What Nintendo Power has to say about the lack of Hardcore games

Quoted word by word, with the naked mole rat refrences cut out...

Just as bears aren't really the number one threat to America as asserted by Stephen Colbert on The Colbert Report, Wii isn't the number one threat to gamers as many industry pundits have recently griped. Their argument goes something like this: if Wii is a huge success, then game publishers will put all their development dollars, yen, pounds, and euros into making Wii Sports knockoffs and sushi-rolling sims while more-complex titles for core gamers will become as rare as grizzly bears in Manhattan. The argument ignores publishers' primary motivation, which is money. Money, to the tune of more than 10 billion dollars annually, has flowed from gamers to game bulishers over recent years, and most of the spending was on shooters, adventures, RPGS, and other core-friendly titles. The though that game companies would turn their backs on that market is silly.

Further evidence that traditional game genres are as healthy as ever can be seen in this month's Metroid Prime 3: Corruption cover story. According to senior write Steve Thomason, Retro Studio's long-anticipated title is worth the wait. I boldly predict that with one flick of the Wii remote Metroid Prime 3 will make believers out of critics everywhere. And the story on DS is just as positive. The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass is quite possibly the best DS game ever. So the next time you hear some bearish boor proclaim gaming doom at the hands of Wii, ignore the growling. It's just noise.

Thoughts?

BU BU...BUT TEH WAGGLE!!!!!1!!!!:cry:

Sorry, I had to say something :P

*Waits for "It's a Nintendo only magazine"*

I gotta say, NP made a good point!!! It is all about the money!!!

But the Wii doesn't have the power that the core gamer requires. It's not the publishers and developers that is turning their back on them, it's Nintendo itself. You will get your complex game here and there, like Metroid, but those will be few and far between as developers make their hardcore games elsewhere.rykaziel

That is a really dumb answer!!! Why does a complex game needs more power???

Nintendo hasn't said anything funny ever since Reggie showed PBR as a good example of Wii's online.

When you make thread like these, we expect something stupid :x

I agree with his point.

*waits with FireEmblem for some one to say "It's a Nintendo only magazine"*

What this person fails to realize, or rather misinterpreted, is that money being the primary motivator would ultimately mean people would make what is the best source of revenue. Tell me oh graet article writer. You yourself said that money is the primary motivator, but IGNORE the fact that the highest per capita revenue would come from cheaper games marketed to the mass market. DUUUUUH. That means theres a much larger motivation for companies to MAKE sushi-sims and wiisports knock offs. Larger audience who will buy anything, AND lower development costs to boot.Vandalvideo

Then I suggest you write that to Nintendo Power!!!

Nintendo hasn't said anything funny ever since Reggie showed PBR as a good example of Wii's online.

When you make thread like these, we expect something stupid :x

Eponique

lol, I cut the stupid parts out. They were saying the real number one threat is the naked mole rat. :P

What this person fails to realize, or rather misinterpreted, is that money being the primary motivator would ultimately mean people would make what is the best source of revenue. Tell me oh graet article writer. You yourself said that money is the primary motivator, but IGNORE the fact that the highest per capita revenue would come from cheaper games marketed to the mass market. DUUUUUH. That means theres a much larger motivation for companies to MAKE sushi-sims and wiisports knock offs. Larger audience who will buy anything, AND lower development costs to boot.Vandalvideo

His logic has come up to bite him in the ass, nice.

[QUOTE="rykaziel"]But the Wii doesn't have the power that the core gamer requires. It's not the publishers and developers that is turning their back on them, it's Nintendo itself. You will get your complex game here and there, like Metroid, but those will be few and far between as developers make their hardcore games elsewhere.FireEmblem_Man

That is a really dumb answer!!! Why does a complex game needs more power???

Look at Crysis. The complexity of the game engine offers vast new gameplay possibilities, arguably even moreso than adding waggle features to last gen games.

But the Wii doesn't have the power that the core gamer requires. It's not the publishers and developers that is turning their back on them, it's Nintendo itself. You will get your complex game here and there, like Metroid, but those will be few and far between as developers make their hardcore games elsewhere.rykaziel

So now magically all those games that the core gamer has enjoyed for the past 6 years don't exist? A great game can't be made unless it utilizes the full power of 360 or PS3?

Look at Crysis. The complexity of the game engine offers vast new gameplay possibilities, arguably even moreso than adding waggle features to last gen games.

rykaziel

[QUOTE="FireEmblem_Man"]

[QUOTE="rykaziel"]But the Wii doesn't have the power that the core gamer requires. It's not the publishers and developers that is turning their back on them, it's Nintendo itself. You will get your complex game here and there, like Metroid, but those will be few and far between as developers make their hardcore games elsewhere.rykaziel

That is a really dumb answer!!! Why does a complex game needs more power???

Look at Crysis. The complexity of the game engine offers vast new gameplay possibilities, arguably even moreso than adding waggle features to last gen games.

