What happend?

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

Excuse me, but you just called out an entire union in a thread asking why PS3 games get bashed. I presented a logical, well thought out post, that was praised by people in this thread, so I ask you what kind of hypocrisy for GUFU I represent? GUFU members represent all sides of the debate - we are not opposed to fans - simply blind fanboyism. Simply claiming GUFU is hypocriticial, with little evidence, is absurd - we don't represent one point of view, nor does every member of GUFU like every sytem equally - that's not a claim we make.

GUFU simply represents intelligent posters who love gaming. Blind fanboyism, generally speaking, represents the kind of posts fans of all systems claim to detest. You don't like it when Halo / Metroid / Mario / Final Fantasy / et cetera get blindly and ignorantly bashed, do you?


Shusty_lives

You say Nintendo was ruining gaming with the Wii...Yes, your post was dead on about why is it that way. So dead on that you could have been looking in the mirror saying the same thing, and the guy in the mirror should've feel ashamed.

We don't praise every system like the next messiah, we now system's have flaws, and we don't all go PSWii60PC for reasons like money or bad games. But we don't mindlessly bash the systems just because we can't play them or whatever reason. We give every system a chance to prove itself.

[QUOTE="BlazeDragon132"]Since when would be say we treat every system fair? It is just that we won't let any system keep us from playing and buying games. Besides, there is no such thing as truely unbaised, everyone has more of a system than others. That doesn't keep members from playing and liking games on another system.

Tsug_Ze_Wind

I've heard different things from most other GUFU members. If some of you truly do think you're unbiased, you're far more blind than any of us "down here."

GUFU is supposed to be "SW's best posters," but SW's best posters wouldn't (or shouldn't) be in an elitist club, and wouldn't look down upon where they're respected.

That is all.

I dislike how I argue with one and 3 others members backs him up. Especially something silly as "best/worst system of all time".

We don't praise every system like the next messiah, we now system's have flaws, and we don't all go PSWii60PC for reasons like money or bad games. But we don't mindlessly bash the systems just because we can't play them or whatever reason. We give every system a chance to prove itself.

CJL13

As oppose to mindful bashing?

[QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"][QUOTE="BlazeDragon132"]Since when would be say we treat every system fair? It is just that we won't let any system keep us from playing and buying games. Besides, there is no such thing as truely unbaised, everyone has more of a system than others. That doesn't keep members from playing and liking games on another system.

Shusty_lives

I've heard different things from most other GUFU members. If some of you truly do think you're unbiased, you're far more blind than any of us "down here."

GUFU is supposed to be "SW's best posters," but SW's best posters wouldn't (or shouldn't) be in an elitist club, and wouldn't look down upon where they're respected.

That is all.

I dislike how I argue with one and 3 others members backs him up. Especially something silly as "best/worst system of all time".

We only do that when someone is debating someone and someone is flaming or merely ignoring what they're saying. At times GUFU members have debates with each other. We're not such some gang that jumps on anyone who disagrees with us.

[QUOTE="CJL13"]

We don't praise every system like the next messiah, we now system's have flaws, and we don't all go PSWii60PC for reasons like money or bad games. But we don't mindlessly bash the systems just because we can't play them or whatever reason. We give every system a chance to prove itself.

Shusty_lives

As oppose to mindful bashing?

Well if you have a good reason why you don't like a system (Bad games, too high of a pricepoint, easy to break) that's fine with us.

We don't praise every system like the next messiah, we now system's have flaws, and we don't all go PSWii60PC for reasons like money or bad games. But we don't mindlessly bash the systems just because we can't play them or whatever reason. We give every system a chance to prove itself.CJL13

I'm sure most of SW doesn't mindlessly bash either. I'm alsosure we all know the systems have flaws, but why would we say that? That sounds so corny. Instead we debate on what flaw is more important.

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

Excuse me, but you just called out an entire union in a thread asking why PS3 games get bashed. I presented a logical, well thought out post, that was praised by people in this thread, so I ask you what kind of hypocrisy for GUFU I represent? GUFU members represent all sides of the debate - we are not opposed to fans - simply blind fanboyism. Simply claiming GUFU is hypocriticial, with little evidence, is absurd - we don't represent one point of view, nor does every member of GUFU like every sytem equally - that's not a claim we make.

GUFU simply represents intelligent posters who love gaming. Blind fanboyism, generally speaking, represents the kind of posts fans of all systems claim to detest. You don't like it when Halo / Metroid / Mario / Final Fantasy / et cetera get blindly and ignorantly bashed, do you?


Shusty_lives

You say Nintendo was ruining gaming with the Wii...Yes, your post was dead on about why is it that way. So dead on that you could have been looking in the mirror saying the same thing, and the guy in the mirror should've feel ashamed.

[QUOTE="CJL13"]We don't praise every system like the next messiah, we now system's have flaws, and we don't all go PSWii60PC for reasons like money or bad games. But we don't mindlessly bash the systems just because we can't play them or whatever reason. We give every system a chance to prove itself.Tsug_Ze_Wind

I'm sure most of SW doesn't mindlessly bash either. I'm alsosure we all know the systems have flaws, but why would we say that? That sounds so corny. Instead we debate on what flaw is more important.

