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#1 fryerjackets
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as a hardcore gamer i play a lot of counterstrike, halo 3. legend of zelda. mario etc. but i can't word exactly why i play these hardcore games. would anyone care to make an attempt to sum up why hardcore games are appealing?

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they are fun

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#3 hongkingkong
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You see people talking about it here, you check it out, the reason they are talking about it so much become apparent very quickly. I wouldn't say thats what makes a game hardcore but if you notice the "top ten favorite games evar " threads people always say their favorites are hardcore games like halo 3, fallout, LoZ and they all turn out good if not great.
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#4 Bigboi500
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Gameplay depth.
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They take skill to get good at unlike Wii Play...
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#6 sargentbotk
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The hard difficulty, gameplay depth, and skill. Those are the appeal behind hardcore games.
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Games being fun, and maybe have some depth.
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as a hardcore gamer i play a lot of counterstrike, halo 3. legend of zelda. mario etc. but i can't word exactly why i play these hardcore games. would anyone care to make an attempt to sum up why hardcore games are appealing?

fryerjackets

mario isnt hardcore

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#9 DirtyHorse
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They take skill to get good at unlike Wii Play...Juggernaut140

like warhawk?

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#10 JPOBS
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they entertain me for much longer than casual games. i feel as if i get my moneys worth. and there is a certain sense of progress and accomplishment when playing a hardcore game, casual games are just redundant and pointless.
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#11 proud722
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[QUOTE="fryerjackets"]

as a hardcore gamer i play a lot of counterstrike, halo 3. legend of zelda. mario etc. but i can't word exactly why i play these hardcore games. would anyone care to make an attempt to sum up why hardcore games are appealing?

DirtyHorse

mario isnt hardcore

Go tell sms and smb lost levels that.

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[QUOTE="fryerjackets"]

as a hardcore gamer i play a lot of counterstrike, halo 3. legend of zelda. mario etc. but i can't word exactly why i play these hardcore games. would anyone care to make an attempt to sum up why hardcore games are appealing?

DirtyHorse

mario isnt hardcore

...another day, another false statement.
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[QUOTE="Juggernaut140"]They take skill to get good at unlike Wii Play...DirtyHorse

like warhawk?

I wouldn't know. I haven't played Warhawk

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#14 12345yon
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[QUOTE="fryerjackets"]

as a hardcore gamer i play a lot of counterstrike, halo 3. legend of zelda. mario etc. but i can't word exactly why i play these hardcore games. would anyone care to make an attempt to sum up why hardcore games are appealing?

DirtyHorse

mario isnt hardcore

another day in Fanboy´s Paradise Island

Grab your ticket this holliday at 50% off

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#15 Stonin
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When you are passionate about games and play them enough you just need that extra depth to the gameplay. Casual games are about quick and easy fun but often I want something meatier :).
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as a hardcore gamer i play a lot of counterstrike, halo 3. legend of zelda. mario etc. but i can't word exactly why i play these hardcore games. would anyone care to make an attempt to sum up why hardcore games are appealing?

fryerjackets

The only "Hardocore" game you listed is CS, and why would you create a new account for this?

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#17 proud722
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[QUOTE="fryerjackets"]

as a hardcore gamer i play a lot of counterstrike, halo 3. legend of zelda. mario etc. but i can't word exactly why i play these hardcore games. would anyone care to make an attempt to sum up why hardcore games are appealing?

vash47

The only "Hardocore" game you listed is CS, and why would you create a new account for this?

Are you seriously suggesting halo 3, all the LoZ games and all the mario games are not hardcore?

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[QUOTE="vash47"][QUOTE="fryerjackets"]

as a hardcore gamer i play a lot of counterstrike, halo 3. legend of zelda. mario etc. but i can't word exactly why i play these hardcore games. would anyone care to make an attempt to sum up why hardcore games are appealing?

proud722

The only "Hardocore" game you listed is CS, and why would you create a new account for this?

Are you seriously suggesting halo 3, all the LoZ games and all the mario games are not hardcore?

Halo is the most casual shooter around. It has a hardcore fan base but the game is in no way hardcore.
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Depth and challenge.
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#20 angelkimne
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[QUOTE="proud722"][QUOTE="vash47"][QUOTE="fryerjackets"]

as a hardcore gamer i play a lot of counterstrike, halo 3. legend of zelda. mario etc. but i can't word exactly why i play these hardcore games. would anyone care to make an attempt to sum up why hardcore games are appealing?

