What if steam closed shop?

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#51  Edited By GhoX
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@jhcho2 said:
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This is as meaningful a discussion as hypothesing if banks or governments for some "odd reason" decide to call quits.

You mean like how Greece got bankrupt which lead to the banks prohibiting people from withdrawing money?

That's anything but an "odd reason".

For the same thing to happen to Valve, Valve too would have to become bankrupt as well. Now how likely is that going to happen?

Greece....an entire country went bankrupt. Italy, Portugal and Spain are getting there. Lehman Brothers went bankrupt. AIG would have gone bankrupt if not for the government bailout. Any one of those entities are hundreds if not thousands of times bigger and richer than Valve. And we're comparing a game developer to investment banks and insurance companies here.

At this point, anything is possible. It's also fair to say that a major part of the reason why those giants went bankrupt was because too many people one time thought the same way you do now.

Bigger, not financially more secure.

For instance, Valve is probably more secure than the United States at the moment. The latter is bundled with foreign debts, while Valve is basically printing money globally.

Using another example, Sony is certainly also bigger than Valve, but it's meeting failures in multiple product lines and had to put them down.

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@nyadc said:
@putaspongeon said:

@nyadc: DRM IS horrible, you're pretty much a rape apologist for a bad business practice. It's getting to the point that you seem to either be a fanboy or someone working for steam because you're trying to make a big deal seem as if it's not a big deal.

Gog has a less scummy company behind it.

Gog has no drm

Gog has all the classics and is quickly getting more big games as time passes.

Gog don't screw over their fans like steam does,

But yes, drm is a really big deal, you don't own the games that you bought with real money on steam, one day you can just have all your games taken away like that for no reason, you are renting on steam, you are buying on gog.

  • I'm like a rape apologist because I'm not freaking out about licensing policies and DRM that in 12 years and 4 months has not been a detriment to me in any capacity? Like I said, you're a tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist who thinks everyone is out to get you.
  • Valve is a scummy company? Because of what? What is your experience with Valve and Steam that deems them scummy?
  • GoG has no DRM, and? You do realize that access to my Steam games has never been compromised right? There is such a thing as offline mode.
  • Steam has countless classics and thousands of other games GoG does not, not to mention multiple features and a community.
  • GoG doesn't screw over their fans? How is Valve screwing over their fans in relation to Steam?
  • You're confusing DRM with licensing policies, DRM has nothing to do with licensing policies, it's authentication of the validity of your license to use a game. What if GoG went under right now, right this second and you didn't have your games downloaded? You're fucked, so don't act like it's any different on Steam. The fact is I've been on this platform for over 12 years and access to my games has never been an issue, also I've never seen anyone's access revoked that didn't grossly violate the SSA and get their account locked. My games are on my computer and I don't live in a world of what if's, I live in a world of experience and with my resoundingly long 12+ year experience with Steam, none of the things you're scared of have happened.

What is your experience with Steam? Let me see your account, I want to see how long you've been on this platform you're so afraid of and I want to hear your personal experiences with all the things you've been freaking out about and bitching over.

Still waiting.

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#53 PutASpongeOn
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@nyadc said:
@nyadc said:
@putaspongeon said:

@nyadc: DRM IS horrible, you're pretty much a rape apologist for a bad business practice. It's getting to the point that you seem to either be a fanboy or someone working for steam because you're trying to make a big deal seem as if it's not a big deal.

Gog has a less scummy company behind it.

Gog has no drm

Gog has all the classics and is quickly getting more big games as time passes.

Gog don't screw over their fans like steam does,

But yes, drm is a really big deal, you don't own the games that you bought with real money on steam, one day you can just have all your games taken away like that for no reason, you are renting on steam, you are buying on gog.