That's fine, but me personally (Not all of GUFU feels this way) want to discuss the positives of systems as well as their flaws.

My opinions on the Wii are not blind fanboyism - they do not come from a lack of experience gaming on the Wii (I've played hundreds of hours on the system) nor do they come from a loyalty to a particular brand. Nintendo's direction with the Wii represents one that is an anathema to my view of gaming, and defiant of what I feel a videogame should be. I have seen this trend continue in many titles I once enjoyed.

But no matter the reason, you're still now anti-Nintendo, and that makes you a fanboy. You wouldn't say you're blind, but why would you?

Some things you said in "that thread" would fall under "blind fanboyism." Some things you say still about the Wii would fall under "blind fanboyism," and that's because you've acquired an anti-Nintendo bias from the Wii.

For example, I enjoy playing Mario Strikers on the GCN with my little brothers. It's a fun little game, not deep, but something that you pick up for some multiplayer, and with enough headroom that you can feel like you're getting good at it. I recently put about fifteen hours into Mario Strikers on the Wii, and was hugely dissapointed with the game. The new team captains "block the kick" minigame that has replaced their megastrikes slows down the gameplay, and removes their usefulness - much like when DBZ added the "tap the button as fast as you can" beam attacks - it made an already shallow game feel absolutely vapid.

You use that example quite a bit it seems...it doesn't seem like that big of a deal for your main example. :?

I fail to see how many opinions on the Wii represent any hypocrisy on my part - I am not a fanboy, and you'd be hard-pressed to logically defend any post calling me blind. While you were calling out GUFU, I was busy discussing the positives of Metroid Prime 3 in a fanboyism-free (and ad-free) thread, so again, how are my views on the Wii relevant here? They do represent my views on gaming - which are based on my experiences - something I constantly seek more of - I've spent more time on a system I dislike than many people who claim to like the system - something few detractors of other systems can claim.

Yeah, and I talk about games not on my console of choice as well. Don't you see? That doesn't matter at all. Your view on fanboys is, ironically, closed-minded.

So please, again, I fail to see any hypocrisy on GUFU's part - I do see many people who think fanboyism is a positive thing attack GUFU (and its membes) for representing a game-centric viewpoint, rather than a system-centric one, and that's simply a shame.

Incorrect. GUFU's elitism (which I've covered many times) is the reason I and many others dislike the union. Be manticores all you please, but don't come here and tell us what we're doing is wrong, when most of you do it just as much.

If you'd like to discuss further, the news posts in the front of the union are open for you to do so, and I (and the other members) are happy to accept PMs.
subrosian

C'mon now, why the dodginess? If I don't call you out, no one will. :)

[QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

[QUOTE="CJL13"]We don't praise every system like the next messiah, we now system's have flaws, and we don't all go PSWii60PC for reasons like money or bad games. But we don't mindlessly bash the systems just because we can't play them or whatever reason. We give every system a chance to prove itself.CJL13

I'm sure most of SW doesn't mindlessly bash either. I'm alsosure we all know the systems have flaws, but why would we say that? That sounds so corny. Instead we debate on what flaw is more important.

That's fine, but me personally (Not all of GUFU feels this way) want to discuss the positives of systems as well as their flaws.

We do that as well. It may be in a more negativefashion than some would like, but in the end, it's pitting system against system, positives and negatives, no BS in between.

If you prefer the BS in between, then that's perfectlyfine. :)

If you accept and even admit to enjoying the company of fanboys here on System Wars, then what was this all about again? Because it sounds like the only kind of fanboys that irk you are the non-PS3-hating variety, which is in itself suggestively fanboyish. Hey, I own a 360, and I don't exactly like it whenever I see people trying to convince me that I wasted my money, but I accept the fact that these kinds of people aren't going to shut up. Ever. I may jump in the mix with them and duke it out if I'm feeling particularly feisty, but who doesn't? And if it appears as though I'm hopelessly outnumbered in my opinion, I stop. No hard feelings, just let it go and be a little more choosey in my battles next time. I suggest you do the same. Stop taking it to heart and seeing anti-PS3 conspiracies everywhere.D0013ER

lol. Nothing like that. Way off base on this post. As I said, I love all fanboys. They're funny, crazy, and gives SW that special feel. It's the elitist forumites that I tend to stay away from debating, but somehow they just love to debate with me. I rather have a go at it with JiveT than have an intellectual debate with subursian about How gaming should be.

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

My opinions on the Wii are not blind fanboyism - they do not come from a lack of experience gaming on the Wii (I've played hundreds of hours on the system) nor do they come from a loyalty to a particular brand. Nintendo's direction with the Wii represents one that is an anathema to my view of gaming, and defiant of what I feel a videogame should be. I have seen this trend continue in many titles I once enjoyed.