So games like Crysis stand for all Complex games??? I see!!! So that makes games like Mass Effect, Halo, Gears Of War, Killzone 2, MGS4, and Heavenly Sword not hardcore do to them not being as powerful as the game Crysis??? So all last gen games aren't hardcore anymore because they are now technical inferior???

True, no matter what platform it is, third parties aren't going to just forget all of the genres that have been created in gaming over the past twenty years. A good read for Wii skeptics.REVOLUTIONfreak

Don't forget that last gen was being filled with a lot of generic shooters and GTA clones due to the success of the GTA games and Halo!!!

What this person fails to realize, or rather misinterpreted, is that money being the primary motivator would ultimately mean people would make what is the best source of revenue. Tell me oh graet article writer. You yourself said that money is the primary motivator, but IGNORE the fact that the highest per capita revenue would come from cheaper games marketed to the mass market. DUUUUUH. That means theres a much larger motivation for companies to MAKE sushi-sims and wiisports knock offs. Larger audience who will buy anything, AND lower development costs to boot.Vandalvideo

Knock offs have always sold rather poorly. Especially when they are obvious and at the same price.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]What this person fails to realize, or rather misinterpreted, is that money being the primary motivator would ultimately mean people would make what is the best source of revenue. Tell me oh graet article writer. You yourself said that money is the primary motivator, but IGNORE the fact that the highest per capita revenue would come from cheaper games marketed to the mass market. DUUUUUH. That means theres a much larger motivation for companies to MAKE sushi-sims and wiisports knock offs. Larger audience who will buy anything, AND lower development costs to boot.Devil-Itachi

Knock offs have always sold rather poorly. Especially when they are obvious and at the same price.

What this person fails to realize, or rather misinterpreted, is that money being the primary motivator would ultimately mean people would make what is the best source of revenue. Tell me oh graet article writer. You yourself said that money is the primary motivator, but IGNORE the fact that the highest per capita revenue would come from cheaper games marketed to the mass market. DUUUUUH. That means theres a much larger motivation for companies to MAKE sushi-sims and wiisports knock offs. Larger audience who will buy anything, AND lower development costs to boot.Vandalvideo

bah! if that's true then why isn't the ds clogged with nintendog wannabes? Truth is that those market expanding games sell very well but even on a casualized console like the ds you need to have games of all types to sustain any kind of momentum. Not only that, but high end developers will definitely NOT lower themselves to making just another minigame collection. High end developers will make high end games like FPSs, RPGs, and adventure games and they will make a lot of money in doing so. It is the best way for them to stand out

It's not like minigames are dominating on the wii, remember. The whole argument is that they are over represented.

But the Wii doesn't have the power that the core gamer requires. It's not the publishers and developers that is turning their back on them, it's Nintendo itself. You will get your complex game here and there, like Metroid, but those will be few and far between as developers make their hardcore games elsewhere.rykaziel

bah! if that's true then why isn't the ds clogged with nintendog wannabes? Truth is that those market expanding games sell very well but even on a casualized console like the ds you need to have games of all types to sustain any kind of momentum. Not only that, but high end developers will definitely NOT lower themselves to making just another minigame collection. High end developers will make high end games like FPSs, RPGs, and adventure games and they will make a lot of money in doing so. It is the best way for them to stand out It's not like minigames are dominating on the wii, remember. The whole argument is that they are over represented.GunSmith1_basic

But the Wii doesn't have the power that the core gamer requires. It's not the publishers and developers that is turning their back on them, it's Nintendo itself. You will get your complex game here and there, like Metroid, but those will be few and far between as developers make their hardcore games elsewhere.rykaziel

Complexe games don't need power, they need good desine. Power just aids in desine, just as a new contorlled can aid in desine.

[QUOTE="FireEmblem_Man"]

[QUOTE="rykaziel"]But the Wii doesn't have the power that the core gamer requires. It's not the publishers and developers that is turning their back on them, it's Nintendo itself. You will get your complex game here and there, like Metroid, but those will be few and far between as developers make their hardcore games elsewhere.rykaziel

That is a really dumb answer!!! Why does a complex game needs more power???

Look at Crysis. The complexity of the game engine offers vast new gameplay possibilities, arguably even moreso than adding waggle features to last gen games.

what rain gets shadows?! No way! That is so totally neccesary!

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]bah! if that's true then why isn't the ds clogged with nintendog wannabes? Truth is that those market expanding games sell very well but even on a casualized console like the ds you need to have games of all types to sustain any kind of momentum. Not only that, but high end developers will definitely NOT lower themselves to making just another minigame collection. High end developers will make high end games like FPSs, RPGs, and adventure games and they will make a lot of money in doing so. It is the best way for them to stand out It's not like minigames are dominating on the wii, remember. The whole argument is that they are over represented.Vandalvideo

Look at this way, just because films like Napoleon Dynamite exist that cost very little to make and made a fortune, did not stop big budget films like Spiderman 3 from existing which also made a fortune. As long as there are different audiences for games, there will be different genres.jedigemini

crysis isnt hardcore!!! Mainstream PC game hardcore? Wow.... Hardcore game is Atlus's Digital Devil Saga I...so hardcore,rare and classic it sells for over $90 on ebay... Hardcore games need to have a collectibility factor, crysis will be had for $15 in 2 years.

