What is Microsoft thinking?

I've just finished reading this

"There's no way Microsoft will install a Blu-ray drive into the Xbox 720, and to be quite honest, I don't think there's any reason for it to do so.(lol wut?) The reasons are simple. First, Microsoft doesn't want to pay a competitor--Sony, the key backer behind the Blu-ray Disc Association--to use its format"(this makes sense)

"The future of gaming has nothing to do with Blu-ray. And although we don't know what Microsoft will include in the Xbox 720, I'm willing to bet it'll feature DVD and a strong online component where buying games through Xbox Live is made simpler.

It's the smart move."

So m$ won't put blu-ray on the xbox 3, it will still go with dvd(most likely).

Imo this is crazy, i think m$ is trying to hold back the "evolution" of formats.As we all see blu-ray is very successful, laptop manufacturers like Asus, Acer, Sony(d'oh) all have many models with blu-ray. I don't think m$ will take the risk to make another new format since they saw what happened to HD-DVD.It's just silly, what would have happend if we would still use only CDs? we would have games on...like 10 CDs.After 2 years blu-ray will be cheaper and affordable....

Your thoughts?

I've just finished reading this

"There's no way Microsoft will install a Blu-ray drive into the Xbox 720, and to be quite honest, I don't think there's any reason for it to do so.(lol wut?) The reasons are simple. First, Microsoft doesn't want to pay a competitor--Sony, the key backer behind the Blu-ray Disc Association--to use its format"(this makes sense)

"The future of gaming has nothing to do with Blu-ray. And although we don't know what Microsoft will include in the Xbox 720, I'm willing to bet it'll feature DVD and a strong online component where buying games through Xbox Live is made simpler.

It's the smart move."

So m$ won't put blu-ray on the xbox 3, it will still go with dvd(most likely).

Imo this is crazy, i think m$ is trying to hold back the "evolution" of formats.As we all see blu-ray is very successful, laptop manufacturers like Asus, Acer, Sony(d'oh) all have many models with blu-ray. I don't think m$ will take the risk to make another new format since they saw what happened to HD-DVD.It's just silly, what would have happend if we would still use only CDs? we would have games on...like 10 CDs.After 2 years blu-ray will be cheaper and affordable....

Your thoughts?

Al3x_n90

[QUOTE="Al3x_n90"]

I've just finished reading this

"There's no way Microsoft will install a Blu-ray drive into the Xbox 720, and to be quite honest, I don't think there's any reason for it to do so.(lol wut?) The reasons are simple. First, Microsoft doesn't want to pay a competitor--Sony, the key backer behind the Blu-ray Disc Association--to use its format"(this makes sense)

"The future of gaming has nothing to do with Blu-ray. And although we don't know what Microsoft will include in the Xbox 720, I'm willing to bet it'll feature DVD and a strong online component where buying games through Xbox Live is made simpler.

It's the smart move."

So m$ won't put blu-ray on the xbox 3, it will still go with dvd(most likely).

Imo this is crazy, i think m$ is trying to hold back the "evolution" of formats.As we all see blu-ray is very successful, laptop manufacturers like Asus, Acer, Sony(d'oh) all have many models with blu-ray. I don't think m$ will take the risk to make another new format since they saw what happened to HD-DVD.It's just silly, what would have happend if we would still use only CDs? we would have games on...like 10 CDs.After 2 years blu-ray will be cheaper and affordable....

Your thoughts?

Eyezonmii

Idk....the biggest DVDs i've seen in store have 8gigs

unless internet speeds get alot quicker and MS is willing to offer a much bigger harddrive digital distribution doesn't seem too likely. i don't see why not by then BD drive speeds will be up and will definetly be worth itRagashahs

Cuz they don't wanna pay sony for BR rights lol...but imo that's a dumb reason

[QUOTE="Ragashahs"]unless internet speeds get alot quicker and MS is willing to offer a much bigger harddrive digital distribution doesn't seem too likely. i don't see why not by then BD drive speeds will be up and will definetly be worth itAl3x_n90