But no matter the reason, you're still now anti-Nintendo, and that makes you a fanboy. You wouldn't say you're blind, but why would you?

Some things you said in "that thread" would fall under "blind fanboyism." Some things you say still about the Wii would fall under "blind fanboyism," and that's because you've acquired an anti-Nintendo bias from the Wii.

For example, I enjoy playing Mario Strikers on the GCN with my little brothers. It's a fun little game, not deep, but something that you pick up for some multiplayer, and with enough headroom that you can feel like you're getting good at it. I recently put about fifteen hours into Mario Strikers on the Wii, and was hugely dissapointed with the game. The new team captains "block the kick" minigame that has replaced their megastrikes slows down the gameplay, and removes their usefulness - much like when DBZ added the "tap the button as fast as you can" beam attacks - it made an already shallow game feel absolutely vapid.

You use that example quite a bit it seems...it doesn't seem like that big of a deal for your main example. :?

I fail to see how many opinions on the Wii represent any hypocrisy on my part - I am not a fanboy, and you'd be hard-pressed to logically defend any post calling me blind. While you were calling out GUFU, I was busy discussing the positives of Metroid Prime 3 in a fanboyism-free (and ad-free) thread, so again, how are my views on the Wii relevant here? They do represent my views on gaming - which are based on my experiences - something I constantly seek more of - I've spent more time on a system I dislike than many people who claim to like the system - something few detractors of other systems can claim.

Yeah, and I talk about games not on my console of choice as well. Don't you see? That doesn't matter at all. Your view on fanboys is, ironically, closed-minded.

So please, again, I fail to see any hypocrisy on GUFU's part - I do see many people who think fanboyism is a positive thing attack GUFU (and its membes) for representing a game-centric viewpoint, rather than a system-centric one, and that's simply a shame.

Incorrect. GUFU's elitism (which I've covered many times) is the reason I and many others dislike the union. Be manticores all you please, but don't come here and tell us what we're doing is wrong, when most of you do it just as much.

If you'd like to discuss further, the news posts in the front of the union are open for you to do so, and I (and the other members) are happy to accept PMs.
Tsug_Ze_Wind

C'mon now, why the dodginess? If I don't call you out, no one will. :)

[QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

My opinions on the Wii are not blind fanboyism - they do not come from a lack of experience gaming on the Wii (I've played hundreds of hours on the system) nor do they come from a loyalty to a particular brand. Nintendo's direction with the Wii represents one that is an anathema to my view of gaming, and defiant of what I feel a videogame should be. I have seen this trend continue in many titles I once enjoyed.

But no matter the reason, you're still now anti-Nintendo, and that makes you a fanboy. You wouldn't say you're blind, but why would you?

Some things you said in "that thread" would fall under "blind fanboyism." Some things you say still about the Wii would fall under "blind fanboyism," and that's because you've acquired an anti-Nintendo bias from the Wii.

For example, I enjoy playing Mario Strikers on the GCN with my little brothers. It's a fun little game, not deep, but something that you pick up for some multiplayer, and with enough headroom that you can feel like you're getting good at it. I recently put about fifteen hours into Mario Strikers on the Wii, and was hugely dissapointed with the game. The new team captains "block the kick" minigame that has replaced their megastrikes slows down the gameplay, and removes their usefulness - much like when DBZ added the "tap the button as fast as you can" beam attacks - it made an already shallow game feel absolutely vapid.

You use that example quite a bit it seems...it doesn't seem like that big of a deal for your main example. :?

I fail to see how many opinions on the Wii represent any hypocrisy on my part - I am not a fanboy, and you'd be hard-pressed to logically defend any post calling me blind. While you were calling out GUFU, I was busy discussing the positives of Metroid Prime 3 in a fanboyism-free (and ad-free) thread, so again, how are my views on the Wii relevant here? They do represent my views on gaming - which are based on my experiences - something I constantly seek more of - I've spent more time on a system I dislike than many people who claim to like the system - something few detractors of other systems can claim.

Yeah, and I talk about games not on my console of choice as well. Don't you see? That doesn't matter at all. Your view on fanboys is, ironically, closed-minded.

So please, again, I fail to see any hypocrisy on GUFU's part - I do see many people who think fanboyism is a positive thing attack GUFU (and its membes) for representing a game-centric viewpoint, rather than a system-centric one, and that's simply a shame.

Incorrect. GUFU's elitism (which I've covered many times) is the reason I and many others dislike the union. Be manticores all you please, but don't come here and tell us what we're doing is wrong, when most of you do it just as much.

If you'd like to discuss further, the news posts in the front of the union are open for you to do so, and I (and the other members) are happy to accept PMs.
subrosian

C'mon now, why the dodginess? If I don't call you out, no one will. :)

It easier for people to dicredit others as fanboys just because they don't like what that person has to say, if its a genuine opinion or not.

I'm not anti-Nintendo, I'm opposed to the Wii. That doesn't mean I think games like Metroid Prime 3 are bad simply because they're on the Wii, nor does it mean I won't buy a system that Nintendo puts out that meets my needs.

