What in your opinion is a Hardcore game

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#1 BAgamer
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What in your opinion is a Hardcore game and what do consider not hardcore but casual...

In my opinion Hardcore games are NOT sports games, FPS or RTS and racing games on consoles of course this is just my OPINION and not Fact...

This is what I consider Hardcore game FPS on PC like DoD & counterstrike as well as others to numerous to list as well as Some PC RTS and RPG games again to numerous to list does this mean there are no Hard core games on the consoles no but not what most of you Kiddies think...

Hardcore games on console are Trauma Center, Zelda, Metroid maybe even Mario but NOT Halo 3 NOT Oblivion NOT ME NOT GTA IV why because IMHO FPS are for Casual KIDDIES on consoles one visit to Xbox live convinced me of this. As for RPG if its out on PC it is a much fuller experience therefore more hardcore however that does not mean that you are not a dedicated game player or that you are not hardcore it just means to be real about games if you are a hardcore gamer or just like to play well crafted games then you do not prejudice or opinion by what system the game is on, to me it is more about playing for enjoyment and that does not involve swearing gangster wannabe 12 year old on Xbox live Thank you.

To to sum PC and Wii >>> far more so called hardcore then 360 and for that matter PS3 >>360... this is of course just an Opinion...FYI

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wow um just no. You say, illl use an example that you gave here. Halo 3 not being "hardcore" because "kids" play it? I think thats the dumbest thing ive heard, because I know for a fact 13 year olds and other "kids" play the pc games that you listed. And then you go and say that Wii is "hardcore," wow are you contradicting yourself. Basically in the end you just fail horribly in your own opinion because your reasonings are flawed.
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Being a "hardcore" gamer is having a passion for gaming.There's really no such thing as a "hardcore" or "casual" game,as they are both terms to describe the gamer him/herself.
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Being a "hardcore" gamer is having a passion for gaming.There's really no such thing as a "hardcore" or "casual" game,as they are both terms to describe the gamer him/herself.VGobbsesser
CORRECT.....lemmings just don't get this FACT.
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I believe that it is the gamer and not the game that makes it hardcore or casual.

As much as I dislike those terms in general, they convey the point so I will use them here.

If you are someone who goes to Madden tourneys and you practice hours on hours to get better, you are a hardcore game, regardless that most consider Madden casual. Same with games like Halo 3 and others. You can play even the easiest games in a hardcore manner.

Just like the opposite could and is also true.

And it has been this way for decades. Look at Mario. Some people casually stroll through them and die all the time, but have fun. Others look to speed run it or collect every single coin, or never die.

It is all in the way a game is played, IMO.

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Can somebody translate that for me, please? I would do it on Google, but they don't have a Fanboy -> English translator.
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A game is hardcore when it is targeted at the long-time and experienced gamer, who enjoys competitive and challenging gameplay.

The system itself cannot be hardcore by definiton. Genres such as Strategy Games and Tactical Shooters (rare one) are usually very challenging. A casual gamer will be discouraged by its difficulty.

I take no proud in being a ''hardcore'' gamer myself. Ever since I found out my ex-guildies live of a social security/welfare to be able to play World of Warcraft 24/7, I simply lost motivation to do my best in the game.

You can have succes in the game itself, but then what do you contribute to life itself? This is when I realised, casual gamers play for entertainments hours, wich can be any kind of game.

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for one, a hardcore game doesn't use extremely high-end graphics to prostitute itself to the gaming market.
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Can somebody translate that for me, please? I would do it on Google, but they don't have a Fanboy -> English translator.RobbieH1234
You would think that Lemspot would provide a translaitor for you guys...
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for one, a hardcore game doesn't use extremely high-end graphics to prostitute itself to the gaming market.bulletsword

Some games REQUIRE many many hours of practice and manual reading to actually play them in a basic manner. Other games are easy enough to play with zero knowledge that you're good in 3 hours of playing,

Falcon 4.0 is the former, Call of Duty 4 is the latter.

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Can somebody translate that for me, please? I would do it on Google, but they don't have a Fanboy -> English translator.RobbieH1234

What in your opinion is a Hardcore game and what do consider not hardcore but casual...

What is a hardcore game and a casual game in your opinion?

