What was so great about early tomb raider games?

Hello friends,

I have seen now people criticize newer tomb raider games. lot of them criticize it turn into uncharted clone and not a tomb raider anymore.

but lets look at older entries. those games people praise so much. Lot of my friends back in days were fan of them. mainly because one of the first 3D titles. sure these games have some puzzles but the gameplay in general suck, the camera and controls are awful. its almost unplayable. and after first 3 games. these games started to get negative reviews until crystal dynamic first reboot it as TR legend. and those games were not even good to begin with despite imrpoving controls and camera.

so my friends, what was so great about early tomb raider games?

They were great at the time and it’s easy to have fond memories of them but they can’t compete with modern games. That is the case for most games. It was a new thing and fascinating to play a 3D game at the time. Having a sexy woman character was sort of a new thing too.

The new Tomb Raider games do not stand out against the other games available now like the old ones did and no longer have the same impact.

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1.Controls don't suck. Only because they require a little training makes casuals call the controls "broken"

2.They were the first 3D games that the camera was behind the character.(Which all the developers began to copy. even Remedy copied this from them)

3.They had a pretty huge areas to explore.

4.They also had a great amount of Booby Traps that were pretty interesting.

5.Great platforming and I think it was the first 3D game were you could swim in the water.

Edit: These games also had a great atmosphere.

Pointy boobs. But I fondly remember the Legend trilogy.

They did suck. especially on KB/M.

Remedy may copy it but turn into masterpiece with max payne 1. something tomb raider never did.

@ghosts4ever: And yet Max Payne was never as successful as Tomb Raider. And Max Payne games sucked badly on consoles due to bad controls.(For some reason they were also forced to add loading screens between the levels)

And what makes the controls suck ? I think you only say that because it doesn't have a mouse support.

Edit: The controls only sucked in Tomb Raider angel of darkness which was due to Sony forcing Core Design to make the movements via analogue stick instead of D-Pad.(And a modder managed to bring back the tank controls in that game)

Back then?

For one It was original!

And it had cutting edge 3D graphics at the time. On top of being an action adventure game with platforming and shooting as well as puzzle solving using a bold female protagonist. Last there were no better alternatives to compare to when they were released.

Now, not so much.

Her bewbs.

OP is such a fckin noob, ubelievable.

Please stick to your kiddy shooters like DOOM that require no amount of cognitive abilities.

TR 2 was great and the controls were good for that time. They're classics and still great to this day imo, (unless you're a noob that sucks and blames it on controls)

Music, atmosphere, gameplay, characters, story were unmatched for the time. Puzzles and combat and exploration were great for the era.

Lol remember when lems used to say that ROTTR is like the 2nd coming of jesus. Then it went to PS4 ?

I can understand how i'd be difficult for someone who might not have played them when they released to understand, but we're supposed to be the group that should have had that experience.

People might not appreciate something like Shenmue now, but when it released in 99 it was freaking ground breakingly amazing, you just had to be there and experience it during that time to get it.

LOL without Doom you would not be playing TR1. that game based the foundation of 3D games.

TR2 suck and so are latest Casual Reboots. back in 90s there were much better and more intelligent games like System shock 2 and Half life 1.

@ghosts4ever: And By that logic I can say that without flight sim games you wouldn't play any doom.

Max payne 1 was very successful. 2 was commercial faliure and tomb raider begin commercial failure after 3rd and 4th. remember 5th core design game. recieved negative reviews from critics and gamers alike as a result crystal dynamics has to reboot it.

So...which one of those games was a third person 3D action adventure platformer with with puzzles, shooting, exploration and a lead female protagonist?

Some things I ride with you on, but not this one.

You're trying a little to hard, those games you listed are nothing like Tomb Raider so you kind of fall flat trying to use them as substitutions for Tomb Raider.

The new Doom is for edgy children and Max Payne 1 and 2 are flops compared to the old tomb raiders.

