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#1 brennanhuff
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A really good platformer. This is the one thing I think that 360 library lacks. Ratchet and Clank series is really good, plan on getting the new one at some point for the PS3 but...I just hate gaming on that thing.

What do you think? 360 needs a good platformer?

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#2 Lto_thaG
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It needs some first party developers.

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#3 mmmwksil
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I think the 360 needs to bow out and make way for something new. Its days are numbered.

Gamewise, it needs better RPGs.

Edit: Because apparently people wish to distinguish the two, it needs better JRPGs.

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#4 ShadowMoses900
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The 360 needs more developers and new exclusive series, sure Halo is good and all but I want more focus than just one game and I'm NOT talking about Kinect lol.

Also I want MS to drop the fee to play online, if they did that than Xbox Live would be the best online service, but alas it's not and MS probably isn't going to do that.

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It needs smoother frame rates.
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#6 Deniable_Ops
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It needs to get dropped by Microsoft already, its sooooooo old now
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#7 loosingENDS
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I think the 360 needs to bow out and make way for something new. Its days are numbered.

Gamewise, it needs better RPGs.

mmmwksil

Better than Witcher 2, Dark Souls, FF13-2, Mass Effect 3 Kinect, Skyrim with exclusive DLC, Fable 1-2-3-Journey, Oblivion, Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, Tales of Vesperia etc etc etc ?

Seems like the ultimate RPG system this generation to me, by a landslide

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#8 Renegade_Fury
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Yeah, I've always wished MS would create an exclusive platformer, but since Sonic Generations is on the way, I'm not complaining. For next gen though, I'd really like to see one.

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#9 mmmwksil
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[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

I think the 360 needs to bow out and make way for something new. Its days are numbered.

Gamewise, it needs better RPGs.

loosingENDS

Better than Witcher 2, Dark Souls, FF13-2, Mass Effect 3 Kinect, Skyrim with exclusive DLC, Fable 1-2-3-Journey, Oblivion, Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, Tales of Vesperia etc etc etc ?

Seems like the ultimate RPG system this generation to me, by a landslide

Let me kindly rephrase: better JRPGs. :P

And I'd hand that title to DS or PSP, not the lousy 360. :?

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#10 todd2r
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How does a console that's constantly outselling everything else (in the U.S., calm down cows), need anything? Microsoft knows their audience. They know what they want. They aren't gonna waste their money or time developing something like Ratchet and Clank because it won't sell. What sells is gears, halo, and call of duty. Asking for a platformer this late into this gen just won't happen. Don't hold your breath for next gen either.
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#11 THEGoD1
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[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

I think the 360 needs to bow out and make way for something new. Its days are numbered.

Gamewise, it needs better RPGs.

loosingENDS

Better than Witcher 2, Dark Souls, FF13-2, Mass Effect 3 Kinect, Skyrim with exclusive DLC, Fable 1-2-3-Journey, Oblivion, Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, Tales of Vesperia etc etc etc ?

Seems like the ultimate RPG system this generation to me, by a landslide

Lots of the games you mentioned are multi-platformed. Try sticking to exclusives.
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#12 loosingENDS
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[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

I think the 360 needs to bow out and make way for something new. Its days are numbered.

Gamewise, it needs better RPGs.

THEGoD1

Better than Witcher 2, Dark Souls, FF13-2, Mass Effect 3 Kinect, Skyrim with exclusive DLC, Fable 1-2-3-Journey, Oblivion, Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, Tales of Vesperia etc etc etc ?

Seems like the ultimate RPG system this generation to me, by a landslide

Lots of the games you mentioned are multi-platformed. Try sticking to exclusives.

You mean gamers never play non exclusives ?

Those games are all on 360 and many of them are exclusive too, so each one counts

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#13 lbjkurono23
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Exclusive games, lots of it.
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#14 Kevz0
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[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

I think the 360 needs to bow out and make way for something new. Its days are numbered.

Gamewise, it needs better RPGs.

loosingENDS

Better than Witcher 2, Dark Souls, FF13-2, Mass Effect 3 Kinect, Skyrim with exclusive DLC, Fable 1-2-3-Journey, Oblivion, Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, Tales of Vesperia etc etc etc ?

Seems like the ultimate RPG system this generation to me, by a landslide

Better RPGs then PSP and DS? lolno
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[QUOTE="THEGoD1"][QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

Better than Witcher 2, Dark Souls, FF13-2, Mass Effect 3 Kinect, Skyrim with exclusive DLC, Fable 1-2-3-Journey, Oblivion, Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, Tales of Vesperia etc etc etc ?

