What Nintendo Power has to say about the lack of Hardcore games

[QUOTE="rykaziel"][QUOTE="FireEmblem_Man"]

[QUOTE="rykaziel"]But the Wii doesn't have the power that the core gamer requires. It's not the publishers and developers that is turning their back on them, it's Nintendo itself. You will get your complex game here and there, like Metroid, but those will be few and far between as developers make their hardcore games elsewhere.FireEmblem_Man

That is a really dumb answer!!! Why does a complex game needs more power???

Look at Crysis. The complexity of the game engine offers vast new gameplay possibilities, arguably even moreso than adding waggle features to last gen games.

So games like Crysis stand for all Complex games??? I see!!! So that makes games like Mass Effect, Halo, Gears Of War, Killzone 2, MGS4, and Heavenly Sword not hardcore do to them not being as powerful as the game Crysis??? So all last gen games aren't hardcore anymore because they are now technical inferior???

haha i know the biggest baddest "HARDCORE" games i can think of are almost all 2d sprite driven. once games went 3d they have gradually become easier and easier. the only hardcore games i can think of last gen are, nija gadien, devil may cry 3 and pain killer. for the most part all the other games were pretty easy. oh wait ikuraga. that was a good hardcore game.

If minigames and other shallow games make a lot of money, then they should be made. The video game industry would suffer as a whole if it other values other than making money. It's just that up till now, everyone assumed that the way to make money in the industry was to make games just as they have been evolving since the NES. If the wii shakes up that thinking, I believe that all of these minigames could be a great thing. ---only if they lead to something greater

Let's get minigames straight. They are successful on the wii not because they are shallow. They are successful because they are the most different kind of games that we've had for a very very long time. Right now, the most intuitive and most interesting motion sensing is found on minigames, whereas the bigger games have been fumbling it rather badly for some time. If the bigger games can learn what works from the minigames, I think they will outsell minigames on a regular basis

If minigames and other shallow games make a lot of money, then they should be made. The video game industry would suffer as a whole if it other values other than making money. It's just that up till now, everyone assumed that the way to make money in the industry was to make games just as they have been evolving since the NES. If the wii shakes up that thinking, I believe that all of these minigames could be a great thing. ---only if they lead to something greater

Let's get minigames straight. They are successful on the wii not because they are shallow. They are successful because they are the most different kind of games that we've had for a very very long time. Right now, the most intuitive and most interesting motion sensing is found on minigames, whereas the bigger games have been fumbling it rather badly for some time. If the bigger games can learn what works from the minigames, I think they will outsell minigames on a regular basis

GunSmith1_basic

But the Wii doesn't have the power that the core gamer requires.rykaziel

You realize every system is horribly underpowered for what could be possible in 10, 20 years?

Cutting edge =/= requirement for good game.

Quoted word by word, with the naked mole rat refrences cut out...

Just as bears aren't really the number one threat to America as asserted by Stephen Colbert on The Colbert Report, Wii isn't the number one threat to gamers as many industry pundits have recently griped. Their argument goes something like this: if Wii is a huge success, then game publishers will put all their development dollars, yen, pounds, and euros into making Wii Sports knockoffs and sushi-rolling sims while more-complex titles for core gamers will become as rare as grizzly bears in Manhattan. The argument ignores publishers' primary motivation, which is money. Money, to the tune of more than 10 billion dollars annually, has flowed from gamers to game bulishers over recent years, and most of the spending was on shooters, adventures, RPGS, and other core-friendly titles. The though that game companies would turn their backs on that market is silly.

Further evidence that traditional game genres are as healthy as ever can be seen in this month's Metroid Prime 3: Corruption cover story. According to senior write Steve Thomason, Retro Studio's long-anticipated title is worth the wait. I boldly predict that with one flick of the Wii remote Metroid Prime 3 will make believers out of critics everywhere. And the story on DS is just as positive. The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass is quite possibly the best DS game ever. So the next time you hear some bearish boor proclaim gaming doom at the hands of Wii, ignore the growling. It's just noise.0starter0

Thoughts?

