What "failed" systems did you buy, and did you end up enjoying them?

@last_lap: The Dreamcast definitely had some great games for sure and had some cool features as well such as the VMU and online connectivity. However it had abysmal sales and was quite literally the final home console for Sega. Like you said it was only on the market for two years. It’s kind of the very definition of a failed system in my book.

I also put the Wii U on my list as well. It was another technically sound system that had a number of great games and cool features. Much like the Dreamcast. It had abysmally low sales and not much impact in gaming in general but was around much longer then the Dreamcast.

All these factors are weighted and have merit when considering if a system has or hasn’t failed. If not then you may as well just say that every system after the PS2 has “failed”, until the Switch outsells it if it hasn’t already.

Xbox One - Did i end up enjoying it, not really. I only bought it because of my diagnosis, same with the Playstation. However i was more against buying the X1 because it had very few games on it and the only one that interested me was the Halo franchise as i had played 1 and 2 on the PC back in the early days. Anyways a few months later they made the announcement of the Halo collection being on the PC so i was pretty angry about it and didn't play it for like 2 years.

I've started playing it again a year plus ago, however i feel like it's a step backwards, specially as you can't change your email address so from my point of view, if you get hacked or want to delete your old email address, you lose your account which is awful. I'm not 100% in to the gamepass tbh, i feel like PS+ slightly wins atm as it for me has more interesting games. That being said i never had the 360 so i can't say what it was like. That being said, when the new PS+ changes was released, then yeah, i would easily say that maybe gamepass would have been better despite never ever using it until a while ago. But now the PS+E&P has more games, i'm certainly enjoying it a little more than i did when it first came out.

The N64 was a failure, it sold less than its predecessor, regardless of the games or that Nintendo continued on. Time to face the facts.

@Archangel3371: Dreamcast was a failure, no doubt, even though it had better games than the N64, so games are irrelevant.

The N64 didn't sell anywhere near as well as its predecessor (20+ million less in a growing market) so it's a failure, you're just using different metrics for different consoles.

N64 is a failure, simple as that.

I don't know how to say this, i am not pleased at admitting it, and i do hope that sealionact doesn't see my post, but i am beginning to think that the answer to the threads question is the PS5. Trust me, i don't want to say this, but after seeing the woke ass Wolverine game, i dunno bro, i see Disney where i see Sony, and that's not good.

@last_lap: Games are not irrelevant, never said that. N64 had better games then the Dreamcast though. Mario 64 and The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time are two of the greatest games of all time. N64 was on the market for the entirety of the generation. Dreamcast was done and dusted after two years and ended Sega as a console manufacturer.

I’m using the same metrics for all systems which is a combination of sales, games, and impact on the industry.

@Archangel3371: Nah the Dreamcast had better games overall. Games are irrelevant though, because if games mattered then the Dreamcast would go down as a success.

I already stated that the Dreamcast was a failure, you just need to accept that the N64 was also.

@last_lap: Never said that you didn’t say that the Dreamcast was a failure. Just pointing out why I said it was a failure.

I think that the N64 had the better games just with Mario 64, Ocarina of Time, Mario Kart 64, and Banjo-Kazooie alone.

You just need to accept that I have my metrics for which I consider a system as “failed”. 🤷‍♂️

Vita is probably the only truly "failed" system i owned, and I enjoyed it. 3DS library was better, but i think I enjoyed the Vita about the same if not more. Hardware was vastly superior. Although I"m not a huge handheld gamer. I doubt I played more than 20 or so "full" games on either system, so the limited library on Vita never got to the point where it bothered me.

Next closest to a failed system was the Gamecube, but I don't consider that really failed system. In some ways it was like the Vita. Possibly the smartest hardware design of it's time, but a somewhat limited library and last in sales. I just remember getting Gamecube at the tail end of that gen (when they started clearing them for $99) and consider that maybe the best $99 spent in gaming.

I mostly skipped the real failures, like the Wii-U, and I've also recently skipped the Xbox One and Series S/X. Haven't gotten into VR, PSVR2 was on my radar but they just made too many mistakes with it and it's too damn expensive. At this point, with it seeming dead, I'll only grab one out of a clearance sale.

32x, Saturn, Dreamcast, Gamecube, Shield, Ouya, 7200... one of those probably qualifies.

@Archangel3371: You can use whatever metrics you like to try and make it not a failure, but it was a failure.

