What is the Point? (the direction Nintendo is taking)

why the h**k did they have to "widen the market" when nintendo expanded the market the quality of their games went obviously went deep down, with a majority of casuals that  participate in the gaming market without knowledge about games, it comes as no surprise why they direct the market, I mean it's not only that there are lots of them but the fact they are easy to satisfy with low budget games with those kind of guys directing the offer is obvious why Wii doesn't get good games.

I know the objective of any company is to make money and in the end to stay alive I understand the only way Nintendo could make profit, because it didn't had the economic resources the competence had, was to create a new market, but the new guys that joined the market have a lot less demands the olders have and they are driving N games to ruin, couldn't Nintendo just fade away with dignity like Sega did (and that it retains till today even when they have ruined their main franchise) , what is the point of a system with almost no third party games?, what's the point of that?, doesn't anyone realise that if they just become software devs we shouldn't have to get a wii just to play Zelda? and even so first party games aren't as good as they used to be and don't really justify getting a Wii, they are being recicled over and over again and there doesn't seem to be a point on continuing I mean if you just make an Ocarina of Time with good graphics you get a game that not only hasn't got anything to envy TP but it is 100 times better. 

It amkes me sad to see Nintendo in such state, I hope the Wii was just a temporary solution to the impossibility to compete, I don't have any doubt that they will continue to develop casual games as I didn't had when I got it, but I thought they would continue to make quality titles along them but they haven't, I'm sad to say it but I hope they have to stick to software so I get to play their games in the future in a PS or an Xbox

I agree. Expanding the market the way Sony did the last two gens is the way to do it, imo. Who cares if the size of the market grows if all the new gamers want to play are mini game collections?

You talk about Nintendo's own games dropping in quality but games they've put out for Wii like Mario Kart, Mario Galaxy, Brawl, Twilight Princess and Wii Sports are some of the best games ever. You live in some alternate reality mate.RABicle

TC. I'm not reading your post until you decide to use punctuation, but in response to your topic title.

All industries need to expand.  Without a fresh flow of new consumers, any industry will collapse.  Nintendo has taken the path that they're on because there is a large untapped market, and within that market there is potential for not just expansion, but for growth of the core market.  

Also, has Nintendo's quality really gone down at all?  3rd parties may be making cash-ins, but that has always happened.  Nintendo themself are still working hard. 

The new casuals aren't stupid. Meanwhile I could look at a certain other console's top ten chart and see an ABBA karaoke game in the same slot as Mario.RABicle

Stick with Sony and Microsoft for better games and gaming platforms. Let Nintendo make their money while people figure out what games suck after an entire generation of them. The nostalgia will wear off in a generation.

Casuals will get jaded and realize there is more to gaming than "Carnival Games Party 17". 

Stick with Sony and Microsoft for better games and gaming platforms. Let Nintendo make their money while people figure out what games suck after an entire generation of them. The nostalgia will wear off in a generation.

Casuals will get jaded and realize there is more to gaming than "Carnival Games Party 17". 

SemiMaster

Stick with Sony and Microsoft for better games and gaming platforms. Let Nintendo make their money while people figure out what games suck after an entire generation of them. The nostalgia will wear off in a generation.

Casuals will get jaded and realize there is more to gaming than "Carnival Games Party 17". 

SemiMaster

[QUOTE="SemiMaster"]

Stick with Sony and Microsoft for better games and gaming platforms. Let Nintendo make their money while people figure out what games suck after an entire generation of them. The nostalgia will wear off in a generation.

Casuals will get jaded and realize there is more to gaming than "Carnival Games Party 17".

Rahnyc4

Wiggle waggle with last generation technology does not = innovation if that's what you're getting at. 

Nintendo did what needed to be done in order to survive. There's a few economic strategies that explain what they did and why (The new president of NOA indeed brought some fresh air at Nintendo's), but this is not the point, here.

Unfortunately, there's consequences for "traditional" gamers. Nintendo's focus is now on the casual gamer, like it or not. Besides making games a core gamer will likely not be attracted to, they will keep milking the old franchises (let's be honest, ok?), and that will be done thinking of the "new customer."

I am sorry for Nintendo loyals and lifetime supporters, but your support to Nintendo is not enough for the company to thrive. They were close to being put out of the market during the last 2 generations, and have now found gold.

