What good is free online if it doesn't work?

[QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"]

Don't get you started because you can't come up with a concise argument as to why it;s worse because of the price.

SHuN_G0Ku

siigh... oh please...

just tell me how is paying $50/YR better than FREE just to play online; i mean, you're already getting charged for your internet and still you're getting charged for playing online...? ygtbfkm..

since i've been here, no lemms have come up with a justified reasonable answer on why people should catch every drop of milk that MS splashes and still come here to defend it.

Live should be free. I can understand that Freedom isn't..., but LIVE??

btw fyi, i maybe poor but i'm smart at $$$

Case in point. If you would have ever played online on both, you would clearly see that XBL is the far syperior online experience. Live is obviously more structered then PSN. If you tried both you know, Like i stated before, the people the golf on public access cources try to convince everyone its better then golfing on pro level cources.

[QUOTE="SHuN_G0Ku"][QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"]

Don't get you started because you can't come up with a concise argument as to why it;s worse because of the price.

DXGreat1_HGL

siigh... oh please...

just tell me how is paying $50/YR better than FREE just to play online; i mean, you're already getting charged for your internet and still you're getting charged for playing online...? ygtbfkm..

since i've been here, no lemms have come up with a justified reasonable answer on why people should catch every drop of milk that MS splashes and still come here to defend it.

Live should be free. I can understand that Freedom isn't..., but LIVE??

btw fyi, i maybe poor but i'm smart at $$$

Case in point. If you would have ever played online on both, you would clearly see that XBL is the far syperior online experience. Live is obviously more structered then PSN. If you tried both you know, Like i stated before, the people the golf on public access cources try to convince everyone its better then golfing on pro level cources.

Your argument is XBL is superior because of it's structure.

The same structure you can recieve for a Silver account.

It isn't until Gold account you are able to "play" online.

In other words, you not paying for the structure of live, but for playing on live.

In which, PSN give to you free.

Later on, PSN will also have a free structure called HOME.

Please explain to me why are you defending "pay-to-play" online when PC, Wii, and PS3 give it to you free?

[QUOTE="SHuN_G0Ku"][QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"]

Don't get you started because you can't come up with a concise argument as to why it;s worse because of the price.

DXGreat1_HGL

siigh... oh please...

just tell me how is paying $50/YR better than FREE just to play online; i mean, you're already getting charged for your internet and still you're getting charged for playing online...? ygtbfkm..

since i've been here, no lemms have come up with a justified reasonable answer on why people should catch every drop of milk that MS splashes and still come here to defend it.

Live should be free. I can understand that Freedom isn't..., but LIVE??

btw fyi, i maybe poor but i'm smart at $$$

Case in point. If you would have ever played online on both, you would clearly see that XBL is the far syperior online experience. Live is obviously more structered then PSN. If you tried both you know, Like i stated before, the people the golf on public access cources try to convince everyone its better then golfing on pro level cources.

i agree with you, but what happens if the PSN happen to get their hands on the features that could match what Live offers..?

[QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"][QUOTE="SHuN_G0Ku"][QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"]

Don't get you started because you can't come up with a concise argument as to why it;s worse because of the price.

Cute_Red_Panda

siigh... oh please...

just tell me how is paying $50/YR better than FREE just to play online; i mean, you're already getting charged for your internet and still you're getting charged for playing online...? ygtbfkm..

since i've been here, no lemms have come up with a justified reasonable answer on why people should catch every drop of milk that MS splashes and still come here to defend it.

Live should be free. I can understand that Freedom isn't..., but LIVE??

btw fyi, i maybe poor but i'm smart at $$$

Case in point. If you would have ever played online on both, you would clearly see that XBL is the far syperior online experience. Live is obviously more structered then PSN. If you tried both you know, Like i stated before, the people the golf on public access cources try to convince everyone its better then golfing on pro level cources.

Your argument is XBL is superior because of it's structure.

The same structure you can recieve for a Silver account.

It isn't until Gold account you are able to "play" online.

In other words, you not paying for the structure of live, but for playing on live.

In which, PSN give to you free.

Later on, PSN will also have a free structure called HOME.

Please explain to me why are you defending "pay-to-play" online when PC, Wii, and PS3 give it to you free?

