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#51 i5750at4Ghz
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[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"]Looking at recent sales, it doesn't need a damn thing.-ArchAngeL-777-
That's in large part due to Gears of War 3. Before it released they had been getting beaten by PS3 for months. This will flip when Uncharted 3 releases.

360 is crushing the PS3 in America, the only region that matters.
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#52 KC_Hokie
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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] Fact: PS3 users have invested more money in exclusives this year than 360 users. Not a good year for 360 exclusives.kuraimen

Not what I asked. Which 2011 PS3 'exclusive' sequel (there were like 6 or 8 of them) sold as well as its predecessor?

And what does that have to do with 360 exclusives trumping all PS3 exclusives this year like you claimed considering PS3 exclusives still sold better together?

That's not what I said. Go back and read my first post.
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#53 idill23
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Games that don't revolve around Kinect. Heil68
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#54 kuraimen
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I agree. I would even argue MS's decision to fund countless XBLA games vs. a handful of big 'exclusives' like Sony really paid off over the last year. There is more variety and overall number of quality games.

Would anyone have guessed two or three years ago funding two dozen plus XBLA games in a year + Gears 3, Forza 4 would trump all six or 8 (or whatever) PS3 'exclusives' + PSN games in terms of overall sales and review averages.

I honestly wouldn't have.

KC_Hokie

The bolded part... All those 6 or 8 games sold more than 360 exclusives and one of them has an average higher than any 360 exclusive this year. Also the PS3 has more high scoring exclusives this year. So I don't know what you're talking about

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#55 ianuilliam
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[QUOTE="-ArchAngeL-777-"][QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"]Looking at recent sales, it doesn't need a damn thing.i5750at4Ghz
That's in large part due to Gears of War 3. Before it released they had been getting beaten by PS3 for months. This will flip when Uncharted 3 releases.

360 is crushing the PS3 in America, the only region that matters.

Lol. America, F*** Yeah!

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#56 i5750at4Ghz
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[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"][QUOTE="-ArchAngeL-777-"] That's in large part due to Gears of War 3. Before it released they had been getting beaten by PS3 for months. This will flip when Uncharted 3 releases.ianuilliam

360 is crushing the PS3 in America, the only region that matters.

Lol. America, F*** Yeah!

Damn Straight!!!
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#57 El_Zo1212o
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... You or any other could google it.kuraimen
Way to bank on no one taking the time to do so. If you're going to make a claim like that(and this goes for everyone on SW), provide a link to prove you're not making **** up just like 98% of the rest of the population of this board.
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#58 KC_Hokie
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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

I agree. I would even argue MS's decision to fund countless XBLA games vs. a handful of big 'exclusives' like Sony really paid off over the last year. There is more variety and overall number of quality games.

Would anyone have guessed two or three years ago funding two dozen plus XBLA games in a year + Gears 3, Forza 4 would trump all six or 8 (or whatever) PS3 'exclusives' + PSN games in terms of overall sales and review averages.

I honestly wouldn't have.

kuraimen

The bolded part... All those 6 or 8 games sold more than 360 exclusives and one of them has an average higher than any 360 exclusive this year. Also the PS3 has more high scoring exclusives this year. So I don't know what you're talking about

I clearly said 2011 (XBLA + Gears3 + Forza 4) vs. 2011 ( PS3 'exclusives' + PSN games) with MS coming out on top in terms of sales, reviews, numbers of games, etc.
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#59 El_Zo1212o
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[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] 360 is crushing the PS3 in America, the only region that matters.i5750at4Ghz

Lol. America, F*** Yeah!

Damn Straight!!!

High five, you guys. You guys just picked out exactly why I bought a 360- I buy american: american tools, american cars and american videogame consoles.
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#60 ianuilliam
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[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"][QUOTE="ianuilliam"]Lol. America, F*** Yeah!

El_Zo1212o

Damn Straight!!!

High five, you guys. You guys just picked out exactly why I bought a 360- I buy american: american tools, american cars and american videogame consoles.

Psssst... Your 360 was made in China.

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#61 vashkey
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It's something I would like to have but I really don't think Microsoft could really get a very successful platformer no matter how good it may be. Considering that Nuts and Bolts flopped depsite being from a franchise that had games that sold 3 million plus I don't think Banjo really has what it takes to sell any more.

Sure, Nuts and Bolts wasn't a platformer, but it was a still a great game and it launched at fourty dollars and it had plenty of marketing. I just think Banjo went too long with out a new game to really remain relevant.

I guess theres 'Splosion Man, but I'm not sure how well that would do at retail.

I would love for Microsoft to try and get more consistant high quality properties outside of Halo, Gears, Forza and Fable.

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#62 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

I agree. I would even argue MS's decision to fund countless XBLA games vs. a handful of big 'exclusives' like Sony really paid off over the last year. There is more variety and overall number of quality games.