I think M$ and $ony have learnt Nintendo's lesson, and I'm afraid we will not like the future systems as the old ones. I guess we'll all become hermits, ten years from now...

Nintendo did what needed to be done in order to survive. There's a few economic strategies that explain what they did and why (The new president of NOA indeed brought some fresh air at Nintendo's), but this is not the point, here.

Unfortunately, there's consequences for "traditional" gamers. Nintendo's focus is now on the casual gamer, like it or not. Besides making games a core gamer will likely not be attracted to, they will keep milking the old franchises (let's be honest, ok?), and that will be done thinking of the "new customer."

I am sorry for Nintendo loyals and lifetime supporters, but your support to Nintendo is not enough for the company to thrive. They were close to being put out of the market during the last 2 generations, and have now found gold.

I think M$ and $ony have learnt Nintendo's lesson, and I'm afraid we will not like the future systems as the old ones. I guess we'll all become hermits, ten years from now...

siafni

[QUOTE="Rahnyc4"][QUOTE="SemiMaster"]

Stick with Sony and Microsoft for better games and gaming platforms. Let Nintendo make their money while people figure out what games suck after an entire generation of them. The nostalgia will wear off in a generation.

Casuals will get jaded and realize there is more to gaming than "Carnival Games Party 17".

SemiMaster

Wiggle waggle with last generation technology does not = innovation if that's what you're getting at.

[QUOTE="SemiMaster"][QUOTE="Rahnyc4"]why should he stick with 2 companies thats clones of them selves? Rahnyc4

Wiggle waggle with last generation technology does not = innovation if that's what you're getting at.

Why don't you read the bolded point and figure out why what you said hurt your arguement more than it helped it...

Don't want to? Tired game genres = Mario, Zelda, Metroid etc... Disguising Wiggle Waggle as another button = fail.

Don't fix what ain't broken.

[QUOTE="siafni"]

Nintendo did what needed to be done in order to survive. There's a few economic strategies that explain what they did and why (The new president of NOA indeed brought some fresh air at Nintendo's), but this is not the point, here.

Unfortunately, there's consequences for "traditional" gamers. Nintendo's focus is now on the casual gamer, like it or not. Besides making games a core gamer will likely not be attracted to, they will keep milking the old franchises (let's be honest, ok?), and that will be done thinking of the "new customer."

I am sorry for Nintendo loyals and lifetime supporters, but your support to Nintendo is not enough for the company to thrive. They were close to being put out of the market during the last 2 generations, and have now found gold.

I think M$ and $ony have learnt Nintendo's lesson, and I'm afraid we will not like the future systems as the old ones. I guess we'll all become hermits, ten years from now...

SemiMaster

[QUOTE="Rahnyc4"][QUOTE="SemiMaster"]

Wiggle waggle with last generation technology does not = innovation if that's what you're getting at.

SemiMaster

Why don't you read the bolded point and figure out why what you said hurt your arguement more than it helped it...

Don't want to? Tired game genres = Mario, Zelda, Metroid etc... Disguising Wiggle Waggle as another button = fail.

Don't fix what ain't broken.

That money money yeah yeah that money money yeah yeah

[QUOTE="SemiMaster"][QUOTE="Rahnyc4"] oh yeah a new way of playing tired game genres is a bad thing, i feel you. that wiggle waggle is owning your high definition systems, so it cant be bad. maybe next gen nintendo will buy sony and microsoft, so they can actually come up with new ideas. Rahnyc4

Why don't you read the bolded point and figure out why what you said hurt your arguement more than it helped it...

Don't want to? Tired game genres = Mario, Zelda, Metroid etc... Disguising Wiggle Waggle as another button = fail.

Don't fix what ain't broken.

It's not gaming, it's a gimmick.SemiMaster

You talk about Nintendo's own games dropping in quality but games they've put out for Wii like Mario Kart, Mario Galaxy, Brawl, Twilight Princess and Wii Sports are some of the best games ever. You live in some alternate reality mate.RABicle

[QUOTE="SemiMaster"]It's not gaming, it's a gimmick.BumFluff122

[QUOTE="SemiMaster"]It's not gaming, it's a gimmick.BumFluff122

Nintendo's casual stage is now over, Wii Music was the last Nintendo casual game to be released by first party. The next batch of Nintendo games will start to move up the sophistication stage. Bashers act like the Wii has ZERO good games and we all know that is just stupidity. 2009 is almost here folks.