Aorry but you have no proof the HOME will provide a similer or better structure then XBL. Just ther usual Sony overhype, just saying its better. Until you have experienced XBL instead of stated the 'I won't pay for XBL' mantra then your comments are meaningless...

You're taking one extreme case on MS's part and they compensated every Gold member. Sorry but XBL is way far and above better then PSN. Any unobjective person can see it.

Using the logic PSN supporters use:

• Eating Ramen noodles is better then a steak dinner because its cheaoer
• Riding a bike from New York to California is better then flying because its cheaper
• Public access golf is better then playing on a pro level course because its free

Just give it up, PSN is a joke and its lame to justify every PSN problem by trying to make it look like its just as bad on XBL...

DXGreat1_HGL

No I'm not taking an extreme anything. You made a comment which myself and others have proven to be misinformed at best, and an ignorant fanboy delusion at worst. We have also pointed out both the error and hypocrisy in your reasoning.

You are wrong and my rebuttal is undeniable. Everything else you put is just fanboy spinning so you don't have to face facts that contradict your brainwashed bias.

[QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"]

You're taking one extreme case on MS's part and they compensated every Gold member. Sorry but XBL is way far and above better then PSN. Any unobjective person can see it.

Using the logic PSN supporters use:

• Eating Ramen noodles is better then a steak dinner because its cheaoer
• Riding a bike from New York to California is better then flying because its cheaper
• Public access golf is better then playing on a pro level course because its free

Just give it up, PSN is a joke and its lame to justify every PSN problem by trying to make it look like its just as bad on XBL...

ZIMdoom

No I'm not taking an extreme anything. You made a comment which myself and others have proven to be misinformed at best, and an ignorant fanboy delusion at worst. We have also pointed out both the error and hypocrisy in your reasoning.

You are wrong and my rebuttal is undeniable. Everything else you put is just fanboy spinning so you don't have to face facts that contradict your brainwashed bias.

In other words, dismiss everything I say because you can't provide an answer for it. Fact is, everyone attacking XBL refuses to even try it and then tries to pass off the watered down service as somehow better because its free. Sorry if you refuse to use logic and try to argue...

Aorry but you have no proof the HOME will provide a similer or better structure then XBL. Just ther usual Sony overhype, just saying its better. Until you have experienced XBL instead of stated the 'I won't pay for XBL' mantra then your comments are meaningless...

DXGreat1_HGL

I was a HOME beta tester back in January.

I never said Home will be better than XBL, just that it will offer the same things free.

Also, I have played on XBL numerous times. It is a great service to have.

However, competition like Sony will offer those services free in a dynamic environment to PS3 owners.

Also mention, PC offers the same XBL services, free.

Instead of fighting your cause to pay for something, why not fight for it to be free?

Is there a reason you don't want XBL to be free?

That does make sense logically, but then being logical makes me wander why you would buy 2 copies of the same game for 2 consoles. Even if you own both, surely you would only buy 1 game. Logic would suggest your not being entirely honest, but i could bewrong.the1stmoonfly

Why is everyone's go-to argument around here "you must be lying"? Yes, I have a copy for both consoles. Yes, it's logical, as I have some friends with 360s and some friends with PS3s, and I'd like to be able to play against them.

Thanks for playing. Try coming back when you have an actual argument, instead of accusing me of lying.

[QUOTE="SHuN_G0Ku"][QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"]

Don't get you started because you can't come up with a concise argument as to why it;s worse because of the price.

DXGreat1_HGL

siigh... oh please...

just tell me how is paying $50/YR better than FREE just to play online; i mean, you're already getting charged for your internet and still you're getting charged for playing online...? ygtbfkm..

since i've been here, no lemms have come up with a justified reasonable answer on why people should catch every drop of milk that MS splashes and still come here to defend it.

Live should be free. I can understand that Freedom isn't..., but LIVE??

btw fyi, i maybe poor but i'm smart at $$$

Case in point. If you would have ever played online on both, you would clearly see that XBL is the far syperior online experience. Live is obviously more structered then PSN. If you tried both you know, Like i stated before, the people the golf on public access cources try to convince everyone its better then golfing on pro level cources.

ok i have tried both. and for the on-line play component alone (with out all the other things that makes live better than psn), I have had better on-line games on psn. I rarely have lag on psn but even with my connection i have had tons of it on live, in some games i couldn't even connect to a match. maybe I'm alone on this one but for me, the core on-line game experience is better on psn.

and you come up with one example of how bad psn is. Please elaborate on other games that you have had the same or similar problems with..

[QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"]

Aorry but you have no proof the HOME will provide a similer or better structure then XBL. Just ther usual Sony overhype, just saying its better. Until you have experienced XBL instead of stated the 'I won't pay for XBL' mantra then your comments are meaningless...

Cute_Red_Panda

I was a HOME beta tester back in January.

I never said Home will be better than XBL, just that it will offer the same things free.

Also, I have played on XBL numerous times. It is a great service to have.

However, competition like Sony will offer those services free in a dynamic environment to PS3 owners.

Also mention, PC offers the same XBL services, free.

Instead of fighting your cause to pay for something, why not fight for it to be free?

Is there a reason you don't want XBL to be free?

Yea sure and I invented the internet. Please try to use logic next time instead of grasping...

[QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"][QUOTE="SHuN_G0Ku"][QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"]

Don't get you started because you can't come up with a concise argument as to why it;s worse because of the price.

tumle

siigh... oh please...

just tell me how is paying $50/YR better than FREE just to play online; i mean, you're already getting charged for your internet and still you're getting charged for playing online...? ygtbfkm..

since i've been here, no lemms have come up with a justified reasonable answer on why people should catch every drop of milk that MS splashes and still come here to defend it.

Live should be free. I can understand that Freedom isn't..., but LIVE??

btw fyi, i maybe poor but i'm smart at $$$

Case in point. If you would have ever played online on both, you would clearly see that XBL is the far syperior online experience. Live is obviously more structered then PSN. If you tried both you know, Like i stated before, the people the golf on public access cources try to convince everyone its better then golfing on pro level cources.

ok i have tried both. and for the on-line play component alone (with out all the other things that makes live better than psn), I have had better on-line games on psn. I rarely have lag on psn but even with my connection i have had tons of it on live, in some games i couldn't even connect to a match. maybe I'm alone on this one but for me, the core on-line game experience is better on psn.

and you come up with one example of how bad psn is. Please elaborate on other games that you have had the same or similar problems with..

Well then that makes one of you. Live is the best experience period.

Well then that makes one of you. Live is the best experience period.

DXGreat1_HGL

How exactly? I demand lists! LISTS!

[QUOTE="tumle"][QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"][QUOTE="SHuN_G0Ku"][QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"]

Don't get you started because you can't come up with a concise argument as to why it;s worse because of the price.

DXGreat1_HGL

siigh... oh please...

just tell me how is paying $50/YR better than FREE just to play online; i mean, you're already getting charged for your internet and still you're getting charged for playing online...? ygtbfkm..

since i've been here, no lemms have come up with a justified reasonable answer on why people should catch every drop of milk that MS splashes and still come here to defend it.

Live should be free. I can understand that Freedom isn't..., but LIVE??

btw fyi, i maybe poor but i'm smart at $$$

Case in point. If you would have ever played online on both, you would clearly see that XBL is the far syperior online experience. Live is obviously more structered then PSN. If you tried both you know, Like i stated before, the people the golf on public access cources try to convince everyone its better then golfing on pro level cources.

ok i have tried both. and for the on-line play component alone (with out all the other things that makes live better than psn), I have had better on-line games on psn. I rarely have lag on psn but even with my connection i have had tons of it on live, in some games i couldn't even connect to a match. maybe I'm alone on this one but for me, the core on-line game experience is better on psn.

and you come up with one example of how bad psn is. Please elaborate on other games that you have had the same or similar problems with..

Well then that makes one of you. Live is the best experience period.

did I say that live was a bad experience?

i just said that the core online experience on psn has worked better for me, you know the one thing ms is charging you for... online gaming !!!

and the tc has only brought one game to the table that he is unhappy with on psn. witch is not even Sony's fault but the server provider, are you gonna blame ms when a game on pc is a lag fest or has other problems because its free?

and the tc has only brought one game to the table that he is unhappy with on psn. witch is not even Sony's fault but the server provider, are you gonna blame ms when a game on pc is a lag fest or has other problems because its free?

tumle

[QUOTE="tumle"]

and the tc has only brought one game to the table that he is unhappy with on psn. witch is not even Sony's fault but the server provider, are you gonna blame ms when a game on pc is a lag fest or has other problems because its free?

lowe0

It is Sony's fault.

