What will you do if we get same hardware jump next get?

November 2005 pc vs xbox 360

November 2013 pc vs xbox one

tell me you dont see a difference

If that was the case... it would be crazy to think that I would not have to upgrade my PC for 3 generations. It would crush the false argument base on the myth that PC gamers need to buy new parts every couple months.

the more powerful consoles are the better will be for PC too since the grand majority of games are multiplats and use the same assets anyway. I was happy with the jump this gen and will most likely be happy with next-gen's too. Now if the jump were as weak as Nintendo's GC to Wii to Wii U then that'd be a real issue to me.

If some great exclusives come out on them then I'll still bite. That's all that matters to me on the console front.

I will keep on gaming with PlayStation as long as physical media exists. I will quit gaming if Digital Distribution/streaming is the only option.

Microsoft is dead to me because I had 4 broken 360's and refuse to give them any more money.

Nintendo is dead to me because the wii and wii u are terrible and I have outgrow nintendos childish games.

I wouldn't care as long as the exclusives games that I like are coming to the console

So youre happy with the jump from Xbox360 to Xbone?

Yeah, graphics are the last thing I'm worried about these days. If I'm disappointed in anything it's what devs are choosing to do with the hardware. Constantly blowing their load on trying to squeeze out a few more polys and pixels is getting old. I'd rather see them trying to push boundaries and stuff like ai and physics. Though of course we can't really blame the devs when gamers are always begging for the eye candy.

I'm a graphics whore in the sense that if I'm going to play the game anyways, I want to play the best version, but that's about it.

Even if the hardware jump is significant next gen, it's not like we'll see some huge stair-step evolution in visuals. Diminishing returns is indeed a reality and we've already been witnessing it for a good while. Advances in visual fidelity are going to be baby steps from here on out, barring some technological breakthrough in affordable computing.

Well, performance improvement is itself already sabotaged, surely a good deal of the performance jump had to do with both MS and Sony releasing consoles that cost a great deal more than they sold for (like between 6th & 7th gen), unless we have that again. Plus, gameplay performance has been hindered by the arbitrary standard of 1080p/60fps. If next gen we have people saying everything has to be 4K 120fps we're gonna be wasting our performance advantage over the previous gen.

It's the exclusives that drive me to buy a console and they usually run well.

this is the first time ive seen heil 68 supporting the xbox...

The sad thing is that it wont be another huge leap. I'm honestly willing to bet the PS5 and the next gen Xbox wont even come close to touching my current rig in performance.

To be honest, this gen has been a disappointment; and it has little to do with power.

Wii U has been a great console however.

Meh, I'll still buy a MS/Sony console (probably not at launch though).

I have a feeling that MS's.........X2(?) unveiling will be full of apologies.

I for one, would love to have seen this gen's consoles launched with the power of a high end PC. At least that way we could have actually seen some kind of leap instead of consoles barely catching up.

buy nintendo.

I'd buy them anyway (at least SONY's machine).

Do people have short term memories? If you do some research back in the 1990s PCs playing online was already happening. Very few consoles supported online play in the 90s and it didn't really take off until the 7th gen era for consoles when we seen millions and millions of people hop online.

That's why 4K gaming isn't essential to game consoles it will survive without it until the next cycle. The Dreamcast was in my estimation a decent but not dramatic jump in hardware, it was already destroyed by the time the PS2 came out.

The only things that are holding back this gen is incomplete games.

Day one patches, editions (definitive, premier etc), too many huge updates that are Gigs of data, failing to reach resolution and low fps...all of that equals rush jobs from devs and the consumer not willing to take a stand against oversaturation of low quality. We know it's not necessarily a power issue as exclusives look stellar.

Maybe not the cpu, but that doesn't matter. It shouldn't be much weaker though, and improvements from DX12 and vulcan, + developers using gpgpu will be more than enough. The gpu's will be bare minimum 8 teraflops, and the traditional leap in memory is 8-16 times so 64-128 gigs of memory.

Just depends on when they launch really.

Agreed. It's why i'm waiting for goty editions more than ever, and even then only if the content is on a disc and not download voucher, and also devs put patches on later disc prints sometimes so I will be waiting lots this gen.

However, trash is trash, and none of that stuff will make games like Unity and evolve good, because they're so broken. Victory is looking buggy as hell and is supposed to launch in 5 months, lol

games need to follow wolfensteins example, 0 dlc and the old blood actually has a physical release in UK, thankfully region locking is not in ps4/xbox.