  • I'm like a rape apologist because I'm not freaking out about licensing policies and DRM that in 12 years and 4 months has not been a detriment to me in any capacity? Like I said, you're a tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist who thinks everyone is out to get you.
  • Valve is a scummy company? Because of what? What is your experience with Valve and Steam that deems them scummy?
  • GoG has no DRM, and? You do realize that access to my Steam games has never been compromised right? There is such a thing as offline mode.
  • Steam has countless classics and thousands of other games GoG does not, not to mention multiple features and a community.
  • GoG doesn't screw over their fans? How is Valve screwing over their fans in relation to Steam?
  • You're confusing DRM with licensing policies, DRM has nothing to do with licensing policies, it's authentication of the validity of your license to use a game. What if GoG went under right now, right this second and you didn't have your games downloaded? You're fucked, so don't act like it's any different on Steam. The fact is I've been on this platform for over 12 years and access to my games has never been an issue, also I've never seen anyone's access revoked that didn't grossly violate the SSA and get their account locked. My games are on my computer and I don't live in a world of what if's, I live in a world of experience and with my resoundingly long 12+ year experience with Steam, none of the things you're scared of have happened.

What is your experience with Steam? Let me see your account, I want to see how long you've been on this platform you're so afraid of and I want to hear your personal experiences with all the things you've been freaking out about and bitching over.

Still waiting.

I created my steam account 3 years last april 5th so coming up on 4 years, also length of time is irrelevant considering I made my gaiaonline account 11 years ago, it's not like I've been getting on that account.

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#54  Edited By lostrib
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Did someone seriously compare Steam to rape? Wth

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Probably something similar when Windows Live shut up shop, all the games network services ceased to work, the games themselves were no long able to be downloaded, and the publishers had to step in to transfer the licences to other download services (although I'm assuming some didn't so you were fucked).

Luckily I don't think steam will ever shut up shop, there are ever growing and are not exactly short on funds. Microsoft on the other hand are just a bunch of...

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@lostrib said:

Did someone seriously compare Steam to rape? Wth

If that's where this thread is going, mods please close this thread.

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#57 NyaDC
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@putaspongeon said:
@nyadc said:
@nyadc said:
@putaspongeon said:

@nyadc: DRM IS horrible, you're pretty much a rape apologist for a bad business practice. It's getting to the point that you seem to either be a fanboy or someone working for steam because you're trying to make a big deal seem as if it's not a big deal.

Gog has a less scummy company behind it.

Gog has no drm

Gog has all the classics and is quickly getting more big games as time passes.

Gog don't screw over their fans like steam does,

But yes, drm is a really big deal, you don't own the games that you bought with real money on steam, one day you can just have all your games taken away like that for no reason, you are renting on steam, you are buying on gog.

  • I'm like a rape apologist because I'm not freaking out about licensing policies and DRM that in 12 years and 4 months has not been a detriment to me in any capacity? Like I said, you're a tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist who thinks everyone is out to get you.
  • Valve is a scummy company? Because of what? What is your experience with Valve and Steam that deems them scummy?
  • GoG has no DRM, and? You do realize that access to my Steam games has never been compromised right? There is such a thing as offline mode.
  • Steam has countless classics and thousands of other games GoG does not, not to mention multiple features and a community.
  • GoG doesn't screw over their fans? How is Valve screwing over their fans in relation to Steam?
  • You're confusing DRM with licensing policies, DRM has nothing to do with licensing policies, it's authentication of the validity of your license to use a game. What if GoG went under right now, right this second and you didn't have your games downloaded? You're fucked, so don't act like it's any different on Steam. The fact is I've been on this platform for over 12 years and access to my games has never been an issue, also I've never seen anyone's access revoked that didn't grossly violate the SSA and get their account locked. My games are on my computer and I don't live in a world of what if's, I live in a world of experience and with my resoundingly long 12+ year experience with Steam, none of the things you're scared of have happened.

What is your experience with Steam? Let me see your account, I want to see how long you've been on this platform you're so afraid of and I want to hear your personal experiences with all the things you've been freaking out about and bitching over.

Still waiting.

I created my steam account 3 years last april 5th so coming up on 4 years, also length of time is irrelevant considering I made my gaiaonline account 11 years ago, it's not like I've been getting on that account.

So your experience with Steam is extremely minimal and you have almost no longevity on the platform and likely very, very few games, yet you're trying to preach to me about a bunch of shit you don't actually know about...

That's pretty much exactly what I figured.

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#58  Edited By PutASpongeOn
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@nyadc said:
@putaspongeon said:
@nyadc said:
@nyadc said:
@putaspongeon said:

@nyadc: DRM IS horrible, you're pretty much a rape apologist for a bad business practice. It's getting to the point that you seem to either be a fanboy or someone working for steam because you're trying to make a big deal seem as if it's not a big deal.

