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#1  Edited By blueinheaven
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I'm honestly amazed at how MS are approaching this. They keep discounting the X1 they will soon be giving the damn thing away is that really the answer where are the games?

It's not like MS don't have money, where are the exclusives? They have lost the multiplat war completely, hands down that is done, dusted and over. So where are exclusives? I bought an X1 for Halo MCC and I don't regret it but it seems MS have just accepted their lot and are willing to undercut price on hardware endlessly almost begging people to buy the console rather than just give people reasons to buy it yes that means GAMES!

Sorry, little rant there since my X1 is gathering a bit of dust lol and MS don't seem too fussed they are mainly interested in persuading more people to buy X1's that will also gather dust so I suppose at least I won't be alone eh?

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#2 FoxbatAlpha
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You seem blinded by fanboyism. Tell me how they lost the multiplat war exactly?? There are some multiplats that are selling better on THE ONE, even with less install base.

What overwhelming amount of PS4 exclusives are you comparing the Xbox Ones library to?

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#3 R3FURBISHED
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@blueinheaven said:

where are the games?

where are the exclusives?

So where are exclusives?

that means GAMES!

That kinda goes for every video game platform that isn't developed by Nintendo....

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#4 ProtossX
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They need good exclusive (Non PC games)

They need to get more (Console exclusives Non PS4 games)

They need to convince Multiplat devs to gimp the PS4 version of games (with money bribes or hats or whatever)

if all these 3 things happen ppl willl not buy games on ps4 since this stuff happened an the game runs worse on ps4 and the exclusives cant play it on pc/ps4

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#5 blueinheaven
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@FoxbatAlpha said:

You seem blinded by fanboyism. Tell me how they lost the multiplat war exactly?? There are some multiplats that are selling better on THE ONE, even with less install base.

What overwhelming amount of PS4 exclusives are you comparing the Xbox Ones library to?

Fanboyism? Really? I game on PC, PS4 and Xbox One how do I figure out which one I am a 'fanboy' of? What is the criteria?

Honestly, people on this forum really need to offer more than 'you're a fanboy haha' or 'lems, cows, hermits' in their comments if we are to assume we are talking to people whose IQ reaches double figures.

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#6 MonsieurX
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@ProtossX said:

They need good exclusive (Non PC games)

They need to get more (Console exclusives Non PS4 games)

They need to convince Multiplat devs to gimp the PS4 version of games (with money bribes or hats or whatever)

if all these 3 things happen ppl willl not buy games on ps4 since this stuff happened an the game runs worse on ps4 and the exclusives cant play it on pc/ps4

Brilliant!

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1. More games that I can't get on PC

2. A couple of killer exclusives

3. Rallisport Challenge 3

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#8  Edited By Xaero_Gravity
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They need to take a page from Sony's PS3 playbook and give people compelling games that you need to own an XB1 to play. Whether those are new IPs or not, and I know it's risky to fund new IPs these days, but you gotta spend money to make money.

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#9  Edited By blueinheaven
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@Xaero_Gravity said:

They need to take a page from Sony's PS3 playbook and give people compelling games that you need to own an XB1 to play. Whether those are new IPs or not, and I know it's risky to fund new IPs these days, but you gotta spend money to make money.

Actually they could just corner the market on bringing JRPG's to current gen. Tales of Vesperia on 360 was (imo) best JRPG by far of last gen and there is a distinct lack of these on current gen. Nintendo could probably help themselves out a bit by looking at that market too.

Dunno, I just think with the money MS have they could be doing a lot more in terms of exclusives than they currently are though I appreciate they may be working hard behind the scenes and I have to say Phil Spencer is probably the best thing that could have happened to them after a disastrous start.

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  1. Always be $50-$100 cheaper in the NA , and always $75-$150 cheaper in Europe , Asia , Middle East etc. No exceptions. Embrace your Playstation knockoff status.
  2. A redesign that will get the hardcore fans to rebuy and inflate the numbers again.
  3. Increased marketing for Asia , Europe , Middle East , etc.
  4. Some big Japanese exclusives games , just to keep some off of Playstation 4
  5. 6 months to 1 year exclusivity for Star Wars , Fallout , Mass Effect , GTA , Resident Evil
  6. Minecraft mania - spinoffs and Minecraft 2 exclusive on Xbox One/PC
  7. Get Rare back on Kinect titles , and Hololens crap. Don't even try to impress gamers with Banjo , Battletoads , etc ..... go for the casuals instead.
  8. Don't let Forza , Halo , Gears , etc ..... go to PC. If Insomniac and Remedy want to go PC too , change their mind$.
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#11 ProtossX
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@blueinheaven said:

@Xaero_Gravity said:

They need to take a page from Sony's PS3 playbook and give people compelling games that you need to own an XB1 to play. Whether those are new IPs or not, and I know it's risky to fund new IPs these days, but you gotta spend money to make money.