[QUOTE="rykaziel"][QUOTE="FireEmblem_Man"]

[QUOTE="rykaziel"]But the Wii doesn't have the power that the core gamer requires. It's not the publishers and developers that is turning their back on them, it's Nintendo itself. You will get your complex game here and there, like Metroid, but those will be few and far between as developers make their hardcore games elsewhere.FireEmblem_Man

That is a really dumb answer!!! Why does a complex game needs more power???

Look at Crysis. The complexity of the game engine offers vast new gameplay possibilities, arguably even moreso than adding waggle features to last gen games.

So games like Crysis stand for all Complex games??? I see!!! So that makes games like Mass Effect, Halo, Gears Of War, Killzone 2, MGS4, and Heavenly Sword not hardcore do to them not being as powerful as the game Crysis??? So all last gen games aren't hardcore anymore because they are now technical inferior???

That is a really dumb answer!!! Why does a complex game needs more power???FireEmblem_Man

You can't play Star Wars: KOTOR (let alone, Mass Effect) on the Wii. It is technically impossible. The reason is that the Wii lacks power.

The same is true of Halo 1. The complex physics andscaleis too much for the Wii.

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]bah! if that's true then why isn't the ds clogged with nintendog wannabes? Truth is that those market expanding games sell very well but even on a casualized console like the ds you need to have games of all types to sustain any kind of momentum. Not only that, but high end developers will definitely NOT lower themselves to making just another minigame collection. High end developers will make high end games like FPSs, RPGs, and adventure games and they will make a lot of money in doing so. It is the best way for them to stand out It's not like minigames are dominating on the wii, remember. The whole argument is that they are over represented.Vandalvideo

Proof? one of the highest sellinggames on the wii is Red Steel, and that game is not very good. It is perhaps thebest FPS on the wii though. Ifa third party released an awesome FPS on the wii today, it would sell likemad

[QUOTE="FireEmblem_Man"] That is a really dumb answer!!! Why does a complex game needs more power???Berserker_2

You can't play Star Wars: KOTOR (let alone, Mass Effect) on the Wii. It is technically impossible. The reason is that the Wii lacks power.

The same is true of Halo 1. The complex physics andscaleis too much for the Wii.

My god, you're good :lol: I'm gonna have to keep my eye on you, your claims are almost as funny as tree-branch's :lol:

if developers made nothing but shallow games like minigames they would lose money like crazy. supply and demand. My point is that there isn't enough room on any console for any single type of game. Proof? one of the highest sellinggames on the wii is Red Steel, and that game is not very good. It is perhaps thebest FPS on the wii though. Ifa third party released an awesome FPS on the wii today, it would sell likemadGunSmith1_basic

[QUOTE="jedigemini"]Look at this way, just because films like Napoleon Dynamite exist that cost very little to make and made a fortune, did not stop big budget films like Spiderman 3 from existing which also made a fortune. As long as there are different audiences for games, there will be different genres.Vandalvideo

There are plenty of different approaches to making money.

There will always be a huge audience for high budget games, and developers would be leaving money on the table to ignore them.

They'll make both kinds of games. High budget for the hardcore, and casual games for the casuals.

that ignores the absence of NEW ahrdcore game announcements for the Wii

it could be argued that much of the games we are seeing on the Wii now are the remnants of GC development. Where is the evidecne that Nintendo havent abandoned games altogether?

Nintendo Power is a highly reliable source which is in no way biased. OlDirtyMiyamoto

No I'm simply saying that your being short sighted *snickers*There are plenty of different approaches to making money.There will always be a hugeaudience for high budget games, and developers would be leaving money on the table to ignore them.They'll make both kinds of games. High budget for the hardcore, and casual games for the casuals.jedigemini

[QUOTE="FireEmblem_Man"] That is a really dumb answer!!! Why does a complex game needs more power???Berserker_2

You can't play Star Wars: KOTOR (let alone, Mass Effect) on the Wii. It is technically impossible. The reason is that the Wii lacks power.

The same is true of Halo 1. The complex physics andscaleis too much for the Wii.

it can easily play KOTOR or Halo

I like where this is going because Really I had it with Nintendo Wii 3rd party minigame crap.

Is good to know that my Wii is going to be supported by the game sI like yet I'm going to buy a Ps3 as well.

X360-Check

PSP-Check

PSPlite-In progress

Wii-In progress

Ps3-Soon

Ds lite-????.

PC-.....

The wii is a console for people who either.

A. Are too stupid to use a controller.

or

B. Hump anime like theres no tomorrow.

mike5445

C. Victims of the Hype machine

D. Zelda Fans

E.Resident evil fans.

F.Snake fans.

I'm in E and F.With a wii i got to play resident evil 0 and Umbrela Chronicles,Twin snakes and SMBB.

Screw the Fanboys,I have Money!.

bu..bu..but teh mini games!:cry:LINKloco

hmm...both hardcore games he mentioned were 1st party.