Also, GUFU does not represent the manticore point-of-view at all, it represents a union of intelligent posters - there is quite a world of difference. You wouldn't call me a manticore, would you?

As far as telling people what they're doing is wrong - unfounded claims, ignorant statements, and blind fanboyism are off-limits for GUFU. To call me a fanboy, you have to imply that I'm a *fanatic* of some platform - as someone who's going to game on a PC, 360, and PS3 this generation, that's a rather bold claim to make. Every platform has faults, and which platform is right for me as a hardcore gamer varies.

I've been under an impression for quite some time that your problem with me stems from the viewpoint that everyone has to be a fanboy - and as someone who opposed to pointless brand loyalty - I have no particular company for you to nail me to.
subrosian

So, you would buy another Nintendo system? That kind of contradicts the statement you made in "that thread" that went something to the effect of "Nintendo will never get another dollar from me." That would be considered anti-Nintendo, methinks.

You don't have to think that every Wii game will be bad to be anti-Nintendo. :? There's no one in SW who actually thinks no good game will ever come out for the system they hate.

Okay, not manticores, "fans." :roll: To me, that says "I'm a fanboy, but I don't want to be included in that group." That is elitist, and that is my point.

That last comment has a sense of irrational label-hatred to it. You aren't one of those people, are you? Anyway, all joking about lemmingness aside, to be a fanboy, you have to exhibit loyalty or hatred towards a company. You have hatredtowards Nintendo, reagrdless of what you're saying now, so you are a fanboy. I'm suuuuuuure you can live with it.

However, I consider fanboy in SWto be lighter than that. The side you argue the mostdecides what type of fanboy you are. That's it. Now, humor this for a moment and think of what fanboy you would be.

Anyway, I have to go to lunch, so I won't be responding for a while if you expect me to.

It easier for people to dicredit others as fanboys just because they don't like what that person has to say, if its a genuine opinion or not.tomarlyn

Except when I call someone a fanboy, I'm not trying to discredit them. ;)

Here's the grim reality of how fanboyism works:

"I bought this product, therefore it's the best". The people who own only one next generation system, or own all of them but one, are the most likely to fall into this method of thinking.

More people own the Xbox 360 and Wii than the PS3 (simple fact) and that translates, for some of them into, into justifying why the Xbox 360 is "hands down" better than the PS3. To understand how this is absurd, you need only look at the "xbox 360 fanboy" attacks on the PC. When someone says "the GeForce 8800gtx only has slightly better graphics than an Xbox 360 and you can't use it with an HDTV" - you have to say "this person's information is inaccurate, and they only seek information that supports their bias."

It's a simple reality - we've got a bunch of people who spent a lot of money on hardware, sticking their fingers in their ears going "la la la, my system is the best!" on all sides. It's more subtle than that - but it's absolutely true.

So why do Xbox 360 games with a high likelyhood of failure get optimists defending them, while PS3 games with a high likelyhood of success get massive pessimisim thrown at that? You need only look at the score of Xbox 360 and Wii owners who want to believe the PS3 offers nothing, and who wish doom on the PS3 games, because they cannot play them.

Now, obviously, you may ask me for some evidence to this claim. Simple - look at the number of people who *want games to flop.* Why on earth would you be opposed (as a gamer) to every game coming out being of high quality? Yet these people want Halo 3, Bioshock, Killzone 2, Metroid Prime 3, or whatnot to fail - because it's on a system they don't game on - and a successful title they cannot play is unacceptable.

This is why fanboyism is absolutely selfish, and a form of hatred on gaming, however, there's little we can do about it. Very few people take the time to realize how brand loyalty is a detriment to their ability to appreciate gaming as a whole.

subrosian

Great post Mr

Why is it when a PS3 game get displayed here, that skepticism comes into play of the game's gameplay and graphics? Yet, when a 360 game gets displayed it full of optimism and hope.

With all fanboyism to the side, More 360 games has flopped than any other console, yet people still look forward to them more so than the others. Also, Wasn't it Sony who produced thousands of games with the PS1 and PS2? Wasn't it M$ that had the lacklusting gaming library last gen? What happen? Why is Sony games under scrutiny and not Xbox360?

Shusty_lives

something you dont realise, hating the PS3 is whats in now a day, ppl look at too human and think its going ot be GOTY 2008, and that game dsnt even look amazing at all, just bcz its on Unreal engine 3....but when ppl look at KILLZONE 2 a game that can match crysis, then everyone bashes it and only looks at the bad things, ppl are just ignorant and you should ignore them, if you own a PS3, then once you get the games you'll be happy to play them. but w/e id toss more into here, but ppl would start bashing my opinion so ya....

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

I'm not anti-Nintendo, I'm opposed to the Wii. That doesn't mean I think games like Metroid Prime 3 are bad simply because they're on the Wii, nor does it mean I won't buy a system that Nintendo puts out that meets my needs.