However, just a point:

The majority of people have working copies of GTAIV, I just tested my copy out online to see if you were lieing or something :|

Worked perfectly fine.

[QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"]

Well then that makes one of you. Live is the best experience period.

Pietrooper

How exactly? I demand lists! LISTS!

You and I know that there will never be a list because these guys are so blinded by anything M$ wants to spin. I wonder what they will be saying when the Blu-Ray comes to the 360 and the games are developed on this drive within the next year or so.

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="tumle"]

and the tc has only brought one game to the table that he is unhappy with on psn. witch is not even Sony's fault but the server provider, are you gonna blame ms when a game on pc is a lag fest or has other problems because its free?

Pietrooper

It is Sony's fault.

However, just a point:

The majority of people have working copies of GTAIV, I just tested my copy out online to see if you were lieing or something :|

Worked perfectly fine.

So know you're the majority of people. nice...

Rockstar's fault.

Oh and btw, the PS3 version looks better, it was confirmed. Don't flatter yourself.

[QUOTE="Pietrooper"][QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"]

Well then that makes one of you. Live is the best experience period.

jimm895

How exactly? I demand lists! LISTS!

You and I know that there will never be a list because these guys are so blinded by anything M$ wants to spin. I wonder what they will be saying when the Blu-Ray comes to the 360 and the games are developed on this drive within the next year or so.

You ,eam how you didn't want rumble anymore because it was so last gen and Resistence 2 , killzone 2 and LBP are the most awesomest games ever because Sony told you so?

[QUOTE="Pietrooper"][QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="tumle"]

and the tc has only brought one game to the table that he is unhappy with on psn. witch is not even Sony's fault but the server provider, are you gonna blame ms when a game on pc is a lag fest or has other problems because its free?

DXGreat1_HGL

It is Sony's fault.

However, just a point:

The majority of people have working copies of GTAIV, I just tested my copy out online to see if you were lieing or something :|

Worked perfectly fine.

So know you're the majority of people. nice...

....

Of course the majority of people have working online GTA4. Notice how Sony and Take-Two said they only have a small number of reports of broken copies of GTA4?

[QUOTE="jimm895"][QUOTE="Pietrooper"][QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"]

Well then that makes one of you. Live is the best experience period.

DXGreat1_HGL

How exactly? I demand lists! LISTS!

You and I know that there will never be a list because these guys are so blinded by anything M$ wants to spin. I wonder what they will be saying when the Blu-Ray comes to the 360 and the games are developed on this drive within the next year or so.

You ,eam how you didn't want rumble anymore because it was so last gen and Resistence 2 , killzone 2 and LBP are the most awesomest games ever because Sony told you so?

They took back their word and gave us rumble. What do you think?

And I'm still waiting for the list of facts.

(And looks better - I hadn't tried the 360 version yet, but wow, that's quite a difference in clarity. I need to turn it off before I'm spoiled.)

lowe0

I thought the PS3 version looked better...at least, that's what everyone has said so far... :roll:

And what about the whole time XBL was down? What good is pay-to-play service if it doesn't work?

this argument only applies if XBL has never been taken down. Hewkii

Exactly.. In fact, MS even uses it as a hype machine when it does go down, claiming it to be the level of "unpredictable popularity" and not "incompetence" on their part.

What use is paying to play online if it is unreliable?

[QUOTE="Hewkii"]this argument only applies if XBL has never been taken down. leejohnson7

Exactly.. In fact, MS even uses it as a hype machine when it does go down, claiming it to be the level of "unpredictable popularity" and not "incompetence" on their part.

What use is paying to play online if it is unreliable?

I love how people equate a few isolated instances as unreliability. It's also funny to note that the inferior PSN seems to get a free pass from all problems since it's free.

BTW, can you PSN players determine your world ranking in every online game by clicking on your ID's?

[QUOTE="leejohnson7"]

[QUOTE="Hewkii"]this argument only applies if XBL has never been taken down. DXGreat1_HGL

Exactly.. In fact, MS even uses it as a hype machine when it does go down, claiming it to be the level of "unpredictable popularity" and not "incompetence" on their part.

What use is paying to play online if it is unreliable?

I love how people equate a few isolated instances as unreliability. It's also funny to note that the inferior PSN seems to get a free pass from all problems since it's free.

