What will be more powerful, the PlayStation 4.5/4K/NEO or the Nintendo NX?

It won't be as I expect Nintendo to price the NX at $299.99. No way in hell is the NX gonna be a $399.99 console like the PS4 Neo.

So does the GC

The philosophy of Nintendo's management has never been power-oriented if it doesn't service game design, and Miyamoto is more fond of reimaginings than putting more horsepower under the hood. So I don't have any expectation that the NX will have qualitatively superior specifications than the PS4k

no shit Sherlock... Still a very noticeable upgrade to the most powerful console ever released.

Awesome, thanks CAPTAIN OBVIOUS!

They could very well reach 2x performance or be very close to it. Its not just the CUs and what not. It is a new improved GCN with new instructions as well. Even the questionable modest cpu improvement in reality is probably much more valuable then the number suggest. Ps4k will most likely be more efficient than the current ps4 allowing OS to yield even more resources to Gaming. Better numbers more resources newer gcn possibly design to take further advantages of the new apis in a more native way.

The PS4.5.

PS4.5 probably based on how Nintendo seems to be behind one generation with the wii u, they're catching up.

Based on the new specs, it is more like the PS4.1

Lol me too, it's even doubtful that the NX will be more powerful than the normal PS4. I mean we're talking about Nintendo here.

Lemmonz hiding behind PC again?

What? The N64 marked the beginning of the fall of Nintendo. On paper the N64 was a great machine, and it produced some very clean visuals but it was hamstrung by cartridge memory limitations. Textures were often washed out and nondescript. Don't even get me started on all the fog.

I am a CowLemHerm, and I hide behind my PS4, Xbox One and PC. LOTS of space back here to hide. It's like a mansion, square footage is real yo.

I think they will be equal because it looks like the old PS4 is holding the Neo back because it looks like devs could be able to really push the new hardware but Sony isn't allowing them, for now. So #GreatmessAwaits still.

Sony are just baiting Nintendo into showing their hand with this crapping looking upgraded PS4 neo thinking Nintendo will show's the spec's of the NX

Why do think Nintendo hasn't talked about or revealed the NX's spec yet, because they know Sony are waiting until they do so they can make the PS4 neo a little bit more powerful and still be the most powerful Next Gen system on the market

I know. Lems pretend to favor multiplatforms this generation especially PC. However, if you read their rhetoric it is clearly Pro MS.

I'm thinking they will be really close and that will be all Sony needs to criple NX being that it will be able to access the large and currently growing PS4 lineup.

Actually upon thinking about, this was a genius move by Sony pretty much killing any 3rd party incentive to make exclusive games for NX simple because it was a new more powerful unit than the current PS4/xbone consoles.

It makes any japanese studio almost HAVE to develop for both PS4/neo as well NX if they are thinking of making a new project.

That is true. Similar to cows.

Then you have the old folks like me who have enjoyed gaming on all systems since the early 70's. Showing my age!!

PS4.5 (PS Neo) has very good specs at 400 dollar price point.

I think it would be a miracle if nintendo could match it at similar price point.

@shibua: The Neo isn't much of an upgrade so I pick the NX, but the worst thing about this is MS will probably not want to be left behind and also release an upgraded console so that means another 3 new systems to buy and that's just ridiculous in a gen that's only 2yrs old"

I agree. I'm not buying a new PS or Xbox anytime soon just because they may be a bit more powerful.

I feel like people knocking the PS4 Neo specs don't understand what they are looking at. This is a substantial upgrade on multiple fronts.

I don't believe the NX will be this powerful. I think the rumored ~PS4-level power is likely, and I think it's not a good choice on Nintendo's end if true.

You mean the era where Nintendo held onto ancient tech to the detriment of their stranglehold over the industry. They lost squaresoft and that was the beginning of the end.

Is that the era you want?

You may be right. I'll just keep my expectations tempered a bit until we see some official stuff.

Either way, I'm picking one up this year.

This is the only gen where the more powerful console is the lead. Usually graphics never led to better sales.

Maybe for say, a Chromebook. It is a trivial upgrade.

What leaked specs? There were no numbers ever posted. Just vague comments like "No worse than PS4."

@kvally: no, it's not. Of course it could be greater, but then the cost would be greater and Sony knows what happens when they go down that road.

You're looking at ~30% faster compute times PER core with the "modest" CPU upgrade, faster RAM to offset some of the existing limitations with the GDDR5-oriented design, and a GPU ~R9 380x (based on the details currently available; more CUs than a 380x, lower clock rate). It is a new improved GCN with new instructions as well. These specs will make pushing games at 1080p 60/90 substantially easier for developers without scaling back eye candy, when compared to the PS4. No PC gamer would look at another PC gamer and say "nah, Radeon 7850 to an R9 380x isn't worth it" (even if they would recommend a 390x in the same breath)

Cow land confirmed.

