their sh*t doesn't stink. The writing continues to get worse and worse. The stories continue to get more pretentious and pseudo-intellectual. They take themselves far too seriously. Lighten up and come back down to earth, or hit the streets. When millions of your fans get a bad taste in their mouths maybe your "artistic vision" isn't all that.

And please god, put a tight leash on Nomura, or tell him to move on. Some people are more useful when they under someone elses guidance, or have a strong counter-voice. Nomura is one of those people. His designs suck. Both his character designs and his game design. Hes an extremely talented individual, but he should not have full reign the he does.

Basically it all boils down to this. SE needs firm management with a clear sense of direction. It would alleviate all of their issues.

ConanTheStoner

FF7 REMAKE

Nothing, they still make quality games that I enjoy. Lucky for me I'm an importer and currently studying Japanese.

for starters, they could think about how their games play. yeah, combat systems are important for traditional jrpg's and there is no getting around that. however, they shouldn't make a 30 hour game about moving from one battle to the next with cut-scenes in the middle. there has to be another layer and they've made one in the past with towns and (occasionally) a well designed overworld. i don't care if it's not the best looking thing on consoles. i'll take good design.

for bonus points, they could lose their fetish with cinematics. SE has a bad history of piling up hours of cut-scenes over a gibberish plot, and sacrificing good design for it's pacing no less, all to justify a flashy effects sequence. if i wanted that, i'd watch a movie that isn't shackled by mass consumer hardware.

FF7 REMAKE

Obviously_Right

I honestly think this would only serve to piss people off.

If they change too much then people will hate it.

If they put out the same game, but with up to date graphics many people will see that FFVII really isnt all that great and be sorely disappointed. Amazing for its time, but sub-standard in every way these days.

NOBODY will be happy with the voice acting lol. And I imagine instead of being true to the game, SE will go full fan service and make it tough to stomach.

If they do remake it I would only want a visual upgrade with bug fixes. Keep the set camera angles, keep with the matte painted backgrounds (redone of course), even leave voice acting out altogether. Just give me the original game, but make it look amazing!

I'm sure most fans would disagree though and SE probably wouldn't go that route anyways.

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FF7 REMAKE

ConanTheStoner

I honestly think this would only serve to piss people off.

If they change too much then people will hate it.

If they put out the same game, but with up to date graphics many people will see that FFVII really isnt all that great and be sorely disappointed. Amazing for its time, but sub-standard in every way these days.

NOBODY will be happy with the voice acting lol. And I imagine instead of being true to the game, SE will go full fan service and make it tough to stomach.

If they do remake it I would only want a visual upgrade with bug fixes. Keep the set camera angles, keep with the matte painted backgrounds (redone of course), even leave voice acting out altogether. Just give me the original game, but make it look amazing!

I'm sure most fans would disagree though and SE probably wouldn't go that route anyways.

Good post.

I agree 100%

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FF7 REMAKE

ConanTheStoner

I honestly think this would only serve to piss people off.

If they change too much then people will hate it.

If they put out the same game, but with up to date graphics many people will see that FFVII really isnt all that great and be sorely disappointed. Amazing for its time, but sub-standard in every way these days.

NOBODY will be happy with the voice acting lol. And I imagine instead of being true to the game, SE will go full fan service and make it tough to stomach.

If they do remake it I would only want a visual upgrade with bug fixes. Keep the set camera angles, keep with the matte painted backgrounds (redone of course), even leave voice acting out altogether. Just give me the original game, but make it look amazing!

I'm sure most fans would disagree though and SE probably wouldn't go that route anyways.

I feel the same way about an FFVI remake. Nostalgia fans would be in for a shock when they realise the game isn't all that. Although at least it wouldn't have to deal with the possibility of story changes on a scale that FFVII would have considering the butchering crisis core/dirge of cerberus did to ffvii.

It always baffles me how much people want to Square to make FF remakes.

Just let them make a good new game. I would love to play another Final Fantasy like 6/7/8/9

I feel the same way about an FFVI remake. Nostalgia fans would be in for a shock when they realise the game isn't all that. Although at least it wouldn't have to deal with the possibility of story changes on a scale that FFVII would have considering the butchering crisis core/dirge of cerberus did to ffvii.

Sphire

It always baffles me how much people want to Square to make FF remakes.

Just let them make a good new game. I would love to play another Final Fantasy like 6/7/8/9

Sagem28

Would it kill them to make another Superme commander?

For me,they need to make better RPGs.

Maybe another Chrono game...

And take risks,develop more different games.

No,i'm not gonna say remakes of old FF games.

GreekGameManiac

If this gen showed anything, it is that wince Western developers came into their own, Japanese style gaming has fallen out of favor with Western style games. I don't think SE can do anything to fix that - the last FF game was pretty good, IMO. Still, I had a lot more fun playing Dragon Age, Elder Scroll, and Mass Effect games.

Make good games?

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For me,they need to make better RPGs.

Maybe another Chrono game...

And take risks,develop more different games.

No,i'm not gonna say remakes of old FF games.

StormyJoe

If this gen showed anything, it is that wince Western developers came into their own, Japanese style gaming has fallen out of favor with Western style games. I don't think SE can do anything to fix that - the last FF game was pretty good, IMO. Still, I had a lot more fun playing Dragon Age, Elder Scroll, and Mass Effect games.

Star Ocean Till the End of Time is closer to the Western Genre than most of their recent attempts.

They need to make games in the first-person perspective with big explosions and powerful weaponry.

Stop making MMOs and mobile games

"What does Square Enix need to do to win you back?"

Modernize and tell good stories again.

Give me tons of info and media on FF VS XIII and make it live up to the hype, showing off an open world, beautiful graphics, amazing story, and the return of FF and JRPG's (not to say JRPG's are dead or anything, but you know).

I have always loved the art and all the media shown on VS XIII, so I hope it is as good as it could be.

Localize Bravely Default and get rid of lightning. King_Dodongo

I forgot about Bravely Default. Localizing this would be awesome!

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FF7 REMAKE

ConanTheStoner

I honestly think this would only serve to piss people off.

If they change too much then people will hate it.

If they put out the same game, but with up to date graphics many people will see that FFVII really isnt all that great and be sorely disappointed. Amazing for its time, but sub-standard in every way these days.

NOBODY will be happy with the voice acting lol. And I imagine instead of being true to the game, SE will go full fan service and make it tough to stomach.

If they do remake it I would only want a visual upgrade with bug fixes. Keep the set camera angles, keep with the matte painted backgrounds (redone of course), even leave voice acting out altogether. Just give me the original game, but make it look amazing!

I'm sure most fans would disagree though and SE probably wouldn't go that route anyways.

yeah I disagree, there are some games when I replay years after I wondered what ai liked about them in the first place or it wasn't has good as remember, but I didn't have that problem with FF VII. I still think it's combat system is one of the best ever made. I still don't want a remake though, I want to play new games not old ones. FF XIII was the first major title that I hated, every one can have a bad game.