What is Halo?

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

.. What excuse is that? Because I have played halo 1 and halo 3.. Especially Halo 3 multiplayer to death.. I liked it. but I found the comparative shooters on the PC to be far more superior in singleplayer and multiplayer.. What excuse is that?

sSubZerOo

And does that mean that Halo sucks compared to the PC ?

Where did I say it sucked?

where did I say you said it sucked? correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't you asnwer me when the conversation was related to SOMEONE ELSE?

or better yet that every console shooter sucks compared to a PC shooter?

Where did I say that?

read the above

because that's one excuse the haters usually use. Yet no one has any problems when it's bioshock, borderlands, or countless other shooters I mentioned before.

Ok what does this have anything to do with my post?

read the above

No, somehow halo is the only shooter in the world that sucks when compared to PC shooters :roll:

Sucks? No, over-rated? Yes imo.. I give the series a solid 8.0..

good for you

if you're going to quote someone, maybe next time you should try reading the entire conversation

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

And does that mean that Halo sucks compared to the PC ?

Where did I say it sucked?

where did I say you said it sucked? correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't you asnwer me when the conversation was related to SOMEONE ELSE?

or better yet that every console shooter sucks compared to a PC shooter?

Where did I say that?

read the above

because that's one excuse the haters usually use. Yet no one has any problems when it's bioshock, borderlands, or countless other shooters I mentioned before.

Ok what does this have anything to do with my post?

read the above

No, somehow halo is the only shooter in the world that sucks when compared to PC shooters :roll:

Sucks? No, over-rated? Yes imo.. I give the series a solid 8.0..

good for you

ohthemanatee

if you're going to quote someone, maybe next time you should try reading the entire conversation

Where did I say that? I specifically pointed out that many people feel many of the pc shooters to be better.. Thats all I stated.. I was specifically pointing out that "excuse" that people play pc's to be stupid, and I disagreed.

Where did I say that? I specifically pointed out that many people feel many of the pc shooters to be better.. Thats all I stated.. I was specifically pointing out that "excuse" that people play pc's to be stupid, and I disagreed.

sSubZerOo

Once again, then why is that I only see Halo being the target of such accusations?

If you meant that you like more realistic shooters that's one thing.

Now if you simply mean "shooters" then it's just BS

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Where did I say that? I specifically pointed out that many people feel many of the pc shooters to be better.. Thats all I stated.. I was specifically pointing out that "excuse" that people play pc's to be stupid, and I disagreed.

ohthemanatee

Once again, then why is that I only see Halo being the target of such accusations?

Because its wildly popularly and rated extremely high?

If you meant that you like more realistic shooters that's one thing.

... No I hae a few sci-fi shoots on the PC that I prefer more..

Now if you simply mean "shooters" then it's just BS

.. BS because I found a handful of shooters on the PC to be superior then Halo.. Its called a OPINION.. Deal with it.

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Where did I say that? I specifically pointed out that many people feel many of the pc shooters to be better.. Thats all I stated.. I was specifically pointing out that "excuse" that people play pc's to be stupid, and I disagreed.

sSubZerOo

Once again, then why is that I only see Halo being the target of such accusations?

Because its wildly popularly and rated extremely high?

What's that got to do with the PC? if you think it«s overrated then get in line, i'm sure it's pretty big right now about now

If you meant that you like more realistic shooters that's one thing.

... No I hae a few sci-fi shoots on the PC that I prefer more..

good for you

Now if you simply mean "shooters" then it's just BS

.. BS because I found a handful of shooters on the PC to be superior then Halo.. Its called a OPINION.. Deal with it.

So you like some shooters better then others? oh god, I never would have guessed it. You're the one who seems to have trouble in accepting the fact that I have no trouble in you preferring other shooters over halo. If you like them, good for you, but using the PC excuse is pretty dumb.