Cuz they don't wanna pay sony for BR rights lol...but imo that's a dumb reason

[QUOTE="Eyezonmii"][QUOTE="Al3x_n90"]

I've just finished reading this

"There's no way Microsoft will install a Blu-ray drive into the Xbox 720, and to be quite honest, I don't think there's any reason for it to do so.(lol wut?) The reasons are simple. First, Microsoft doesn't want to pay a competitor--Sony, the key backer behind the Blu-ray Disc Association--to use its format"(this makes sense)

"The future of gaming has nothing to do with Blu-ray. And although we don't know what Microsoft will include in the Xbox 720, I'm willing to bet it'll feature DVD and a strong online component where buying games through Xbox Live is made simpler.

It's the smart move."

So m$ won't put blu-ray on the xbox 3, it will still go with dvd(most likely).

Imo this is crazy, i think m$ is trying to hold back the "evolution" of formats.As we all see blu-ray is very successful, laptop manufacturers like Asus, Acer, Sony(d'oh) all have many models with blu-ray. I don't think m$ will take the risk to make another new format since they saw what happened to HD-DVD.It's just silly, what would have happend if we would still use only CDs? we would have games on...like 10 CDs.After 2 years blu-ray will be cheaper and affordable....

Your thoughts?

Al3x_n90

Idk....the biggest DVDs i've seen in store have 8gigs

[QUOTE="Al3x_n90"]

[QUOTE="Ragashahs"]unless internet speeds get alot quicker and MS is willing to offer a much bigger harddrive digital distribution doesn't seem too likely. i don't see why not by then BD drive speeds will be up and will definetly be worth itCouth_

Cuz they don't wanna pay sony for BR rights lol...but imo that's a dumb reason

[QUOTE="Al3x_n90"][QUOTE="Eyezonmii"] They don't want to support any formats, there plan is to make it look like its "not needed" so they can soley introduce Digital distribution. BTW, aren't their like DVD with bigger capacity's now? TREAL_Since

Idk....the biggest DVDs i've seen in store have 8gigs

There are some big DVDs, but they take longer to read I think. BR is more logical and there's an overload of space. Next gen would definitely make sense to use BR. MS has their DD agenda though. That's really the sole reason they supported HDDVD in the first place. They don't care for either format. They want to be known for ushering in DD.TREAL_Since

Probably, but if m$ wants DD to really kick off they must not charge for online(like they do now) if online is free, more customers will be tempted to download games, movies etc.

[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"][QUOTE="Al3x_n90"]

Idk....the biggest DVDs i've seen in store have 8gigs

Eyezonmii

I agree with you, i want to own physical media, to look at the box i'm holding in my hand, to stack the games, movies into neat little towers lulz...they can do whatever they want as long as i can still buy games in a box from the store :)

Its not your problem you're just a rabid cow looking for reasons to bash the xbox brand,period.McdonaIdsGuy

What are you talking about ? :| what am i bashing? did i say something bad about the xbox?

And please don't insult me by calling me a cow.

[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"][QUOTE="Al3x_n90"]

Idk....the biggest DVDs i've seen in store have 8gigs

Eyezonmii

I've just finished reading this

"There's no way Microsoft will install a Blu-ray drive into the Xbox 720, and to be quite honest, I don't think there's any reason for it to do so.(lol wut?) The reasons are simple. First, Microsoft doesn't want to pay a competitor--Sony, the key backer behind the Blu-ray Disc Association--to use its format"(this makes sense)

"The future of gaming has nothing to do with Blu-ray. And although we don't know what Microsoft will include in the Xbox 720, I'm willing to bet it'll feature DVD and a strong online component where buying games through Xbox Live is made simpler.

It's the smart move."

So m$ won't put blu-ray on the xbox 3, it will still go with dvd(most likely).

Imo this is crazy, i think m$ is trying to hold back the "evolution" of formats.As we all see blu-ray is very successful, laptop manufacturers like Asus, Acer, Sony(d'oh) all have many models with blu-ray. I don't think m$ will take the risk to make another new format since they saw what happened to HD-DVD.It's just silly, what would have happend if we would still use only CDs? we would have games on...like 10 CDs.After 2 years blu-ray will be cheaper and affordable....

