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#1 xYamatox
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I just recently bought Conviction due to it being rather cheap, and I gotta say, I'm having a blast with the game. I remember when the game first released, a lot of people were bashing it to death. It's a solid title, that has amazing co-op, so I'm not sure what was wrong with it...

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#2 Espada12
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Play the splinter cell games before and you will see!

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#3 ThePsTriple
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Its been watered down for the 360 fanbase
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#4 vashkey
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Its been watered down for the 360 fanbaseThePsTriple
That kind of made no sense since Splinter Cell started as and has always been an xbox game.
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Its been watered down for the 360 fanbaseThePsTriple
this^ lol.
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#6 ThePsTriple
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[QUOTE="ThePsTriple"]Its been watered down for the 360 fanbasevashkey
That kind of made no sense since Splinter Cell started as and has always been an xbox game.

Yeh... the xbox and xbox 360 are two different consoles with different fanbases.
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#7 mysterj
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Its been watered down for the 360 fanbaseThePsTriple
It's always been a console game, watering down yes, just for the 360 fanbase not really.
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#8 johny300
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Play the splinter cell games before and you will see!

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Yeah and also you have to play Quntom theory.
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#9 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/1684-Splinter-Cell-Conviction. Edit: In case anyone is unaware of Yahtzee, please be aware that there will probably be language and such in this video.
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#10 johny300
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Lol i meant chaos theory.
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#11 ThePsTriple
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[QUOTE="ThePsTriple"]Its been watered down for the 360 fanbasemysterj
It's always been a console game, watering down yes, just for the 360 fanbase not really.

So who was it watered down for then?
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#12 Filthybastrd
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I just recently bought Conviction due to it being rather cheap, and I gotta say, I'm having a blast with the game. I remember when the game first released, a lot of people were bashing it to death. It's a solid title, that has amazing co-op, so I'm not sure what was wrong with it...

xYamatox

I think that what's wrong with it is that it should'nt have been called Splinter Cell.

MGS4 plays like an MGS game. Conviction does'nt play like Splinter Cell.

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#13 CuteCakes
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I just recently bought Conviction due to it being rather cheap, and I gotta say, I'm having a blast with the game. I remember when the game first released, a lot of people were bashing it to death. It's a solid title, that has amazing co-op, so I'm not sure what was wrong with it...

xYamatox
Nothing is wrong with it. It's a good game with some excellent moments. Isn't anything too special though.
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#14 vashkey
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[QUOTE="ThePsTriple"]Its been watered down for the 360 fanbasevashkey
That kind of made no sense since Splinter Cell started as and has always been an xbox game.

Which explains why all the same game series that were successful on the original xbox are successful on the 360, right?
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#15 ThePsTriple
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[QUOTE="vashkey"][QUOTE="ThePsTriple"]Its been watered down for the 360 fanbasevashkey
That kind of made no sense since Splinter Cell started as and has always been an xbox game.

Which explains why all the same game series that were successful on the original xbox are successful on the 360, right?

So your saying both the original xbox and the 360 share the exact same fanbases?
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Nothing really, it's just be Hollywoodized and the Ubisoft DRM also killed the PC version.
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#17 vashkey
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[QUOTE="ThePsTriple"][QUOTE="vashkey"][QUOTE="vashkey"] That kind of made no sense since Splinter Cell started as and has always been an xbox game.

Which explains why all the same game series that were successful on the original xbox are successful on the 360, right?

So your saying both the original xbox and the 360 share the exact same fanbases?

It's expanded. Many of those gamers that were into Halo, Rainbox Six, Call of Duty, Morrowind, Splinter Cell, Fable and Kotor are still there. The proof is in the success of their 360 successors. But clearly theres a wider range of gamers who have 360s, proof being in the success of games like Rock Band, Final Fantasy XIII, Resident Evil 5 and Assassin's Creed.
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#19 xYamatox
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Play the splinter cell games before and you will see!

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I played Splinter Cell and Chaos Theory before. Conviction doesn't feel too different from previous entries. Yes, it may be more linear, but the core Splinter Cell gameplay is still there...

