What in your opinion discredits a reviewer?

When a reviewer allows his passion for games to come before his work. That may sound backwards but when it comes to writing reviews and being a "game journalist" its my opinion that you should be a writer first, and a gamer second. Broman6015

One thing I dislike is when it appears a reviewer falls too much over the hype of a game.

I mean we've all seen it. Why is it that over hyped games can get such amazing reviews on sites even though the game has a lot of flaws, and bugs, but any no-name game would get crushed for the same stuff? :(

When they write crap like this.

OreoMilkshake

When they write **** like this.

OreoMilkshake

It is misleading for Variety to say that Super Mario Galaxy is a "film." It is not.

One thing I dislike is when it appears a reviewer falls too much over the hype of a game.

I mean we've all seen it. Why is it that over hyped games can get such amazing reviews on sites even though the game has a lot of flaws, and bugs, but any no-name game would get crushed for the same stuff? :(

[QUOTE="treedoor"]

One thing I dislike is when it appears a reviewer falls too much over the hype of a game.

I mean we've all seen it. Why is it that over hyped games can get such amazing reviews on sites even though the game has a lot of flaws, and bugs, but any no-name game would get crushed for the same stuff? :(

sonicthemegaman

except that those games are actually good

maybe a few reviewers feel that way, but when games get great reviews from just about everywhere it pretty much kills that idea

One thing I dislike is when it appears a reviewer falls too much over the hype of a game.

I mean we've all seen it. Why is it that over hyped games can get such amazing reviews on sites even though the game has a lot of flaws, and bugs, but any no-name game would get crushed for the same stuff? :(

treedoor

When they say something is bad without saying why. Like the controls are bad. The graphics are bad. The gameplay is bad. Other key words like "bland" pop up alot.

I like a little more descriptive reviews.

[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"][QUOTE="treedoor"]

One thing I dislike is when it appears a reviewer falls too much over the hype of a game.

I mean we've all seen it. Why is it that over hyped games can get such amazing reviews on sites even though the game has a lot of flaws, and bugs, but any no-name game would get crushed for the same stuff? :(

except that those games are actually good

maybe a few reviewers feel that way, but when games get great reviews from just about everywhere it pretty much kills that idea

When they say something is bad without saying why. Like the controls are bad. The graphics are bad. The gameplay is bad. Other key words like "bland" pop up alot.

I like a little more descriptive reviews.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"] Too many games fall into that category that it's ridiculuos. Big name Nintendo games are the first that come to mind.sonicthemegaman

except that those games are actually good

maybe a few reviewers feel that way, but when games get great reviews from just about everywhere it pretty much kills that idea

not sure where you have been, but backtracking has always been a part of metroid games...and some reviewers actually did mention it but didnt dock alot of points because they know its part of the gameplay

. SMG is easy as hell.

not towards the end

Zelda has been the same game for years

so says the haters, yet almost every reviewers gives them a 'AAA' score.... its not a conspiracy, dude

. Other games get demerits for those kinds of flaws.

that is true, but youre picking the wrong examples

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"] Too many games fall into that category that it's ridiculuos. Big name Nintendo games are the first that come to mind.sonicthemegaman

except that those games are actually good

maybe a few reviewers feel that way, but when games get great reviews from just about everywhere it pretty much kills that idea

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

When they say something is bad without saying why. Like the controls are bad. The graphics are bad. The gameplay is bad. Other key words like "bland" pop up alot.

I like a little more descriptive reviews.

sonicthemegaman

I get addicting gameplay, but if they just say its addicting, why is it addicting? I mean I get addicted to games like Dynasty Warriors and nobody else likes that. I can't just put down "addiciting gameplay" in a review, people will just stare at me.