In my opinion Hardcore games are NOT sports games, FPS or RTS and racing games on consoles of course this is just my OPINION and not Fact...

Pretty straight forward

This is what I consider Hardcore game FPS on PC like DoD & counterstrike as well as others to numerous to list as well as Some PC RTS and RPG games again to numerous to list does this mean there are no Hard core games on the consoles no but not what most of you Kiddies think...

Hardcore games to me are FPS games on PC and some PC RTS and RPGs, but there are very few hardcore console games.

Hardcore games on console are Trauma Center, Zelda, Metroid maybe even Mario but NOT Halo 3 NOT Oblivion NOT ME NOT GTA IV why because IMHO FPS are for Casual KIDDIES on consoles one visit to Xbox live convinced me of this. As for RPG if its out on PC it is a much fuller experience therefore more hardcore however that does not mean that you are not a dedicated game player or that you are not hardcore it just means to be real about games if you are a hardcore gamer or just like to play well crafted games then you do not prejudice or opinion by what system the game is on, to me it is more about playing for enjoyment and that does not involve swearing gangster wannabe 12 year old on Xbox live Thank you.

PC games are uber-hardcore, Wii games are hardcore, Xbox 360 games are not, simply because pre-teens can and do play on Live.

To to sum PC and Wii >>> far more so called hardcore then 360 and for that matter PS3 >>360... this is of course just an Opinion...FYI

PC and Wii rock, PS3 is ok, 360 is for kiddies.


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Being a "hardcore" gamer is having a passion for gaming.There's really no such thing as a "hardcore" or "casual" game,as they are both terms to describe the gamer him/herself.VGobbsesser

So this:

= This?

I don't think so.

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someone who isint a blind fanboy that takes one side of a company that doesnt give a damn about them.

someone who dosent always buy into hype, and judges games based on what they think not on what a websites says.

someone who can have a good aguement about the state of gaming with good points and well though out theory's

system wars is none of that...

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I would have to agree that the gamer tends to make a game hardcore. Games that have little to no depth or skill requirements will be harder for a fan to pass off as a "hardcore game". I have never seen anyone say "I'm a hardcore Flow player".

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THere is no such thing as a hardcore game. Anyone who thinks there is betrays themselves as the casual games that they really are.

Games can not be hardcore or casual. Only PEOPLE can have the level of dedication and passion that is required to be labelled hardcore or casual. Games, on the other hand, may try to appeal to a certain category of gamer, but they can not be hardcore or casual themselves.

Other than that, I agree with your basic point. Too many people automatically label FPS games "hardcore". I believe they do this because they are casual gamers who want to feel cooler so they feel the need to define themselves by the games they play. But every single casual gamer I know plays NOTHING but FPS. Why? Because there is no thinking involved. They can boot it up and be pumped full of adrenaline and explosions and twitch gaming. But some people will play a FPS for hours every day and master everything about it. THOSE people are hardcore gamers.

Hardcore is how dedicated you are. How passionate you are about something. It isn't about how "cool" or how "mature" you believe it is.

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What this thread is about is just providing a little balance to System wars as I see it as very Lemming dominated IMO with a very big slant towards "so Called Mature Games"
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I would have to agree that the gamer tends to make a game hardcore. Games that have little to no depth or skill requirements will be harder for a fan to pass off as a "hardcore game". I have never seen anyone say "I'm a hardcore Flow player".

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It has to be somebody who's done something hardcore. Camping out for a console on launch day is a bit of a start due to how common it is.
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What this thread is about is just providing a little balance to System wars as I see it as very Lemming dominated IMO with a very big slant towards "so Called Mature Games"BAgamer

So fight fanboy with fanboy...Have to say, that is kinda how SW has always been.

And it won't be lemming dominated for long. There is always an ebb and flow to the fanboys here.

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[QUOTE="VGobbsesser"]Being a "hardcore" gamer is having a passion for gaming.There's really no such thing as a "hardcore" or "casual" game,as they are both terms to describe the gamer him/herself.Dystopian-X

So this: =This? I don't think so.

I never stated every game was equal,nor did I say that every game was meant for every single audience out there.