Gog has a less scummy company behind it.

Gog has no drm

Gog has all the classics and is quickly getting more big games as time passes.

Gog don't screw over their fans like steam does,

But yes, drm is a really big deal, you don't own the games that you bought with real money on steam, one day you can just have all your games taken away like that for no reason, you are renting on steam, you are buying on gog.

  • I'm like a rape apologist because I'm not freaking out about licensing policies and DRM that in 12 years and 4 months has not been a detriment to me in any capacity? Like I said, you're a tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist who thinks everyone is out to get you.
  • Valve is a scummy company? Because of what? What is your experience with Valve and Steam that deems them scummy?
  • GoG has no DRM, and? You do realize that access to my Steam games has never been compromised right? There is such a thing as offline mode.
  • Steam has countless classics and thousands of other games GoG does not, not to mention multiple features and a community.
  • GoG doesn't screw over their fans? How is Valve screwing over their fans in relation to Steam?
  • You're confusing DRM with licensing policies, DRM has nothing to do with licensing policies, it's authentication of the validity of your license to use a game. What if GoG went under right now, right this second and you didn't have your games downloaded? You're fucked, so don't act like it's any different on Steam. The fact is I've been on this platform for over 12 years and access to my games has never been an issue, also I've never seen anyone's access revoked that didn't grossly violate the SSA and get their account locked. My games are on my computer and I don't live in a world of what if's, I live in a world of experience and with my resoundingly long 12+ year experience with Steam, none of the things you're scared of have happened.

What is your experience with Steam? Let me see your account, I want to see how long you've been on this platform you're so afraid of and I want to hear your personal experiences with all the things you've been freaking out about and bitching over.

Still waiting.

I created my steam account 3 years last april 5th so coming up on 4 years, also length of time is irrelevant considering I made my gaiaonline account 11 years ago, it's not like I've been getting on that account.

So your experience with Steam is extremely minimal and you have almost no longevity on the platform and likely very, very few games, yet you're trying to preach to me about a bunch of shit you don't actually know about...

That's pretty much exactly what I figured.

So let me get this straight, you are going to rely on an appeal to authority against someone who nearly has 4 years on the site. Your argument is shit and you should feel bad that you're being manipulative andshitty.

You can't tell me how good steam is because you don't have at least a year of kung fu training. (that's the level of bs you're telling me)

Your appeal to authority is fucking useless.

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@putaspongeon said:

So let me get this straight, you are going to rely on an appeal to authority against someone who nearly has 4 years on the site. Your argument is shit and you should feel bad that you're being manipulative andshitty.

You can't tell me how good steam is because you don't have at least a year of kung fu training. (that's the level of bs you're telling me)

Your appeal to authority is fucking useless.

This is not an appeal to authority, you're seeking a fallacy and wanting a scapegoat, this is you trying to tell me a bunch of bullshit about something you have sparsely used over not even 1/4 of the time it has existed. I'm not a self-appointed authority figure, I am just someone who actually has experience with Steam from the time before it launched publicly up until now, that's nearly 13 years, and before that I was on WON for several years which is the network that predates Steam. I have invested tens of thousands of hours into games on Valve's network, spent thousands of dollars on games, been involved in every facet that Steam offers and know nearly everything there is to know about it, because I was actually there and experienced it first hand from the onset.

Who the hell are you? Nobody, and you don't know anything...

That analogy is absolutely horrible, it bears no resemblance to anything, actually it's not even an analogy as it doesn't make any sense. I'm questioning your experience with the Steam platform, I'm questioning your knowledge, I'm questioning your integrity as an honest and realistic human being. You're trying to come here telling me that DRM is the devil and Steam is horrible yet you're providing no citing examples how it's been an actual detriment or how it has affected you personally in any capacity or anyone else. That is why I asked to see your actual account, your community page, I want to know for a fact how much you have invested yourself into Steam to come to these ridiculous conclusions.

Your time on the platform, time spent in games, what games you own, how many, your market transactions, trades, inventory etc. I want to get a feel for you so I can see how much or how little you're bullshitting me right now. I'm not being manipulative, you are, you're flapping your jaw left and right about things I frankly don't think you have the experience, longevity or knowledge to speak on.

So let's see it, then we can go from there, otherwise you're just another nobody wasting my time...