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#20 barney_calhoun_
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The game is as good at all the ones before it, its just that its too different while still trying to be a fully stealth game. The watered down for the 360 fanbase makes no reason since Splinter Cell has always been multiplataform
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#21 chaplainDMK
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[QUOTE="ThePsTriple"]Its been watered down for the 360 fanbasevashkey
That kind of made no sense since Splinter Cell started as and has always been an xbox game.

Big differance between Xbox and Xbox 360.
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#22 Sp4rtan_3
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If you've played the other SC game's you'd see whats wrong with convictions.
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#23 Sp4rtan_3
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[QUOTE="vashkey"][QUOTE="ThePsTriple"]Its been watered down for the 360 fanbasechaplainDMK
That kind of made no sense since Splinter Cell started as and has always been an xbox game.

Big differance between Xbox and Xbox 360.

Whats this big difference ?
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#24 kipohippo021
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I loved the game, just because it wasnt traditional splinter cell style dosent make it bad. Its the start of a new era for sam, hopefully, i liked this game better than the others.
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#25 loadedboon
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I just recently bought Conviction due to it being rather cheap, and I gotta say, I'm having a blast with the game. I remember when the game first released, a lot of people were bashing it to death. It's a solid title, that has amazing co-op, so I'm not sure what was wrong with it...

xYamatox

The problem is Ubisoft turned awesome stealth games into a mindless TPS'er known as Splinter Cell: Conviction

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#26 VoodooHak
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I didn't find anything wrong with it. It was an evolution that the series was in dire need of.

I've played all the Splinter Cells and although Chaos Theory is my fave, Conviction comes in a very close second. Narratively, it's the best of the bunch. If anything, the gameplay changes were too much for SC purists to handle, but that doesn't necessarily make it bad. Just a bit different.

All in all, an excellent game.

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#27 xYamatox
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[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

I just recently bought Conviction due to it being rather cheap, and I gotta say, I'm having a blast with the game. I remember when the game first released, a lot of people were bashing it to death. It's a solid title, that has amazing co-op, so I'm not sure what was wrong with it...

loadedboon

The problem is Ubisoft turned awesome stealth games into a mindless TPS'er known as Splinter Cell: Conviction

Not sure what was so, "mindless" about it. If you get shot a few times, you die outright. Executions help streamline the gameplay, but it's not like you HAVE to use it...I'm pretty sure you can get through most of the game just sneaking though (I could be wrong, though).

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#28 loadedboon
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[QUOTE="loadedboon"]

[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

I just recently bought Conviction due to it being rather cheap, and I gotta say, I'm having a blast with the game. I remember when the game first released, a lot of people were bashing it to death. It's a solid title, that has amazing co-op, so I'm not sure what was wrong with it...

xYamatox

The problem is Ubisoft turned awesome stealth games into a mindless TPS'er known as Splinter Cell: Conviction

Not sure what was so, "mindless" about it. If you get shot a few times, you die outright. Executions help streamline the gameplay, but it's not like you HAVE to use it...I'm pretty sure you can get through most of the game just sneaking though (I could be wrong, though).

Like someonelse already said play the older Splinter Cell games and see the difference between the games.

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#29 doobie1975
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[QUOTE="mysterj"][QUOTE="ThePsTriple"]Its been watered down for the 360 fanbaseThePsTriple
It's always been a console game, watering down yes, just for the 360 fanbase not really.

So who was it watered down for then?

the last splinter cell didn't sell to well so they took it in a different direction.
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#30 xYamatox
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[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

[QUOTE="loadedboon"]

The problem is Ubisoft turned awesome stealth games into a mindless TPS'er known as Splinter Cell: Conviction

loadedboon

Not sure what was so, "mindless" about it. If you get shot a few times, you die outright. Executions help streamline the gameplay, but it's not like you HAVE to use it...I'm pretty sure you can get through most of the game just sneaking though (I could be wrong, though).

Like someonelse already said play the older Splinter Cell games and see the difference between the games.

Like I already said, I played the first Splinter Cell and Chaos Theory...

