What is the greatest Xbox console of all time? (56k) (1 Day Left)

Original Xbox.

I have way more games for the 360, but I had way more fun with the Xbox. Nothing beat Halo CE lan parties, Halo 2's online mp, NFL 2K5, Ninja Gaiden, Kotor, etc.

Renegade_Fury

Lan parties with Halo on the original xbox I agree was more fun than anything I ever got out of the 360

Ninja Gaiden Black - best action game...

moistsandwich

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Ninja Gaiden Black - best action game...

darkspineslayer

I hate to even start this argument, but none of the GoW games are even contenders.  They're fun in their own way, they have amazing production values and they offer some nice variation.  But they dont even begin to compete with the genres best.

Ninja Gaiden Black is in a category of its own.  Its unbelievable how great the game is, 8 years later and I'm still hooked.

However, current NG is terrible.  GoW2 craps on everything that came after NG2.

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Ninja Gaiden Black - best action game...

Wiimotefan

I hate to even start this argument, but none of the GoW games are even contenders.  They're fun in their own way, they have amazing production values and they offer some nice variation.  But they dont even begin to compete with the genres best.

Ninja Gaiden Black is in a category of its own.  Its unbelievable how great the game is, 8 years later and I'm still hooked.

However, current NG is terrible.  GoW2 craps on everything that came after NG2.

I disagree on a lot of that. NG1 Combat is stiff and unreliabledarkspineslayer

... I really dont even know how to respond.  Its some of the most fluid combat in any game created to date and is extremely reliable.  There are literally no errors.  Its as methodical as you can get.  People have gotten through the entire game on the hardest difficulty without getting hit once.  If you find it unreliable then you simply dont know the system well enough... which leads into the camera.

I too had issues with the camera at first.  Once I understood the system I found that the game is built in such a way that you shouldn't even be manually controlling the camera during battle.  Most moves auto-target the closest enemy.  If you press the jump button + light attack you will jump towards the closest enemy.  Ryu even turns his head and the screen pans towards the closest approaching enemy if off screen.  In the few odd instances when I do need camera adjustment I just hit the button that places the camera behind Ryus back.

The camera issue that a lot of people have is largely due to them trying to play the game like other action games rather than playing the game how it was built to be played.  NOT TO SAY THE CAMERA IS PERFECT.  There are indeed instances were it completely fails, but they are so few and far between it doesnt bother me.

[QUOTE="darkspineslayer"]I disagree on a lot of that. NG1 Combat is stiff and unreliableWiimotefan

... I really dont even know how to respond.  Its some of the most fluid combat in any game created to date and is extremely reliable.  There are literally no errors.  Its as methodical as you can get.  People have gotten through the entire game on the hardest difficulty without getting hit once.  If you find it unreliable then you simply dont know the system well enough... which leads into the camera.

I too had issues with the camera at first.  Once I understood the system I found that the game is built in such a way that you shouldn't even be manually controlling the camera during battle.  Most moves auto-target the closest enemy.  If you press the jump button + light attack you will jump towards the closest enemy.  Ryu even turns his head and the screen pans towards the closest approaching enemy if off screen.  In the few odd instances when I do need camera adjustment I just hit the button that places the camera behind Ryus back.

The camera issue that a lot of people have is largely due to them trying to play the game like other action games rather than playing the game how it was built to be played.  NOT TO SAY THE CAMERA IS PERFECT.  There are indeed instances were it completely fails, but they are so few and far between it doesnt bother me.

I like the flow of NG2 combat much better. Sue me.darkspineslayer

Thats fine, you enjoy the feel more.  But it is false to say that NGB is unreliable, or stiff.  Thats all I'm saying.  Its widely considered the best action game of all time and the game has been fully disected by many over the many years its been out.  There is nothing unreliable about it.

Which is odd that you went on to praise NG2 afterwards (excellent game) because NG2 is very cheap and unreliable.  Enemies can auto cancel their moves and just destroy you and its out of the players control.

And excusing a flaw by saying a player doesn't know how to play the game is bullshit. Obviously if I always had full view of the action, I wouldn't feel the need for better camera control. By necessity, God of War had this nailed right up until the chimp they brought on for God of War Ascension took over. If your game has ideal camera angles, and especially if you don't give the player control over them, it's on you to provide the ideal gameplay experience and balance in everything else second. You can't blame the player for "not doing it right".darkspineslayer

I dont see how its bullshit.  If you dont understand how a major aspect of the gameplay works then how is it the games fault that you had a bad experience?  This isnt a flaw in the game, but a lack of knowledge on your part.  I could link to countless videos of people playing the game perfectly with no camera issues whatsoever.

Also this is another funny one regarding NG2 since the camea gets way closer to the action than in NGB and does cause moments that are out of the players control.  It seems you managed to get the hang of the gameplay in NG2, maybe you should check out NGB/NGS again, I bet you'll have a change of heart.

