So basically the only people interested in the Wii U are die hard Nintendo fans. Looks like there are only around 21 million that exist if we look at the Gamecube sales. Nintendo needs to get out of their stupid traditional bubble and just make a great console that isn't extremely underpowered and doesn't rely on a useless gimmick like touchscreens, or motion controls. Make those optional, not mandatory.In terms of sales, nothing will save Wii U. Not even the next Smash Bros.
Wii U is the next Gamecube, and might even sell less than that. Look at Gamecube...Metroid Prime 1 and 2, Super Mario Sunshine, SSBM, Double Dash, Wind Waker, and Nintendo relatively quickly lowering the price of Gamecube to $99.99. None of that helped sales much. Only sold around 22 million.
Wii sold so well because of the controller. It was one of those rare situations where the gimmick sold the console, and not the games. Wii sold well even before SSBB, Mario Kart Wii, etc.
The gimmick isn't working for Wii U this time, so nothing will help it.
AvIdGaMeR444
What game do you think has the potential to save the Wii U?
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Well, where can they go now since the last traditional console "bombed" (so to speak, like I said in my Rayman Legends price cut thread, they may have been profitable, but a change was necessary)? GameCube had traditional controls and SECOND highest tech (lacking DVD Player support, though it's not like that was the most important feature in gaming history, and in many ways, watching a movie or TV series on DVD through your game console, is as much a gimmich as motion controls or a second screen) of any console and it didn't help them at all.So basically the only people interested in the Wii U are die hard Nintendo fans. Looks like there are only around 21 million that exist if we look at the Gamecube sales. Nintendo needs to get out of their stupid traditional bubble and just make a great console that isn't extremely underpowered and doesn't rely on a useless gimmick like touchscreens, or motion controls. Make those optional, not mandatory.
emgesp
Well, where can they go now since the last traditional console "bombed" (so to speak, like I said in my Rayman Legends price cut thread, they may have been profitable, but a change was necessary)? GameCube had traditional controls and SECOND highest tech (lacking DVD Player support, though it's not like that was the most important feature in gaming history, and in many ways, watching a movie or TV series on DVD through your game console, is as much a gimmich as motion controls or a second screen) of any console and it didn't help them at all. The GC flopped because ppl didn't take it seriously due to Nintendo's poor marketing and kiddy image, not because it was powerful. Had the wiiu been truly next gen, it would have had a great year headstart but bcuz it's such a weak pos, there is no point in buying one when all you'll play is Nintendo games.[QUOTE="emgesp"]
So basically the only people interested in the Wii U are die hard Nintendo fans. Looks like there are only around 21 million that exist if we look at the Gamecube sales. Nintendo needs to get out of their stupid traditional bubble and just make a great console that isn't extremely underpowered and doesn't rely on a useless gimmick like touchscreens, or motion controls. Make those optional, not mandatory.
nintendoboy16
Well, where can they go now since the last traditional console "bombed" (so to speak, like I said in my Rayman Legends price cut thread, they may have been profitable, but a change was necessary)? GameCube had traditional controls and SECOND highest tech (lacking DVD Player support, though it's not like that was the most important feature in gaming history, and in many ways, watching a movie or TV series on DVD through your game console, is as much a gimmich as motion controls or a second screen) of any console and it didn't help them at all. Watching DVDs is an extra feature, not a gimmick. Gamecube was powerful yes. But compared to the PS2 and Xbox it also had no media features (the other two played CDs and DVDs), no online (The other two had tons of online games), strange disc format (1.5 GB minidisc vs 4.5 GB single layer or 9GB dual layer DVDs on the other two) and the worst third party support of the three (No GTA = missed the best series of that gen). You can't pretend Gamecube was some sort of awesome "core" console, it was better in that regard than N64, or Wii but it was still the worst out of the three.[QUOTE="emgesp"]
So basically the only people interested in the Wii U are die hard Nintendo fans. Looks like there are only around 21 million that exist if we look at the Gamecube sales. Nintendo needs to get out of their stupid traditional bubble and just make a great console that isn't extremely underpowered and doesn't rely on a useless gimmick like touchscreens, or motion controls. Make those optional, not mandatory.