Seems like the ultimate RPG system this generation to me, by a landslide

loosingENDS

Lots of the games you mentioned are multi-platformed. Try sticking to exclusives.

You mean gamers never play non exclusives ?

Those games are all on 360 and many of them are exclusive too, so each one counts

Of course they count. Some people around here like to think otherwise for some reason. But there are even more than that, espeically JRPGs. Magna Carta 2, Resonance of Fate, The Last Remnant, Enchated Arms, Star Ocean, Infinite Undiscovery...to name a few.

But not sure how this thread got into JRPGs? There has been a drought as of late on 360 but not a lack of JRPGs that's for sure. There is a complete lack of platformers though.

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#16 iano-87
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It needs a hair cut.

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#17 clone01
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[QUOTE="THEGoD1"][QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

Better than Witcher 2, Dark Souls, FF13-2, Mass Effect 3 Kinect, Skyrim with exclusive DLC, Fable 1-2-3-Journey, Oblivion, Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, Tales of Vesperia etc etc etc ?

Seems like the ultimate RPG system this generation to me, by a landslide

loosingENDS

Lots of the games you mentioned are multi-platformed. Try sticking to exclusives.

You mean gamers never play non exclusives ?

Those games are all on 360 and many of them are exclusive too, so each one counts

You're correct, saolin/obamanian/dark_ancient/ablefa3.
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#18 turtlethetaffer
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It needs more variety.

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#19 KC_Hokie
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A really good platformer. This is the one thing I think that 360 library lacks. Ratchet and Clank series is really good, plan on getting the new one at some point for the PS3 but...I just hate gaming on that thing.

What do you think? 360 needs a good platformer?

brennanhuff

The latest R&C game has a Metacritic score of 73. Not really sure why the Xbox 360 needs that.

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#20 mrsniper83
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I think the 360 needs to bow out and make way for something new. Its days are numbered.

Gamewise, it needs better RPGs.

mmmwksil
Are you kidding me, if xbox had a blu ray player nobody would own a ps3.I have both systems and i use my xbox %99 of the time.
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#21 locopatho
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XBLA covers that gap quite nicely imo. Stuff like Super Meat Boy and Splosion Man really kick ass for platforming.

I think the 360 needs to bow out and make way for something new. Its days are numbered.

Gamewise, it needs better RPGs.

mmmwksil
Um no. Been going rock solid for 6 years and counting, still getting tons of amazing games. Needs to hang about even longer. RPG wise, it's just gotten Dark Souls and awaiting Skyrim, what's the problem daddy-o?
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#22 p4s2p0
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[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

I think the 360 needs to bow out and make way for something new. Its days are numbered.

Gamewise, it needs better RPGs.

mrsniper83

Are you kidding me, if xbox had a blu ray player nobody would own a ps3.I have both systems and i use my xbox %99 of the time.

Thats the thing with opinions you can always find others that are the opposite I've sen ppl use their ps3 more than 360. Just as I've sen ppl use ds more than psp and psp more than ds.

While rgp aren't my thing I have heard portables have the most

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#23 brennanhuff
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[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

I think the 360 needs to bow out and make way for something new. Its days are numbered.

Gamewise, it needs better RPGs.

mrsniper83

Are you kidding me, if xbox had a blu ray player nobody would own a ps3.I have both systems and i use my xbox %99 of the time.

This may be the one comment on system wars I agree with 100%. I would dump my PS3 in two seconds flat if the 360 had a Blu-ray add on.

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#24 brennanhuff
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[QUOTE="mrsniper83"][QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

I think the 360 needs to bow out and make way for something new. Its days are numbered.

Gamewise, it needs better RPGs.

p4s2p0

Are you kidding me, if xbox had a blu ray player nobody would own a ps3.I have both systems and i use my xbox %99 of the time.

Thats the thing with opinions you can always find others that are the opposite I've sen ppl use their ps3 more than 360. Just as I've sen ppl use ds more than psp and psp more than ds.

While rgp aren't my thing I have heard portables have the most

He has a point. The software sales speak for themselves. Look at the trend of PS3 exclusives and sequels. While hardware sales are going up, software sales are actually going down.

I think the most obvious explanation is that people use the PS3 primarly for Blu-ray. I know I fall in that category.

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#25 Seiki_sands
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XBLA has TONS of platformers.

Though I think many would like to have seen a standard Banjo 3 or Conker 2 platformer from Rare.

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Super Meat Boy and Splosion Man/Ms Splosion Man aren't on PS3. Just sayin.

