WHAT IS WRONG with Microsoft!!??!!

We ALREADY pay $50 a year for Xbox Live, and THIS is what we get!!!

• Epic games is trying to release their new downloadable content for Gears of War for free because they support their customers, but Microsoft isn't letting this happen. They're forcing Epic to charge money for the maps they want free because they want customers to get used to the business model of paying for items on the marketplace.
• This was a while back, but they almost put in consumables, where you pay for things in the game with real money(temporary things). They talked about how customers who wanted to pay money like this could finally enjoy it. I'm sorry, but no one enjoys paying like this and it doesn't benefit the customer.
  
• We also have to pay $140 to fix the Xbox 360s that are messing up, and before they made us pay for shipping! Luckily they recently fixed this, probably because of all the complaints.

Microsoft is not doing ANYTHING that benefits the customer. Forcing people to pay for stuff that should be free? I think Microsoft is going WAY TOO FAR, they're becoming like what Sony was. Sony's online service doesn't compare with Xbox Live, but the fact that it's free makes it look a lot better than what Microsoft is doing!

I demand a link to an ACURATE SORCE.

I demand a link to an ACURATE SORCE.

Killer2401

I'm President and CEO of a successful web advertising company. If I gave everything away for FREE, I'll be broke and my company won't be able to expand or grow. So, from a business stand point, MS is doing the right thing. 

I'm President and CEO of a successful web advertising company. If I gave everything away for FREE, I'll be broke and my company won't be able to expand or grow. So, from a business stand point, MS is doing the right thing. 

dapmediainc

MS will be broke? richest company in the world hmm..

[QUOTE="dapmediainc"]

I'm President and CEO of a successful web advertising company. If I gave everything away for FREE, I'll be broke and my company won't be able to expand or grow. So, from a business stand point, MS is doing the right thing.

def_mode

MS will be broke? richest company in the world hmm..

[QUOTE="def_mode"][QUOTE="dapmediainc"]

I'm President and CEO of a successful web advertising company. If I gave everything away for FREE, I'll be broke and my company won't be able to expand or grow. So, from a business stand point, MS is doing the right thing.

strahd01

MS will be broke? richest company in the world hmm..

for milking?

[QUOTE="strahd01"][QUOTE="def_mode"][QUOTE="dapmediainc"]

I'm President and CEO of a successful web advertising company. If I gave everything away for FREE, I'll be broke and my company won't be able to expand or grow. So, from a business stand point, MS is doing the right thing.

def_mode

MS will be broke? richest company in the world hmm..

for milking?

Hey where are all the lems that were more than happy to pay for a superior service.  I guess they will be more than happy to pay again and again.  The $50 bux should cover things like this.  If they want to add an expansion and charge for it thats cool but a few maps shouldn't be charged for at all.

Hey where are all the lems that were more than happy to pay for a superior service. I guess they will be more than happy to pay again and again. The $50 bux should cover things like this. If they want to add an expansion and charge for it thats cool but a few maps shouldn't be charged for at all.

iwo4life

nothing is wrong with MS, they are a damn company they require money

AND A TOPIC LIK THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN POSTED WITH A MUCH CLEARER TITLE, SEARCH BEFORE YOU POSTsupermechakirby

wow so its good for a M$ to charge money for some thing that the devs want to give out for free?

only M$ gets support even lemmings getting milked, if cows/sheep does it then its PWN TCHBO TSHBO...

the logic in this forum is killing me! OMG THE LOGIC!

[QUOTE="supermechakirby"]nothing is wrong with MS, they are a damn company they require money

AND A TOPIC LIK THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN POSTED WITH A MUCH CLEARER TITLE, SEARCH BEFORE YOU POSTNgon

wow so its good for a M$ to charge money for some thing that the devs want to give out for free?

only M$ gets support even lemmings getting milked, if cows/sheep does it then its PWN TCHBO TSHBO...

the logic in this forum is killing me! OMG THE LOGIC!

The video game industry isnt a big money maker. wasn't it epic that even said that they made Unreal Mulit-Console because of piracy? I wish we lived in the Star Trek Universe where everything was free but you know what we don't and when people (like sony) try to make a free service it sucks. Money keeps everything working excellent and if epic charged for maps, that would is more money they can pour into GeoW 2 and maybe it will be a longer and stronger story line because they have the money to do it.

Every thought of that?