nintendoboy16
[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]Well, where can they go now since the last traditional console "bombed" (so to speak, like I said in my Rayman Legends price cut thread, they may have been profitable, but a change was necessary)? GameCube had traditional controls and SECOND highest tech (lacking DVD Player support, though it's not like that was the most important feature in gaming history, and in many ways, watching a movie or TV series on DVD through your game console, is as much a gimmick as motion controls or a second screen) of any console and it didn't help them at all.Watching DVDs is an extra feature, not a gimmick. Gamecube was powerful yes. But compared to the PS2 and Xbox it also had no media features (the other two played CDs and DVDs), no online (The other two had tons of online games), strange disc format (1.5 GB minidisc vs 4.5 GB single layer or 9GB dual layer DVDs on the other two) and the worst third party support of the three (No GTA = missed the best series of that gen). You can't pretend Gamecube was some sort of awesome "core" console, it was better in that regard than N64, or Wii but it was still the worst out of the three.Must I yank out the dictonary? Sony not only advertised it as a game console, it was also advertised as a cheap DVD player. How does that not scream "gimmick"?[QUOTE="emgesp"]
So basically the only people interested in the Wii U are die hard Nintendo fans. Looks like there are only around 21 million that exist if we look at the Gamecube sales. Nintendo needs to get out of their stupid traditional bubble and just make a great console that isn't extremely underpowered and doesn't rely on a useless gimmick like touchscreens, or motion controls. Make those optional, not mandatory.
locopatho
Hilarious how you mention that as when the Wii released, the GameCube became regarded as a "hardcore" system. Even one of Nintendo's bigger critics noted the irony of that in numerous blogs (like here and here).
[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]Well, where can they go now since the last traditional console "bombed" (so to speak, like I said in my Rayman Legends price cut thread, they may have been profitable, but a change was necessary)? GameCube had traditional controls and SECOND highest tech (lacking DVD Player support, though it's not like that was the most important feature in gaming history, and in many ways, watching a movie or TV series on DVD through your game console, is as much a gimmich as motion controls or a second screen) of any console and it didn't help them at all. Watching DVDs is an extra feature, not a gimmick. Gamecube was powerful yes. But compared to the PS2 and Xbox it also had no media features (the other two played CDs and DVDs), no online (The other two had tons of online games), strange disc format (1.5 GB minidisc vs 4.5 GB single layer or 9GB dual layer DVDs on the other two) and the worst third party support of the three (No GTA = missed the best series of that gen). You can't pretend Gamecube was some sort of awesome "core" console, it was better in that regard than N64, or Wii but it was still the worst out of the three.[QUOTE="emgesp"]
So basically the only people interested in the Wii U are die hard Nintendo fans. Looks like there are only around 21 million that exist if we look at the Gamecube sales. Nintendo needs to get out of their stupid traditional bubble and just make a great console that isn't extremely underpowered and doesn't rely on a useless gimmick like touchscreens, or motion controls. Make those optional, not mandatory.
locopatho
Exactly, DVD movie playback was optional, but the extra storage capacity of DVD was actually a benefit in regards to game creation. The Gamecube sold poorly because it had a negative image with the hardcore community and most importantly it lacked strong third party support. Its all about branding too. Sony made the PS2 seem cool through ads and commercials, where as Nintendo stuck with its more playful and kiddy image.
With the Wii U, Nintendo thought that they could get away with selling another underpowered console built around a gimmick. Well, the gimmick didn't pay off this time around and they are paying the price looking at the poor sales numbers. Nintendo doesn't need to get rid of Mario, but I think its time for Nintendo to reinvent themselves. They are becoming too complacent.
Watching DVDs is an extra feature, not a gimmick. Gamecube was powerful yes. But compared to the PS2 and Xbox it also had no media features (the other two played CDs and DVDs), no online (The other two had tons of online games), strange disc format (1.5 GB minidisc vs 4.5 GB single layer or 9GB dual layer DVDs on the other two) and the worst third party support of the three (No GTA = missed the best series of that gen). You can't pretend Gamecube was some sort of awesome "core" console, it was better in that regard than N64, or Wii but it was still the worst out of the three.[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]Well, where can they go now since the last traditional console "bombed" (so to speak, like I said in my Rayman Legends price cut thread, they may have been profitable, but a change was necessary)? GameCube had traditional controls and SECOND highest tech (lacking DVD Player support, though it's not like that was the most important feature in gaming history, and in many ways, watching a movie or TV series on DVD through your game console, is as much a gimmich as motion controls or a second screen) of any console and it didn't help them at all.
emgesp
Exactly, DVD movie playback was optional, but the extra storage capacity of DVD was actually a benefit in regards to game creation. The Gamecube sold poorly because it had a negative image with the hardcore community and most importantly it lacked strong third party support. Its all about branding too. Sony made the PS2 seem cool through ads and commercials, where as Nintendo stuck with its more playful and kiddy image.