Also, GUFU does not represent the manticore point-of-view at all, it represents a union of intelligent posters - there is quite a world of difference. You wouldn't call me a manticore, would you?

As far as telling people what they're doing is wrong - unfounded claims, ignorant statements, and blind fanboyism are off-limits for GUFU. To call me a fanboy, you have to imply that I'm a *fanatic* of some platform - as someone who's going to game on a PC, 360, and PS3 this generation, that's a rather bold claim to make. Every platform has faults, and which platform is right for me as a hardcore gamer varies.

I've been under an impression for quite some time that your problem with me stems from the viewpoint that everyone has to be a fanboy - and as someone who opposed to pointless brand loyalty - I have no particular company for you to nail me to.
Tsug_Ze_Wind

So, you would buy another Nintendo system? That kind of contradicts the statement you made in "that thread" that went something to the effect of "Nintendo will never get another dollar from me." That would be considered anti-Nintendo, methinks.

You don't have to think that every Wii game will be bad to be anti-Nintendo. :? There's no one in SW who actually thinks no good game will ever come out for the system they hate.

Okay, not manticores, "fans." :roll: To me, that says "I'm a fanboy, but I don't want to be included in that group." That is elitist, and that is my point.

That last comment has a sense of irrational label-hatred to it. You aren't one of those people, are you? Anyway, all joking about lemmingness aside, to be a fanboy, you have to exhibit loyalty or hatred towards a company. You have hatredtowards Nintendo, reagrdless of what you're saying now, so you are a fanboy. I'm suuuuuuure you can live with it.

However, I consider fanboy in SWto be lighter than that. The side you argue the mostdecides what type of fanboy you are. That's it. Now, humor this for a moment and think of what fanboy you would be.

Anyway, I have to go to lunch, so I won't be responding for a while if you expect me to.

This generation, Nintendo has put out the Wii, which I have fundamental problems with as a gamer. It does not meet my needs, and represents a direction, level of presentation, and feature-set that does not interest me. How does that make me a fanboy?

I'm more complex than your simple label-and-dismiss strategy allows for - and I have ideologies that go beyond what any one thread would represent of me. You have chosen in the past to call yourself a Nintendo fanboy, that is your decision. I am not a fanboy for any side, respect my decision.


GUFU represents a certain caliber, viewpoint, and sty le of posting - if we are elitist for encorcing the philosophy that defines us in our membership, then so be it - but, as I've said many times, you have a serious complaint - I'd be happy to take it up in PM, rather than in SW.

[QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"][QUOTE="subrosian"]

I'm not anti-Nintendo, I'm opposed to the Wii. That doesn't mean I think games like Metroid Prime 3 are bad simply because they're on the Wii, nor does it mean I won't buy a system that Nintendo puts out that meets my needs.

Also, GUFU does not represent the manticore point-of-view at all, it represents a union of intelligent posters - there is quite a world of difference. You wouldn't call me a manticore, would you?

As far as telling people what they're doing is wrong - unfounded claims, ignorant statements, and blind fanboyism are off-limits for GUFU. To call me a fanboy, you have to imply that I'm a *fanatic* of some platform - as someone who's going to game on a PC, 360, and PS3 this generation, that's a rather bold claim to make. Every platform has faults, and which platform is right for me as a hardcore gamer varies.

I've been under an impression for quite some time that your problem with me stems from the viewpoint that everyone has to be a fanboy - and as someone who opposed to pointless brand loyalty - I have no particular company for you to nail me to.
subrosian

So, you would buy another Nintendo system? That kind of contradicts the statement you made in "that thread" that went something to the effect of "Nintendo will never get another dollar from me." That would be considered anti-Nintendo, methinks.

You don't have to think that every Wii game will be bad to be anti-Nintendo. :? There's no one in SW who actually thinks no good game will ever come out for the system they hate.

Okay, not manticores, "fans." :roll: To me, that says "I'm a fanboy, but I don't want to be included in that group." That is elitist, and that is my point.

That last comment has a sense of irrational label-hatred to it. You aren't one of those people, are you? Anyway, all joking about lemmingness aside, to be a fanboy, you have to exhibit loyalty or hatred towards a company. You have hatredtowards Nintendo, reagrdless of what you're saying now, so you are a fanboy. I'm suuuuuuure you can live with it.

However, I consider fanboy in SWto be lighter than that. The side you argue the mostdecides what type of fanboy you are. That's it. Now, humor this for a moment and think of what fanboy you would be.

Anyway, I have to go to lunch, so I won't be responding for a while if you expect me to.

This generation, Nintendo has put out the Wii, which I have fundamental problems with as a gamer. It does not meet my needs, and represents a direction, level of presentation, and feature-set that does not interest me. How does that make me a fanboy?

I'm more complex than your simple label-and-dismiss strategy allows for - and I have ideologies that go beyond what any one thread would represent of me. You have chosen in the past to call yourself a Nintendo fanboy, that is your decision. I am not a fanboy for any side, respect my decision.