Your thoughts?

Al3x_n90

[QUOTE="Couth_"][QUOTE="Captain__Tripps"] Not exactly the same thing, lol. What is Sony going to put on their laptop other than windows? MS doesn't need BR. They probably will use it, but there are other options. Ship it with a huge HD, and do installs. Use HD-DVD, or there are other larger than DVD formats.Captain__Tripps

It's all about cost my friend. Hd-dvd is no longer being improved on. By the time the next xbox console comes out blue-ray will be so perfected it'll be dirt cheap to manufactuer. You're thinking to close in front of your eyes. You need to put some contacts on your thoughts and see farther.

If microsoft used a hd-dvd drive it'd be dumb; it'd be like in a year a motherboard manufacturer using electrolytic capacitors when solid state capacitors are cheaper, more readily available, and way more reliable. That would be a horribly dumb decision since not only would the crappy capacitors be more expensive but they'd be less reliable.

You can also rule out any download distribution. At our current rate of growth for broadband the Communications Workers of America union concluded it'd take about 100 years for us to catch up to japan in broadband. Before anyone mentions some sort of but japan is smaller just stfu. That is not an excuse why big cities like LA, NYC, Seattle, Atlanta, etc.. don't have the same services of like tokyo, amsterdam, paris, etc..

[QUOTE="Al3x_n90"]

I've just finished reading this

"There's no way Microsoft will install a Blu-ray drive into the Xbox 720, and to be quite honest, I don't think there's any reason for it to do so.(lol wut?) The reasons are simple. First, Microsoft doesn't want to pay a competitor--Sony, the key backer behind the Blu-ray Disc Association--to use its format"(this makes sense)

"The future of gaming has nothing to do with Blu-ray. And although we don't know what Microsoft will include in the Xbox 720, I'm willing to bet it'll feature DVD and a strong online component where buying games through Xbox Live is made simpler.

It's the smart move."

So m$ won't put blu-ray on the xbox 3, it will still go with dvd(most likely).

Imo this is crazy, i think m$ is trying to hold back the "evolution" of formats.As we all see blu-ray is very successful, laptop manufacturers like Asus, Acer, Sony(d'oh) all have many models with blu-ray. I don't think m$ will take the risk to make another new format since they saw what happened to HD-DVD.It's just silly, what would have happend if we would still use only CDs? we would have games on...like 10 CDs.After 2 years blu-ray will be cheaper and affordable....

Your thoughts?

DethSkematik

Asus leptops are good, i'm going now with my dad to buy a acer aspire 8930G8) anyways congrats for your purchase

[QUOTE="DethSkematik"][QUOTE="Al3x_n90"]

I've just finished reading this

"There's no way Microsoft will install a Blu-ray drive into the Xbox 720, and to be quite honest, I don't think there's any reason for it to do so.(lol wut?) The reasons are simple. First, Microsoft doesn't want to pay a competitor--Sony, the key backer behind the Blu-ray Disc Association--to use its format"(this makes sense)

"The future of gaming has nothing to do with Blu-ray. And although we don't know what Microsoft will include in the Xbox 720, I'm willing to bet it'll feature DVD and a strong online component where buying games through Xbox Live is made simpler.

It's the smart move."

So m$ won't put blu-ray on the xbox 3, it will still go with dvd(most likely).

Imo this is crazy, i think m$ is trying to hold back the "evolution" of formats.As we all see blu-ray is very successful, laptop manufacturers like Asus, Acer, Sony(d'oh) all have many models with blu-ray. I don't think m$ will take the risk to make another new format since they saw what happened to HD-DVD.It's just silly, what would have happend if we would still use only CDs? we would have games on...like 10 CDs.After 2 years blu-ray will be cheaper and affordable....

Your thoughts?