With the Wii U, Nintendo thought that they could get away with selling another underpowered console built around a gimmick. Well, the gimmick didn't pay off this time around and they are paying the price looking at the poor sales numbers. Nintendo doesn't need to get rid of Mario, but I think its time for Nintendo to reinvent themselves. They are becoming complacent. Watching DVD movies was still a heavily advertised feature on the PS2 though. The storage medium itself may have helped developers, but that lone extra still pushed for a lot of attention and help sell PS2's. Fits the description of the gimmick from what I see.
Heck, these days, you can release game specific disc mediums that can store as much as any other disc. Wii U is using Blu-ray sized discs for crying out loud.
So basically the only people interested in the Wii U are die hard Nintendo fans. Looks like there are only around 21 million that exist if we look at the Gamecube sales. Nintendo needs to get out of their stupid traditional bubble and just make a great console that isn't extremely underpowered and doesn't rely on a useless gimmick like touchscreens, or motion controls. Make those optional, not mandatory. I'd rather them sell 10 mil consoles and make unique, interesting games than make the same system with better graphics. I want unique gameplay that I can't find anywhere else. U guys can just keep playing the X1 or PS4 (which I have preordered btw!) Why would anyone a Nintendo system identical to the other. I want unique fun games above all else.[QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"]
In terms of sales, nothing will save Wii U. Not even the next Smash Bros.
Wii U is the next Gamecube, and might even sell less than that. Look at Gamecube...Metroid Prime 1 and 2, Super Mario Sunshine, SSBM, Double Dash, Wind Waker, and Nintendo relatively quickly lowering the price of Gamecube to $99.99. None of that helped sales much. Only sold around 22 million.
Wii sold so well because of the controller. It was one of those rare situations where the gimmick sold the console, and not the games. Wii sold well even before SSBB, Mario Kart Wii, etc.
The gimmick isn't working for Wii U this time, so nothing will help it.
emgesp
[QUOTE="emgesp"]
[QUOTE="locopatho"] Watching DVDs is an extra feature, not a gimmick. Gamecube was powerful yes. But compared to the PS2 and Xbox it also had no media features (the other two played CDs and DVDs), no online (The other two had tons of online games), strange disc format (1.5 GB minidisc vs 4.5 GB single layer or 9GB dual layer DVDs on the other two) and the worst third party support of the three (No GTA = missed the best series of that gen). You can't pretend Gamecube was some sort of awesome "core" console, it was better in that regard than N64, or Wii but it was still the worst out of the three. nintendoboy16
Exactly, DVD movie playback was optional, but the extra storage capacity of DVD was actually a benefit in regards to game creation. The Gamecube sold poorly because it had a negative image with the hardcore community and most importantly it lacked strong third party support. Its all about branding too. Sony made the PS2 seem cool through ads and commercials, where as Nintendo stuck with its more playful and kiddy image.
With the Wii U, Nintendo thought that they could get away with selling another underpowered console built around a gimmick. Well, the gimmick didn't pay off this time around and they are paying the price looking at the poor sales numbers. Nintendo doesn't need to get rid of Mario, but I think its time for Nintendo to reinvent themselves. They are becoming complacent. Watching DVD movies was still a heavily advertised feature on the PS2 though. The storage medium itself may have helped developers, but that lone extra still gained a lot of attention. Fits the description of the gimmick from what I see.
Heck, these days, you can release game specific disc mediums that can store as much as any other disc. Wii U is using Blu-ray sized discs for crying out loud.
DVD was not a gimmick. First, the leap in video quality over VHS was gigantic when watching movies and the extra storage capacity over CD's helped developers make bigger games.
The Wii U tablet's touch screen is not a necessary feature to play games, it's just an extra way to manipulate your inventory and such. It doesn't aid in the immersion, in fact for me it took away from the immersion. Having to look up and down constantly was incredibly annoying. Two screens works fine on a handheld because they are so close together that you don't really have to move your eyes that much, but it doesn't translate well with a dedicated controller + big screen setup.
IMHO, the Wii U would have done better if it came with just the standard pro controller and was priced at $199.99 - $249.99, I would have probably bought it at launch.
[QUOTE="emgesp"]Watching DVD movies was still a heavily advertised feature on the PS2 though. The storage medium itself may have helped developers, but that lone extra still gained a lot of attention. Fits the description of the gimmick from what I see.
Heck, these days, you can release game specific disc mediums that can store as much as any other disc. Wii U is using Blu-ray sized discs for crying out loud.
nintendoboy16
DVD was not a gimmick. First, the leap in video quality over VHS was gigantic when watching movies and the extra storage capacity over CD's helped developers make bigger games.