I'm grateful they didnt use a camera like GoW.  It takes you right out of the action and makes the battles much less visceral and exciting.  Also unlike GoW, you really have to read the enemies movements in NG and timing is much more precise.  With such a panned back and often limited angle view, that aspect of the game would really suffer.

[QUOTE="darkspineslayer"]I like the flow of NG2 combat much better. Sue me.Wiimotefan

Thats fine, you enjoy the feel more.  But it is false to say that NGB is unreliable, or stiff.  Thats all I'm saying.  Its widely considered the best action game of all time and the game has been fully disected by many over the many years its been out.  There is nothing unreliable about it.

Which is odd that you went on to praise NG2 afterwards (excellent game) because NG2 is very cheap and unreliable.  Enemies can auto cancel their moves and just destroy you and its out of the players control.

And excusing a flaw by saying a player doesn't know how to play the game is bullshit. Obviously if I always had full view of the action, I wouldn't feel the need for better camera control. By necessity, God of War had this nailed right up until the chimp they brought on for God of War Ascension took over. If your game has ideal camera angles, and especially if you don't give the player control over them, it's on you to provide the ideal gameplay experience and balance in everything else second. You can't blame the player for "not doing it right".darkspineslayer

I dont see how its bullshit.  If you dont understand how a major aspect of the gameplay works then how is it the games fault that you had a bad experience?  This isnt a flaw in the game, but a lack of knowledge on your part.  I could link to countless videos of people playing the game perfectly with no camera issues whatsoever.

Also this is another funny one regarding NG2 since the camea gets way closer to the action than in NGB and does cause moments that are out of the players control.  It seems you managed to get the hang of the gameplay in NG2, maybe you should check out NGB/NGS again, I bet you'll have a change of heart.

I'm grateful they didnt use a camera like GoW.  It takes you right out of the action and makes the battles much less visceral and exciting.  Also unlike GoW, you really have to read the enemies movements in NG and timing is much more precise.  With such a panned back and often limited angle view, that aspect of the game would really suffer.

I loved the original.  Lan parties, online that stomped other consoles and games to make use of it, noticeably better graphics, better multiplats, a few killer exclusives.  It was a great console and I got a lot of use out of it.  It really stood out from the pack.

Oh and for this Ninja Gaiden camera talk, I think this guy nailed it.  I couldn't find the full article but this sums it up.

http://n4g.com/news/149630/ninja-gaiden-2-you-cant-handle-the-camera#c-1128513

I never had issues with the camera after my first play but I know a lot of people do.  I think this guy really says it best.

So much Xbox hate. Are cows really that insecure that they troll the Xbox in literally every single thread that is made about it on System Wars?charizard1605

To a frail, Self-esteemed person... your words, truly, cut deeper than any blade... You know that, Charizard...?

[spoiler] Nah, I'm totally just kidding. You're probably right anyway. [/spoiler]

Only got the 360 so cannot really comment on the Xbox but at the time I wasnt interested in the system since PS2 was simply a 100x better..

However the 360 is a great console !!

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]So much Xbox hate. Are cows really that insecure that they troll the Xbox in literally every single thread that is made about it on System Wars?Trail_Mix

To a frail, Self-esteemed person... your words, truly, cut deeper than any blade... You know that, Charizard...?

[spoiler] Nah, I'm totally just kidding. You're probably right anyway. [/spoiler]

I used to slit my wrists every time he would post, but now I'm fresh out of wrist.

I don't know if I should thank him or if I should seek revenge through voodoo dolls.

Xbox 360

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"]So much Xbox hate. Are cows really that insecure that they troll the Xbox in literally every single thread that is made about it on System Wars?ConanTheStoner

To a frail, Self-esteemed person... your words, truly, cut deeper than any blade... You know that, Charizard...?

[spoiler] Nah, I'm totally just kidding. You're probably right anyway. [/spoiler]

I used to slit my wrists every time he would post, but now I'm fresh out of wrist.

I don't know if I should thank him or if I should seek revenge through voodoo dolls.

Let us continue easing our pain... together.

[QUOTE="ConanTheStoner"]

[QUOTE="Trail_Mix"]

To a frail, Self-esteemed person... your words, truly, cut deeper than any blade... You know that, Charizard...?

 

[spoiler] Nah, I'm totally just kidding. You're probably right anyway. [/spoiler]

Trail_Mix

I used to slit my wrists every time he would post, but now I'm fresh out of wrist.

I don't know if I should thank him or if I should seek revenge through voodoo dolls.

Let us continue easing our pain... together.

Forever.