[QUOTE="iwo4life"]

Hey where are all the lems that were more than happy to pay for a superior service. I guess they will be more than happy to pay again and again. The $50 bux should cover things like this. If they want to add an expansion and charge for it thats cool but a few maps shouldn't be charged for at all.

strahd01

I consider the annual XBL fee cheap considering I get to play every game I buy this year on it for that one fee.

WHATS KILLING ME RIGHT NOW IS WORLD OF WAR CRAFT BURNING CRUSADES AND MY PRE-ORDER YEARLY FEE FOR LOTR ONLINE TOTALING

LOTR ONLINE-$9.99 a month or $199.00 for LIFETIME

WOW-$13.99 a month

SO I'm dishing out $24.00 a month for just 2 games...Damn you MMORPG, why are you so addictive!!

The maps may become free over time. Plus the elite is an OPTION, it's not the system to get!

I don't understand why any consumer would/should pay money for a broken 360 when it's not the consumers fault. Can't believe they'd ask so much money for it.. That's like half its price. I don't see how it could cost them that much to fix it even, especially if You pay the shipment on top.

The other stuff doesn't bother me one bit. 

WHATS KILLING ME RIGHT NOW IS WORLD OF WAR CRAFT BURNING CRUSADES AND MY PRE-ORDER YEARLY FEE FOR LOTR ONLINE TOTALING LOTR ONLINE-$9.99 a month or $199.00 for LIFETIME

WOW-$13.99 a month

SO I'm dishing out $24.00 a month for just 2 games...Damn you MMORPG, why are you so addictive!!

RickJame-s

I don't understand why any consumer would/should pay money for a broken 360 when it's not the consumers fault. Can't believe they'd ask so much money for it.. That's like half its price. I don't see how it could cost them that much to fix it even, especially if You pay the shipment on top.

The other stuff doesn't bother me one bit. KungfuKitten

I'm President and CEO of a successful web advertising company. If I gave everything away for FREE, I'll be broke and my company won't be able to expand or grow. So, from a business stand point, MS is doing the right thing. 

dapmediainc

We ALREADY pay $50 a year for Xbox Live, and THIS is what we get!!!

• Epic games is trying to release their new downloadable content for Gears of War for free because they support their customers, but Microsoft isn't letting this happen. They're forcing Epic to charge money for the maps they want free because they want customers to get used to the business model of paying for items on the marketplace.
• This was a while back, but they almost put in consumables, where you pay for things in the game with real money(temporary things). They talked about how customers who wanted to pay money like this could finally enjoy it. I'm sorry, but no one enjoys paying like this and it doesn't benefit the customer.
  
• We also have to pay $140 to fix the Xbox 360s that are messing up, and before they made us pay for shipping! Luckily they recently fixed this, probably because of all the complaints.

Microsoft is not doing ANYTHING that benefits the customer. Forcing people to pay for stuff that should be free? I think Microsoft is going WAY TOO FAR, they're becoming like what Sony was. Sony's online service doesn't compare with Xbox Live, but the fact that it's free makes it look a lot better than what Microsoft is doing!

RyuHayabusaX

I'm President and CEO of a successful web advertising company. If I gave everything away for FREE, I'll be broke and my company won't be able to expand or grow. So, from a business stand point, MS is doing the right thing. 

dapmediainc

That is just BS man and u know it. I own a ps3 and an xbox 360 and I would understand something like this coming from MS if xbox live was free, but we pay for this, and I think maps and stuff like that should be free since we already pay for our online benefits.

As for the ps3 I would understand if devs wanted to charge us 5 bux for a map pack then I would understand since we aint paying to play online on there servers, it only makes more sense, but in MS is case, we shouldnt have to pay crap for the new maps since we already pay them for xbox live gold, dat should be there way of showing us consumers there appreciation of buying the games on there console and paying for there xbox live gold services. MS is just milking us consumers and u all know it, but fanboys will always come to the rescue.

Epic games is trying to release their new downloadable content for Gears of War for free because they support their customers, but Microsoft isn't letting this happen. They're forcing Epic to charge money for the maps they want free because they want customers to get used to the business model of paying for items on the marketplace.RyuHayabusaX

[QUOTE="dapmediainc"]

I'm President and CEO of a successful web advertising company. If I gave everything away for FREE, I'll be broke and my company won't be able to expand or grow. So, from a business stand point, MS is doing the right thing. 

squallff8_fan

That is just BS man and u know it. I own a ps3 and an xbox 360 and I would understand something like this coming from MS if xbox live was free, but we pay for this, and I think maps and stuff like that should be free since we already pay for our online benefits.