BTW, can you PSN players determine your world ranking in every online game by clicking on your ID's?

Wouldn't know, XBL only - when my 360 isn't fried anyway.

[QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"][QUOTE="leejohnson7"]

[QUOTE="Hewkii"]this argument only applies if XBL has never been taken down. leejohnson7

Exactly.. In fact, MS even uses it as a hype machine when it does go down, claiming it to be the level of "unpredictable popularity" and not "incompetence" on their part.

What use is paying to play online if it is unreliable?

I love how people equate a few isolated instances as unreliability. It's also funny to note that the inferior PSN seems to get a free pass from all problems since it's free.

BTW, can you PSN players determine your world ranking in every online game by clicking on your ID's?

Wouldn't know, XBL only - when my 360 isn't fried anyway.

The last part doesn't apply to you then...

[QUOTE="leejohnson7"][QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"][QUOTE="leejohnson7"]

[QUOTE="Hewkii"]this argument only applies if XBL has never been taken down. DXGreat1_HGL

Exactly.. In fact, MS even uses it as a hype machine when it does go down, claiming it to be the level of "unpredictable popularity" and not "incompetence" on their part.

What use is paying to play online if it is unreliable?

I love how people equate a few isolated instances as unreliability. It's also funny to note that the inferior PSN seems to get a free pass from all problems since it's free.

BTW, can you PSN players determine your world ranking in every online game by clicking on your ID's?

Wouldn't know, XBL only - when my 360 isn't fried anyway.

The last part doesn't apply to you then...

People are paying for something that doesn't function consistantly, but instead of apologies being said, they anounce it at a gaming event like it's a good thing how the amount of people coming online was "unpredictable".

People are paying for something that doesn't function consistantly, but instead of apologies being said, they anounce it at a gaming event like it's a good thing how the amount of people coming online was "unpredictable".

leejohnson7

OK so it was an oversight on MS's part, My only wish was they could have compensated everybody better...

Blahh again, I posted this earlier, the online for GTA4 does work. Just sign off of PSN before you start GTA4, then go to the multiplayer options and sign back into PSN on the cell phone. Everything will work fine from there, including single player. If you turn off your console, just do the same thing again.

Honestly, I don't feel like Live and PSN offer anything too different especially since I play with friends and not just invite random people I play with to be my friend on Live. I'm also not into checking the dashboard every so often to see who's playing what. If no ones playing the game I am, just pug it. There really is no big difference when in-game.

[QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"][QUOTE="jimm895"][QUOTE="Pietrooper"][QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"]

Well then that makes one of you. Live is the best experience period.

Pietrooper

How exactly? I demand lists! LISTS!

You and I know that there will never be a list because these guys are so blinded by anything M$ wants to spin. I wonder what they will be saying when the Blu-Ray comes to the 360 and the games are developed on this drive within the next year or so.

You ,eam how you didn't want rumble anymore because it was so last gen and Resistence 2 , killzone 2 and LBP are the most awesomest games ever because Sony told you so?

They took back their word and gave us rumble. What do you think?

And I'm still waiting for the list of facts.

I have been waiting on these facts but there has yet to be any facts that can be backed up from those guys. I personally didn't care for rumble that these fans seem to use now. And then we did get a wireless controller from day one with motion sensing and a built in battery that has all the charging cables that worked very very good even on PS2 games that were supported by the PS3 and all but the 40 gig had very good BC for these games to boot.

I have been waiting on these facts but there has yet to be any facts that can be backed up from those guys. I personally didn't care for rumble that these fans seem to use now. And then we did get a wireless controller from day one with motion sensing and a built in battery that has all the charging cables that worked very very good even on PS2 games that were supported by the PS3 and all but the 40 gig had very good BC for these games to boot.

jimm895

Way to completly smokescreen the fact that Sony fans are by far more blindly loyal then anyone. Face reality, Sony tells you what to like and not like and you buy in. This whole response reeks of Sony spin.

I already mentioned one thing. XBL players can see how they rank against other players on XBL, PSN can't. As I've stated in another thread, the majority of people that say PSN is better only because it's free...

[QUOTE="jimm895"]

I have been waiting on these facts but there has yet to be any facts that can be backed up from those guys. I personally didn't care for rumble that these fans seem to use now. And then we did get a wireless controller from day one with motion sensing and a built in battery that has all the charging cables that worked very very good even on PS2 games that were supported by the PS3 and all but the 40 gig had very good BC for these games to boot.