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[QUOTE="loadedboon"]

[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

I just recently bought Conviction due to it being rather cheap, and I gotta say, I'm having a blast with the game. I remember when the game first released, a lot of people were bashing it to death. It's a solid title, that has amazing co-op, so I'm not sure what was wrong with it...

xYamatox

The problem is Ubisoft turned awesome stealth games into a mindless TPS'er known as Splinter Cell: Conviction

Not sure what was so, "mindless" about it. If you get shot a few times, you die outright. Executions help streamline the gameplay, but it's not like you HAVE to use it...I'm pretty sure you can get through most of the game just sneaking though (I could be wrong, though).

Much of the game, yes, but not all. But that's ok, because when the tactics switch to all action, it makes sense in the story.

Regardless, one of the main complaints about the SC series in general was that his hand to hand skills were garbage and that he didn't have a big enough repetoir of offensive moves in case stealth failed. On top of that, people always complained about the trial and error gameplay.

Conviction directly addresses those. In my eyes, it was probably the best thing they could have done.

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#32 loadedboon
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[QUOTE="loadedboon"]

[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

Not sure what was so, "mindless" about it. If you get shot a few times, you die outright. Executions help streamline the gameplay, but it's not like you HAVE to use it...I'm pretty sure you can get through most of the game just sneaking though (I could be wrong, though).

xYamatox

Like someonelse already said play the older Splinter Cell games and see the difference between the games.

Like I already said, I played the first Splinter Cell and Chaos Theory...

Oh guess I missed it then. Well anyway if you think it's a good game while you played the superiour older games then that's your well earned right as a gamer but I don't agree. To me Conviction is nothing more then a downgrade compared to the older games.

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#33 lundy86_4
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It's a departure from the past games. It was good, but compared to games like Chaos Theory it's like dog poop on it's foot.

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#34 Anjunaddict
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It was a good game, but i wasn't fond of the direction they took the series. If I could choose, i'd pick old school splinter cell gameplay over conviction gameplay.
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#35 Magik85
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Theres nothing wrong with Conviction....its good game. Its just not as good as previous Splinter games.
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#36 CuteCakes
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Special mention to the atrocious Unreal 2.5 engine they used :roll:
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Special mention to the atrocious Unreal 2.5 engine they used :roll:CuteCakes
the same atrocious Unreal 2.5 engine that the beautiful bioshock was created on ?

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#38 Nisim19
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its was better then any SC game but it was too short
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#39 WhenCicadasCry
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Compared to Chaos Theory, which is one of the greatest games I've ever played, it was utter ****. Majorly disappointed. :cry:

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[QUOTE="CuteCakes"]Special mention to the atrocious Unreal 2.5 engine they used :roll:doobie1975

the same atrocious Unreal 2.5 engine that the beautiful bioshock was created on ?

Tech affects more then just graphics. :roll:

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#41 AAllxxjjnn
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The level design and gameplay just feel contrived.
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#42 Ninja-Hippo
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Have you played Chaos Theory? Conviction more or less bastardized the game just like ubi soft have done with every other successful tom clancy series in the name of more sales. It replaced stealth with action.
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#43 MathMattS
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I loved Conviction. My only gripe is that, in some respects, they made it too much of a shooter. But it still had really good stealth, and it has an awesome story-- it does a great job of continuing the Splinter Cell saga.

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#44 millerlight89
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Well the game got streamlined and is now so simplistic it does not even feel like Splinter Cell. However it is still a good game in its own right.
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#45 kobraka1
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nothing. it was a good game. multiplayer was good too. it was just a little short and had some really horible missions like the one where you rescue Sam.

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#46 brickdoctor
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8.0 is a solid score. :? It's not the best in the series though.

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It's not Splinter Cell. It still makes me sad how much it was bastardized. :cry:
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#48 doobie1975
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[QUOTE="doobie1975"]

[QUOTE="CuteCakes"]Special mention to the atrocious Unreal 2.5 engine they used :roll:WhenCicadasCry

the same atrocious Unreal 2.5 engine that the beautiful bioshock was created on ?

Tech affects more then just graphics. :roll:

all of which were still great in bioshock
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#49 Solid_Tango
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it wasnt stealthy at all.. seriously i felt like i was playing another cover and shoot mindless action game, i miss the old school splinter cell... chaos theory was awesome
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#50 jasonharris48
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Its been watered down for the 360 fanbaseThePsTriple
Really now? No it suffered the same thing most Ubisoft games to come out this gen. It was dumbed down to cater the casual gamer in general.