Al3x_n90

Asus leptops are good, i'm going now with my dad to buy a acer aspire 8930G8) anyways congrats for your purchase

[QUOTE="Captain__Tripps"][QUOTE="Couth_"]RIGHT NOW there isn't any other options. HD DVD is completely dead. And i've said this before, games arn't going to take up 200gigs that Blu Ray can hold. But they are going to take up more than the 9 that a DVD can hold. Even 10 gigs is too much for a DVD. And some genres just won't work on two discs. So unless something is developed before M$ comes out with a new console. Expect it to use Blu Ray. And Sony will welcome it of course.sh0vet

It's all about cost my friend. Hd-dvd is no longer being improved on. By the time the next xbox console comes out blue-ray will be so perfected it'll be dirt cheap to manufactuer. You're thinking to close in front of your eyes. You need to put some contacts on your thoughts and see father.

If microsoft used a hd-dvd drive it'd be dumb; it'd be like in a year a motherboard manufacturer using electrolytic capacitors when solid state capacitors are cheaper, more readily available, and way more reliable. That would be a horribly dumb decision since not only would the crappy capacitors be more expensive but they'd be less reliable.

You can also rule out any download distribution. At our current rate of growth for broadband the Communications Workers of America union concluded it'd take about 100 years for us to catch up to japan in broadband. Before anyone mentions some sort of but japan is smaller just stfu. That is not an excuse why big cities like LA, NYC, Seattle, Atlanta, etc.. don't have the same services of like tokyo, amsterdam, paris, etc..

[QUOTE="sh0vet"]

[QUOTE="Captain__Tripps"] Why does it matter if HD-DVD is dead on a video game system? Captain__Tripps

It's all about cost my friend. Hd-dvd is no longer being improved on. By the time the next xbox console comes out blue-ray will be so perfected it'll be dirt cheap to manufactuer. You're thinking to close in front of your eyes. You need to put some contacts on your thoughts and see father.

If microsoft used a hd-dvd drive it'd be dumb; it'd be like in a year a motherboard manufacturer using electrolytic capacitors when solid state capacitors are cheaper, more readily available, and way more reliable. That would be a horribly dumb decision since not only would the crappy capacitors be more expensive but they'd be less reliable.

You can also rule out any download distribution. At our current rate of growth for broadband the Communications Workers of America union concluded it'd take about 100 years for us to catch up to japan in broadband. Before anyone mentions some sort of but japan is smaller just stfu. That is not an excuse why big cities like LA, NYC, Seattle, Atlanta, etc.. don't have the same services of like tokyo, amsterdam, paris, etc..

Cost cost cost. The more something is improved on the cheaper it is to manufacturer. Im not even sure microsoft owns the factories that manufacturer the xbox 360s I wouldn't be surprised if they used a fab company to do it. So that means when it comes to discs they will use a fab company as well.

So lets say Microsoft contacts TDK to be the primary manufacturer for their discs on their next console. You can be pretty certain TDK's ability to create a blue-ray disc is going to be way cheaper than any other format.

[QUOTE="Captain__Tripps"][QUOTE="Couth_"]RIGHT NOW there isn't any other options. HD DVD is completely dead. And i've said this before, games arn't going to take up 200gigs that Blu Ray can hold. But they are going to take up more than the 9 that a DVD can hold. Even 10 gigs is too much for a DVD. And some genres just won't work on two discs. So unless something is developed before M$ comes out with a new console. Expect it to use Blu Ray. And Sony will welcome it of course.sh0vet

It's all about cost my friend. Hd-dvd is no longer being improved on. By the time the next xbox console comes out blue-ray will be so perfected it'll be dirt cheap to manufactuer. You're thinking to close in front of your eyes. You need to put some contacts on your thoughts and see farther.

If microsoft used a hd-dvd drive it'd be dumb; it'd be like in a year a motherboard manufacturer using electrolytic capacitors when solid state capacitors are cheaper, more readily available, and way more reliable. That would be a horribly dumb decision since not only would the crappy capacitors be more expensive but they'd be less reliable.

You can also rule out any download distribution. At our current rate of growth for broadband the Communications Workers of America union concluded it'd take about 100 years for us to catch up to japan in broadband. Before anyone mentions some sort of but japan is smaller just stfu. That is not an excuse why big cities like LA, NYC, Seattle, Atlanta, etc.. don't have the same services of like tokyo, amsterdam, paris, etc..