DXGreat1_HGL

Way to completly smokescreen the fact that Sony fans are by far more blindly loyal then anyone. Face reality, Sony tells you what to like and not like and you buy in. This whole response reeks of Sony spin.

I already mentioned one thing. XBL players can see how they rank against other players on XBL, PSN can't. As I've stated in another thread, the majority of people that say PSN is better only because it's free...

There is still nothing there wop de do they rank players with players of the same rank guess what the same thing was on PS2 games. I can check the rankings of each game that I play on-line once I get into the game. The nice thing is it doesn't take playing games that I don't enjoy to gain these ranks where with the 360 there are certain games that almost have to be played to gain certain acomplishments. Instead I can play the games I enjoy and rank up in that game.

[QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"][QUOTE="jimm895"]

I have been waiting on these facts but there has yet to be any facts that can be backed up from those guys. I personally didn't care for rumble that these fans seem to use now. And then we did get a wireless controller from day one with motion sensing and a built in battery that has all the charging cables that worked very very good even on PS2 games that were supported by the PS3 and all but the 40 gig had very good BC for these games to boot.

jimm895

Way to completly smokescreen the fact that Sony fans are by far more blindly loyal then anyone. Face reality, Sony tells you what to like and not like and you buy in. This whole response reeks of Sony spin.

I already mentioned one thing. XBL players can see how they rank against other players on XBL, PSN can't. As I've stated in another thread, the majority of people that say PSN is better only because it's free...

There is still nothing there wop de do they rank players with players of the same rank guess what the same thing was on PS2 games. I can check the rankings of each game that I play on-line once I get into the game. The nice thing is it doesn't take playing games that I don't enjoy to gain these ranks where with the 360 there are certain games that almost have to be played to gain certain acomplishments. Instead I can play the games I enjoy and rank up in that game.

You've never played XBL, I've played PSN. So your continued spin is as meaningless as everyone slse trying to argue.

Where did you come up with that 'XBL players have to play games they don't enjoy to gain ranks' bunk. Youre just a delusional hater. Heck, MOST multiplat owners agree that the online XBL experience is better.

Now go run to Sony.com to come up with more spin...

Sorry but it looks like u didnt connecte your Ps3 right. Happens to anything... in my experience PSN runs faster/better than XBL. Guess i just know how to set things up.beinss

So what's your XBL gamertag?

Sorry but it looks like u didnt connecte your Ps3 right. Happens to anything... in my experience PSN runs faster/better than XBL. Guess i just know how to set things up.beinss

[QUOTE="jimm895"][QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"][QUOTE="jimm895"]

I have been waiting on these facts but there has yet to be any facts that can be backed up from those guys. I personally didn't care for rumble that these fans seem to use now. And then we did get a wireless controller from day one with motion sensing and a built in battery that has all the charging cables that worked very very good even on PS2 games that were supported by the PS3 and all but the 40 gig had very good BC for these games to boot.

DXGreat1_HGL

Way to completly smokescreen the fact that Sony fans are by far more blindly loyal then anyone. Face reality, Sony tells you what to like and not like and you buy in. This whole response reeks of Sony spin.

I already mentioned one thing. XBL players can see how they rank against other players on XBL, PSN can't. As I've stated in another thread, the majority of people that say PSN is better only because it's free...

There is still nothing there wop de do they rank players with players of the same rank guess what the same thing was on PS2 games. I can check the rankings of each game that I play on-line once I get into the game. The nice thing is it doesn't take playing games that I don't enjoy to gain these ranks where with the 360 there are certain games that almost have to be played to gain certain acomplishments. Instead I can play the games I enjoy and rank up in that game.

You've never played XBL, I've played PSN. So your continued spin is as meaningless as everyone slse trying to argue.

Where did you come up with that 'XBL players have to play games they don't enjoy to gain ranks' bunk. Youre just a delusional hater. Heck, MOST multiplat owners agree that the online XBL experience is better.

Now go run to Sony.com to come up with more spin...

if your impressed by a ranking system... i believe your helpless...

Honestly, i never knew anybody that defended paying fifty bucks for xbox live till i joined system wars.

if your impressed by a ranking system... i believe your helpless...