[spoiler] [/spoiler]

[QUOTE="AD216"]

it's a wash in my opinion because the old school box had a great great library and was probably out before its time the way it came with it's monster graphics (at the time). the 360 revolutionized the way we play. **xbl has been a massive state of the arts online service since basically it's inception.

moistsandwich

** for consoles

Both consoles were good, hardware and features wise, but 360 library of games is simply massive!

So much Xbox hate. Are cows really that insecure that they troll the Xbox in literally every single thread that is made about it on System Wars?charizard1605

Yes...of course.

Honestly,  as much as I continue to adore that masterpiece that is the original xbox,  the 360 was their game changer.  Its one of my favorite consoles of all time. 

TheEroica

The Xbox has some more noteworthy exclusives in terms of heavy hitters: Specifically the first two Halo games and Ninja Gaiden Black(one of my favorite games of all time). But the 360's library just has more depth and variety to it. Plus you have all the stuff that came out on XBLA as well as the indie game stuff that came out of XNA before Microsoft botched that up. Plus the 360's lineup of exclusives has some gems(Viva Pinata, Nuts and Bolts, PGR 4) in between some legit really good stuff like Gears of War, Forza 3, and the like. jg4xchamp

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Honestly,  as much as I continue to adore that masterpiece that is the original xbox,  the 360 was their game changer.  Its one of my favorite consoles of all time. 

CJ_ofCamelot

[QUOTE="TheEroica"]

Honestly,  as much as I continue to adore that masterpiece that is the original xbox,  the 360 was their game changer.  Its one of my favorite consoles of all time. 

CJ_ofCamelot

:lol:

I wonder.  Do cows and lems not see the hilarity of arguing over that?  Two systems battling it out to avoid last place.  They are basically tied, there is no shut out.  Its like arguing over scraps.

Would you say the Wii is the best since it had the lead all gen?  And I mean a real lead, not the petty numbers you guys cling to.

I loved the sturdiness of the original Xbox and it had a neat range of quality games, I replaced it for black Gamecube though :) But 360 gave me more pleasure than the original Xbox so 360 for me.

OG Xbox.  It had its own identity unlike the 360 riding the coat tails of the PC/PS3 master combo.

[QUOTE="TheEroica"]

Honestly,  as much as I continue to adore that masterpiece that is the original xbox,  the 360 was their game changer.  Its one of my favorite consoles of all time. 

CJ_ofCamelot

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Ninja Gaiden Black - best action game...

darkspineslayer

So much Xbox hate. Are cows really that insecure that they troll the Xbox in literally every single thread that is made about it on System Wars?charizard1605

[QUOTE="CJ_ofCamelot"][QUOTE="TheEroica"]

Honestly,  as much as I continue to adore that masterpiece that is the original xbox,  the 360 was their game changer.  Its one of my favorite consoles of all time. 

I loved my Xbox.Loves my Xbox 360 better.Going to fall in love with Xbox One.:P.

Xbox 360. Although it RRoD'd on me in December, I still spent sooo many hours with Halo 3/Reach and Fable 2. Tis ashame it fell from it's glory after Kinect came out.

. Ninja Gaiden 2 sucked. . Ninja-Hippo

Anyone that doesn't say the original xbox never experienced it's epic multiplayer: PGR 2 Halo 2 Crimon skies Mech assault 1 + 2 Ghost recon Splinter cell Rainbow six Phantom Dust Links 2004 RTCW Conker Live and Reloaded Forza 1 Unreal championship 1 + 2 Counterstrike 1.6 Halo 2 is the best live game I've ever played and was way ahead of it's timeXxR3m1xInHDn3D

BEST GAME EVA!!!!

Man, the days of playing Ninja Gaiden Black and Halo 2 online.... felt like gaming hit a whole new level of awesome. Hasn't even come close, since. Ninja Gaiden 2 sucked. Ninja Gaiden 3 does not exist. Halo 3 was great but not as good, ODST, Reach and 4 were all great but equally disappointing in different aspects. I blame Call of Duty for most of this generation's relentless sucking. Ninja-Hippo

The OG Xbox was better but why are there a ton of multiplats on both those lists?

ShadowHawk676

[QUOTE="locopatho"]360. [QUOTE="ShadowHawk676"]

The OG Xbox was better but why are there a ton of multiplats on both those lists?

Rayne718

The OG Xbox was better but why are there a ton of multiplats on both those lists?

ShadowHawk676

Original Xbox for me. Too many memories.

I think we could count the Atari Jaguar and the older Ataris as the un-official predecessors of the Xbox line, to make things more interesting. ;)

That is, unless that is being saved for another thread.

So much Xbox hate. Are cows really that insecure that they troll the Xbox in literally every single thread that is made about it on System Wars?charizard1605

They are probably mad that Xbox 1 had much better graphics than PS2 and that the 360 ran circles around the PS3 for the first few years. ;)