[QUOTE="sh0vet"]

[QUOTE="Captain__Tripps"] Why does it matter if HD-DVD is dead on a video game system? micky4889

It's all about cost my friend. Hd-dvd is no longer being improved on. By the time the next xbox console comes out blue-ray will be so perfected it'll be dirt cheap to manufactuer. You're thinking to close in front of your eyes. You need to put some contacts on your thoughts and see farther.

If microsoft used a hd-dvd drive it'd be dumb; it'd be like in a year a motherboard manufacturer using electrolytic capacitors when solid state capacitors are cheaper, more readily available, and way more reliable. That would be a horribly dumb decision since not only would the crappy capacitors be more expensive but they'd be less reliable.

You can also rule out any download distribution. At our current rate of growth for broadband the Communications Workers of America union concluded it'd take about 100 years for us to catch up to japan in broadband. Before anyone mentions some sort of but japan is smaller just stfu. That is not an excuse why big cities like LA, NYC, Seattle, Atlanta, etc.. don't have the same services of like tokyo, amsterdam, paris, etc..

[QUOTE="micky4889"][QUOTE="sh0vet"]

It's all about cost my friend. Hd-dvd is no longer being improved on. By the time the next xbox console comes out blue-ray will be so perfected it'll be dirt cheap to manufactuer. You're thinking to close in front of your eyes. You need to put some contacts on your thoughts and see farther.

If microsoft used a hd-dvd drive it'd be dumb; it'd be like in a year a motherboard manufacturer using electrolytic capacitors when solid state capacitors are cheaper, more readily available, and way more reliable. That would be a horribly dumb decision since not only would the crappy capacitors be more expensive but they'd be less reliable.

You can also rule out any download distribution. At our current rate of growth for broadband the Communications Workers of America union concluded it'd take about 100 years for us to catch up to japan in broadband. Before anyone mentions some sort of but japan is smaller just stfu. That is not an excuse why big cities like LA, NYC, Seattle, Atlanta, etc.. don't have the same services of like tokyo, amsterdam, paris, etc..

Captain__Tripps

Read the part that is bolded I thought of that before you even said it.

[QUOTE="Captain__Tripps"][QUOTE="micky4889"] Ya its crazy how far Japan and some parts of mainland Europe are ahead of us in connection speed some of them are getting 1gb+ speeds thats insanesh0vet

Read the part that is bolded I thought of that before you even said it.

Sorry, didn't see that. I don't really know much about Japan, but I imagine much of that is Govenment driven, and I don't really see 100mbit connections as an essential governement service, so whatever. lol

MS is most likely going with DD Dante2710

[QUOTE="sh0vet"]

[QUOTE="Captain__Tripps"] Why does it matter if HD-DVD is dead on a video game system? micky4889

It's all about cost my friend. Hd-dvd is no longer being improved on. By the time the next xbox console comes out blue-ray will be so perfected it'll be dirt cheap to manufactuer. You're thinking to close in front of your eyes. You need to put some contacts on your thoughts and see farther.

If microsoft used a hd-dvd drive it'd be dumb; it'd be like in a year a motherboard manufacturer using electrolytic capacitors when solid state capacitors are cheaper, more readily available, and way more reliable. That would be a horribly dumb decision since not only would the crappy capacitors be more expensive but they'd be less reliable.

You can also rule out any download distribution. At our current rate of growth for broadband the Communications Workers of America union concluded it'd take about 100 years for us to catch up to japan in broadband. Before anyone mentions some sort of but japan is smaller just stfu. That is not an excuse why big cities like LA, NYC, Seattle, Atlanta, etc.. don't have the same services of like tokyo, amsterdam, paris, etc..