The Wii U tablet's touch screen is not a necessary feature to play games, it's just an extra way to manipulate your inventory and such. It doesn't aid in the immersion, in fact for me it took away from the immersion. Having to look up and down constantly was incredibly annoying. Two screens works fine on a handheld because they are so close together that you don't really have to move your eyes that much, but it doesn't translate well with a dedicated controller + big screen setup.I didn't say the medium itself was, I said the DVD movie PLAYBACK on the PS2 and other consoles was the gimmick. It's not even required to be a good gaming system.
I didn't say the medium itself was, I said the DVD movie PLAYBACK on the PS2 was the gimmick.
nintendoboy16
The PS2 was mainly marketed as a game console, not a DVD player. Yes, it having DVD playback was mentioned, but they didn't really rely on that feature to sell PS2 consoles like Nintendo is trying to do with the Tablet controller. Right out of the gate, we knew the benefits DVD had over VHS. Better image and sound quality, no need to rewind, smaller form-factor. What is the huge benefit of a touch screen on a gamepad? Nobody sees the benefit and Nintendo themselves are having trouble showing why the Wii U gamepad is truly innovative.
The PS2 was mainly marketed as a game console, not a DVD player. Yes, it having DVD playback was mentioned, but they didn't really rely on that feature to sell PS2 consoles like Nintendo is trying to do with the Tablet controller. emgespAlthough DVD playback was one of the reasons it sold so well, as it was cheaper than most DVD players at the time.
Although DVD playback was one of the reasons it sold so well, as it was cheaper than most DVD players at the time.[QUOTE="emgesp"]The PS2 was mainly marketed as a game console, not a DVD player. Yes, it having DVD playback was mentioned, but they didn't really rely on that feature to sell PS2 consoles like Nintendo is trying to do with the Tablet controller. nintendoboy16
PS2 already had huge demand from gamers the moment it was announced because of how well the PS1 did. It having DVD playback was just a nice bonus that everyone appreciated. I didn't buy a PS2 just because I wanted a DVD player. I wanted a PS2 because I loved the PS1 and I knew the PS2 was going to have great games on it.
Now, look at the demand for the PS4. It is just a traditional console without and crazy gimmicks, yet the demand for the console is through the roof. It proves you don't need gimmicks in order to sell a console. The PS4 might have a touch-pad on the controller, but Sony isn't heavily emphasing that fact, nor are they relying on the touchpad feature to sell consoles. They just put it on there because they could. They are not even mandating that every game utilizes it.
Watching DVD movies was still a heavily advertised feature on the PS2 though. The storage medium itself may have helped developers, but that lone extra still gained a lot of attention. Fits the description of the gimmick from what I see.[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]
[QUOTE="emgesp"]
Exactly, DVD movie playback was optional, but the extra storage capacity of DVD was actually a benefit in regards to game creation. The Gamecube sold poorly because it had a negative image with the hardcore community and most importantly it lacked strong third party support. Its all about branding too. Sony made the PS2 seem cool through ads and commercials, where as Nintendo stuck with its more playful and kiddy image.
With the Wii U, Nintendo thought that they could get away with selling another underpowered console built around a gimmick. Well, the gimmick didn't pay off this time around and they are paying the price looking at the poor sales numbers. Nintendo doesn't need to get rid of Mario, but I think its time for Nintendo to reinvent themselves. They are becoming complacent.emgesp
Heck, these days, you can release game specific disc mediums that can store as much as any other disc. Wii U is using Blu-ray sized discs for crying out loud.
DVD was not a gimmick. First, the leap in video quality over VHS was gigantic when watching movies and the extra storage capacity over CD's helped developers make bigger games.
The Wii U tablet's touch screen is not a necessary feature to play games, it's just an extra way to manipulate your inventory and such. It doesn't aid in the immersion, in fact for me it took away from the immersion. Having to look up and down constantly was incredibly annoying. Two screens works fine on a handheld because they are so close together that you don't really have to move your eyes that much, but it doesn't translate well with a dedicated controller + big screen setup.
IMHO, the Wii U would have done better if it came with just the standard pro controller and was priced at $199.99 - $249.99, I would have probably bought it at launch. It was necessary for ZombiU. I know 4.5, but that one someone's opinion that I care nothing about and to me it was one of the freshest experiences I have played in a long long time and the gamepad was necessary for it.
Although DVD playback was one of the reasons it sold so well, as it was cheaper than most DVD players at the time.[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]
[QUOTE="emgesp"]The PS2 was mainly marketed as a game console, not a DVD player. Yes, it having DVD playback was mentioned, but they didn't really rely on that feature to sell PS2 consoles like Nintendo is trying to do with the Tablet controller. emgesp
PS2 already had huge demand from gamers the moment it was announced because of how well the PS1 did. It having DVD playback was just a nice bonus that everyone appreciated. I didn't buy a PS2 just because I wanted a DVD player. I wanted a PS2 because I loved the PS1 and I knew the PS2 was going to have great games on it.