Sully28

The only "Hardocore" game you listed is CS, and why would you create a new account for this?

Are you seriously suggesting halo 3, all the LoZ games and all the mario games are not hardcore?

Halo is the most casual shooter around. It has a hardcore fan base but the game is in no way hardcore.

Nice...

It's an opinion. Srsly you can't go around acting like you know everything.

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"harcore" only exists in the minds of people not comfortable with playing any sort of game.
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#22 proud722
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[QUOTE="proud722"][QUOTE="vash47"][QUOTE="fryerjackets"]

as a hardcore gamer i play a lot of counterstrike, halo 3. legend of zelda. mario etc. but i can't word exactly why i play these hardcore games. would anyone care to make an attempt to sum up why hardcore games are appealing?

Sully28

The only "Hardocore" game you listed is CS, and why would you create a new account for this?

Are you seriously suggesting halo 3, all the LoZ games and all the mario games are not hardcore?

Halo is the most casual shooter around. It has a hardcore fan base but the game is in no way hardcore.

Well I suppose it does have alot of casual players being very main stream and all but I donno I thought the campaign made it deserving of being callled hardcore and tbh I'm not even a fan of halo. In some instances quite the opposite.

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#23 thepwninator
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It's the same reason many people prefer chess over Starcraft. It is just far deeper and more thought-provoking.
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#24 proud722
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"harcore" only exists in the minds of people not comfortable with playing any sort of game.Hewkii

Hardcore exists well in the minds of good businessman in the gaming industry, your comment seems quite foolish to me. Just because I refer to a game as hardcore and enjoy playing hardcore titles does that somehow mean or do you somehow think that means I wouldn't buy a casual game and openly praise and enjoy it?

From my experience only wii fanboys have attempted to brush of the existence of the "hardcore" market, like those of us that acknowledge it are some how lesser gamers. Though I'm not necessarily saying your one of them. I mean surely you can see the differences between the type of market a game like peggle has and the type of market a game like fallout 3 has.

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World of warcraft..
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Hardcore exists well in the minds of good businessman in the gaming industry, your comment seems quite foolish to me. Just because I refer to a game as hardcore and enjoy playing hardcore titles does that somehow mean or do you somehow think that means I wouldn't buy a casual game and openly praise and enjoy it?

proud722

define harcore.

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There is usually something to them that keeps you coming back.
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[QUOTE="proud722"][QUOTE="vash47"][QUOTE="fryerjackets"]

as a hardcore gamer i play a lot of counterstrike, halo 3. legend of zelda. mario etc. but i can't word exactly why i play these hardcore games. would anyone care to make an attempt to sum up why hardcore games are appealing?

Sully28

The only "Hardocore" game you listed is CS, and why would you create a new account for this?

Are you seriously suggesting halo 3, all the LoZ games and all the mario games are not hardcore?

Halo is the most casual shooter around. It has a hardcore fan base but the game is in no way hardcore.

is that your FINAL answer?

i'm very sorry... you just LOST £100 :(

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Because 'hardcore' games can be about more than this simple idea of 'fun' that everyone seems to be so attatched to. These are the games that can take on real world issues, they can tell stories and leave you with emotions. They are not simple. They are not just about bashing buttons, in the same way that not all films are about just simply watching.
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#30 proud722
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[QUOTE="proud722"]

Hardcore exists well in the minds of good businessman in the gaming industry, your comment seems quite foolish to me. Just because I refer to a game as hardcore and enjoy playing hardcore titles does that somehow mean or do you somehow think that means I wouldn't buy a casual game and openly praise and enjoy it?

Hewkii

define harcore.

Well imo: In business terms a market that expects certain aspects in a game to be strong in one of or more of some of these particular areas, the depth of the story of the game if it has one, the depth of the gameplay, possible graphical expectations and often getting a certain amount of time out of the game. Essentially casual gamers will have lower expectations in some if not all of these areas.

I suppose the core things here are depth and difficulty though. In gamer terms usually its just a reflection of much you play or just how interested you are.

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Casual games don't engage me in the same way that a "hardcore" game does; you bearly have to pay attention as its game play is not reliant on using your mind or practicing a skill.

My most recent complaint regarding casual orientation was the upcoming Ghostbusters game; health regenerates GOW style, you cannot die only become temporarily incapacitated and you don't have to watch what you do because the financial damage monitor does jack all. A game with zero challenge or risk is boring; you are basically on an interactive conveyor belt until you inevitably complete the game, which would not be a triumph of personal ability but simply a time investment to work through it.