Honestly, i never knew anybody that defended paying fifty bucks for xbox live till i joined system wars.

blackeneddeath

You are so right. I should just take every fanboys spin at face value as opposed to having tangible proof of someones gaming ability.:roll: Then again, since Sony tells you people it isn't important, you beleive them and you must just spend your life locked up because I don't know anyone outside of here that tries to pass off such an inferior service as better just because it's free...

[QUOTE="blackeneddeath"]

if your impressed by a ranking system... i believe your helpless...

Honestly, i never knew anybody that defended paying fifty bucks for xbox live till i joined system wars.

DXGreat1_HGL

You are so right. I should just take every fanboys spin at face value as opposed to having tangible proof of someones gaming ability.:roll: Then again, since Sony tells you people it isn't important, you beleive them and you must just spend your life locked up because I don't know anyone outside of here that tries to pass off such an inferior service as better just because it's free...

i havent even played psn... Its just i havent ever seen a game with out a ranking system already in it. This is nothing new, and was even put on the ps2 with games. I dont even know what your trying to argue that is so great about xbox live other than saying its just better than psn, untill you mentioned ranking. Unless you are saying clicking a persons gamertag to see their rank on their games is new an awsome, ranking in games have been around for years. And please go into detail about this inferior online service, other than stating its inferior.

[QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"][QUOTE="blackeneddeath"]

if your impressed by a ranking system... i believe your helpless...

Honestly, i never knew anybody that defended paying fifty bucks for xbox live till i joined system wars.

blackeneddeath

You are so right. I should just take every fanboys spin at face value as opposed to having tangible proof of someones gaming ability.:roll: Then again, since Sony tells you people it isn't important, you beleive them and you must just spend your life locked up because I don't know anyone outside of here that tries to pass off such an inferior service as better just because it's free...

i havent even played psn... Its just i havent ever seen a game with out a ranking system already in it. This is nothing new, and was even put on the ps2 with games. I dont even know what your trying to argue that is so great about xbox live other than saying its just better than psn, untill you mentioned ranking. Unless you are saying clicking a persons gamertag to see their rank on their games is new an awsome, ranking in games have been around for years. And please go into detail about this inferior online service, other than stating its inferior.

I haven't encountered a PSN player yet that can even challenge me. The interface was a total joke. Heck running the internet on PSN is a joke. It's way easier to access XBL, download anything on it. You can tell MS did some work on XBL whereas Sony just smattered it on . By utilizing ranking, I can play against someone with similer skils and at least be challenged. Inferior players and interface = inferior experience. Simple as that.

[QUOTE="blackeneddeath"][QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"][QUOTE="blackeneddeath"]

if your impressed by a ranking system... i believe your helpless...

Honestly, i never knew anybody that defended paying fifty bucks for xbox live till i joined system wars.

DXGreat1_HGL

You are so right. I should just take every fanboys spin at face value as opposed to having tangible proof of someones gaming ability.:roll: Then again, since Sony tells you people it isn't important, you beleive them and you must just spend your life locked up because I don't know anyone outside of here that tries to pass off such an inferior service as better just because it's free...

i havent even played psn... Its just i havent ever seen a game with out a ranking system already in it. This is nothing new, and was even put on the ps2 with games. I dont even know what your trying to argue that is so great about xbox live other than saying its just better than psn, untill you mentioned ranking. Unless you are saying clicking a persons gamertag to see their rank on their games is new an awsome, ranking in games have been around for years. And please go into detail about this inferior online service, other than stating its inferior.

I haven't encountered a PSN player yet that can even challenge me. The interface was a total joke. Heck running the internet on PSN is a joke. It's way easier to access XBL, download anything on it. You can tell MS did some work on XBL whereas Sony just smattered it on . By utilizing ranking, I can play against someone with similer skils and at least be challenged. Inferior players and interface = inferior experience. Simple as that.

while i am not going to deny that live is better than psn, i just can't see how psn is really that bad. I have played on live quite a lot with my friends 360 and it really didnt seem all that impressive when playing a game online especially with halo 3 and cod 4 having times where being extremely laggy(could be his connection), but I havent really gotten to fool around with it too much outside of playing an online so i cannot really say too much. Honestly, i think you are exagerating things to the extreme when it comes to psn, and inferior interface=/= inferior players.