....deal with it :roll: (whatever "it" is)

[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

So now a cover system makes a game not average? That's a first :lol:

Anjunaddict

It doesnt exell in any way, BUT it does everything. It has good co-op, it has a ok SP, good MP, Good balance, and good amount of skill required. It may not be the best in any category but it does do every thing well.

Personly I prefer my games to focus on one thing and perfect it.

Halo is not fast paced but it isnt slow, its not cinematic but its not its not arcadey, and so on. its always in the middle.

(BTW when i mentioned PC games I was only refering to the skill. If you only compare it to console games you could say it takes alot of skill, but on the PC there are tons of games that take more skill)

[QUOTE="Anjunaddict"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]Halo plays like anyother FPS, Killzone 2 does at least a few things to stand out.toast_burner

It doesnt exell in any way, BUT it does everything. It has good co-op, it has a ok SP, good MP, Good balance, and good amount of skill required. It may not be the best in any category but it does do every thing well.

Personly I prefer my games to focus on one thing and perfect it.

Halo is not fast paced but it isnt slow, its not cinematic but its not its not arcadey, and so on. its always in the middle.

(BTW when i mentioned PC games I was only refering to the skill. If you only compare it to console games you could say it takes alot of skill, but on the PC there are tons of games that take more skill)

With that I can agree with

[QUOTE="Anjunaddict"][QUOTE="toast_burner"] Halo plays like anyother FPS, Killzone 2 does at least a few things to stand out.toast_burner

It doesnt exell in any way, BUT it does everything. It has good co-op, it has a ok SP, good MP, Good balance, and good amount of skill required. It may not be the best in any category but it does do every thing well.

Personly I prefer my games to focus on one thing and perfect it.

Halo is not fast paced but it isnt slow, its not cinematic but its not its not arcadey, and so on. its always in the middle.

(BTW when i mentioned PC games I was only refering to the skill. If you only compare it to console games you could say it takes alot of skill, but on the PC there are tons of games that take more skill)

[QUOTE="Anjunaddict"][QUOTE="toast_burner"] Halo plays like anyother FPS, Killzone 2 does at least a few things to stand out.toast_burner

It doesnt exell in any way, BUT it does everything. It has good co-op, it has a ok SP, good MP, Good balance, and good amount of skill required. It may not be the best in any category but it does do every thing well.

Personly I prefer my games to focus on one thing and perfect it.

Halo is not fast paced but it isnt slow, its not cinematic but its not its not arcadey, and so on. its always in the middle.

(BTW when i mentioned PC games I was only refering to the skill. If you only compare it to console games you could say it takes alot of skill, but on the PC there are tons of games that take more skill)

I think competitive games on both platforms take equal amounts of skill, well one doesnt automatically trump the other. PC has the better more precise control scheme and thats its biggest advantage, but console shooters dont take less skill just because they have a clunkier control method.

Thats like saying Colin McRae is less skilled than Lewis Hamilton because Hamilton uses more expensive and advanced equipment.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="Anjunaddict"] You won't find another FPS that is as feature rich as Halo on consoles, and thats a fact. Also, how does trying to be original = not being average? A game can be completely unoriginal and bring nothing new to the table, yet still be awesome (see Uncharted 2). savagetwinkie

It doesnt exell in any way, BUT it does everything. It has good co-op, it has a ok SP, good MP, Good balance, and good amount of skill required. It may not be the best in any category but it does do every thing well.

Personly I prefer my games to focus on one thing and perfect it.

Halo is not fast paced but it isnt slow, its not cinematic but its not its not arcadey, and so on. its always in the middle.

(BTW when i mentioned PC games I was only refering to the skill. If you only compare it to console games you could say it takes alot of skill, but on the PC there are tons of games that take more skill)

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]Your right, I worded that wrong

It doesnt exell in any way, BUT it does everything. It has good co-op, it has a ok SP, good MP, Good balance, and good amount of skill required. It may not be the best in any category but it does do every thing well.

Personly I prefer my games to focus on one thing and perfect it.