GUFU represents a certain caliber, viewpoint, and sty le of posting - if we are elitist for encorcing the philosophy that defines us in our membership, then so be it - but, as I've said many times, you have a serious complaint - I'd be happy to take it up in PM, rather than in SW.

Ignore him man, he condridicts himself in this thead so many times so dont bother. :D

I dont understand it aswell. I got a PS3, X360 and a gaming rig. I dont have a Wii, becouse IMO it blows (Sorry to say so), its just not how I like to play a game, and not the games i want, like FF, Fabel 2, Bioshock, Mass Effect Halo to say a few of them. But only becouse I hate the Wii, dosent mean I feel the need to bash it everytime I see it. I normaly just dont read the posts i can see on the topic that are about the Wii, becouse i simply dont have any intrest of them. But I do know the Wii is a great consol to have some fun with for alot of people, becouse thay just like that kind of playing style, like people that like Singstar.

Only game like this that i do like is GH, and maybe RockBand, but im not to much of a fan of having someone that cant sing at all sitting around screeming like a crazy.. something.

Ok, this got a little to of topic :)
But most poeple feel that thay are the only people that know whats good for everyone, and just like to bash the system, al the games comming for it, and the fans of that system. Hardcore gamers on the other side, normaly dont bash a system. Becouse chances are, thay will have both systems, or will get both(Sorry im not including the Wii, becouse i look on it like a party machine or something like that :) ) Then you got the semi gamers. Thay will only have one system, and a semi core PC, so thay really REALLY feel that there system is THE ONE system to get. And will try to convince people to buy the same system as thay have. And it seem that the only way thay know is by bashing all other systems.

And i think one of the reasons many hardcore gamers, are a little sceptict to the PS3 games, is becouse many of us has lost a lot of trust in Sony, something that also makes everything seem a little to good to be true for everything about the system.
Lets just hope thay can fix on that with time, and you will see alot less sceptisicem to the PS3 games aswell.

Fanboy implies I'm a *fanatic* of some system Tsug, which I'm not. You are unable to lump me with any particular group, so you simply keep shouting "fanboy" when it is rather clear I am not. I have a problem with being labeled - especially labeled something I am not.

In your case, you wish to label me only so you can dismiss my viewpoint without being forced to consider it. Because you are unable to discredit that my position on gaming is, indeed, my own perfectly valid viewpoint as a hardcore gamer, you feel the need to attack me. Nintendo won't be getting any more money for me this generation - I do not plan to buy into the Wii as a console, however that does not mean that I will hold anything against them in fair judgment of their games, nor does it mean that I won't buy into a Nintendo platform in the future, should they rescind their current vision for their consoles.

This generation, Nintendo has put out the Wii, which I have fundamental problems with as a gamer. It does not meet my needs, and represents a direction, level of presentation, and feature-set that does not interest me. How does that make me a fanboy?

I'm more complex than your simple label-and-dismiss strategy allows for - and I have ideologies that go beyond what any one thread would represent of me. You have chosen in the past to call yourself a Nintendo fanboy, that is your decision. I am not a fanboy for any side, respect my decision.


GUFU represents a certain caliber, viewpoint, and sty le of posting - if we are elitist for encorcing the philosophy that defines us in our membership, then so be it - but, as I've said many times, you have a serious complaint - I'd be happy to take it up in PM, rather than in SW.

subrosian

Attack you?! When did I do that?

You're making far more assumptions here than I am. You're still thinking I'm trying to insult you by labeling you? If you fit into a label, then you do. It's not insulting whatsoever. You may not think you fit into my label of you, but that's because you're apparently so opposed to labeling that you are dismissing my viewpoint.

Some of what you said in the Good-Bye Nintendo thread and following was fanboyish and blind. You said you were done with Nintendo forever at least three times, you based almost your entire post on E3 example-wise, and sounded, as I've said before, like a child not getting what he wants. Anyone that had just come into SW for the first time would have thought "What's that guy's problem?" and labeled you an anti-Nintendo fanboy just as I have.

You know what they say - The truth hurts the most. The fact that you've gotten so defensive only means that you know there is truth to what I'm saying. And you know what I say - You can call yourself a paradox, but that's still a label.

I don't like to debate through PMs, so I won't discuss GUFU anymore. But if you're still online, I'd like to hear what you have to say.

Ignore him man, he condridicts himself in this thead so many times so dont bother. :Dsparkypants

Him or me? I'd like to see where I contradicted myself.

Well, in the begining of this thread your going around say the 360 is the better purchase, but at the same time you say you play the Wii more, so Im alittle confused with that one.

Well, in the begining of this thread your going around say the 360 is the better purchase, but at the same time you say you play the Wii more, so Im alittle confused with that one.

sparkypants

....My point was that "people justifying their purchases" couldn't be truefor lemmings, who right now have the best console. I'm a sheep, but I can admit that the Wii isn't the best purchase yet.

this is lemmingspot.used to be cowspot but e3 06 ended thatV-a-i-z-a-r-d

No, GS has always been 360 biased. That's the way it is.

I'm a cow, but... RIIIIIIDGE RACER!

[QUOTE="V-a-i-z-a-r-d"]this is lemmingspot.used to be cowspot but e3 06 ended thatShmenonPie

No, GS has always been 360 biased. That's the way it is.

that's the most ridiculous thing i've ever heard.

Here's the grim reality of how fanboyism works:

"I bought this product, therefore it's the best". The people who own only one next generation system, or own all of them but one, are the most likely to fall into this method of thinking.

More people own the Xbox 360 and Wii than the PS3 (simple fact) and that translates, for some of them into, into justifying why the Xbox 360 is "hands down" better than the PS3. To understand how this is absurd, you need only look at the "xbox 360 fanboy" attacks on the PC. When someone says "the GeForce 8800gtx only has slightly better graphics than an Xbox 360 and you can't use it with an HDTV" - you have to say "this person's information is inaccurate, and they only seek information that supports their bias."

It's a simple reality - we've got a bunch of people who spent a lot of money on hardware, sticking their fingers in their ears going "la la la, my system is the best!" on all sides. It's more subtle than that - but it's absolutely true.

So why do Xbox 360 games with a high likelyhood of failure get optimists defending them, while PS3 games with a high likelyhood of success get massive pessimisim thrown at that? You need only look at the score of Xbox 360 and Wii owners who want to believe the PS3 offers nothing, and who wish doom on the PS3 games, because they cannot play them.

Now, obviously, you may ask me for some evidence to this claim. Simple - look at the number of people who *want games to flop.* Why on earth would you be opposed (as a gamer) to every game coming out being of high quality? Yet these people want Halo 3, Bioshock, Killzone 2, Metroid Prime 3, or whatnot to fail - because it's on a system they don't game on - and a successful title they cannot play is unacceptable.

This is why fanboyism is absolutely selfish, and a form of hatred on gaming, however, there's little we can do about it. Very few people take the time to realize how brand loyalty is a detriment to their ability to appreciate gaming as a whole.

subrosian

Thread should have ended here heck System Wars should have ended here!

*applauds*

[QUOTE="ShmenonPie"]

[QUOTE="V-a-i-z-a-r-d"]this is lemmingspot.used to be cowspot but e3 06 ended thatCaseyWegner

No, GS has always been 360 biased. That's the way it is.

that's the most ridiculous thing i've ever heard.

That is crazy Gamespots bias is rather newtowards the XBOX 360. I still remember when Sony ruled this house.

I still feel people are not grasping that reviews are nothing more than someones opinion, the only difference is we are not getting paid for our opinions.

[QUOTE="Shusty_lives"]

Why is it when a PS3 game get displayed here, that skepticism comes into play of the game's gameplay and graphics? Yet, when a 360 game gets displayed it full of optimism and hope.

With all fanboyism to the side, More 360 games has flopped than any other console, yet people still look forward to them more so than the others. Also, Wasn't it Sony who produced thousands of games with the PS1 and PS2? Wasn't it M$ that had the lacklusting gaming library last gen? What happen? Why is Sony games under scrutiny and not Xbox360?

mtradr43

and with all fanboyism aside, the 360 (and wii) are the only systems actually putting out games. ps3 gets a new game like once a month. how often can a game flop when the ps3 only gets like 15 games a year?

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="ShmenonPie"]

[QUOTE="V-a-i-z-a-r-d"]this is lemmingspot.used to be cowspot but e3 06 ended thatKhansoul

No, GS has always been 360 biased. That's the way it is.

that's the most ridiculous thing i've ever heard.

That is crazy Gamespots bias is rather newtowards the XBOX 360. I still remember when Sony ruled this house.

I still feel people are not grasping that reviews are nothing more than someones opinion, the only difference is we are not getting paid for our opinions.

it's not biased towards the 360 at all.

[QUOTE="mtradr43"][QUOTE="Shusty_lives"]

Why is it when a PS3 game get displayed here, that skepticism comes into play of the game's gameplay and graphics? Yet, when a 360 game gets displayed it full of optimism and hope.

With all fanboyism to the side, More 360 games has flopped than any other console, yet people still look forward to them more so than the others. Also, Wasn't it Sony who produced thousands of games with the PS1 and PS2? Wasn't it M$ that had the lacklusting gaming library last gen? What happen? Why is Sony games under scrutiny and not Xbox360?

Shusty_lives

and with all fanboyism aside, the 360 (and wii) are the only systems actually putting out games. ps3 gets a new game like once a month. how often can a game flop when the ps3 only gets like 15 games a year?

I thought fanboysism was to the side? :?

It's not being a fanboy it's the truth. If a console sucks badly why can't anyone says it sucks, and if a console has no AAA exclusive then how is being a fanboy when you say facts. You my friend fail.

Attack you?! When did I do that?

You're making far more assumptions here than I am. You're still thinking I'm trying to insult you by labeling you? If you fit into a label, then you do. It's not insulting whatsoever. You may not think you fit into my label of you, but that's because you're apparently so opposed to labeling that you are dismissing my viewpoint.

Some of what you said in the Good-Bye Nintendo thread and following was fanboyish and blind. You said you were done with Nintendo forever at least three times, you based almost your entire post on E3 example-wise, and sounded, as I've said before, like a child not getting what he wants. Anyone that had just come into SW for the first time would have thought "What's that guy's problem?" and labeled you an anti-Nintendo fanboy just as I have.

You know what they say - The truth hurts the most. The fact that you've gotten so defensive only means that you know there is truth to what I'm saying. And you know what I say - You can call yourself a paradox, but that's still a label.

I don't like to debate through PMs, so I won't discuss GUFU anymore. But if you're still online, I'd like to hear what you have to say.

Tsug_Ze_Wind

Calling others fanboys so you can justify your own (note: self-claimed) brand-loyalty is the definition of hypocrisy Tsug.

Defending myself against being labeled incorrectly does not validate those accustations. By your logic, anyone who denies being a rapist is guilty of being a sex offender. They wouldn't deny it if they were innocent, right? A fanboy is defined as a fanatical supporter of a brand, platform, or game. In your case, you claim to be a Nintendo fanboy. Now you claim that I'm a fanboy for not supporting the Nintendo Wii. A fanboy of *what* - you're not a fanboy for *not* fanatically supporting a system. You've written your own dictionary here Webster...

Your sty le of debate in this case involves making up your own definitions for terms, and then using them to make claims. By your debate method, I can call you a Hermit because you don't promote Brussel Sprouts as the best food ever. If you were actually concerned on my viewpoint on these issues, I'd suggest PMing me.
subrosian

Why can't you be fanatically against a system?

If someone was constantly bashing a system, but showed no preference towards any other system, you wouldn't consider them afanboy against that system? Okay, maybe we should do a poll to find out how many people would. Either way, you're biased just like the rest of SW,which is my point. Let's drop the semantics crap.

As for that ridiculous analogy....sorry, you're notin court facing terrible charges. You have nothing to lose by admitting you're biased, and if it actually is untrue, you would notget so defensive.

I stick to my viewpoint just like you stick to yours. We both know each other's position on fanboyism, and if you think my stance is such a load of crap, why would you bother debating with mein the first place?

Anyway, I'm also tired of bumping this thread, but I find it strange to just jump from a thread argument to PMs. But, if you want to continue, PM me I guess.

Also, I've already said I'm not trying to discredit you. I just want you to realize that you aren't above the fanboys in SW.

Why is it when a PS3 game get displayed here, that skepticism comes into play of the game's gameplay and graphics? Yet, when a 360 game gets displayed it full of optimism and hope.

With all fanboyism to the side, More 360 games has flopped than any other console, yet people still look forward to them more so than the others. Also, Wasn't it Sony who produced thousands of games with the PS1 and PS2? Wasn't it M$ that had the lacklusting gaming library last gen? What happen? Why is Sony games under scrutiny and not Xbox360?

Shusty_lives

I think the reason that the PS3 gets a lot of bad rep is because they have been the generation winner the past two gens, and they are under achieving tremendously right now. All the games that have come out haven't been what everyone expected them tobe. They have a system that is in third place in sales, and it really hasn't done anything to prove that it is still that gaming machine that it once was.

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

Defending myself against being labeled incorrectly does not validate those accustations. By your logic, anyone who denies being a rapist is guilty of being a sex offender. They wouldn't deny it if they were innocent, right? A fanboy is defined as a fanatical supporter of a brand, platform, or game. In your case, you claim to be a Nintendo fanboy. Now you claim that I'm a fanboy for not supporting the Nintendo Wii. A fanboy of *what* - you're not a fanboy for *not* fanatically supporting a system. You've written your own dictionary here Webster...

Your sty le of debate in this case involves making up your own definitions for terms, and then using them to make claims. By your debate method, I can call you a Hermit because you don't promote Brussel Sprouts as the best food ever. If you were actually concerned on my viewpoint on these issues, I'd suggest PMing me.
Tsug_Ze_Wind

Why can't you be fanatically against a system?

If someone was constantly bashing a system, but showed no preference towards any other system, you wouldn't consider them afanboy against that system? Okay, maybe we should do a poll to find out how many people would. Either way, you're biased just like the rest of SW,which is my point. Let's drop the semantics crap.

As for that ridiculous analogy....sorry, you're notin court facing terrible charges. You have nothing to lose by admitting you're biased, and if it actually is untrue, you would notget so defensive.

I stick to my viewpoint just like you stick to yours. We both know each other's position on fanboyism, and if you think my stance is such a load of crap, why would you bother debating with mein the first place?

Anyway, I'm also tired of bumping this thread, but I find it strange to just jump from a thread argument to PMs. But, if you want to continue, PM me I guess.

Also, I've already said I'm not trying to discredit you. I just want you to realize that you aren't above the fanboys in SW.