Would anyone have guessed two or three years ago funding two dozen plus XBLA games in a year + Gears 3, Forza 4 would trump all six or 8 (or whatever) PS3 'exclusives' + PSN games in terms of overall sales and review averages.

I honestly wouldn't have.

KC_Hokie

The bolded part... All those 6 or 8 games sold more than 360 exclusives and one of them has an average higher than any 360 exclusive this year. Also the PS3 has more high scoring exclusives this year. So I don't know what you're talking about

I clearly said 2011 (XBLA + Gears3 + Forza 4) vs. 2011 ( PS3 'exclusives' + PSN games) with MS coming out on top in terms of sales, reviews, numbers of games, etc.

And I'm telling you that in 2011 that's BS. Care to provide a link to all the accumulated sales of 360 games in comparison to PS3 games in 2011 (hint PS3 games come on top) and care to provide a link in term on reviews (hint PS3 games come on top too)
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#63 El_Zo1212o
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[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"][QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] Damn Straight!!!ianuilliam

High five, you guys. You guys just picked out exactly why I bought a 360- I buy american: american tools, american cars and american videogame consoles.

Psssst... Your 360 was made in China.

So are Fords and Chevys, but they're still American companies.
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#64 p4s2p0
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I buy windows so I already support microsoft, I don't need to buy their console if they can't make one right.

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#65 El_Zo1212o
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...Care to provide a link...?kuraimen
hah hah! Frustrating, innit? People making claims without citing references?
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#66 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]

[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"] High five, you guys. You guys just picked out exactly why I bought a 360- I buy american: american tools, american cars and american videogame consoles.El_Zo1212o

Psssst... Your 360 was made in China.

So are Fords and Chevys, but they're still American companies.

Sony Corporation of America is an american company too.
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#67 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"]...Care to provide a link...?El_Zo1212o
hah hah! Frustrating, innit? People making claims without citing references?

No, it's not frustrating just amusing. Specially considering that I wasn't the one who started saying things were fact in this thread without providing any proof. At least my proof is one google search away.
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#68 tomarlyn
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It needs more and better exclusives full stop.
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#69 El_Zo1212o
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Sony Corporation of America is an american company too.kuraimen
Nope. It's an american branch of a Japanese company. And I'm sure his data is one google search away, too. Before you start asking for references, why don't you provide them to the folks who asked you for them first? Lay the gauntlet on the table for real instead? Make them put their money where their mouths are.
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#70 Moriarity_
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[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

I think the 360 needs to bow out and make way for something new. Its days are numbered.

Gamewise, it needs better RPGs.

loosingENDS

Better than Witcher 2, Dark Souls, FF13-2, Mass Effect 3 Kinect, Skyrim with exclusive DLC, Fable 1-2-3-Journey, Oblivion, Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, Tales of Vesperia etc etc etc ?

Seems like the ultimate RPG system this generation to me, by a landslide

PC has more rpg's and the better versions of all those multiplat rpgs. Plus isn't the "exclusive" dlc for skyrim only for 30 days?
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#71 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Sony Corporation of America is an american company too.El_Zo1212o
Nope. It's an american branch of a Japanese company. And I'm sure his data is one google search away, too. Before you start asking for references, why don't you provide them to the folks who asked you for them first? Lay the gauntlet on the table for real instead? Make them put their money where their mouths are.

His data couldn't be a google search away because then they will contradict each other. I haven't seen anywhere that 360 exclusive accumulated sales overcome PS3's I have seen the opposite. I also have seen that a PS3 exclusive has a bigger MC score than any 360 exclusive and that the PS3 has more high scoring exclusives (AAAE, AAE and you can include or exclude AE if you like the result is the same) than the 360. If he has links against any of that I would retract my statement but the burden of proof should lie on that who started too make the fantastic claims. And Sony America hires many americans so if you support it you're supporting americans.
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#72 skilfulgary
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Last time i looked,xbla was packed with enough platformers to fill a fanboy's flame gland.

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#73 Miketheman83
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Platformers are last gen dude. And they have plenty of great ones as arcade games.
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#74 BPoole96
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Needs moar hardcore FPS games for all the hardcore, highly competitive gamers on 360
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#75 campzor
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needs 1st party support (game wise)
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#76 El_Zo1212o
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[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"][QUOTE="kuraimen"]Sony Corporation of America is an american company too.kuraimen
Nope. It's an american branch of a Japanese company. And I'm sure his data is one google search away, too. Before you start asking for references, why don't you provide them to the folks who asked you for them first? Lay the gauntlet on the table for real instead? Make them put their money where their mouths are.