Now, look at the demand for the PS4. It is just a traditional console without and crazy gimmicks, yet the demand for the console is through the roof. It proves you don't need gimmicks in order to sell a console. The PS4 might have a touch-pad on the controller, but Sony isn't heavily emphasing that fact, nor are they relying on the touchpad feature to sell consoles. They just put it on there because they could. They are not even mandating that every game utilizes it. Sure, but considering PS2 outsold even the PS1, DVD Playback functionality helped convince those people that generally aren't gamers to buy the thing, especially at it's cheaper price compared to a standard DVD player that costed like $300-400 at the time.
[QUOTE="emgesp"]
[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]Although DVD playback was one of the reasons it sold so well, as it was cheaper than most DVD players at the time.
nintendoboy16
PS2 already had huge demand from gamers the moment it was announced because of how well the PS1 did. It having DVD playback was just a nice bonus that everyone appreciated. I didn't buy a PS2 just because I wanted a DVD player. I wanted a PS2 because I loved the PS1 and I knew the PS2 was going to have great games on it.
Now, look at the demand for the PS4. It is just a traditional console without and crazy gimmicks, yet the demand for the console is through the roof. It proves you don't need gimmicks in order to sell a console. The PS4 might have a touch-pad on the controller, but Sony isn't heavily emphasing that fact, nor are they relying on the touchpad feature to sell consoles. They just put it on there because they could. They are not even mandating that every game utilizes it. Sure, but considering PS2 outsold even the PS1, DVD Playback functionality helped convince those people that generally aren't gamers to buy the thing, especially at it's cheaper price compared to a standard DVD player that costed like $300-400 at the time. PS2 was the best console ever because it was advertised as both a game system and dvd player. That's the reason myself and many many other people chose the ps2.
[QUOTE="emgesp"]
[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]Although DVD playback was one of the reasons it sold so well, as it was cheaper than most DVD players at the time.
nintendoboy16
PS2 already had huge demand from gamers the moment it was announced because of how well the PS1 did. It having DVD playback was just a nice bonus that everyone appreciated. I didn't buy a PS2 just because I wanted a DVD player. I wanted a PS2 because I loved the PS1 and I knew the PS2 was going to have great games on it.
Now, look at the demand for the PS4. It is just a traditional console without and crazy gimmicks, yet the demand for the console is through the roof. It proves you don't need gimmicks in order to sell a console. The PS4 might have a touch-pad on the controller, but Sony isn't heavily emphasing that fact, nor are they relying on the touchpad feature to sell consoles. They just put it on there because they could. They are not even mandating that every game utilizes it. Sure, but considering PS2 outsold even the PS1, DVD Playback functionality helped convince those people that generally aren't gamers to buy the thing, especially at it's cheaper price compared to a standard DVD player that costed like $300-400 at the time. The PS2 would still have been a success even if Sony didn't allow for DVD movie playback.
[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]Sure, but considering PS2 outsold even the PS1, DVD Playback functionality helped convince those people that generally aren't gamers to buy the thing, especially at it's cheaper price compared to a standard DVD player that costed like $300-400 at the time. The PS2 would still have been a success even if Sony didn't allow for DVD movie playback. It would def be a success w/o dvd, but it would not have been as successful by a long shot[QUOTE="emgesp"]
PS2 already had huge demand from gamers the moment it was announced because of how well the PS1 did. It having DVD playback was just a nice bonus that everyone appreciated. I didn't buy a PS2 just because I wanted a DVD player. I wanted a PS2 because I loved the PS1 and I knew the PS2 was going to have great games on it.
Now, look at the demand for the PS4. It is just a traditional console without and crazy gimmicks, yet the demand for the console is through the roof. It proves you don't need gimmicks in order to sell a console. The PS4 might have a touch-pad on the controller, but Sony isn't heavily emphasing that fact, nor are they relying on the touchpad feature to sell consoles. They just put it on there because they could. They are not even mandating that every game utilizes it.emgesp
W/e the new Zelda game comes out or the new Smash game.X looks promising but it's the type of game that will be super amazing but not a lot of people will buy it.
[QUOTE="emgesp"][QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]Sure, but considering PS2 outsold even the PS1, DVD Playback functionality helped convince those people that generally aren't gamers to buy the thing, especially at it's cheaper price compared to a standard DVD player that costed like $300-400 at the time.illmatic8582The PS2 would still have been a success even if Sony didn't allow for DVD movie playback. It would def be a success w/o dvd, but it would not have been as successful by a long shot
I'm not saying without DVD drive, just without DVD movie playback. PS2 would have still sold over 100 million units without DVD playback. PS1 sold over 100 million units without DVD playback.