As for the ps3 I would understand if devs wanted to charge us 5 bux for a map pack then I would understand since we aint paying to play online on there servers, it only makes more sense, but in MS is case, we shouldnt have to pay crap for the new maps since we already pay them for xbox live gold, dat should be there way of showing us consumers there appreciation of buying the games on there console and paying for there xbox live gold services. MS is just milking us consumers and u all know it, but fanboys will always come to the rescue.

[QUOTE="dapmediainc"]

I'm President and CEO of a successful web advertising company. If I gave everything away for FREE, I'll be broke and my company won't be able to expand or grow. So, from a business stand point, MS is doing the right thing. 

squallff8_fan

That is just BS man and u know it. I own a ps3 and an xbox 360 and I would understand something like this coming from MS if xbox live was free, but we pay for this, and I think maps and stuff like that should be free since we already pay for our online benefits.

As for the ps3 I would understand if devs wanted to charge us 5 bux for a map pack then I would understand since we aint paying to play online on there servers, it only makes more sense, but in MS is case, we shouldnt have to pay crap for the new maps since we already pay them for xbox live gold, dat should be there way of showing us consumers there appreciation of buying the games on there console and paying for there xbox live gold services. MS is just milking us consumers and u all know it, but fanboys will always come to the rescue.

Microsoft is a well establish company and many people believe that since you are on top, you need to give back to your consumers. Well, I believe that is right.  MS has provided and has given back that to us. Look at all the different innovations MS has brought us.  MS has showed young entrepreneur like me a great business model, a plan for the future and it looks very promising.

Bill & Melinda Gates, I believe has donated more money than Sony and Nintendo combine.  People have all every right to bash, Rant and rave about their likes and dislikes. No one is forcing you to buy the maps, it your choice. Hell, I brought a GPS system for my wife car and notice that when there a new map out, I have to pay $79.00 everything. $79.00, I think it's a little excessive coming from a consumer stand point. But looking at it from a business stand point, It's the right thing to do.  That money will have to pay for that developing time, Utility usage, payroll ect.

It's very hard to juggle the fine line between the consumer and business practices.  I can see why every might be upset that one company wants to charge a fee when the other don't. Well as a consumer, I side with you, but as a business owner, that's where I stand on the other side.

PS. I have not paid for any Gears Of War maps, It's been all free.

Dale Prescod

President/CEO

Dapmedia

[QUOTE="squallff8_fan"][QUOTE="dapmediainc"]

I'm President and CEO of a successful web advertising company. If I gave everything away for FREE, I'll be broke and my company won't be able to expand or grow. So, from a business stand point, MS is doing the right thing. 

dapmediainc

That is just BS man and u know it. I own a ps3 and an xbox 360 and I would understand something like this coming from MS if xbox live was free, but we pay for this, and I think maps and stuff like that should be free since we already pay for our online benefits.

As for the ps3 I would understand if devs wanted to charge us 5 bux for a map pack then I would understand since we aint paying to play online on there servers, it only makes more sense, but in MS is case, we shouldnt have to pay crap for the new maps since we already pay them for xbox live gold, dat should be there way of showing us consumers there appreciation of buying the games on there console and paying for there xbox live gold services. MS is just milking us consumers and u all know it, but fanboys will always come to the rescue.

Microsoft is a well establish company and many people believe that since you are on top, you need to give back to your consumers. Well, I believe that is right.  MS has provided and has given back that to us. Look at all the different innovations MS has brought us.  MS has showed young entrepreneur like me a great business model, a plan for the future and it looks very promising.

Bill & Melinda Gates, I believe has donated more money than Sony and Nintendo combine.  People have all every right to bash, Rant and rave about their likes and dislikes. No one is forcing you to buy the maps, it your choice. Hell, I brought a GPS system for my wife car and notice that when there a new map out, I have to pay $79.00 everything. $79.00, I think it's a little excessive coming from a consumer stand point. But looking at it from a business stand point, It's the right thing to do.  That money will have to pay for that developing time, Utility usage, payroll ect.

It's very hard to juggle the fine line between the consumer and business practices.  I can see why every might be upset that one company wants to charge a fee when the other don't. Well as a consumer, I side with you, but as a business owner, that's where I stand on the other side.

PS. I have not paid for any Gears Of War maps, It's been all free.