If you really want to know what Nintendo is doing, educate yourselves by doing some research. If not then continue trolling about Nintendo on game forums as you are.

"and even so first party games aren't as good as they used to be"

looks like someone didn't play SMG.

That easily ranks up among nintendo's best classics.

Expanding the market=good
devloping bad games=bad
druggyjoe3000

indeed sir!

I like what the wii is trying to do, but making every game casual focused and waggle-tastic is a mistake. Wii music isn't a good game, its not that its just a casual game, its just not a good game. the same is true for alot of these 'casual' games. i guarentee it, in nintendo puts out softwear that is freindly to the wider market but still actually GOOD they will reap more benfits than just selling crap to idiots.

third party is woeful, which is odd for the leading console, but they HAVE widened the market. now nintendo, PLEASE show all those cauals what a real game is. bowl us gamers and cauals over alike, don't just rehash your previous titles with gimmicky control or, in the case of mario kart wii, sacrifice the depth and level of skill you can achive for over simplified gameplay.

you talk about innovation so INNOVATE!

"and even so first party games aren't as good as they used to be"

looks like someone didn't play SMG.

That easily ranks up among nintendo's best classics.

Stick with Sony and Microsoft for better games and gaming platforms. Let Nintendo make their money while people figure out what games suck after an entire generation of them. The nostalgia will wear off in a generation.

Casuals will get jaded and realize there is more to gaming than "Carnival Games Party 17".

SemiMaster

[QUOTE="Lisandro_v22"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

"and even so first party games aren't as good as they used to be"

looks like someone didn't play SMG.

That easily ranks up among nintendo's best classics.

Shinobishyguy

"and even so first party games aren't as good as they used to be"

looks like someone didn't play SMG.

That easily ranks up among nintendo's best classics.

why the h**k did they have to "widen the market" when nintendo expanded the market the quality of their games went obviously went deep down, with a majority of casuals that participate in the gaming market without knowledge about games, it comes as no surprise why they direct the market, I mean it's not only that there are lots of them but the fact they are easy to satisfy with low budget games with those kind of guys directing the offer is obvious why Wii doesn't get good games.

I know the objective of any company is to make money and in the end to stay alive I understand the only way Nintendo could make profit, because it didn't had the economic resources the competence had, was to create a new market, but the new guys that joined the market have a lot less demands the olders have and they are driving N games to ruin, couldn't Nintendo just fade away with dignity like Sega did (and that it retains till today even when they have ruined their main franchise) , what is the point of a system with almost no third party games?, what's the point of that?, doesn't anyone realise that if they just become software devs we shouldn't have to get a wii just to play Zelda? and even so first party games aren't as good as they used to be and don't really justify getting a Wii, they are being recicled over and over again and there doesn't seem to be a point on continuing I mean if you just make an Ocarina of Time with good graphics you get a game that not only hasn't got anything to envy TP but it is 100 times better.

It amkes me sad to see Nintendo in such state, I hope the Wii was just a temporary solution to the impossibility to compete, I don't have any doubt that they will continue to develop casual games as I didn't had when I got it, but I thought they would continue to make quality titles along them but they haven't, I'm sad to say it but I hope they have to stick to software so I get to play their games in the future in a PS or an Xbox

Nintendo aren't out of touch - they just aren't making games that you want to play - fine don't play them then.

However, the 40million wii-sports players out there are all fairly happy bowling their balls or swinging their rackets.

So lets review that again, 40million Wii Sports vs 8.5million Halo 3s.

And you wonder why they are making Wii Sports Resort?

I think it's the 3rd party devs you really need to blame and they are slowly coming onboard but lets face it you are never going to get Gears of War on the Wii.

But we will get Madworld and hopefully many other games that bring a touch of different style to the board.

Phil

The point is maybe you've outgron Nintendo and it's time for the next generation to enjoy playing videogames on the same level you did when you were young or naive about games sorry if this post seems sentimental, but I still rememeber having so much fun when I had a Snes....but now my tastes have changed. Everyone gets this point right?AdmiralBison

That's a great point well made!!!

[QUOTE="RABicle"]You talk about Nintendo's own games dropping in quality but games they've put out for Wii like Mario Kart, Mario Galaxy, Brawl, Twilight Princess and Wii Sports are some of the best games ever. You live in some alternate reality mate.Jandurin