[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"][QUOTE="ogvampire"]

except that those games are actually good

maybe a few reviewers feel that way, but when games get great reviews from just about everywhere it pretty much kills that idea

gamefan67

[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"][QUOTE="ogvampire"]

except that those games are actually good

maybe a few reviewers feel that way, but when games get great reviews from just about everywhere it pretty much kills that idea

not sure where you have been, but backtracking has always been a part of metroid games...and some reviewers actually did mention it but didnt dock alot of points because they know its part of the gameplay

. SMG is easy as hell.

not towards the end

Zelda has been the same game for years

so says the haters, yet almost every reviewers gives them a 'AAA' score.... its not a conspiracy, dude

. Other games get demerits for those kinds of flaws.

that is true, but youre picking the wrong examples

[QUOTE="gamefan67"][QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"] But they still have tons of flaws though. You'd think MP would have been canned for all that mudane backtracking. SMG is easy as hell. Zelda has been the same game for years. Other games get demerits for those kinds of flaws.sonicthemegaman

Now that I'm considering it, what really bothers me is when a review gives a sequel a very low score for rehashing it's own series and not judging it by it's own merits. It mainly applies to games where it's prequel is regarded so highly in quality which in return make it difficult for a dev team to improve on that quality.

But all those games still have high amounts of polish and are of high quality. A lot of games have plenty of flaws, some are just more detrimental than others. I dont even see the back-tracking in MP as a flaw, but to each his own.gamefan67

[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"]

[QUOTE="gamefan67"] But all those games still have high amounts of polish and are of high quality. A lot of games have plenty of flaws, some are just more detrimental than others. I dont even see the back-tracking in MP as a flaw, but to each his own.gamefan67

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"] But they still have tons of flaws though. You'd think MP would have been canned for all that mudane backtracking

not sure where you have been, but backtracking has always been a part of metroid games...and some reviewers actually did mention it but didnt dock alot of points because they know its part of the gameplay

. SMG is easy as hell.

not towards the end

Zelda has been the same game for years

so says the haters, yet almost every reviewers gives them a 'AAA' score.... its not a conspiracy, dude

. Other games get demerits for those kinds of flaws.

that is true, but youre picking the wrong examples

sonicthemegaman

1. People complain about backtracking in OTHER games. Yep, that's not bias at all.

just not getting huh? alright then. youre right. we shouldnt listen to biased people... youre biased towards nintendo... therefore we shouldnt listen to anything you have to say in regards to them

2. I shouldn't have to wait till the end for a damn challenge. That's KH2 all over again.

there are alot of games that start off easy and get hard. they usually only dock points if its easy through-out

3. Who said it was? I'm just saying, MMBN gets serious criticism for being repetitve along with MM in general yet Zelda is the same way and gets AAA scores.

they probably mean repetitive as in doing the same actions over and over in the same game... like how beat-em ups tend to get repetitive.

you cant discredit video game reviewers as journalists, theres no credibility there to begin with. theres no reason to care what they have to say and most are hacks anyway. a large mass of user reviews are a much better guage of whether a game is good or not, accompanied by a healthy dose of investigation and personal taste.

[QUOTE="gamefan67"]Well "Fun" is based on a person's taste in gaming, but a game can be of "High Quality" without you actually liking the game. Just pointing that out too. The Quality of the product is what most reviews are based on, and the "Fun"-factor is one of many components.sonicthemegaman

Well, like reviews, that is all opinion based. I'm not going to try to argue your opinion(which it seems you feel rather strongly about).

I will just respectfully withdraw from this conversation:P

When they write crap like this.

When they dock out points for "having too much variety".:roll:

shalashaska88

The words "Jack of all trades, master of none" come to mind...Got a particular game (that I've hopefully played) in mind?

Inconsistency, Omission and Inaccuracies. For example. Xplays Crysis review.

[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"][QUOTE="ogvampire"]

1. People complain about backtracking in OTHER games. Yep, that's not bias at all.

just not getting huh? alright then. youre right. we shouldnt listen to biased people... youre biased towards nintendo... therefore we shouldnt listen to anything you have to say in regards to them

2. I shouldn't have to wait till the end for a damn challenge. That's KH2 all over again.

there are alot of games that start off easy and get hard. they usually only dock points if its easy through-out

3. Who said it was? I'm just saying, MMBN gets serious criticism for being repetitve along with MM in general yet Zelda is the same way and gets AAA scores.

they probably mean repetitive as in doing the same actions over and over in the same game... like how beat-em ups tend to get repetitive.

Inconsistency, Omission and Inaccuracies. For example. Xplays Crysis review.