Go back to playing your shitty new Fps's. Retro gaming isn't for you noob

Retro gaming to me is Deus Ex, System shock, max payne and half life. not some shitty tomb raider games with terrible controls.

Max payne 1 was huge success. and its gameplay blow anything tomb raider out of water.

another third person game Mafia 1 also blow tomb raider out of water with having most deep story of all time.

also new Doom sum up how to do FPS when most modern FPS become hand holding aim down the sight with multiplayer.

Well, if it wasn't for the success that....original third person, action adventure, shooting, gameplay focused Tomb Raider games had, Max Payne wouldn't exist!

Most of the elements you love in Max Payne were originated in Tomb Raider

hmm..

Hello yourself.

@ghosts4ever: I can see why you didn’t like the controls if you were trying to play the original Tomb Raider on PC with a keyboard and mouse. That is completely absurd and not the right way at all. Some types of games are meant to be played with a controller and if you can’t deal with that you should stear clear of them and not criticize them. Fighting games and 2D side scrollers aren’t great with keyboard and mouse either. Doesn’t mean that street fighter and super Mario have bad controls. In Tomb Raider the controls are antiquated but were good at the time.

"terrible controls" you just suck. Go play dumbed down garbage like the new doom u noob

Another TR thread by ghosts. Yawn

You could literally lock up the butler into the fridge room, what's not great about it?

yes terrible controls on keyboard and mouse specially.

and why bring Doom into the discussion when its irrelevant?

dumbed down is something like last of us and uncharted which are movie games and consist of hand holding. and now its spiderman. and you like them.

try playing 90s immerisve sim like system shock, Thief and Deus Ex. now thats what i call hardcore. not shitty control like tomb raider with terrible combat too.

Wrong, Mario 64 did this.

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-04-12-what-made-super-mario-64-so-special

The game seems like a pioneer because it became the template for true 3D design - and so is now something of a legendary creation.

Sorry, darling, a kid game became the template for everything we have nowadays.

Those movie games are much better than any of the garbage you play on PC.

When's the last time you hermits got a AAA exclusive? Have fun with console ports though.

@knight-k said:

Those movie games are much better than any of the garbage you play on PC.

When's the last time you hermits got a AAA exclusive? Have fun with console ports though.

if i was a fan of interactive movie. i would have bought PS4. but not now. most games are multiplats anyways. also total wars. not a fan but certainly more hardcore and intelligent than any thing on console.

beside you bring first Doom into this discussion not me. this thread is about TR and other third person games.

I can give you MGS1. a PS1 game (kind of third person) but was much better game than tomb raider or any PS4 movie exclusive.

@ghosts4ever: Seriously, keyboard and mouse? There is a time and a place for that control scheme and third person adventure games aren’t really it. Why can’t hermits use controllers for games that were clearly designed for them? It’s not that hard. If you hate controllers then don’t play games that you should be using a controller for.

Lara had HUGE BOOBS, wasp waist and BIG AZZ.

@ghosts4ever said:

@knight-k said:

Those movie games are much better than any of the garbage you play on PC.

When's the last time you hermits got a AAA exclusive? Have fun with console ports though.

if i was a fan of interactive movie. i would have bought PS4. but not now. most games are multiplats anyways. also total wars. not a fan but certainly more hardcore and intelligent than any thing on console.

beside you bring first Doom into this discussion not me. this thread is about TR and other third person games.

I can give you MGS1. a PS1 game (kind of third person) but was much better game than tomb raider or any PS4 movie exclusive.

GOW - 93 MC.

Does PC have a 93 MC exclusive from 2013 until today? lol

They can and they do it. Ghosts is a moron that believes that only FPS games are good games.

you know most of critics review hype and popularity. and most of reviewers are paid to give high score to a popular game.

thats why GTA get 10/10 everytime.

also

https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/divinity-original-sin-ii

this. 93.

@recloud: I do realize there are plenty of PC gamers that have no problem using a controller. But there is this weird faction of them that think everything should work on keyboard and mouse. Learn to use a controller or just limit yourself to games that are designed with keyboard and mouse in mind. Seems simple enough.