Halo is not fast paced but it isnt slow, its not cinematic but its not its not arcadey, and so on. its always in the middle.

(BTW when i mentioned PC games I was only refering to the skill. If you only compare it to console games you could say it takes alot of skill, but on the PC there are tons of games that take more skill)

toast_burner

[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] pc games don't take more skill, consoles don't take more skill, i don't get how how this could change with interface. This is especially true if your playing multiplayer, skill is needed depending on your opponents and not game mechanics. And halo really excels at what it does, i've never really played a good SP experience that brings the same feel to it, and there isn't a mp yet that has a really good skill based ranking system. savagetwinkie

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]Aim assist, recoil, and community A noob on CS would get owned on any server. toast_burner

[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] aim assist doesn't really help that much, in fact in most games it makes it harder when it sticks to other targets. And recoil? they didn't change recoil when switching on bfbc so it doesn't make any difference. if you're playing a compitive game skill is soley based on your opponents, even pong could be intense with to good people playing.

savagetwinkie

A very overrated and bad game

That pretty much sums up all the bashing and every attempt to undermine Halo's success. Excuses.

AdobeArtist

I disagree, many people have many legitimate reasons for bashing halo. Whether you agree or not is another story.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] pc games don't take more skill, consoles don't take more skill, i don't get how how this could change with interface. This is especially true if your playing multiplayer, skill is needed depending on your opponents and not game mechanics. And halo really excels at what it does, i've never really played a good SP experience that brings the same feel to it, and there isn't a mp yet that has a really good skill based ranking system. savagetwinkie

actually, this is somewhat true. Aim assist pulls you away from stationary targets, especially when sniping.

skill-wise, I count them the same, Halo has it's fair amount of bunnyhopping, strafing and combinations of the two. it's like any PC game I used to play or still do play. jumping and strafing can make you a winner.;)

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]Whats BFBC got to do with anything?toast_burner

A very overrated and bad game

N7v1K0

On you base this one what exactly?

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]Whats BFBC got to do with anything?Espada12

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

That pretty much sums up all the bashing and every attempt to undermine Halo's success. Excuses.

Espada12

I disagree, many people have many legitimate reasons for bashing halo. Whether you agree or not is another story.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] i'm just pointing out that recoil isn't different because its on a console. And its not more skill based its just a different game style.savagetwinkie

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="toast_burner"] Im not saying games are more skillful because they are on the pc, im just saying that there are more skillful games on the PC.

toast_burner

It's easy to adapt, but it's difficult to master it..

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

That pretty much sums up all the bashing and every attempt to undermine Halo's success. Excuses.

Sandvichman

I disagree, many people have many legitimate reasons for bashing halo. Whether you agree or not is another story.

There are several actually, vehicle abuse, bunny hoping with super jumps and tank controls = lawl, plasma sword, starting this regenning health deal, extremely slow pace and even the below average level design and story telling.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="toast_burner"] Im not saying games are more skillful because they are on the pc, im just saying that there are more skillful games on the PC.

toast_burner

[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] they aren't more skill full, they are just games that use different skills. Competitive play the skill is all in your ability to win against other opponents subject to the same game mechanics. And its not like pc doesn't have its share of recoil-less run n gun shootersSandvichman

It's easy to adapt, but it's difficult to master it..

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"] Halo is easy to learn how to adapt to due to aim asist and little recoil. this makes it less skillful What takes more skill, using a gun, or using a nerf gun?toast_burner

It's easy to adapt, but it's difficult to master it..

no its not, its like all other games, you play enough you get used to the levels, where people are, and how to kill them. savagetwinkie

Yea it is actually, you know exactly where they are coming from but that doesn't mean you can outshoot them. There's even radar and what not in CS to show where people are, you know a guy is coming but if he is a headshot maniac you probably won't beat him in the gun fight.

The difference with CS is the gun mechanics, they are extremely difficult to get a grasp of especially when moving.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="Sandvichman"]

It's easy to adapt, but it's difficult to master it..

savagetwinkie

In CS you are pinned to the ground and beaten by 10 fat guys for weeks on end until you eventually break free and are then captured again by some over people, rinse and repeat until there is no one left.