[QUOTE="rykaziel"]But the Wii doesn't have the power that the core gamer requires.Jandurin

You realize every system is horribly underpowered for what could be possible in 10, 20 years?

Cutting edge =/= requirement for good game.

For example..

For example..

Banhammer3000

their answer is one game? oh halleluiah thanks for the hot tip quincy! this makes me a lot more confident in my purchase!
-SiiLeNCE-

[QUOTE="Banhammer3000"]

For example..

Hewkii

Really just for a video I say that is not fair,anyway IMO the 3rd party support of the wii is the only thing that stops me from buying one,the list of current 3rd party games is rubbish..

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]

If minigames and other shallow games make a lot of money, then they should be made. The video game industry would suffer as a whole if it other values other than making money. It's just that up till now, everyone assumed that the way to make money in the industry was to make games just as they have been evolving since the NES. If the wii shakes up that thinking, I believe that all of these minigames could be a great thing. ---only if they lead to something greater

Let's get minigames straight. They are successful on the wii not because they are shallow. They are successful because they are the most different kind of games that we've had for a very very long time. Right now, the most intuitive and most interesting motion sensing is found on minigames, whereas the bigger games have been fumbling it rather badly for some time. If the bigger games can learn what works from the minigames, I think they will outsell minigames on a regular basis

Vandalvideo

It's early in the console's life, and the fate of the console is in that question I suppose. If the wii's unique abilities are no good for anything other than minigames, then the console will wither. I dont see it that way...

[QUOTE="-SiiLeNCE-"]

their answer is one game? oh halleluiah thanks for the hot tip quincy! this makes me a lot more confident in my purchase!
nintendofreak_2

I say they could mention resident evil chronicles...

I would think that it wouldn't matter where excellence came from. If you can't imagine a hardcore game developer learning from what works and doesn't work from minigames, then I might accuse you of being close minded, or at least not having all the information. It's early in the console's life, and the fate of the console is in that question I suppose. If the wii's unique abilities are no good for anything other than minigames, then the console will wither. I dont see it that way...GunSmith1_basic

[QUOTE="rykaziel"]But the Wii doesn't have the power that the core gamer requires.Jandurin

You realize every system is horribly underpowered for what could be possible in 10, 20 years?

Cutting edge =/= requirement for good game.

But Wii is underpowered now. Why aren't RE5 and Cod4 not on wii? Because the specs required to generate the physics/graphics is too extreme for the wii. Instead they opt to making dumb down version with wiimote controls.

But Wii is underpowered now. Why aren't RE5 and Cod4 not on wii? Because the specs required to generate the physics/graphics is too extreme for the wii. Instead they opt to making dumb down version with wiimote controls.Riviera_Phantom

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]

If minigames and other shallow games make a lot of money, then they should be made. The video game industry would suffer as a whole if it other values other than making money. It's just that up till now, everyone assumed that the way to make money in the industry was to make games just as they have been evolving since the NES. If the wii shakes up that thinking, I believe that all of these minigames could be a great thing. ---only if they lead to something greater

Let's get minigames straight. They are successful on the wii not because they are shallow. They are successful because they are the most different kind of games that we've had for a very very long time. Right now, the most intuitive and most interesting motion sensing is found on minigames, whereas the bigger games have been fumbling it rather badly for some time. If the bigger games can learn what works from the minigames, I think they will outsell minigames on a regular basis

Vandalvideo

Can you go back to playing your generic FPS now, please?

sounds nice..but is it true?

I don't think so. We will be bombarded with garbage and there will be a couple titles worth owning just like recent generations.. Console gaming is basically 90% trash with a couple good games sneaking through every 3-4 years when a new system is adopted. What games on the gamecube are so good that they can be played over and over again? Then look back to the snes or nes and ask yourself the same question. Good games are becoming fewer and fewer. How many AMAZING (for the time) rpgs did Snes have? How many did the cube have?