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#27 meetroid8
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3 but...I just hate gaming on that thing

brennanhuff
Why? That doesn't make a lot of sense.
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#28 zeldisco2009
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Rayman Origins is coming out on 360

But if you love platfomrers then the Wii is the system of choice.

Super Mario Galaxy 1 and Super Mario Galaxy 2 are the highest rated games of this gen and there are no games,which are better on the PS3,X360,PC,DS and PSP, especially if you take reviews and critical acclaim as the real guide.

Plus there are 3 very strong 2D Plattfomers: Donkey Kong C.R.,Kirbys Epic Yarn and New Super Mario Bros.Another Kirby game is also coming this year.

Players who love plattfomers jump in to the Nintendo Wii.

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#29 kuraimen
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More Halos and Forzas, 2 per year, and limit their market to NA, discontinue the console everywhere else.
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#30 Ravensmash
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It needs more variety.

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#31 zeldisco2009
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More Halos and Forzas, 2 per year, and limit their market to NA, discontinue the console everywhere else.kuraimen

Xbox 360 is selling as much as the PS3 in Europe.I guess Sony should discontinue the PS3 there as well and in the US.

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#32 heretrix
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I don't think the 360 needs anything listed in this thread. It seems to be doing just fine as it is.

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#33 KC_Hokie
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I don't think the 360 needs anything listed in this thread. It seems to be doing just fine as it is.

heretrix

I agree. I would even argue MS's decision to fund countless XBLA games vs. a handful of big 'exclusives' like Sony really paid off over the last year. There is more variety and overall number of quality games.

Would anyone have guessed two or three years ago funding two dozen plus XBLA games in a year + Gears 3, Forza 4 would trump all six or 8 (or whatever) PS3 'exclusives' + PSN games in terms of overall sales and review averages.

I honestly wouldn't have.

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#34 kuraimen
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Would anyone have guessed two or three years ago funding two dozen plus XBLA games in a year + Gears 3, Forza 4 would trump all six or 8 (or whatever) PS3 'exclusives' + PSN games in terms of overall sales and review averages.

I honestly wouldn't have.KC_Hokie

Wut? lol yeah no one would have guessed because that certainly didn't happen.

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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Would anyone have guessed two or three years ago funding two dozen plus XBLA games in a year + Gears 3, Forza 4 would trump all six or 8 (or whatever) PS3 'exclusives' + PSN games in terms of overall sales and review averages.

I honestly wouldn't have.kuraimen

Wut? lol yeah no one would have guessed because that certainly didn't happen.

What was the last big selling PS3 exclusive? GT5?
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#36 Heil68
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Games that don't revolve around Kinect.
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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Would anyone have guessed two or three years ago funding two dozen plus XBLA games in a year + Gears 3, Forza 4 would trump all six or 8 (or whatever) PS3 'exclusives' + PSN games in terms of overall sales and review averages.

I honestly wouldn't have.kuraimen

Wut? lol yeah no one would have guessed because that certainly didn't happen.

Name a PS3 'exclusive' (they were all pretty much sequels). It sold worse than the one before it (and in some cases the two before it). Not a good year for PS3 'exclusives' in terms of sales.

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Would anyone have guessed two or three years ago funding two dozen plus XBLA games in a year + Gears 3, Forza 4 would trump all six or 8 (or whatever) PS3 'exclusives' + PSN games in terms of overall sales and review averages.

I honestly wouldn't have.KC_Hokie

Wut? lol yeah no one would have guessed because that certainly didn't happen.

Name a PS3 'exclusive' (they were all pretty much sequel). It sold worse than the one before it (and in some cases the two before it). Not a good year for PS3 'exclusives' in terms of sales.

Considering the amount of hype certain PS3 fans were giving 2011, it's been a bit of a damp squib. Great games for sure - but hardly AAAE filled as some people predicted.
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#39 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Would anyone have guessed two or three years ago funding two dozen plus XBLA games in a year + Gears 3, Forza 4 would trump all six or 8 (or whatever) PS3 'exclusives' + PSN games in terms of overall sales and review averages.

I honestly wouldn't have.Ravensmash

Wut? lol yeah no one would have guessed because that certainly didn't happen.

What was the last big selling PS3 exclusive? GT5?

PS3 exclusives have sold like 8 million this year outselling all 360 exclusives together and the year is still not over. UC3, one of their biggest PS3 exclusives is releasing soon. So yeah that claim is BS.
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#40 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Would anyone have guessed two or three years ago funding two dozen plus XBLA games in a year + Gears 3, Forza 4 would trump all six or 8 (or whatever) PS3 'exclusives' + PSN games in terms of overall sales and review averages.