Dale Prescod

President/CEO

Dapmedia

I'm President and CEO of a successful web advertising company. If I gave everything away for FREE, I'll be broke and my company won't be able to expand or grow. So, from a business stand point, MS is doing the right thing.

dapmediainc

MS isn't giving anything away for free, the Developer is. This is what people are not understanding. MS makes their money from a piece of the software sale, and eventually their hardware when the parts become cheap enough. It's should be a developer's choice what to do with THEIR content.  

MS should get their grubby hands off of the developers. It's "MS telling the Developers what to do with THEIR game" that is the problem. Epic has always treated their customers very nicely, at least on the PC with the Unreal Series, constantly getting booster packs for free, and this is what they are trying to do with Gears. It's what expands the fan base AFTER you have purchased THEIR product.

MS is simply trying to cash in on it, and now it's evident that they are going to be doing the same thing on the PC with the GFW initiative. Listen to the 1up podcast this past Friday, they had Mark Rein on and few others from Epic, and they aren't happy at all with the way MS is handling this situation. Listen to it for yourself, don't take my word for it.

Don't forget, this isn't how MS makes their money, they make it selling Windows. If you put this in perspective, the 360 is a child(Only 10+ million users, 6 million using Xbox Live, and an undisclosed amount of people using GOLD, which is even less). That's not very many people compared to the hundreds of millions of people purchasing PC's with windows on it. It's not even close. MS is merely trying to strangle the console market as they have done in the PC market for years. Their flippin' experts at it, but that doesn't mean we have to follow or agree with their business practices.

BTW, I'm in business as well. It's not the fact that they are making money, it's how thay are making money that is in question. Very different perspectives.

Bill & Melinda Gates, I believe has donated more money than Sony and Nintendo combine.

dapmediainc

If lemmings support them now or try to defend microsoft..i hope you know your gettin milked for money...you should put your inner fanboy aside..if you let microsoft do this, you better bet they goin to continue it..so dont let them get away with this crap..elementz28

If Bill Gates helps a poor kid, doesnt mean Microsoft helped the kid.

[QUOTE="RyuHayabusaX"]

We ALREADY pay $50 a year for Xbox Live, and THIS is what we get!!!

• Epic games is trying to release their new downloadable content for Gears of War for free because they support their customers, but Microsoft isn't letting this happen. They're forcing Epic to charge money for the maps they want free because they want customers to get used to the business model of paying for items on the marketplace.
• This was a while back, but they almost put in consumables, where you pay for things in the game with real money(temporary things). They talked about how customers who wanted to pay money like this could finally enjoy it. I'm sorry, but no one enjoys paying like this and it doesn't benefit the customer.
  
• We also have to pay $140 to fix the Xbox 360s that are messing up, and before they made us pay for shipping! Luckily they recently fixed this, probably because of all the complaints.

Microsoft is not doing ANYTHING that benefits the customer. Forcing people to pay for stuff that should be free? I think Microsoft is going WAY TOO FAR, they're becoming like what Sony was. Sony's online service doesn't compare with Xbox Live, but the fact that it's free makes it look a lot better than what Microsoft is doing!

 

 

 

Spartan-051

But why be FORCED to pay when the company making it was willing to make it free!

Im just glad Sony doesn't milk like this, you lemmings on this forum say this is a business model, this isn't business model, this is pure greediness on M$ part. Its a shame M$ charge you guys for everything, hell they didnt even take their time at making a more reliable console to put on the market for you and just made it out of Radio Shak parts. So according to the logic on these forums its better to pay for potentially free stuff because M$ says so....remember the saying customers are always right, lemmings say this is right, so M$ will have no utter doubt to continue to milk your a****...Goku004

They're trying to move the industry forward, be it in a direction you are content with, or not.project343

nothing is wrong with MS, they are a damn company they require money

AND A TOPIC LIK THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN POSTED WITH A MUCH CLEARER TITLE, SEARCH BEFORE YOU POSTsupermechakirby

Yea they require a lot more money, because, you know, they're about to be bankrupt and all, since, you know, they are, you know, MICROSOFT. 

Yet XBL users have tripled over the last year and will probably grow even bigger this year considering Halo 3 is coming out.eastside49er

The extras probably arent even that good. These are the people charing us 75 cents for an icon or background.

BUT, I agree.  I pay 50/year for online, 60 for the game, I god damn better get the content for free and not 5 bucks for 4 maps and a halfassed new gameplay mode.

Microsoft was doing so good, but why, WHY DOES EVERYTHING GOOD BECOME CORRUPT.  EA and MICROSOFT, I HATE YOU BOTH.