Can you go back to playing your generic FPS now, please?svetzenlether

My eyes have begun to bleed trying to read what you people are saying, there's a spell check button y'know >_>.

Hardcore games don't appeal to anyone (except the hardcore fanbase), Nintendo saw that, therefore they make games that try to appeal to a wider generation, I myself am appealed to them, but I don't see my mum or granddad playing WiiSports.

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"] I would think that it wouldn't matter where excellence came from. If you can't imagine a hardcore game developer learning from what works and doesn't work from minigames, then I might accuse you of being close minded, or at least not having all the information. It's early in the console's life, and the fate of the console is in that question I suppose. If the wii's unique abilities are no good for anything other than minigames, then the console will wither. I dont see it that way...Vandalvideo

I didn't mean close minded as an insult, and I even suggested a lighter alternative. I think its ok to be close minded about things, since it can be difficult to get the full story on every little thing, especially if you dont enjoy it so much. All im saying is that there is something great happening on minigames on the wii, even though they aren't very good games. I founda lot of hardcore value in Wiiboxing, even though the game has some fatal flaws that punish people who approach in a hardcore sort of way. I cant blame you for not trying to appreciate the good things about them, since there are better games to play atm.

Also remember that it's not that hardcore games will be more like minigames, it's that they will learn from what works on those minigames, kind of like learning from a tech demo

I like how people automatically assume that shovelware will actually sell on the Wii. Can anyone actually prove that developers make more money on it that on hardcore games?ZinkOxide

Wii play Wii sports have sold a HELL of a lot.

I didn't mean close minded as an insult, and I even suggested a lighter alternative. I think its ok to be close minded about things, since it can be difficult to get the full story on every little thing, especially if you dont enjoy it so much. All im saying is that there is something great happening on minigames on the wii, even though they aren't very good games. I founda lot of hardcore value in Wiiboxing, even though the game has some fatal flaws that punish people who approach in a hardcore sort of way. I cant blame you for not trying to appreciate the good things about them, since there are better games to play atm.Also remember that it's not that hardcore games will be more like minigames, it's that they will learn from what works on those minigames, kind of like learning from a tech demoGunSmith1_basic

[QUOTE="ZinkOxide"]I like how people automatically assume that shovelware will actually sell on the Wii. Can anyone actually prove that developers make more money on it that on hardcore games?Jandurin

Wii play Wii sports have sold a HELL of a lot.

Shovelware= Barbie Horse Adventures and WarioWare ripoffs. Lame licensed games and poor minigames. Minigames were done well in WarioWare, we don't need any more. That's different from stuff like Wii Play which is based on the controller tech.ZinkOxide

Heh, Miyamoto says that in ten years, people won't even be playing video games since the Wii and DS are chanigng the market so dramatically. So yeah, Nintendo is ruining gaming.Tungsten88

Luckily, I'll still have my current games, like Master of Magic and Starcraft and all sorts of games on the SNES/Xbox/PS2 etc. that I missed.

A Wii shovelware game out now would be Tamagotchi Party On.ZinkOxide

I don't think we have to worry about that selling.

I guess it isn't as big as problem as perceived.

Now, if you just hate mini-games, that's a different story.

I can understand that. I hate sports games and don't care much for driving sims.

I don't mind minigames, I just dislike cash-ins.

I don't mind minigames, I just dislike cash-ins.ZinkOxide

No, I'm really not worried about shovelware selling.

I think the haters are more worried about the "non-games" such as WiiFit selling well and pulling in people they don't like into the industry. Though, why they think those people will drop truckloads of money on ****** games again and again is unknown to me.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]What this person fails to realize, or rather misinterpreted, is that money being the primary motivator would ultimately mean people would make what is the best source of revenue. Tell me oh graet article writer. You yourself said that money is the primary motivator, but IGNORE the fact that the highest per capita revenue would come from cheaper games marketed to the mass market. DUUUUUH. That means theres a much larger motivation for companies to MAKE sushi-sims and wiisports knock offs. Larger audience who will buy anything, AND lower development costs to boot.thirstychainsaw

His logic has come up to bite him in the ass, nice.