@ghosts4ever: Why are you here? You don't play games lol

@ghosts4ever said:

@knight-k said:

Those movie games are much better than any of the garbage you play on PC.

When's the last time you hermits got a AAA exclusive? Have fun with console ports though.

if i was a fan of interactive movie. i would have bought PS4. but not now.most games are multiplats anyways. also total wars. not a fan but certainly more hardcore and intelligent than any thing on console.

beside you bring first Doom into this discussion not me. this thread is about TR and other third person games.

I can give you MGS1. a PS1 game (kind of third person) but was much better game than tomb raider or any PS4 movie exclusive.

So...you honestly, you don't have a clue how those PS4 exclusives that you called movies actual play.

Man, you're batting a thousand here....

Fact is, if you liked Max Payne, you'd love Horizon Zero Dawn but you're too wound up in trying to validate your PC purchase to come to grips with the fact that better games have been made...just not for your platform of choice.

Nutthugging multiplats because that's the best games PC gets is making you blind.

Divinity OS2 is not exclusive.

https://store.playstation.com/en-us/product/UP3526-CUSA12611_00-ORIGINALSIN2DE01

Owned by your lack of knowledge and you hate RPGs.

No exclusive on PC better than GOW.

Nah, he likes Max Payne...but he's stuck in the past because he's a slave to multiplats because those are the only AAA's PC ever gets so he tries to pretend nothing else better has ever came along because no other multiplats filled it's shoes.

Max Payne is a 3rd person, story driven action adventure single player game and he vocally loves it...ironically the games he bashed from PS4 exclusives library are exactly the same type of games.

horrizon is open world game. so not interested. max payne is linear bullet time shooter that no developer has made a better one.

also i prefer playing as male characters. maybe its a coincide but portal is only exception that i really like.

@tgob89: He won't play any game that doesn't have guns in it. Lists Divinity: Original Sin 2 to defend PC but doesn't even play RPG's lmao

Every new thing I read from you shows me how insecure you are. smh

The controls are bad. From 1996 with Tomb Raider to Shadow of the Tomb Raider, 2018.

As far as 3d third person games goes I doubt it was the first but MDK the following year was a better controlling game. Then Prince of Persia the Sands of Time in 2003 showed how a 3d puzzle platformer could control really well and old Lara was booking her next lipo suction appointment.

The first game had decent 3d graphics comparatively, but by the second game they were already lagging behind the times.

She used to look like Angelina Jolie (good) now she looks like Keira Knightley (not so good).

For a game with very little to offer above looking at Lara's butt they shot themselves in the foot when they made her girl next door. Before she was regal, now she's plucky, that's all wrong.

And Divinity is not exclusive lmao

If all he enjoys is hardcore homo erotic muscle men shooters that’s fine but he has no business discussing the quality or lack there of of any other type of game that might have a woman in it.

There was nothing great about them because it had female lead. It should've had manly man character with big ass muscles and loudy far.t noises.

Whats so great about doom? nothing.

lol man you lack knowledge about these games you want to dismiss, HZD is LITERALLY that slow mo shooting as a built in element of gameplay!

And I also HATE virtually every open world game this gen. The Witcher 3, GTA V, MGS V...ALL THE AAAs! The last open world game I really enjoyed before now was Morrowind Elder Scrolls 3

I actually share your opinion on most of your unpopular view points that everybody else gets mad at, so our tastes aren't that far apart.

I also thought I would hate Horizon Zero Dawn for being open world, so I waited and got it on sale but damn, the game blew my mind and is my top game this generation because it's so freaking good!

You can try to dismiss it, but I'm telling you as someone who also enjoyed the Max Payne games, HZD is like the open world sci-fi version of it that doesn't feel like other boring open world games.

The gameplay is fantastic.

why people bringing doom into this discussion? i respect people who like tomb raider.

if you bring it. then i can say everything. fast paced, excellent level design, no aim down the sight, no cover system, tons of weapons and enemy types etc.