[QUOTE="emgesp"][QUOTE="illmatic8582"] It would def be a success w/o dvd, but it would not have been as successful by a long shotillmatic8582I'm not saying without DVD, just DVD movie playback. PS2 would have still sold over 100 million units even without DVD playback. PS1 sold over 100 million units without DVD playback. No chance they would sell that many consoles without dvd playback. You can't really believe that lol. PS1 sold 100 million units without DVD playback. More people bought the PS2 for playing games than watching movies. That's like saying that if the PS3 didn't have Blu-ray playback it would have only sold half as well. No, Xbox 360 didn't have Blu-ray playback and sold just as well as the PS3.
The PS2 is hands down the greatest console of all-time because of the game library, not because of DVD playback.
[QUOTE="emgesp"][QUOTE="illmatic8582"] It would def be a success w/o dvd, but it would not have been as successful by a long shotillmatic8582I'm not saying without DVD, just DVD movie playback. PS2 would have still sold over 100 million units even without DVD playback. PS1 sold over 100 million units without DVD playback. No chance they would sell that many consoles without dvd playback. You can't really believe that lol.
Explain the PS1 then? The PS1 wasn't the cheapest CD player, yet it still sold 100 million units. If 100 million bought the PS1 to play games than 100 million would have bought the PS2 just to play games as well, especially since the PS2 has probably the greatest game library of all-time. People purchasing a PS2 mainly for DVD playback don't count for the majority of sales.
The PS3 is at around 80 million units worldwide right now, but had the PS3 been released at the same time as the 360 and priced at $399 than the PS3 would have outsold both the 360 and Wii.
Mario Kart, Mario 3D World and Smash Bros. will boost system sales; Zelda will improve its credibility. And Metroid ... well, Metroid would do wonders for the platform, but I don't see that coming any time soon.REVOLUTIONfreakI have similar feelings. Whether or not one liked Other M, you have to admit that the reception and sales for that game pretty much messed things up for that . Char doesn't think so, but I think it's going the F-Zero/Star Fox route.
Watching DVDs is an extra feature, not a gimmick. Gamecube was powerful yes. But compared to the PS2 and Xbox it also had no media features (the other two played CDs and DVDs), no online (The other two had tons of online games), strange disc format (1.5 GB minidisc vs 4.5 GB single layer or 9GB dual layer DVDs on the other two) and the worst third party support of the three (No GTA = missed the best series of that gen). You can't pretend Gamecube was some sort of awesome "core" console, it was better in that regard than N64, or Wii but it was still the worst out of the three.Must I yank out the dictonary? Sony not only advertised it as a game console, it was also advertised as a cheap DVD player. How does that not scream "gimmick"?[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]Well, where can they go now since the last traditional console "bombed" (so to speak, like I said in my Rayman Legends price cut thread, they may have been profitable, but a change was necessary)? GameCube had traditional controls and SECOND highest tech (lacking DVD Player support, though it's not like that was the most important feature in gaming history, and in many ways, watching a movie or TV series on DVD through your game console, is as much a gimmick as motion controls or a second screen) of any console and it didn't help them at all.
nintendoboy16
Hilarious how you mention that as when the Wii released, the GameCube became regarded as a "hardcore" system. Even one of Nintendo's bigger critics noted the irony of that in numerous blogs (like here and here).
What definition are you using? We can (and I'm sure, will ;)) argue about the definition of gimmick. But leaving that aside, what do think of the rest of my post? Gamecube was a hardcore gaming console, it just was the worst one of it's gen. Being more hardcore than the Wii isn't something strange or difficult?I have similar feelings. Whether or not one liked Other M, you have to admit that the reception and sales for that game pretty much messed things up for that . Char doesn't think so, but I think it's going the F-Zero/Star Fox route. Metroid is gone I think. I don't think it sells well enough for Nintendo. If Other M was as good as the Prime Trilogy they might have kept it around for "prestige". But it didn't even get the critics on side, never mind the sales. I'd imagine we might get another 2D metroid but I wouldn't hold much hope for a full 3D title.[QUOTE="REVOLUTIONfreak"]Mario Kart, Mario 3D World and Smash Bros. will boost system sales; Zelda will improve its credibility. And Metroid ... well, Metroid would do wonders for the platform, but I don't see that coming any time soon.nintendoboy16
No chance they would sell that many consoles without dvd playback. You can't really believe that lol.[QUOTE="illmatic8582"][QUOTE="emgesp"] I'm not saying without DVD, just DVD movie playback. PS2 would have still sold over 100 million units even without DVD playback. PS1 sold over 100 million units without DVD playback. emgesp
Explain the PS1 then? The PS1 wasn't the cheapest CD player, yet it still sold 100 million units. If 100 million bought the PS1 to play games than 100 million would have bought the PS2 just to play games as well, especially since the PS2 has probably the greatest game library of all-time. People purchasing a PS2 mainly for DVD playback don't count for the majority of sales.