[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"][QUOTE="Al3x_n90"]

Idk....the biggest DVDs i've seen in store have 8gigs

Eyezonmii

you can still own a physical copy, you buy the copy and inside you get something (a credit card maybe) that you insert on your console which allows you to download the game maybe? personally that's how i would do it for the casuals or people who don't want to pay using their credit cards

[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"][QUOTE="Al3x_n90"]

Idk....the biggest DVDs i've seen in store have 8gigs

Eyezonmii

[QUOTE="Eyezonmii"][QUOTE="TREAL_Since"] There are some big DVDs, but they take longer to read I think. BR is more logical and there's an overload of space. Next gen would definitely make sense to use BR. MS has their DD agenda though. That's really the sole reason they supported HDDVD in the first place. They don't care for either format. They want to be known for ushering in DD.delta3074

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Eyezonmii"] The day the gaming world go's DD, is the day i quit playing...i want to own physical media with a nice box and cover, srsly hate the idea. Captain__Tripps

[QUOTE="Captain__Tripps"][QUOTE="delta3074"]you speak to hastily my friend, DD like steam has some major advantages, when you download a game from steam, you get a licence to download and play that game for the rest of your life, so when they stop selling the game in a disk format you can still aquire a copy of the game and download and play it whenever you want, if your disk game breaks you have to buy a new one, wit steam you just download it again, i know you guys don't like tha idea of DD and i'm not to keen on it either, but we have reached a point where more people download music and movies than actually go out and buy them, wether we like it or not at some point in the next 10 years DD is the way everyones going, it's the future and it is inevitable.delta3074

[QUOTE="Dante2710"]MS is most likely going with DD Captain__Tripps

They could use a different format to play games. Like a faster version of the DVD that holds as much as a blu-Ray disc. There are aleady people working on discs that hold a 1TB of data using holograms. Anyway they could do that and use XBL for the movies.

The TC's article is speculation there is no proof or quotes from microsoft that they wont use blu ray in the 8th generation.

Some more keypoints.
http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26711682&page=0

Its been posted before so do a search next time, As for that theres a whole lot of DD questions and conversation as well as broadband america vs japan...ect

First point is that DD is totally ready if no one see's that then you need only look at ALL the companies jumping on the DD bandwagon american broadband is simply fast enough for the majority of people to be able to download a game or 2 in a day in the current gen systems without a problem, It saves money on all sides for the users and the companies since they no longer have to pay plants to press discs...ect

The reason Broadband in the US is inferior to japan and europe is because america does not have a comprehensive government infastructure program like japan and european countries have something Obama has talked about in his campaign along with comprehensive road updating and bridge updating plans...ect So expect within the first 2 years of him in office thats what we'll see a more comprehensive installation of the wireing needed for faster speeds.
As well do not talk about europe and its broadband unless you've been there Its uncommon to see unlimited SERVICE plans there I.E you pay for a limited amount of service per month and quite a few ISP's there have very strict download limits a month one guy says his basic net plan has a 20 gig a month limit, My comcast connection is 40 dollars a month for unlimited and 200 gig limit a month....thats alot compared to europe and prices there for an equivilent line of mine would be HUGE in some countries.

But I should reiterate the TC has it wrong no where in the CNET article that he posted does MICROSOFT themselves say any thing about not having bluray next gen.

Just a pointer, Sony would get less than 1p from Microsoft for blu ray.

Blu ray has like 6 Major companys who all invested into the research, and tbh...I dont think they care about if they pay someone else a bit more money.

Sony gets money for using DVD's it was on the original team for the DVD as well.

unless internet speeds get alot quicker and MS is willing to offer a much bigger harddrive digital distribution doesn't seem too likely. i don't see why not by then BD drive speeds will be up and will definetly be worth itRagashahs

http://news.cnet.com/does-the-xbox-720-need-blu-ray-to-succeed/

There's no way Microsoft will install a Blu-ray drive into the Xbox 720, and to be quite honest, I don't think there's any reason for it to do so. The reasons are simple. First, Microsoft doesn't want to pay a competitor--Sony, the key backer behind the Blu-ray Disc Association--to use its format. Second, and perhaps most important, Microsoft realizes that Blu-ray isn't an ideal format, given the fact Blu-ray's chance of success is very much in doubt.