Actually they could just corner the market on bringing JRPG's to current gen. Tales of Vesperia on 360 was (imo) best JRPG by far of last gen and there is a distinct lack of these on current gen. Nintendo could probably help themselves out a bit by looking at that market too.

Dunno, I just think with the money MS have they could be doing a lot more in terms of exclusives than they currently are though I appreciate they may be working hard behind the scenes and I have to say Phil Spencer is probably the best thing that could have happened to them after a disastrous start.

the only thing phil spencer did was the tomb raider deal and he let SF5/Disgaea go to ps4

what else has he done basically i haven't seen any new exclusives since he came in he did nothing so far but create more drama with the tomb/ raider street fighter 5 an now we get street fighter

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#12 Sylveon128
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I say wait til e3 where hopefully they announce a lot more games. I like what they did so far like sunset overdrive, halo collection,ryse but I wish install time get better but other than that I enjoy my xbox1.

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An act of God...if you believe in that kind of thing.

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The only thing that would bring the XO back against the PS4 is Bungie developed Halo or a new series from Epic on level with Gears. Like Samaritan or Infiltrator if they weren't just demos.

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#15 speedfreak48t5p
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Pretty sure Forza, Sunset Overdrive, and Titanfall exist. X1 certainly doesn't have a problem with having quality exclusives.

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#16 ProtossX
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@speedfreak48t5p said:

Pretty sure Forza, Sunset Overdrive, and Titanfall exist. X1 certainly doesn't have a problem with having quality exclusives.

no microsoft needed to make titan fall X1 exclusive thye need to stop letting FPS games go to 360/PC PPL ARE PLAYING on those i saw several pc gamers playin titan fall on pc and some kids are playing on 360

they need be only on xb1 and he needs to say it on the game so everyone knows it an PC gamers look at the game an go oh i actully cant play that one im sick of them playing titan fall on pc its time to go after those same ppl who didnt buy an xb1 go after them with the games

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@Xaero_Gravity said:

They need to take a page from Sony's PS3 playbook and give people compelling games that you need to own an XB1 to play. Whether those are new IPs or not, and I know it's risky to fund new IPs these days, but you gotta spend money to make money.

scalebound, ryse, below, ori and the blind forest, project spark, D4, crimson dragon, sunset overdrive and quantum break say hi. how many more new IPs do you want them to develop/publish? is there some magic number? fact is, most of their games will always go to pc, thats the way its always been.

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#18 lostrib
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@ProtossX: you're sick of people playing titanfall on PC? Seriously?

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#19  Edited By ProtossX
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Heres how you save the xbox one

1. Halo 5 (2015 XB1 Exclusive 343)

2. BattleToads (2016 XB1 Exclusive Rare)

3. Halo MMOFPS (2017 XB1 Exclusive Bungie)

4. Gears of War 4 (2016 XB1 Exclusive Black Tusk)

5. Halo Wars 2 (2016 XB1 Exclusive MS studios)

6. Megaman X Returns (2016 XB1 Exclusive Capcom)

7. Forza Burnout (2016 XB1 Exclusive Burnout devs)

8. Dead Space 4 (2016 XB1 Exclusive dead space devs)

9. Mass Effect 4 (2017 XB1 Exclusive Bioware)

10. Morrowind 2 (2018 XB1 Exclusive Betheseda)

Mass effect Collection (XB1 exclusive)

Dead space collection (xb1 exclusive)

Burnout collection (xb1 exclusive)

Megaman X Collection (xb1 exclusive)

Gears of War collection (xb1 exlcusive)

none of the games come to PC NONE i mean zero go to pc

actual zero

and none of em go ps4

NONE GO TO 360 not one game i dont want game on 360 either EVERYTHING either u own xb1 an play or u never touch these games thats my motto if i was phil spencer id get this crap done instantly at his position

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#20 lostrib
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@ProtossX said:

Heres how you save the xbox one

1. Halo 5 (2015 XB1 Exclusive 343)

2. BattleToads (2016 XB1 Exclusive Rare)

3. Halo MMOFPS (2017 XB1 Exclusive Bungie)

4. Gears of War 4 (2016 XB1 Exclusive Black Tusk)

5. Halo Wars 2 (2016 XB1 Exclusive MS studios)

6. Megaman X Returns (2016 XB1 Exclusive Capcom)

7. Forza Burnout (2016 XB1 Exclusive Burnout devs)

8. Dead Space 4 (2016 XB1 Exclusive dead space devs)

Dead space collection (xb1 exclusive)