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

I disagree, many people have many legitimate reasons for bashing halo. Whether you agree or not is another story.

Espada12

There are several actually, vehicle abuse, bunny hoping with super jumps and tank controls = lawl, plasma sword, starting this regenning health deal, extremely slow pace and even the below average level design and story telling.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

no its not, its like all other games, you play enough you get used to the levels, where people are, and how to kill them. Espada12

Yea it is actually, you know exactly where they are coming from but that doesn't mean you can outshoot them. There's even radar and what not in CS to show where people are, you know a guy is coming but if he is a headshot maniac you probably won't beat him in the gun fight.

The difference with CS is the gun mechanics, they are extremely difficult to get a grasp of especially when moving.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"] ' There is no legitimate reason to bash halo, not one that needs a thread to let the whole world know about it. DarkLink77

There are several actually, vehicle abuse, bunny hoping with super jumps and tank controls = lawl, plasma sword, starting this regenning health deal, extremely slow pace and even the below average level design and story telling.

all you do is back up, there is no sprint to offset the 'extremely slow pace' and if this is sword duels, you need to learn when to lunge or when to beatdown.

blue: this is about all he had anyhow. the rest looks like an attempt to have a large list of issues. Adobeartist was right, excuses:|

regenerating health though, that was just grasping for straws.....

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"] ' There is no legitimate reason to bash halo, not one that needs a thread to let the whole world know about it. DarkLink77

There are several actually, vehicle abuse, bunny hoping with super jumps and tank controls = lawl, plasma sword, starting this regenning health deal, extremely slow pace and even the below average level design and story telling.

Wrong it's below average, the flood levels alone make that true.

Vehicles can be killed by a plasma grenade, and most maps don't have them.

I don't see how that changes me statement

Try again, Sword is not OP. It's very easy to stop, especially if you can pull the trigger on a BR.

Never said it was but in close corridors it is extremely advantageous especially since there's a little charge forward on it.

Bunny hopping? You've never played an old-school arena shooter, have you?

Notice I mentioned SUPER JUMPS with tank controls?

Bungie did not force other devs to copy regenerating health.Please.

They practically did since it looked as one of the staples of a successful console FPS.

:roll: Halo is not "slow paced." It runs at an average pace.

You ask me if I've played an old-school arena shooter, I must now as you the same.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

no its not, its like all other games, you play enough you get used to the levels, where people are, and how to kill them. savagetwinkie

Yea it is actually, you know exactly where they are coming from but that doesn't mean you can outshoot them. There's even radar and what not in CS to show where people are, you know a guy is coming but if he is a headshot maniac you probably won't beat him in the gun fight.

The difference with CS is the gun mechanics, they are extremely difficult to get a grasp of especially when moving.

I don't like counter strike because even after 3 years of playing I could never get used to the mechanics..... but nice assumption there!

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

There are several actually, vehicle abuse, bunny hoping with super jumps and tank controls = lawl, plasma sword, starting this regenning health deal, extremely slow pace and even the below average level design and story telling.

HavocV3

all you do is back up, there is no sprint to offset the 'extremely slow pace' and if this is sword duels, you need to learn when to lunge or when to beatdown.

blue: this is about all he had anyhow. the rest looks like an attempt to have a large list of issues. Adobeartist was right, excuses:|

regenerating health though, that was just grasping for straws.....

Again as I said, something many not be relevant to you is relevant to others.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

Yea it is actually, you know exactly where they are coming from but that doesn't mean you can outshoot them. There's even radar and what not in CS to show where people are, you know a guy is coming but if he is a headshot maniac you probably won't beat him in the gun fight.

The difference with CS is the gun mechanics, they are extremely difficult to get a grasp of especially when moving.