There's evidence behind the conclusion in the poll. Its not like Nintendo has focused on power the last 6-8 years which is what leads many to think the 4.5 will be more powerful.

This isn't a which console will have more exclusives/games poll.

@rekonmeister: The N64 was gimped by the cartridge format.

Did anyone who answered NX consider what Nintendo has been putting out for the past 10 years?

PS4K, because Nintendo.

NX doesn't stand a chance.

What about the third option? This is a great opportunity for MS to retake the initiative. Make a console that is 25% more powerful than Neo and let Sony eat crow.

@Sushiglutton: O you know Microsoft creepin on a come up. Them dudes would do anything to make their fans happy too, theyre kinda scary. Will be fun to see their next move.

The most powerful console name is NEO!

I can't believe that I recently watched most of the The Matrix trilogy a few days ago and then see that the PS4.5 is codenamed Neo.

Dont think stronger hardware would help Nintendo, they still have no 3party support anyway, probably.

lol, this shit reminds me of when some of the cows were calling the CELL CPU, the neural net Skynet processor from Terminator, because of the many cores.

Nintendo fans have spent the last two generations now proclaiming to anyone that will listen that power doesn't matter.

And the second rumours come out that they may actually compete this time, the mask instantly slips. It did before the reality of the Wii U was shown, then it was back to this fraud.

Of course, power does matter.

yes, it is. We have been discussing this in great length at gaf. The CPU is still a massive bottleneck, and the PS4 would still struggle with 30-60fps games. Modest upgrade to CPU is really more like a minor upgrade. Not to mention, developers are even struggling today with PC's and getting proper performance out of them, when they are night and day more powerful than the PS4.1, PS4 and XB1. It truly is a minuscule upgrade. The best we will get out of it will be more 1080p games, still a stuggle for 60fps and maybe the ability to upscale, MAYBE. In reality, its rumored to debut for the sole purpose of better VR support.

Don't tell them that. Sheep have been saing that for 2 generations and the lems are definitely on board now.

probably the neo.

i dont think nintendo is going to go mad with the NX. itll be the hardware they need to get their games running at a performance level they are happy with and making development as easy as possible for them.

i think itll roughly be about 50% more powerful than the current PS4 at most. it may have the most ram (because monolithsoft will be looking for it mainly) but i think itll have a slightly weaker CPU and a slighlty more buff GPU than the PS4.

the NX is not going to be a beast at all. well its unlikely to be a beast...never say never with nintendo. but it probably wont be.

If the NEO or 4k are substantial steps forward in power then they are successors in disguise. I don't care how they try to spin it and so much for your battle against the Wii U's lifespan of what... 4 years?

@kvally: I disagree, and don't really care what has been discussed extensively at the GAF by people I don't know and whose level of knowledge of these issues is unknown to me. I'm not sure what you are expecting at a $400 price point. The real issue here is not the CPU at all - that's a perspective based on archaic forms of development and architecture, when we relied more on brute force clock speed and not parallel processing. For example, popular perspective has long held that AMD CPUs are "vastly inferior to a good i5" and that had long been very true. It is still true, to some degree, but as developers are embracing parallel processing this is becoming increasingly less accurate. Cores over clockspeed. A 500MHz boost across 8 cores is big for any game that properly makes use of that architecture.

Referencing development issues with PC is kind of a dodge of the issue as well - that comes down to sloppy porting and poor optimization.

Now, the REAL issue with this system is that it's still based on an APU - the CPU and GPU will be vying for memory resources constantly. So both will suffer from that; 8GB doesn't go far in that scenario. But, again, it probably wouldn't be so cheap if not designed this way.

This is a compelling package at $400. Note: I'm not in favor of this. I think it's a bad move from Sony and will not be buying one - at least not until software for the OG PS4 dries up. So I'm not "defending" the product. It is simply incorrect that this is going to be barely more powerful than the existing PS4

*edit* - P.S. - I never said we'd be getting >1080p games. We will likely get 4k scaling with this for the games, but that's not the same thing as 4k gaming. I doubt even PS5 will support native 4k, personally

what about the patent they just released? that can greatly boost the NX power. Im surprised nobody is speaking about it yet

@flyincloud1116: At the end of the day, we all want better stuff. Better graphics, better sound, better gameplay, better everything. Power enables better graphics, bigger, more detailed worlds and less restrictions on what can be done. So anyone saying power doesn't matter is merely a corporate slave and needs to grow up. It's been the driving factor of every generation since it started. If we were still playing on Atari 2600 level consoles I would have given up a long time ago.