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[QUOTE="Dystopian-X"]

[QUOTE="VGobbsesser"]Being a "hardcore" gamer is having a passion for gaming.There's really no such thing as a "hardcore" or "casual" game,as they are both terms to describe the gamer him/herself.VGobbsesser

So this: =This? I don't think so.

I never stated every game was equal,nor did I say that every game was meant for every single audience out there.

You said there's no casual or hardcore game which implies those two are the same on that aspect.

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[QUOTE="VGobbsesser"][QUOTE="Dystopian-X"]

[QUOTE="VGobbsesser"]Being a "hardcore" gamer is having a passion for gaming.There's really no such thing as a "hardcore" or "casual" game,as they are both terms to describe the gamer him/herself.Dystopian-X

So this: =This? I don't think so.

I never stated every game was equal,nor did I say that every game was meant for every single audience out there.

You said there's no casual or hardcore game which implies those two are the same on that aspect.

In the way you play them, yes it could be the same.

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What this thread is about is just providing a little balance to System wars as I see it as very Lemming dominated IMO with a very big slant towards "so Called Mature Games"BAgamer

And if you combine all of them you're still the bigger fanboy. It's rather annoying, you made an interesting topic that could have a good discussion value but all you're interested in is acting a fanboy.

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[QUOTE="RobbieH1234"]Can somebody translate that for me, please? I would do it on Google, but they don't have a Fanboy -> English translator.BAgamer
You would think that Lemspot would provide a translaitor for you guys...

I thought this was Gamesp...ooh. You changed "game" to "lem". That's really very clever. And original.

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[QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

I would have to agree that the gamer tends to make a game hardcore. Games that have little to no depth or skill requirements will be harder for a fan to pass off as a "hardcore game". I have never seen anyone say "I'm a hardcore Flow player".

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DAMIT SPRUCE! way to ruin a point :P

I guess any game can be hardcore....

check this out,

checkers

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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

I would have to agree that the gamer tends to make a game hardcore. Games that have little to no depth or skill requirements will be harder for a fan to pass off as a "hardcore game". I have never seen anyone say "I'm a hardcore Flow player".

FragTycoon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIrDlJbCtZg&feature=related

DAMIT SPRUCE! way to ruin a point :P

I guess any game can be hardcore....

check this out,

checkers

You know you love me! :D

Actually, I didn't go looking to prove you wrong. I found that video the other day when I was trying to decide if I wanted to buy flOw or not...

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[QUOTE="Dystopian-X"][QUOTE="VGobbsesser"][QUOTE="Dystopian-X"]

[QUOTE="VGobbsesser"]Being a "hardcore" gamer is having a passion for gaming.There's really no such thing as a "hardcore" or "casual" game,as they are both terms to describe the gamer him/herself.SpruceCaboose

So this: =This? I don't think so.

I never stated every game was equal,nor did I say that every game was meant for every single audience out there.

You said there's no casual or hardcore game which implies those two are the same on that aspect.

In the way you play them, yes it could be the same.

Yes but still the whole there's no casual/hardcore game argument is flawed. I know there might be a ''person'' who would play kitty luv more hardcore than NG, but that would be a rare case.

These games can be labeled as casual/hardcore by looking at the audience they are targeted to, not just a minority that might play them on a different level.

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This:



http://youtube.com/watch?v=9msKYqaAdB4
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if you combine all of them you're still the bigger fanboy. It's rather annoying, you made an interesting topic that could have a good discussion value but all you're interested in is acting a fanboy.CreepyBacon
Yes I am a bigger fanboy then you does that make you happy, whatever floats your boat. IMO the 360 IS a Great system there is nothing wrong with the games them self BUT nothing that great or different for that matter then the old xbox. The System it self is faulty and rushed and by the sound of it will suffer from an early death just like the original. But in terms of "hardcore" no system is more then the other and mature is in the eye of beholder... ie Zelda TP is more mature then Manhunt two IMO maybe not yours but you can keep your mind closed to all things outside your comfort zone if you want.
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Lol PC and Wii fanboy a bit too much don't you say? The term hardcore is more oriented towards the gamer and not the game in-itself (except for the occasional game where it is completly blatant that it is not aimed towards the casual gamer).