Espada12

I don't like counter strike because even after 3 years of playing I could never get used to the mechanics..... but nice assumption there!

an fps. pretty good one, imo.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] no not really, its like every other game, you get used to the mechanics then the skill is all in outplaying other people. I used to play CS there is nothing special about the guns to make them any different or special, you just like counter strike too much to admit that once you get used to game mechanics then the skill is being to outplay another person.savagetwinkie

I don't like counter strike because even after 3 years of playing I could never get used to the mechanics..... but nice assumption there!

Wow.....are you serious? Alot of the pros in halo 3 know how to abuse aim assist to get their kills.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

I don't like counter strike because even after 3 years of playing I could never get used to the mechanics..... but nice assumption there!

Espada12

Wow.....are you serious? Alot of the pros in halo 3 know how to abuse aim assist to get their kills.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

There are several actually, vehicle abuse, bunny hoping with super jumps and tank controls = lawl, plasma sword, starting this regenning health deal, extremely slow pace and even the below average level design and story telling.

Espada12

Wrong it's below average, the flood levels alone make that true.

Vehicles can be killed by a plasma grenade, and most maps don't have them.

I don't see how that changes me statement

Try again, Sword is not OP. It's very easy to stop, especially if you can pull the trigger on a BR.

Never said it was but in close corridors it is extremely advantageous especially since there's a little charge forward on it.

Bunny hopping? You've never played an old-school arena shooter, have you?

Notice I mentioned SUPER JUMPS with tank controls?

Bungie did not force other devs to copy regenerating health.Please.

They practically did since it looked as one of the staples of a successful console FPS.

:roll: Halo is not "slow paced." It runs at an average pace.

You ask me if I've played an old-school arena shooter, I must now as you the same.

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

I disagree, many people have many legitimate reasons for bashing halo. Whether you agree or not is another story.

Espada12

There are several actually, vehicle abuse, bunny hoping with super jumps and tank controls = lawl, plasma sword, starting this regenning health deal, extremely slow pace and even the below average level design and story telling.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"] ' There is no legitimate reason to bash halo, not one that needs a thread to let the whole world know about it. clone01

There are several actually, vehicle abuse, bunny hoping with super jumps and tank controls = lawl, plasma sword, starting this regenning health deal, extremely slow pace and even the below average level design and story telling.

So because I'm not defending halo like the rest of you (when I posted a positive response as my first reply to this thread) I haven't played it? :lol:

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

There are several actually, vehicle abuse, bunny hoping with super jumps and tank controls = lawl, plasma sword, starting this regenning health deal, extremely slow pace and even the below average level design and story telling.

Espada12

So because I'm not defending halo like the rest of you (when I posted a positive response as my first reply to this thread) I haven't played it? :lol:

There is ONE legitimately bad level in Halo 3. ONE. And that's Cortana.One bad level does not equal bad design. Wow seriously? All the flood levels were bad and since when was I talking about halo 3 alone? This horrible level design has been going through 1-3

You said vehicle abuse. It's not a problem considering 1) You can blow them up before people get in them. 2) They are incredibly easy to kill. Define incredibly easy, because from what I've been playing no they aren't "incredibly easy" to kill.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXLFtihz_n0

A sword is advantageous in close quarters? Really? So is a shotgun. It's supposed to be. Yea not one shot effective though.....

Bungie did not force anyone to do anything. Please. Devs liked the idea, so they ripped it off. Blame them. You follow what the most successful game does.....

Yeah, I have. I'm a HUGE Quake and Unreal fan. So then how can you say halo is average paced :lol:

DarkLink77

I don't understand the problem with vehicle controls. it's preference anyhow.

maybe vehicle physics, that's something I remember having a problem with. but I kind of like that now, makes for some good fileshare moments.

again, the regenerative health things was hardly necessary.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

I don't like counter strike because even after 3 years of playing I could never get used to the mechanics..... but nice assumption there!

Espada12

Wow.....are you serious? Alot of the pros in halo 3 know how to abuse aim assist to get their kills.