Casual games bore me.

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Because 'hardcore' games can be about more than this simple idea of 'fun' that everyone seems to be so attatched to. These are the games that can take on real world issues, they can tell stories and leave you with emotions. They are not simple. They are not just about bashing buttons, in the same way that not all films are about just simply watching. z_gaming_master

*Starts slow clap*

That is an excellent reply.

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mmm hmmm. depth. one of the words on my list of "words that i wish people would quit saying this gen". right on there with innovation, epic, and intuitive.

now, why do people like hardcore games? because theyre fun. just like non hardcore games.....whatever the hell that means.

now, answer me this. why do people like cinnamon toast crunch?

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Because 'hardcore' games can be about more than this simple idea of 'fun' that everyone seems to be so attatched to. These are the games that can take on real world issues, they can tell stories and leave you with emotions. They are not simple. They are not just about bashing buttons, in the same way that not all films are about just simply watching. z_gaming_master

Excellent post.

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mmm hmmm. depth. one of the words on my list of "words that i wish people would quit saying this gen". right on there with innovation, epic, and intuitive.

now, why do people like hardcore games? because theyre fun. just like non hardcore games.....whatever the hell that means.

now, answer me this. why do people like cinnamon toast crunch?

redmetal86
Because 'hardcore' games can be about more than this simple idea of 'fun' that everyone seems to be so attatched to. These are the games that can take on real world issues, they can tell stories and leave you with emotions. They are not simple. They are not just about bashing buttons, in the same way that not all films are about just simply watching. z_gaming_master
I'll leave you to work out why i quoted those two posts together.
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I'll leave you to work out why i quoted those two posts together.angelkimne

id rather you tell me

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[QUOTE="Juggernaut140"]They take skill to get good at unlike Wii Play...DirtyHorse

like warhawk?

Warhawk most definitely requires skill.

Not many players can dodge one of those groud to air tracking missiles without flairs.

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[QUOTE="Sully28"][QUOTE="proud722"][QUOTE="vash47"][QUOTE="fryerjackets"]

as a hardcore gamer i play a lot of counterstrike, halo 3. legend of zelda. mario etc. but i can't word exactly why i play these hardcore games. would anyone care to make an attempt to sum up why hardcore games are appealing?

angelkimne

The only "Hardocore" game you listed is CS, and why would you create a new account for this?

Are you seriously suggesting halo 3, all the LoZ games and all the mario games are not hardcore?

Halo is the most casual shooter around. It has a hardcore fan base but the game is in no way hardcore.

Nice...

It's an opinion. Srsly you can't go around acting like you know everything.

But what he said it's true, simple as that.

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[QUOTE="DirtyHorse"]

[QUOTE="Juggernaut140"]They take skill to get good at unlike Wii Play...1xcalibur1

like warhawk?

Warhawk most definitely requires skill.

Not many players can dodge one of those groud to air tracking missiles without flairs.

skills??? lol ppl usually go around shooting like morons
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I dont believe that much in the term "Hardcore Games", i'm more of the idea of "Hardcore Gamer", i mean the gamer makes the game.
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Because 'hardcore' games can be about more than this simple idea of 'fun' that everyone seems to be so attatched to. These are the games that can take on real world issues, they can tell stories and leave you with emotions. They are not simple. They are not just about bashing buttons, in the same way that not all films are about just simply watching. z_gaming_master

QFT

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#42 sdu_1111
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A hardcore gamer is one that can seperate the pros from the newbie non gamers

wii fit, any grandma can play it

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Because you get more for your money in terms of depth, heart, and production value.
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[QUOTE="z_gaming_master"]Because 'hardcore' games can be about more than this simple idea of 'fun' that everyone seems to be so attatched to. These are the games that can take on real world issues, they can tell stories and leave you with emotions. They are not simple. They are not just about bashing buttons, in the same way that not all films are about just simply watching. deuce85

QFT

Who wants to play a game that isn't fun.

I don't see many non-fiction documentary games.

I agree games can have compelling, deep storylines, but that by it's self doesn't make a game hardcore.

Hardcore can be something like Pac-man which takes more skill then one would imagain.