I especially laughed when you said Halo 3 was not hardcore. While I do believe that the majority of gamers who play it over Xbox Live are more casual orientated, It is impossible to affirm that the MLG community (aka the pros) for Halo 3 are not hardcore.

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Yes but still the whole there's no casual/hardcore game argument is flawed. I know there might be a ''person'' who would play kitty luv more hardcore than NG, but that would be a rare case.

These games can be labeled as casual/hardcore by looking at the audience they are targeted to, not just a minority that might play them on a different level.

Dystopian-X

I still believe that the end result lies with the user and not whom the marketing department set out to target.

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#33 Dystopian-X
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[QUOTE="Dystopian-X"]

Yes but still the whole there's no casual/hardcore game argument is flawed. I know there might be a ''person'' who would play kitty luv more hardcore than NG, but that would be a rare case.

These games can be labeled as casual/hardcore by looking at the audience they are targeted to, not just a minority that might play them on a different level.

SpruceCaboose

I still believe that the end result lies with the user and not whom the marketing department set out to target.

Well I understand your point of view but when it comes to labeling them, I belive it can be easly done going by that among other factor.

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This:



http://youtube.com/watch?v=9msKYqaAdB4foxhound_fox

How about this? Or this?

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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="Dystopian-X"]

Yes but still the whole there's no casual/hardcore game argument is flawed. I know there might be a ''person'' who would play kitty luv more hardcore than NG, but that would be a rare case.

These games can be labeled as casual/hardcore by looking at the audience they are targeted to, not just a minority that might play them on a different level.

Dystopian-X

I still believe that the end result lies with the user and not whom the marketing department set out to target.

Well I understand your point of view but when it comes to labeling them, I belive it can be easly done going by that among other factor.


The gamer defines the game. Games might be "casual" or "hardcore" but that is only because their majority audience is that particular type of gamer. No game is inherently "casual" or "hardcore." Games might be made to appeal to certain audiences but again, that doesn't make them inherently "casual" or "hardcore."

If I were to play a "casual" game like Wiisports, that doesn't make me a casual gamer. I am still hardcore because I have a large collection that spans many genres and eras and a huge interest in the inner workings of the industry.
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Yes but still the whole there's no casual/hardcore game argument is flawed. I know there might be a ''person'' who would play kitty luv more hardcore than NG, but that would be a rare case.

These games can be labeled as casual/hardcore by looking at the audience they are targeted to, not just a minority that might play them on a different level.

Dystopian-X

Objects can not be hardcore or casual. People put those labels on things so that when they buy them, they feel better about themselves. They believe they are more hardcore if they buy something they've convinced themselves is hardcore. Essentially it boils down to whatever they think is "cool" enough to show off to their immature, casual buddies is "hardcore", and anything else is casual.

What you are confusing as "casual" or "hardcore" is meaningles BS. The marketing, or advertising, or simplicity of the game. That has nothing to do with hardcore/casual. That is marketing. That is trying to appeal to a certain audience. And look at the result. Developers are doing that with the Wii, making games they think should appeal to casual gamers, and instead they flop becuase they are making a crap game.

And if you honestly think that games can be labelled by looking at the audience they are targeted to, then the games most people call "hardcore" (fps, most fighters, racers, etc) are really the most casual because they are advertised to the majority of the gaming audience today...who is casual gamers that only care about playing what is cool and about showing off graphics or owning the games their friends own.

So if there is any flawed thinking, it is the people who confuse 8 year olds and grandmothers with the TRUE casual gamers. The TRUE casual gamers are the people who only cared about gaming when it became popular, and only care about gaming as an accessory...something to make them more popular by taking part in it. Something they can buy to show off and brag about, not because they actually care about videogames or the indutry. They care about the TREND. THe people you are confusing for casual gamers are actually NON-gamers. They don't care about videogames at all. They just like being able to play a simple game for a few minutes and then put it down. These people may be playing a videogame, but they are no more a "gamer" than the grandmother who does a crossword puzzle in the morning.

Then again, when the casual gamers take over the market, they lower the bar. They make themselves, their way of thinking, and their standards the new "norm" and anything less is the new casual.

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This is simple any game not exclusive to Sony is hardcore...
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In my opinion there is no such thing as a hardcore game.