I honestly wouldn't have.KC_Hokie

Wut? lol yeah no one would have guessed because that certainly didn't happen.

Name a PS3 'exclusive' (they were all pretty much sequels). It sold worse than the one before it (and in some cases the two before it). Not a good year for PS3 'exclusives' in terms of sales.

Fact: PS3 users have invested more money in exclusives this year than 360 users. Not a good year for 360 exclusives.
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#41 -ArchAngeL-777-
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Games that don't revolve around Kinect. Heil68
Yeah this is big. They also dont really have much in the way of action games like Uncharted, Infamous or God of War. They need more first party developers that know what they are doing. Even Halo and Gears of War were done by third party developers. Then again, this is the history of Xbox. Its library has been carried by Halo and one or two other titles. Its no surprise that this gen has turned out the same. Sony is just flat out better at developing a well rounded library.
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#42 El_Zo1212o
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... So yeah that claim is BS.kuraimen
Says the fellow who makes an assertion without providing a link to any reputable source for his claim. *applause*
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#43 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"]... So yeah that claim is BS.El_Zo1212o
Says the fellow who makes an assertion without provifing a link to any reputable source for his claim. *applause*

Oh and all the others I was quoting provided so many links. They might be invisible links that only lems can see.
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#44 i5750at4Ghz
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Looking at recent sales, it doesn't need a damn thing.
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#45 El_Zo1212o
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[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"][QUOTE="kuraimen"]... So yeah that claim is BS.kuraimen
Says the fellow who makes an assertion without provifing a link to any reputable source for his claim. *applause*

Oh and all the others I was quoting provided so many links. They might be invisible links that only lems can see.

Which means their claims are just as invalid. Prove your superiority- post a reference!
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#46 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"][QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"] Says the fellow who makes an assertion without provifing a link to any reputable source for his claim. *applause*

Oh and all the others I was quoting provided so many links. They might be invisible links that only lems can see.

Which means their claims are just as invalid. Prove your superiority- post a reference!

They said 360 exclusives destroyed PS3 ones in score average. One PS3 exclusive LBP2 has a score average in MC higher than any 360 exclusive this year. You or any other could google it. And the sales on PS3 exclusives are easy too. I think it was ian who took the time to make the sum in another thread but I won't make it here. Using VGChartz PS3 exclusives sales add to close to 8 million, 360 exclusives are nowhere near that number. That means PS3 owners have invested more money in PS3 exclusives than 360 owners.
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[QUOTE="p4s2p0"]

[QUOTE="mrsniper83"] Are you kidding me, if xbox had a blu ray player nobody would own a ps3.I have both systems and i use my xbox %99 of the time.brennanhuff

Thats the thing with opinions you can always find others that are the opposite I've sen ppl use their ps3 more than 360. Just as I've sen ppl use ds more than psp and psp more than ds.

While rgp aren't my thing I have heard portables have the most

He has a point. The software sales speak for themselves. Look at the trend of PS3 exclusives and sequels. While hardware sales are going up, software sales are actually going down.

I think the most obvious explanation is that people use the PS3 primarly for Blu-ray. I know I fall in that category.

PS3 worldwide software sales 2008: 103.7 million

2009: 115.6 million

2010: 147.9 million

2011: --

So, PS3 sales are going down?

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Wut? lol yeah no one would have guessed because that certainly didn't happen.

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Name a PS3 'exclusive' (they were all pretty much sequels). It sold worse than the one before it (and in some cases the two before it). Not a good year for PS3 'exclusives' in terms of sales.

Fact: PS3 users have invested more money in exclusives this year than 360 users. Not a good year for 360 exclusives.

Not what I asked. Which 2011 PS3 'exclusive' sequel (there were like 6 or 8 of them) sold as well as its predecessor?
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Looking at recent sales, it doesn't need a damn thing.i5750at4Ghz
That's in large part due to Gears of War 3. Before it released they had been getting beaten by PS3 for months. This will flip when Uncharted 3 releases.
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Name a PS3 'exclusive' (they were all pretty much sequels). It sold worse than the one before it (and in some cases the two before it). Not a good year for PS3 'exclusives' in terms of sales.

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Fact: PS3 users have invested more money in exclusives this year than 360 users. Not a good year for 360 exclusives.

Not what I asked. Which 2011 PS3 'exclusive' sequel (there were like 6 or 8 of them) sold as well as its predecessor?

And what does that have to do with 360 exclusives trumping all PS3 exclusives this year like you claimed considering PS3 exclusives still sold better together?