The PS3 is at around 80 million units worldwide right now, but had the PS3 been released at the same time as the 360 and priced at $399 than the PS3 would have outsold both the 360 and Wii. less competition. They had a stupid surplus of games compared to the n64 that had 2 games a year. There was only one place to play 3rd party games. etc
[QUOTE="illmatic8582"][QUOTE="emgesp"] less competition. They had a stupid surplus of games compared to the n64 that had 2 games a year. There was only one place to play 3rd party games. etc
[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]I have similar feelings. Whether or not one liked Other M, you have to admit that the reception and sales for that game pretty much messed things up for that . Char doesn't think so, but I think it's going the F-Zero/Star Fox route. Metroid is gone I think. I don't think it sells well enough for Nintendo. If Other M was as good as the Prime Trilogy they might have kept it around for "prestige". But it didn't even get the critics on side, never mind the sales. I'd imagine we might get another 2D metroid but I wouldn't hold much hope for a full 3D title. one bad game does not negate 20+ years of history in an excellent series. Other M was a great game, but it was very story driven. Unfortunately that story was awful[QUOTE="REVOLUTIONfreak"]Mario Kart, Mario 3D World and Smash Bros. will boost system sales; Zelda will improve its credibility. And Metroid ... well, Metroid would do wonders for the platform, but I don't see that coming any time soon.locopatho
[QUOTE="emgesp"]Metroid is gone I think. I don't think it sells well enough for Nintendo. If Other M was as good as the Prime Trilogy they might have kept it around for "prestige". But it didn't even get the critics on side, never mind the sales. I'd imagine we might get another 2D metroid but I wouldn't hold much hope for a full 3D title. one bad game does not negate 20+ years of history in an excellent series. Other M was a great game, but it was very story driven. Unfortunately that story was awful It doesn't negate it for me. But it might for Nintendo. If Metroid neither sells nor scores to their very high standards, I don't see them making more.[QUOTE="illmatic8582"]I have similar feelings. Whether or not one liked Other M, you have to admit that the reception and sales for that game pretty much messed things up for that . Char doesn't think so, but I think it's going the F-Zero/Star Fox route.
illmatic8582
Pick up Yu, give him an awesome team spending some dat billions made off Wii and have him make an awesome Shenmue 3 :shock: I'm in :D
Mario3DLand, Mario Kart or Smash Bros. They are the only titles coming within the next 6-12 months that could save the system. Everything releasing after that I feel is too late.spike6958
I'm wondering how much better the Wii U will sell after those games are released. Do you think the Wii U can hit 10 million units by the end of 2014?
Does everyone forget how massive Smash Bros. is? lol that will sell MANY systems, and the combination of having Mario Kart and some other gems out will help significantly.
[QUOTE="emgesp"][QUOTE="illmatic8582"] No chance they would sell that many consoles without dvd playback. You can't really believe that lol. illmatic8582
Explain the PS1 then? The PS1 wasn't the cheapest CD player, yet it still sold 100 million units. If 100 million bought the PS1 to play games than 100 million would have bought the PS2 just to play games as well, especially since the PS2 has probably the greatest game library of all-time. People purchasing a PS2 mainly for DVD playback don't count for the majority of sales.
The PS3 is at around 80 million units worldwide right now, but had the PS3 been released at the same time as the 360 and priced at $399 than the PS3 would have outsold both the 360 and Wii. less competition. They had a stupid surplus of games compared to the n64 that had 2 games a year. There was only one place to play 3rd party games. etc At least MOST third party games. You couldn't play Turok on the PSOne, nor could you play the best Star Wars games (Rogue Squadron, Episode I Racer, Shadows of the Empire) for that time on there either, although you could get those games on PC.
I believe Brawl sold less than half of what NSMB Wii sold and its sequel didn't exactly make the wii audience(casuals) go out and buy the console in droves. If MK8 and wii-u sports/fit fail to get things going, then Nintendo will have create something new that captures the casual audience because their other titles(DK, Smash, X, etc.) aren't system sellers. They sell to the existing 10-20 million Nintendo fans that bought the GC and N64. Plan B is to price the console at a second-option friendly price that will entice core gamers to pick up another console after they buy ps4 or xbox one.Does everyone forget how massive Smash Bros. is? lol that will sell MANY systems, and the combination of having Mario Kart and some other gems out will help significantly.