Espada12

[QUOTE="gamefan67"][QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"] "High Quality" and "Fun" aren't the same. Just pointing that out.

dark-warmachine

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"]

1. People complain about backtracking in OTHER games. Yep, that's not bias at all.

just not getting huh? alright then. youre right. we shouldnt listen to biased people... youre biased towards nintendo... therefore we shouldnt listen to anything you have to say in regards to them

2. I shouldn't have to wait till the end for a damn challenge. That's KH2 all over again.

there are alot of games that start off easy and get hard. they usually only dock points if its easy through-out

3. Who said it was? I'm just saying, MMBN gets serious criticism for being repetitve along with MM in general yet Zelda is the same way and gets AAA scores.

they probably mean repetitive as in doing the same actions over and over in the same game... like how beat-em ups tend to get repetitive.

sonicthemegaman

1. Then I guess you'll have to explain cuase I don't get what you're trying to say.

like i already said, reviewers (most of them) know better and dont dock points because its always been part of the gameplay. metroid does it in a way where it doesnt become annoying to backtrack, unlike other games that DO get docked points because the backtracking kills the flow of the game

2. SMG is pretty easy in general. Bowser wasn't really that hard of a boss either. I guess a better example would be WW as I never died once in the whole game. The second boss was the closest I got to death. The rest was so painfully easy with terribly made side quests. How it got a 9 here is a mystery.

wow. not only did it get 9.5 here, but its the second highest rated game this gen. its one thing if you dont like a game, thats your opinion, but its different if you are calling every reviewer biased.... thats just ridiculous

3. Zelda games often rehash the same items/weapons each game. Nothing wrong with that but MMBN did the same thing and reviewers began to trash it even when Capcom added in more gameplay elements.

almost every single sequel has most of the items/weapons from the previous game and add a couple here and there, funny how you only notice and have a problem with this with nintendo games....

OGA in your last posts under number 3... zelda games aren't sequels of each other.

OGA in your last posts under number 3... zelda games aren't sequels of each other.

Espada12

your right, i was using 'sequel' as in the game that followed the previous one

what would you call them?

Complaining about originality ;) (Look at my "Now Playing" if you don't get it)

Citing variety as a reason to deduct points - Yes I'm looking at you Aaron Thomas.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

OGA in your last posts under number 3... zelda games aren't sequels of each other.

ogvampire

your right, i was using 'sequel' as in the game that followed the previous one

what would you call them?

I dunno lol, ugh part of the franchise I guess.

Double standards and flawed logic I guess.

Knocking off dumb things for dumb reasons.

No Mii-Support anyone?

Complaining about originality ;) (Look at my "Now Playing" if you don't get it)

Console_Gamer93

I get that you are freaking out over a 9.3... :|

Giving a 10 to a game.

Knocking off dumb things for dumb reasons.

No Mii-Support anyone?

bobcheeseball

The complaint of the lack of Mii support wasn't the main reason why Radiant Dawn scored so low.Honestly,that statement seemed to give a little more justification to one of Lark's main points.

Giving a 10 to a game.

IgGy621985

[QUOTE="IgGy621985"]

Giving a 10 to a game.

Silent-Hal

Scoring system is convenient, but the problem is that with the arrival of this generation of consoles, quality has been greatly exxagerated.

10 is like something forbidden. It should never be touched because it will never be appreciated enough again.

Giving a 9.3 to a PS3 exclusive = biased reviewer. Fact.IronBass

Like how? Uncharted 2 won best game of E3. And Demon's Souls has been raved about for over a year. Biased is when two identical games on both systems and one is reviewed higher than the other.

you cant discredit video game reviewers as journalists, theres no credibility there to begin with. theres no reason to care what they have to say and most are hacks anyway. a large mass of user reviews are a much better guage of whether a game is good or not, accompanied by a healthy dose of investigation and personal taste.

CaptainHarley

This a million %.

Games journalism is not journalism in the slightest, but journalism today isn't really journalism anymore.

[QUOTE="IgGy621985"]

Giving a 10 to a game.

Silent-Hal

And it practically is. U2 should have received a 10, but reviewers are nitpicking games today more than ever before.

[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"]

[QUOTE="IronBass"]Giving a 9.3 to a PS3 exclusive = biased reviewer. Fact.IronBass

They aren't fanboys grow up.

Also TP was the biggest fail in terms of score but all of their reasons as to why the scores were justified were always overlooked because of ahem "fanboys". Seriously it's peoples opinions, grow the frig up.