His data couldn't be a google search away because then they will contradict each other. I haven't seen anywhere that 360 exclusive accumulated sales overcome PS3's I have seen the opposite. I also have seen that a PS3 exclusive has a bigger MC score than any 360 exclusive and that the PS3 has more high scoring exclusives (AAAE, AAE and you can include or exclude AE if you like the result is the same) than the 360. If he has links against any of that I would retract my statement but the burden of proof should lie on that who started too make the fantastic claims. And Sony America hires many americans so if you support it you're supporting americans.

1. Yeah... the internet has NEVER contradicted itself. 2. Burden of proof needs to be satisfied by ANYONE making ANY CLAIM and calling it truth. You have consistently refused to do so, so how can you demand it of others? 3. At the end of the day, I prefer to side with the company founded in my home country. Is that unreasonable? After all, 85% or so of the retail software is the same from one system to the next.
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#77 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"][QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"] Nope. It's an american branch of a Japanese company. And I'm sure his data is one google search away, too. Before you start asking for references, why don't you provide them to the folks who asked you for them first? Lay the gauntlet on the table for real instead? Make them put their money where their mouths are.

His data couldn't be a google search away because then they will contradict each other. I haven't seen anywhere that 360 exclusive accumulated sales overcome PS3's I have seen the opposite. I also have seen that a PS3 exclusive has a bigger MC score than any 360 exclusive and that the PS3 has more high scoring exclusives (AAAE, AAE and you can include or exclude AE if you like the result is the same) than the 360. If he has links against any of that I would retract my statement but the burden of proof should lie on that who started too make the fantastic claims. And Sony America hires many americans so if you support it you're supporting americans.

1. Yeah... the internet has NEVER contradicted itself. 2. Burden of proof needs to be satisfied by ANYONE making ANY CLAIM and calling it truth. You have consistently refused to do so, so how can you demand it of others? 3. At the end of the day, I prefer to side with the company founded in my home country. Is that unreasonable? After all, 85% or so of the retail software is the same from one system to the next.

So why don't you bother KC_Hokie with the burden of proof if you're so obsessed by it? And I'm not saying that you should support Sony just that it seems ridiculous to me that people use nationality to side with a company in this day and age when companies certainly are basically multinational.
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#78 Funconsole
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A really good platformer. This is the one thing I think that 360 library lacks. Ratchet and Clank series is really good, plan on getting the new one at some point for the PS3 but...I just hate gaming on that thing.

What do you think? 360 needs a good platformer?

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They've got some good ones over at XBLA
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Mine needs a job, so it actually works.

*ba-dum-tiss*

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#80 HaloPimp978
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It needs Blu-Ray so everything can fit on one disc.

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"] Nope. It's an american branch of a Japanese company. And I'm sure his data is one google search away, too. Before you start asking for references, why don't you provide them to the folks who asked you for them first? Lay the gauntlet on the table for real instead? Make them put their money where their mouths are.El_Zo1212o
His data couldn't be a google search away because then they will contradict each other. I haven't seen anywhere that 360 exclusive accumulated sales overcome PS3's I have seen the opposite. I also have seen that a PS3 exclusive has a bigger MC score than any 360 exclusive and that the PS3 has more high scoring exclusives (AAAE, AAE and you can include or exclude AE if you like the result is the same) than the 360. If he has links against any of that I would retract my statement but the burden of proof should lie on that who started too make the fantastic claims. And Sony America hires many americans so if you support it you're supporting americans.

1. Yeah... the internet has NEVER contradicted itself. 2. Burden of proof needs to be satisfied by ANYONE making ANY CLAIM and calling it truth. You have consistently refused to do so, so how can you demand it of others? 3. At the end of the day, I prefer to side with the company founded in my home country. Is that unreasonable? After all, 85% or so of the retail software is the same from one system to the next.

Companies like MS and Sony aren't "American" or "Japanese" anymore. They are multinational conglomerates. The old "Buy American to support Americans" mentality is outdated. If the company is outsourcing it's jobs to China, you are "buying American to support Chinese." Nothing wrong with that, as long as you're aware that when you're talking about "supporting companies founded in your home country," you aren't actually supporting American workers or the American economy any more than you would be by supporting Sony or any other large multinational corporation.

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#82 savagetwinkie
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The 360 needs more developers and new exclusive series, sure Halo is good and all but I want more focus than just one game and I'm NOT talking about Kinect lol.

Also I want MS to drop the fee to play online, if they did that than Xbox Live would be the best online service, but alas it's not and MS probably isn't going to do that.

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it is the best online service, unfortunately thats why they charge for it...
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#83 AdmiralBison
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Exclusive games, lots of it.lbjkurono23

why?

It's doing fine with out them.

More then another system that seems to be touted for it's exclusives.

And the exclusives it has like Halo and Gears are both critical and financial success, Multiplats perform often are more successful on the Xbox360 too!