Games are subjective, but Sega Gt, Sonic Adventure 1 & 2, Skies of Arcadia, beat everything on the N64, heck the best games on the N64 was the Wrestling games.

But again who had the better games is in the eye of the beholder, N64 being a failure is not, you can use your metrics to help you cope 🤷‍♂️

@last_lap: Just viewing it from a more nuanced perspective to gauge a system’s status on whether it failed or not. Simple sales numbers alone are to basic and don’t paint a complete picture.

Those games aren’t close to being better then the N64’s best games, not by a long shot. N64’s best games are what I already mention, not the wrestling games although they were pretty good.

Yep, yep. Best games is definitely subjective. No need to cope at all. It just be how it be and certainly won’t change anything. You can believe what ever you want to but you’re not going to change my mind on it. You wanted me to explain what factors I take into consideration and I did. It is what it is. 🤷‍♂️

@Archangel3371: Whatever metrics you wish to create to get N64 out of being a failure and to help you cope, more power to you.

@last_lap: Yep, absolutely. 😅

It sold less, yes. However, it was popular enough to popularize the analogue stick and 4-players out of the box. And let's not forget how it's library was sold, still popularizing modern gaming today. Mario 64 with modern 3D control (if it didn't, all our 3D games would be with tanky Tomb Raider controls for a while longer), Goldeneye 007 putting FPS on the map for console players (not even prior console ports of Doom could do that, hell Doom 64 couldn't do it, and we wouldn't have the likes of Medal of Honor or Halo without it), and multiplayer games, most especially Smash Bros? Don't get me started.

By that logic, SNES was a failure just because it sold less than NES. Hell, Genesis ultimately lost to SNES despite a close battle at least in North America (Europe and Japan made their choices already that gen), so is that a failure?

SNES to N64 sales was nowhere near on the level of Wii to Wii U. Come on, now...

None of what you said matters. It was a sales failure, therefore a failure. Look I get it you're a Nintendo fanboy just like Angel, but facts don't lie.

I am one of those gaming enthusiasts that have owned just about every system and have found something to love about them all for the most part, but these are the 4 that I feel are most worthy of mention in this topic.

1. Turbo Grafx: I really had a great time with many of the games on the system. I especially loved Tricky Kick, Bonk, and Air Zonk.

2. Sega CD: Sega CD will forever be remembered as the system that I played the AMAZING Lunar 1 and Lunar 2 (Eternal Blue) on. Also a special shout out to Popful Mail, Dark Wizard, and Shining Force CD.

3. Wii-U: I would have bought it 10x for Xenoblade Chronicles X. X is my all-time favorite game so in the end you cannot really do better than that.

4. Sega Dreamcast: This system has the best launch lineup ever! I bought Powerstone, Sonic Adventure, and Soul Calibur. My Brothers and I would play Powerstone all night long tossing boxes back and forth at each other like crazy. It was an amazing time. And don't even get me started on the AMAZING Skies of Arcadia. (It is a crime that it is not a series)

And your schtick hasn't been ANY better? Glass house!

Gamecube is my fav system of all time and was Nintendo's biggest failure besides Virtual Boy and WiiU.

WiiU is weird for me. I look back semi-fondly of getting it for Christmas just after launch, taking it back to college, play NintendoLand with friends, playing ZombiU when I had my wisdom teeth out, 100%ing Mario 3D World, and I had a lot of fun with Mario Kart 8 as well. But overall it was clearly Nintendo's worst effort ever and I gave it to my nephew after a few years. So mixed feelings. Kinda funny that Windwaker and Twilight Princess are stranded on there after Nintendo made a point to release almost every other WiiU game they had a hand in developing or publishing.

PS5 and PSP-3000 for me.

What schtick are you on about?

I think the N64 is the best console Nintendo has made (I still have it and play it every so often) had some bangers on it, but it was a failure because it sold poorly and no matter how many metrics you sheep create to try and move it away from that doesn't change the facts.

@last_lap: Unwilling to accept when Nintendo makes a positive impact for one.

You sound like a bitter Sega fan upset that it was them who went and not Nintendo.

@nintendoboy16: Typical Nintendo Sheep. Sega has nothing to do with the N64 failing commercially.

But, but, Sega fanboy, is that your shtick?