Burnout collection (xb1 exclusive)

Megaman X Collection (xb1 exclusive)

Gears of War collection (xb1 exlcusive)

none of the games come to PC NONE i mean zero go to pc

actual zero

and none of em go ps4

NONE GO TO 360 not one game i dont want game on 360 either EVERYTHING either u own xb1 an play or u never touch these games thats my motto if i was phil spencer id get this crap done instantly at his position

I look forward to playing them on PC

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#21 MonsieurX
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@ProtossX said:

Heres how you save the xbox one

1. Halo 5 (2015 XB1 Exclusive 343)

2. BattleToads (2016 XB1 Exclusive Rare)

3. Halo MMOFPS (2017 XB1 Exclusive Bungie)

4. Gears of War 4 (2016 XB1 Exclusive Black Tusk)

5. Halo Wars 2 (2016 XB1 Exclusive MS studios)

6. Megaman X Returns (2016 XB1 Exclusive Capcom)

7. Forza Burnout (2016 XB1 Exclusive Burnout devs)

8. Dead Space 4 (2016 XB1 Exclusive dead space devs)

Dead space collection (xb1 exclusive)

Burnout collection (xb1 exclusive)

Megaman X Collection (xb1 exclusive)

Gears of War collection (xb1 exlcusive)

none of the games come to PC NONE i mean zero go to pc

actual zero

and none of em go ps4

NONE GO TO 360 not one game i dont want game on 360 either EVERYTHING either u own xb1 an play or u never touch these games thats my motto if i was phil spencer id get this crap done instantly at his position

Nothing in there will actually happen

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a shit load of purely amazing games.

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#23 NyaDC
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It doesn't need anything to save it because there's nothing wrong with it to begin with, people need to change, that is the problem.

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#24 playharderfool
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Maybe, release games people what to play throughout the year?

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@gamecubepad said:

The only thing that would bring the XO back against the PS4 is Bungie developed Halo or a new series from Epic on level with Gears. Like Samaritan or Infiltrator if they weren't just demos.

Yeah a samaritan game could be awesome, I wanted them to do that. Wonder what epic is working on anyways.

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#26  Edited By silkylove
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1) Backwards compatibility would really help. There are a bunch of gamers who skipped the 360 and want to play those games, but don't want to have another unitasker under their TV. 2) Hire all the people from Bizarre Creations to run an in-house studio. 3) Subsidize xbox live or charge a nominal fee. It's a big money maker for them, but if they stopped charging they could differentiate themselves from Sony in a positive way as opposed to the current narrative that they're exactly the same, except with less power under the hood.

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#27  Edited By Xaero_Gravity
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@mems_1224:

If most of their games go to PC then what reason do people with multiple platforms have to get an XB1? I get their reasoning for doing so and I personally don't have a problem with games going multiplatform, but I just think that part of the reason I ended up enjoying the PS3 so much was because of the games that I could only find on that platform.

And I'm just speaking in terms of the general gaming audience, since I feel the XB1 has enough interesting exclusives to justify the purchase. More so than the PS4 in my opinion. Didn't mean to hurt your ass you dirty fucking Lem. >O

That last part isn't serious in case you're too Finalstar to tell.

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#28 SakusEnvoy
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A very sleek console redesign and MSRP $100 less than the PS4 should be enough to give Microsoft North America, which is the only market they had any chance in. Not porting all their exclusives to PC would help.

Then again, there comes a point when all the momentum has swayed too much to one side. A point where even price cuts can't help. If the PS4 continues to steamroll the competition in terms of sales, then people will want to be in the PS4 ecosystem because that's where all their friends are.

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#29 FoxbatAlpha
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Microsoft should buy Naughty Dog Studios the same day they announce Fallout 4 as exclusive.

More games with Gold.

Continue innovating and listening to gamers needs.

Get Hololens out the door before Morpheus with some killer games.

Declare an Xbox Holiday where for one day out of the year, you get a free first party game of your choice.

Start calling Sony out on their bullshit.

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#30 david61983
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Two things to compete with Sony and maybe overtake them: backwards compatibility and free Xbox Live Gold.

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#31  Edited By Shewgenja
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It's not happening. Best of luck with Generation 9. Consumer attitude towards the Xbox has to change and free games and a lower price point aren't even moving the thing. It's a lost cause completely.

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#32 Zero_epyon
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They can try. They will fail...

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#33 deactivated-583e460ca986b
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I don't think it's possible at this point. The PS4 is selling like crazy without it's heavy hitters. