What has a wider gap in graphical power, wii to ps3 or ps3 to high end pc?

I'd say the Wii to PS3 is certainly more noticeable, but the jump from PS3 to a high-end PC would be larger.

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

[QUOTE="Mr_Cumberdale"]Wii to PS3. The PC is not that good in graphics.majadamus

You forgot to bring some facts and/or cites with you there bud. You know, like nearly everyone else on this thread.

[QUOTE="Mr_Cumberdale"]Wii to PS3. The PC is not that good in graphics.DudeNtheRoom

Here's a comparison video between a wii and ps3 multiplat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X9ajuuUZCg

It's definitely PS3 to PC.

More proof.

And the PS3 even has the deck stacked in it's favor because I am comparing two corridor shooters to a large scale shooter.

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The thing most people can't see in picture comparisons is the way all consoles games have much much lower video scaling. All console games have the blurry/grainny look to them. Once you see that same game on the PC even though it's a multiplat you can see the dramatic difference the PC has over even unoptimized games created for consoles. I still have to say that the PC over ps3/360 is far more dramatic over the wii to ps3.

The difference between 480p and 720p is LESS than the difference between 720p and 1080p (and PC's can go higher than than 1080p) in both technical and aesthetic terms.

Kinthalis

The thing most people can't see in picture comparisons is the way all consoles games have much much lower video scaling. All console games have the blurry/grainny look to them. Once you see that same game on the PC even though it's a multiplat you can see the dramatic difference the PC has over even unoptimized games created for consoles. I still have to say that the PC over ps3/360 is far more dramatic over the wii to ps3.

streetridaz

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[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

The difference between 480p and 720p is LESS than the difference between 720p and 1080p (and PC's can go higher than than 1080p) in both technical and aesthetic terms.

Teufelhuhn

If you are talking about multiples of difference then you would be right but if you are talking about pixel difference then you are wrong.

It depends on the context.

Wii to PS3. It's like Gamecube to PS3.

strictly technically speaking it's like this X1600SE (wii) less than---------------- 7800 (ps3) less than---------------------------------------- 5970 (pc)

of course this doesnt include the amazing optimization technique that goes into console development

TheMistique

in power, the gap is about the same. In results though, the ps3 to wii gap is bigger.

[QUOTE="TheMistique"]

strictly technically speaking it's like this X1600SE (wii) less than---------------- 7800 (ps3) less than---------------------------------------- 5970 (pc)

of course this doesnt include the amazing optimization technique that goes into console development

Teufelhuhn

the wii's gpu is basically the flipper gpu that was in the gamecube, with 1.5x the clock rate. same thing with the cpu.

If you are talking about multiples of difference then you would be right but if you are talking about pixel difference then you are wrong.

It depends on the context.

Hakkai007

Wii to PS3. It's like Gamecube to PS3.

Mr_BillGates

Sorry! That's not true.

Gamecube game

Wii game

[QUOTE="Mr_BillGates"]

Wii to PS3. It's like Gamecube to PS3.

super600

Sorry! That's not true.

Gamecube game

Wii game

super mario galazy 2 looks waaay better than sunshine.

the wii, has some very nice looking games that could pass for xbox 360 or ps3 games if only they were in HD.

EDIT: having some trouble with your edits? :P

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="Mr_BillGates"]

Wii to PS3. It's like Gamecube to PS3.

theuncharted34

Sorry! That's not true.

Gamecube game

Wii game

super mario galazy 2 looks waaay better than sunshine.

the wii, has some very nice looking games that could pass for xbox 360 or ps3 games if only they were in HD.

I didn't post galaxy 2. I posted sonic colors. Ishowed it to that guy because he should have done some research about the visuals the wii can pull off before making that claim.

There's no other way to quantify resolution other than the number of pixels. So if we're really speaking in "technical" terms, then that's the only possible context.

Teufelhuhn

I meant whether you mean multiples or the actual count by itself.

There is more of a pixel difference going from 720P to 1080P but there is a higher multiple from 480P to 720P.

614,400 difference in pixels from 480P to 720P.

1,152,000 difference in pixels from 720P to 1080P.

[QUOTE="TheMistique"]

strictly technically speaking it's like this X1600SE (wii) less than---------------- 7800 (ps3) less than---------------------------------------- 5970 (pc)

of course this doesnt include the amazing optimization technique that goes into console development

Teufelhuhn

Yeah if the Wii had a x1600 they'd be able to make all their current title run at 720p-1080p without a problem.

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

There's no other way to quantify resolution other than the number of pixels. So if we're really speaking in "technical" terms, then that's the only possible context.

Hakkai007

I meant whether you mean multiples or the actual count by itself.

There is more of a pixel difference going from 720P to 1080P but there is a higher multiple from 480P to 720P.

614,400 difference in pixels from 480P to 720P.

1,152,000 difference in pixels from 720P to 1080P.

Exactly, and 480p is usually 720x480, at least for widescreen content.

It's Wii to PS3. PCs are alot more powerful than the HD consoles but the gap isn't as big as it used to be in previous generations for certain reasons.

I can't really tell you though since I don't know the specs for what would pass as a high end PC these days.

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="super600"]

Sorry! That's not true.

Gamecube game

Wii game

super600

super mario galazy 2 looks waaay better than sunshine.

the wii, has some very nice looking games that could pass for xbox 360 or ps3 games if only they were in HD.

I didn't post galaxy 2. I posted sonic colors. Ishowed it to that guy because he should have done some research about the visuals the wii can pull off before making that claim.

yeah, I was just using galaxy 2 as an example since it's probably the best looking wii game. Either that, or DKCR or monster hunter tri technically.

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

There's no other way to quantify resolution other than the number of pixels. So if we're really speaking in "technical" terms, then that's the only possible context.

Hakkai007

I meant whether you mean multiples or the actual count by itself.

There is more of a pixel difference going from 720P to 1080P but there is a higher multiple from 480P to 720P.

614,400 difference in pixels from 480P to 720P.

1,152,000 difference in pixels from 720P to 1080P.

Exactly, and 480p is usually 720x480, at least for widescreen content.

Kinthalis

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

Exactly, and 480p is usually 720x480, at least for widescreen content.

Teufelhuhn

640x480 is 4:3 aspect ratio. Last time I turned on my Wii it ran at 16:9.

Looking at absolute pixel difference doesn't make any sense. We're talking about 720p relative to 480p and 1080p relative to 720p. And if you're doing that the only "technical" thing you could say about it is that the sampling rate increases by 3x when you go to 720p, and 2.25x when you go to 1080p.

Teufelhuhn

It does make sense.

720P has 614,400 more pixels than 480P

1080P has 1,152,000 more pixels than 720P.

More pixels allows for more detail in a given space or more viewing space overall.

Again, I think the answer to this question changes when you go from talking about raw power to the availability of software that takes advantage of that power.

In order to see what a modern high end PC can truly do we'd need to have a full DX 11 from the ground up game to take full advantage of modern hardware and API's. There are no such games however, and there won't be until at least 2011. All multi-plats are Dx9/10/11 hybrids. Some implement features better than others too so performance and graphics quality varies widly.

I suspect the difference to consoles in graphics from such a game (one that uses DX11) would be undeniable to anyone but the most irredeemable fanboys.

Having said that, the difference between a current multi-plat on PC at the hands of a half-decent developer vs the console version is typically downplayed by the console fanboys on this board.

the difference is NOT just resolution. It's resolution, higher rez textures, better lighting and shadowing, better post processing, better physics, better AI, better geometric detail, larger view distances, more mosnters/enemies on the screen, better physics, better AA and AF AND better performance (60 fps+).

Only console fanboys will tell you that all of that equals "about the same as consoles" with a straightface.

Of course it makes perfect sense when you look at the hardware. CPU's on a PC are 3 generations of architecture more advanced than what's on consoles. Same goes for the GPU.

A modern GPU can have more than 3 billion transistors compared to the xbox 360's 300 million. Over 10x the transistors in just the GPU.

In terms of raw performance and power the PC vs PS3 > PS3 vs Wii.

In terms of current games, the difference is about equal, maybe a little worse on the PS3 vs Wii comparison.

The jump from a wii to a ps3 is much more noticable but the ps3 to pc is the biggest difference because of the overall performance

For most games, I would say wii to ps3. But if you're comparing to the best looking pc games, pc to ps3. The gaps are pretty similar though.

wii to ps3 obviously.

modded Crysis at 1080p with SSAO is far ahead of any PS3 game technicaly. But the Wii at 480p just looks so ugly :? PS3 competes with most PC games aside from the obvious powerhouse games (which are few and far between this gen for us PC owners :?

Those comaprison shots of Black Ops are stupid, PC version doesn't look much better than PS3 because that game is mainly designed for consoles. They don't bother making the PC version look any better. Compare Metro 2033 instead, or wait for Crysis 2. Those games have special graphical features just for PC.

Teh_Can

Wait you moan that BO is built for the consoles yet you say compare Metro which is developed primarily for PC?

[QUOTE="Teh_Can"]

Those comaprison shots of Black Ops are stupid, PC version doesn't look much better than PS3 because that game is mainly designed for consoles. They don't bother making the PC version look any better. Compare Metro 2033 instead, or wait for Crysis 2. Those games have special graphical features just for PC.

MobilechicaneX

Wait you moan that BO is built for the consoles yet you say compare Metro which is developed primarily for PC?

The very few pc games out there that take a slight advantage of pc hardware are what we should be discussing.

I'm going to say ps3 to pc, but only because there are a few games that prove it. Without, them, the gap would go from wii to ps3.

Just looking at what Eyefinity can do, PC hands down.

[QUOTE="htekemerald"][QUOTE="hexashadow13"] Thats definitely a straight up lie.taterfrickintot

?????

Seriously? this is almost signature worthy.

On one hand you have an objective set of facts, in the other you have a subjective, meaningless opinion. And you prefer to have the opinion?

Ok fine. My opinion is that PC looks LIGHT YEARS better than consoles. I win!

Crysis Extreme Quality Mod

Turn up to 1080p please.

[QUOTE="htekemerald"][QUOTE="hexashadow13"] Thats definitely a straight up lie.taterfrickintot

Yet you have ppl that say Crysis looks bad compared to Killzone 2 or Uncharted 2.DudeNtheRoom

I already showed a comparison of Crysis and UC2 with KZ2 in this thread.

Crysis was light years ahead.

ps3 to pc, the difference is greater than everyone thinks

My PC isn't even high end and it smashes PS3.

[QUOTE="htekemerald"][QUOTE="hexashadow13"] Thats definitely a straight up lie.taterfrickintot

why fanboy, because he state the truth :?

Crysis Extreme Quality Mod

Turn up to 1080p please.

Jebus213