Exactly.

If we look at 6th and 7th gen, there was some stability issues across platforms, but never day one patches (at least not commonly) or so many editions of a game as DLC. Arkham Knight's a prime example of this with DLC prices before it even hits the market; and you're spot on about Evolve and Unity.

Buy all the Consoles, like I always do. I think this generation jump is fine. We're not even 2 years in. Still more to come.

I will buy every console and handheld again next gen like I have this gen, I want gamez.

These returns are a big lie...

We are VERY FAR away from this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjHiC0mt4Ts

After that we can talk about diminishing returns.

Wait for next baby step after 7 years.

TC, what jump?

@True_Gamer_:

I don't think you understand what diminishing returns means. It's not some myth, it's something we're already deep into and have been for about the past 10 years.

Your link means nothing. It has nothing to do with the end game. I firmly believe that one day we'll have photo-realistic games, that has nothing to do with it at all though.

What diminishing returns means is that on that path we'll be continually putting in more and more only to receive less and less on the results. Anybody who has been gaming since the early 90s or prior has seen this clear as day. The leaps in visual fidelity have continually become smaller until they turned into baby steps.

If you think that we're going to get some hardware release that suddenly makes games look 10 times better over night you're kidding yourself. Those days are long past.

Only reason i would quit console gaming is if they go "Digital download only" with games

I'm still going to buy a new console because finally monitor technology has caught up. Honestly the reason this it doesn't seem like a huge jump now is because the 360/PS3 could do 1080P at about I guess 30 FPS (Don't quote me never cared to check) and not the Xbox one and PS4 does about the same thing but at a slightly more stable rate. So yeah the jump was marginal at best. But 4K that changes it all. And 4K monitors/ TV is what is going to re-energize gaming again. VR is next but that is a few years off before we really take VR seriously.

Since we got VERY WIDE spectrum in graphics and general engines that run these graphics...(unreal 4 cry 3 etc)

Since the returns are huge and we got games that look like crap compared to the ceiling...

Since we are not even halfway to the end...

the returns will get diminishing IF AND WHEN we get close to that face then we can start talking...

Most 360/PS3 games were 720p or below that.

I remember when consolekids said this about install and patching...rofl.

Bravo friend.

I will skip it untill the new one comes but will get that gen some time

Honestly I think the next gen is going to be a much bigger jump than PS3 to PS4, assuming it's hardware based. Reason is because lets say they release 2020, by then PC's will be upwards of 30 times more powerful or something stupid like that. I imagine Sony and MS could concoct something at least 15 times better than what we have now by then. Hardware never did evolve so fast as it does now.

Anybody who hasn't jumped ship from consoles by this time deserves whatever they get served up.

I almost fell for the anti-xo and pro-ps hype, but after the reveals and getting some considerable hands on with both units I'm happy I didn't waste $600(unit+online) on just the hardware to be stuck with only a couple titles on either unit. I'll wait a couple years and pick them up used for around $100 when they have decent game library.

@True_Gamer_:

Yeah I guess I'll just chalk this up to you not understanding what diminishing returns means.

Later.

I think that was more targeted to when PC games had you manually finding and installing the update yourself. Not the automatic ones such as Steam uses.

Ill cry out loud and keep gaming on my PC

There's a high chance that the next consoles will have HBM i.e. stacked memory.

R9-390X is a smaller size graphics card than 7950/7970 i.e. just a single large chip with a few power related transistors/capacitors.

The Xbone has a 7790 equivalent....

If the Xbox4 has anything like the 390 it will be a walking joke...if released in 2020 if its released in 2017 then its a decent jump.

390X level GPU will bumped down into lesser segment with 490X (14 nm process, 2016) and again during 590X (2017).

I don't expect anymore generational leaps. I'm done with consoles apart from Nintendo. Not enough property exclusives either.

The PS4 represents full on what consoles could do with the consumer budget of £350 and this was the best we got after an 8 year gen.

So it's certainly not going to be a bigger leap than this next time.

Thats why I said a mere 390 would be a walking joke...

Just remember what the 360 had...in 2005 it was a monster.

Well, that was ATI not AMD. AMD is a PC bias company i.e. AMD made sure the PC platform is not left behind i.e. 7970 is a larger GPU size when compared to 1st gen Xenos GPU (not including EDRAM).