I still own and play my N64 and its my favourite console ftom Nintendo, but it failed, simple fact, one you sheep can't seem to handle. Build a bridge and get over it.

Do you even own a N64?

@last_lap: I’m not a Nintendo fanboy, I’m a Nintendo fan. There is a difference.

@Archangel3371: There is a difference between a fan and a fanboy.

A fan would look at the N64 and see it sold way less (tens of millions) than its predecessor and failed to capture the gaming audience.

A fanboy will use their own "metrics" to explain why it didn't fail.

Which category do you fit into?

@last_lap: I’m someone who looks on all aspects for a system to decide for myself on whether or not it should be considered as a failed system or not. I apply that criteria to all systems, not just Nintendo’s or the N64 specifically.

You keep alluding to the notion that I’m trying just do this for the N64 for some reason. On a personal level I actually like the Wii U more but I have zero qualms with calling that a failed system.

@last_lap: I do own one. And God forbid I think something should be a little more nuanced for failure. I accepted the GCN was a failure for low sales, lack of impactful games, and innovations at the time (the internet likes to change history on it's existence and oh god, am I sick of that). I accepted the Wii U was a failure for the same.

N64 was the second place winner and was still talked about a fair bit at the time. It had games people wanted to play (largely first party and Rare games that weren't going to PlayStation). It had games critics were speaking highly of. It had innovations that caught on despite being second place.

End. Of.

@Archangel3371: Not even the biggest Sheep can deny the Wii U was a failure, it sold like 15 million units. That s not I question, just like the N64 is not in question.

@nintendoboy16: You need to stop alluding to games, because the PS2 has the largest library of shovelware of any console released and still sold 150 million units. It was a success even thought it had some of the worst games in history.

Great games are irrelevant, sales are what these companies care about and it's how we as a society mark success.

You can argue it all you want but it doesn't change the facts.

@last_lap: Cool. You seem to have missed the fact that I personally liked the Wii U more then the N64. You’re right though, the N64 isn’t in question for me. I don’t consider it a failed system because I look at the big picture. Not just solely based on sales but also on both it’s games and the impact that it had on the industry. Like I told you I do that for all systems, not just by Nintendo, and not just for the N64.

Because while I may be a Nintendo fan, I’m not a Nintendo fanboy. 😎

Yet PS2 wasn't KNOWN for shovelware, the Wii was. PS2 was noted for it's diverse as hell library (big sellers being the "mature" games, because that was the vibe of Gen Six), in addition to being a cheap DVD player (a gimmick in it's own right, but that's a story for another day).

Oh bullcrap "great games are irrelevant". Great games, when marketed well, help give even struggling consoles staying power. FFS, Last of Us helped the freaking PS3 gain ground even when PS4 was releasing and Xbox was losing steam. And say a praised game is missed? Well, gives room for a re-evaluation even after the console is dead.

Great games are what gamers WANT! Spare the BS...

@Archangel3371: If using your metrics doesn't make you a fanboy, more power to you.

We will just have to agree to disagree.

@last_lap: Like I said, I use those same metrics for all systems. How and exactly for what does that make me a fanboy of?

@nintendoboy16: Your theory about great games falls apart when the PS5 is selling like hotcakes when there is no great games coming out for it, at least not from first party.

And most people bought the PS2 because it was the cheapest DVD player on the market at the time. And PS2's highest selling game sold 17 million units, not that great on a console that sold some 150 million.

Games are irrelevant when comparing a consoles success because they share a lot of the same library, It's the sales on the console that determines it success. The more it sells the more games it gets, simple as that.

As for the Last of Us, I'm currently playing it, and it's an average video game, but cows have low standards, so I'm not surprised they attached themselves to it.

In the end though the N64 was a failure and like with angel we're just going around in circles.

We can agree to disagree and move on.

@last_lap: The PS2 had a huge and diverse library and a ton of excellent games on it. It had the absolute lion’s share of exclusive games on it.

psvr2 is not a system and there is 3 major games in development right know how can it be failure? because its getting pc support? show me a link sony themselves are saying they are pulling the plug o psvr2 after only 1 year and 5 months.

for me atari lynx.

Playstation 5 🙂

BS Jive. lol :P

@pcgamerlaszlo: I dont think the PSP is considered a failure, It sold something like 70 million units

The Vita I think serves as a better Failed Sony Handheld, although most would say it's the much better system.