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[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] His data couldn't be a google search away because then they will contradict each other. I haven't seen anywhere that 360 exclusive accumulated sales overcome PS3's I have seen the opposite. I also have seen that a PS3 exclusive has a bigger MC score than any 360 exclusive and that the PS3 has more high scoring exclusives (AAAE, AAE and you can include or exclude AE if you like the result is the same) than the 360. If he has links against any of that I would retract my statement but the burden of proof should lie on that who started too make the fantastic claims. And Sony America hires many americans so if you support it you're supporting americans.ianuilliam

1. Yeah... the internet has NEVER contradicted itself. 2. Burden of proof needs to be satisfied by ANYONE making ANY CLAIM and calling it truth. You have consistently refused to do so, so how can you demand it of others? 3. At the end of the day, I prefer to side with the company founded in my home country. Is that unreasonable? After all, 85% or so of the retail software is the same from one system to the next.

Companies like MS and Sony aren't "American" or "Japanese" anymore. They are multinational conglomerates. The old "Buy American to support Americans" mentality is outdated. If the company is outsourcing it's jobs to China, you are "buying American to support Chinese." Nothing wrong with that, as long as you're aware that when you're talking about "supporting companies founded in your home country," you aren't actually supporting American workers or the American economy any more than you would be by supporting Sony or any other large multinational corporation.

yes.

Definately.

We live in an an evermore connecting world. Regions and sovereignty are becoming less meaningful and common interests take over.

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#85 xXShortroundXx
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[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

I think the 360 needs to bow out and make way for something new. Its days are numbered.

Gamewise, it needs better RPGs.

loosingENDS

Better than Witcher 2, Dark Souls, FF13-2, Mass Effect 3 Kinect, Skyrim with exclusive DLC, Fable 1-2-3-Journey, Oblivion, Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, Tales of Vesperia etc etc etc ?

Seems like the ultimate RPG system this generation to me, by a landslide

Witcher 2 - Not on xbox

Dark Souls - Awsome but bad framerate and also on PS3

FF 13 -2 - Not out

ME3 - Not out

Skyrim - Also on PC / PS3 and not out yet

Fable 1,2,3 - Lol

Oblivion - Yes this is amazing, but it's also on PS3 / PC

Lost Odyssey - Embarassing awful

Blue Dragon - 2X worse than Lost Odyssey

Tales of Vesperia - really the Xbox's only good JRPG

Definetly not the best RPG machine this gen. That title goes to the NDS

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#86 El_Zo1212o
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We live in an an evermore connecting world. Regions and sovereignty are becoming less meaningful and common interests take over.AdmiralBison
Maybe you live in that world, and you can keep it. You tell me my country's sovereignty is "less meaningful" than anything and I'll call you a liar. But this is all very off topic and I've already received my complementary mod warning this month.
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#87 Doolz2024
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It needs more core exclusives.
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#88 lbjkurono23
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[QUOTE="lbjkurono23"]Exclusive games, lots of it.AdmiralBison

why?

It's doing fine with out them.

More then another system that seems to be touted for it's exclusives.

And the exclusives it has like Halo and Gears are both critical and financial success, Multiplats perform often are more successful on the Xbox360 too!

Yeah, to bad I can't play sales numbers, but you go ahead and have fun with those. I'm sure you can get heavily immersed in that universe.
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#89 doubalfa
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Right now, I'm ok with my xbox, I have a bunch of games yet to play, and there are still games coming, the only gripe I would have is if the next consoel starts again with the Halo/Fable/Forza trilogy, I'd like to see new franchises for the xbox 360, heck they had new IP's this generation but they messed Crackdown with crackdown 2, Alan Wake was solid but I guess they could release another one, also with the Rare franchises they could have something else to show up (Jet Force gemini, Banjo-kazooie, Conker, Killer Instinct and Perfect Dark) and well on the XBLA platform they're doing a terrific job.
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#90 loosingENDS
Member since 2011 • 11793 Posts

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I think the 360 needs to bow out and make way for something new. Its days are numbered.

Gamewise, it needs better RPGs.

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Better than Witcher 2, Dark Souls, FF13-2, Mass Effect 3 Kinect, Skyrim with exclusive DLC, Fable 1-2-3-Journey, Oblivion, Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, Tales of Vesperia etc etc etc ?

Seems like the ultimate RPG system this generation to me, by a landslide

Witcher 2 - Not on xbox

Dark Souls - Awsome but bad framerate and also on PS3

FF 13 -2 - Not out

ME3 - Not out

Skyrim - Also on PC / PS3 and not out yet

Fable 1,2,3 - Lol

Oblivion - Yes this is amazing, but it's also on PS3 / PC

Lost Odyssey - Embarassing awful

Blue Dragon - 2X worse than Lost Odyssey

Tales of Vesperia - really the Xbox's only good JRPG

Definetly not the best RPG machine this gen. That title goes to the NDS

Witcher 2 is coming to xbox 360