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#45 proud722
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[QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="proud722"]

Hardcore exists well in the minds of good businessman in the gaming industry, your comment seems quite foolish to me. Just because I refer to a game as hardcore and enjoy playing hardcore titles does that somehow mean or do you somehow think that means I wouldn't buy a casual game and openly praise and enjoy it?

proud722

define harcore.

Well imo: In business terms a market that expects certain aspects in a game to be strong in one of or more of some of these particular areas, the depth of the story of the game if it has one, the depth of the gameplay, possible graphical expectations and often getting a certain amount of time out of the game. Essentially casual gamers will have lower expectations in some if not all of these areas.

I suppose the core things here are depth and difficulty though. In gamer terms usually its just a reflection of much you play or just how interested you are.

Ah wait I see your point now. Ok so I should add these markets overlap. Now for example lets say I play games like PGR4 and GoW on my Xbox360. Now generally these games are considered hardcore so for any console gaming I do that's the market I stand in. But what if you take into account I own a DS. Now being a handheld your more likely to play casual games as they're more convenient to pick and play, now seeing as the £20 I spent on 42 all time classics I still feel was one of the best £20's I ever spent I'm now in both the casual and hardcore markets. The other way the markets may overlap is if a game reaches critical acclaim. So a casual gamer may end up getting a game like GoW and a hardcore gamer might end up getting a game like boomblox.

Ok maybe you have a point no real gamer can be exclusively casual or hardcore. That would cut them off from a whole pile of games and after all games are what being a gamer is all about. But the same consumer can have multiple needs, for the sake of this example both casual and hardcore needs to simplify it. So when a game developer decides to make a certain type of game they are also deciding which of these needs they are trying to satisfy. So in this way for a games developer to ignore which these of these casual or hardcore needs they are trying to satisfy with any particular game would be rather foolish and for this reason I feel my previous comment "Hardcore exists well in the minds of good businessman in the gaming industry" is still valid. Well that's why I feel that hardcore does exist outside of the minds of those that aren't comfortable with playing any sort of game as you put it.

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#46 angelkimne
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[QUOTE="angelkimne"]

Nice...

It's an opinion. Srsly you can't go around acting like you know everything.

vash47

But what he said it's true, simple as that.

Nice...

It's an opinion. Srsly you can't go around acting like you know everything.

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#47 angelkimne
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[QUOTE="deuce85"]

[QUOTE="z_gaming_master"]Because 'hardcore' games can be about more than this simple idea of 'fun' that everyone seems to be so attatched to. These are the games that can take on real world issues, they can tell stories and leave you with emotions. They are not simple. They are not just about bashing buttons, in the same way that not all films are about just simply watching. GundamGuy0

QFT

Who wants to play a game that isn't fun.

I don't see many non-fiction documentary games.

I agree games can have compelling, deep storylines, but that by it's self doesn't make a game hardcore.

Hardcore can be something like Pac-man which takes more skill then one would imagain.

Pac-Man is hardcore now because it's so old and the people that play it are mainly long time gamers with nostalgia.

When it came out it wasn't hardcore.

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#48 angelkimne
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[QUOTE="angelkimne"]I'll leave you to work out why i quoted those two posts together.redmetal86

id rather you tell me

The top one is your post. And the below post is my reply to it :

mmm hmmm. depth. one of the words on my list of "words that i wish people would quit saying this gen". right on there with innovation, epic, and intuitive.

now, why do people like hardcore games? because theyre fun. just like non hardcore games.....whatever the hell that means.

now, answer me this. why do people like cinnamon toast crunch?

redmetal86
Because 'hardcore' games can be about more than this simple idea of 'fun' that everyone seems to be so attatched to. These are the games that can take on real world issues, they can tell stories and leave you with emotions. They are not simple. They are not just about bashing buttons, in the same way that not all films are about just simply watching. z_gaming_master
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#49 MagnuzGuerra
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There was a time that, if you wanted to play a game, you had to know programming. Imagine how those guys where annoyed by kids playing games on cartridges when the NES came out. After that, there was a time that you had to be good to beat a game. Games were unforgiving and finishing the game was THE achievement. Most games where one hour long, but it was a INTENSE one hour. Now we have cinematic games that you just have to play them for 20+ hours to beat them. You play for hours waiting for the next cinematic to "wow" you. The definition of "hardcore" and "casual" always change. It's a waste of time trying to convince yourself that you are "hardcore" and, as such, have to act like a "hardcore" gamer. Just play the games you like, and let other people play the games they like. There's room for everyone.