Ultrabeatdown55
[QUOTE="spike6958"]Mario3DLand, Mario Kart or Smash Bros. They are the only titles coming within the next 6-12 months that could save the system. Everything releasing after that I feel is too late.emgesp
I'm wondering how much better the Wii U will sell after those games are released. Do you think the Wii U can hit 10 million units by the end of 2014? IDK, if the PS4 and X1 where still a ways away then it'd be possible, but with them both releasing before these game (even if one is only a few weeks after there launches) I think it'll struggle, but these are the only games imo that can turn it around, anything after E3 next year is too late, because the PS4 and X1 will be in full swing then.
[QUOTE="Ultrabeatdown55"]I believe Brawl sold less than half of what NSMB Wii sold and its sequel didn't exactly make the wii audience(casuals) go out and buy the console in droves. If MK8 and wii-u sports/fit fail to get things going, then Nintendo will have create something new that captures the casual audience because their other titles(DK, Smash, X, etc.) aren't system sellers. They sell to the existing 10-20 million Nintendo fans that bought the GC and N64. Plan B is to price the console at a second-option friendly price that will entice core gamers to pick up another console after they buy ps4 or xbox one.Does everyone forget how massive Smash Bros. is? lol that will sell MANY systems, and the combination of having Mario Kart and some other gems out will help significantly.
MFDOOM1983
What? :?
Why did Super Smash Bros. Melee end up as the top selling GameCube game, to the point of being bundled with the system WAY later on? It was hard to find a GameCube owner who didn't have Melee. Even the original Smash helped sell N64 due to it's multiplayer and I'm pretty sure Brawl helped keep momentum on Wii sales.
fire emblem has never been a big seller, especially on consoles. Awakening is doing really well compared To the rest of the series, but path of radiance and radiant Dawn didn't even break 200k iircFire Emblem U is a nice start.
Whiteblade999
Only GTA V could save the Wii U now, but we all know that it isn't possible on the Wii U, so there's no hope I'm afraid.
No traditional title will. They needed a pack-in game that would have had the same impact as wii sports, as well as a significantly cheaper price tag than their competitors' systems.
There is no "one game" that will save this system. The only time a game has ever saved a system was Halo and that will probably never happen again. Much like there was no "one" game that saved the 3DS. Nintendo just has to be persistent and release multiple quality titles with a small window inbetween their releases. Steady streams of quality content is what draws people to systems and keep them playing. Nintendo MUST get their act together with these gaps and long draughts because the system will never really succeed this way. The 3DS hasn't gone like 2 weeks in about a year and a half without getting a great game to play. Yet the first year of WiiU has been shaky at best.
And next year the problem is I don't know what to expect. We know that Donkey Kong, Smash Bros, Mario Kart, Yarn Yoshi, X, Bayonetta 2, etc are coming next year.. But when the hell are we going to be playing them? We know DK comes out in Febuary... So, ok what comes out in december and january then? Is smash bros in the first half or second half? bayonetta 2? x? when can we expect to play these.. And if there is a big gap inbetween these releases what are we going to be playing inbetween them? Is there any more third party support coming? What multiplats can we expect?
I realize that Nintendo probably hasn't hinted at any of this stuff yet because they want us to focus on whats coming out now and buy it rather than just waiting and thinking about future games. But Nintendo MUST make next year a success. They need it to get a lot of content or the WiiU will never get off the ground. Next year is honestly make or break for the system. If it doesn't succeed then it never will. Nintendo has to take this seriously and stop screwing around. Give gamers what they want and get these games out in a reasonable amount of time.
And I swear to god if I have to hear "A bad game is bad forever but a delayed game can eventually be good" etc that nonsense I hear everytime nintendo delays a game Im going to break something. Because what Nintendo is telling its fans is basically to play other game systems because we don't feel like hiring enough staff to get games out in reasonable amount of times or aquiring more studios that can make more games inbetween the releases of the bigger titles. Sure the philosophy has some truth but at some point these delays add up and the gamers are going to care anymore and loose interest in your system because they are always waiting. Nintendo has been awful in recent years with these game draughts that its completely unacceptable and the wiius future doesn't look good unless they correct this. If they do, it can turn a profit for them and be a console that millions of people enjoy. I like it a lot, I really want the wiiu to do well but nintendo just needs to fix there priorities and start going all out with their content because so far it just has not been enough
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