But there are hardcore gamers. What I mean is COD4 is played by harcore and casual gamers. Its just that hardcore gamers play it more and try to get better. SOCOM will have casual and hardcore gamers too.

Anyone can play any game, it all depends on how much you play it, weather you are in a clan or not and weather you play in tournaments or not.

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There aren't any "hardcore games", there's hardcore gamers, but not games.
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#40 Video_Game_King
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There aren't any "hardcore games", there's hardcore gamers, but not games.ithilgore2006

No hardcore games? Try Blazing Star.

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#41 blackdreamhunk
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[QUOTE="bulletsword"]for one, a hardcore game doesn't use extremely high-end graphics to prostitute itself to the gaming market.Wartzay

Some games REQUIRE many many hours of practice and manual reading to actually play them in a basic manner. Other games are easy enough to play with zero knowledge that you're good in 3 hours of playing,

Falcon 4.0 is the former, Call of Duty 4 is the latter.

I would agree that is the must hardcore game ever!!!!!!!!!! the manual is like a big huge book!!!
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#42 waynehead895
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Idk what a hardcore gamer is nor do I care. I'm not playing games to be accepted as hardcore. I play games to please me, not anyone else.
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#43 Dystopian-X
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The gamer defines the game. Games might be "casual" or "hardcore" but that is only because their majority audience is that particular type of gamer. No game is inherently "casual" or "hardcore." Games might be made to appeal to certain audiences but again, that doesn't make them inherently "casual" or "hardcore."

If I were to play a "casual" game like Wiisports, that doesn't make me a casual gamer. I am still hardcore because I have a large collection that spans many genres and eras and a huge interest in the inner workings of the industry.foxhound_fox

I understand that, I already showed with an example. Yet that minority itself labels it too along with the majority, you may say there are no casual/hardcore games but when you see a game like Wiisports you know it's not the same as say Ikagura in aspects that would mark one as casual and other as hardcore in the way you have to play them and the way they appeal.

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Yes but still the whole there's no casual/hardcore game argument is flawed. I know there might be a ''person'' who would play kitty luv more hardcore than NG, but that would be a rare case.

These games can be labeled as casual/hardcore by looking at the audience they are targeted to, not just a minority that might play them on a different level.

ZIMdoom

Objects can not be hardcore or casual. People put those labels on things so that when they buy them, they feel better about themselves. They believe they are more hardcore if they buy something they've convinced themselves is hardcore. Essentially it boils down to whatever they think is "cool" enough to show off to their immature, casual buddies is "hardcore", and anything else is casual.

What you are confusing as "casual" or "hardcore" is meaningles BS. The marketing, or advertising, or simplicity of the game. That has nothing to do with hardcore/casual. That is marketing. That is trying to appeal to a certain audience. And look at the result. Developers are doing that with the Wii, making games they think should appeal to casual gamers, and instead they flop becuase they are making a crap game.

And if you honestly think that games can be labelled by looking at the audience they are targeted to, then the games most people call "hardcore" (fps, most fighters, racers, etc) are really the most casual because they are advertised to the majority of the gaming audience today...who is casual gamers that only care about playing what is cool and about showing off graphics or owning the games their friends own.

So if there is any flawed thinking, it is the people who confuse 8 year olds and grandmothers with the TRUE casual gamers. The TRUE casual gamers are the people who only cared about gaming when it became popular, and only care about gaming as an accessory...something to make them more popular by taking part in it. Something they can buy to show off and brag about, not because they actually care about videogames or the indutry. They care about the TREND. THe people you are confusing for casual gamers are actually NON-gamers. They don't care about videogames at all. They just like being able to play a simple game for a few minutes and then put it down. These people may be playing a videogame, but they are no more a "gamer" than the grandmother who does a crossword puzzle in the morning.

Then again, when the casual gamers take over the market, they lower the bar. They make themselves, their way of thinking, and their standards the new "norm" and anything less is the new casual.

Yes, those are labels ppl give, but it's not really bad, it's not always about either one being ''cool/uncool'', just know the difference. Some those games you mention are actually considered as both. You are even using and giving good examples and explaining of really casual games yourself.