The problem is that while the nintendo power article writer has a basic grasp of economics and business you dont.... you are making asssumptions based on what you think will happen but it is obvious you have never taken an economics, finance, marketing, or business class ever. Lets say that the casual market grows.... does that mean that the hardcore market shrinks? no. What will happen is developers will now make both kinds of games. Even if a developer shifts to a casual focus, a new developer will take its place and develop for the hardcore market that wants more games.

Nintendo is not doing a market change...Its going for a market EXPANSION. which just means the industry will be bigger and there will be more money in it, etc. Hardcore gamers are not being substituted by casual gamers, gamers are just being added.

[QUOTE="FireEmblem_Man"] That is a really dumb answer!!! Why does a complex game needs more power???Berserker_2

You can't play Star Wars: KOTOR (let alone, Mass Effect) on the Wii. It is technically impossible. The reason is that the Wii lacks power.

The same is true of Halo 1. The complex physics andscaleis too much for the Wii.

Try Shadow of the Colossus, ICO, Dark Cloud 2, and Okami!!! All complex yet didn't required so much power to play!!!

[QUOTE="Devil-Itachi"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]What this person fails to realize, or rather misinterpreted, is that money being the primary motivator would ultimately mean people would make what is the best source of revenue. Tell me oh graet article writer. You yourself said that money is the primary motivator, but IGNORE the fact that the highest per capita revenue would come from cheaper games marketed to the mass market. DUUUUUH. That means theres a much larger motivation for companies to MAKE sushi-sims and wiisports knock offs. Larger audience who will buy anything, AND lower development costs to boot.Vandalvideo

Knock offs have always sold rather poorly. Especially when they are obvious and at the same price.

Heres one for you. The people who buy games like Cooking Mama (one of the worst selling games on the Wii) and the "Sushi rolling sim". How many games do you think they'd buy each year. Why do you think repetitive puzzle games like Bejewelled, Zuma, and Cubis, are so popular. It's because the people who buy those sorts of games aren't constantly looking for something new. Hardcore gamers buy much more games than non-gamers do.

[QUOTE="Berserker_2"]

[QUOTE="FireEmblem_Man"] That is a really dumb answer!!! Why does a complex game needs more power???FireEmblem_Man

You can't play Star Wars: KOTOR (let alone, Mass Effect) on the Wii. It is technically impossible. The reason is that the Wii lacks power.

The same is true of Halo 1. The complex physics andscaleis too much for the Wii.

Try Shadow of the Colossus, ICO, Dark Cloud 2, and Okami!!! All complex yet didn't required so much power to play!!!

Umm. There are Gamecube games that are better than Halo CE :lol:.

[QUOTE="Tungsten88"]Heh, Miyamoto says that in ten years, people won't even be playing video games since the Wii and DS are chanigng the market so dramatically. So yeah, Nintendo is ruining gaming.Jandurin

Luckily, I'll still have my current games, like Master of Magic and Starcraft and all sorts of games on the SNES/Xbox/PS2 etc. that I missed.

Alright, all Nintendo supporters need to stop playing and the industry will thrive! Yay!

[QUOTE="FireEmblem_Man"][QUOTE="Berserker_2"]

[QUOTE="FireEmblem_Man"] That is a really dumb answer!!! Why does a complex game needs more power???Tylendal

You can't play Star Wars: KOTOR (let alone, Mass Effect) on the Wii. It is technically impossible. The reason is that the Wii lacks power.

The same is true of Halo 1. The complex physics andscaleis too much for the Wii.

Try Shadow of the Colossus, ICO, Dark Cloud 2, and Okami!!! All complex yet didn't required so much power to play!!!

Umm. There are Gamecube games that are better than Halo CE :lol:.

Star Wars Rouge Squadron 2, released at launch. Now THAT was a Halo killer.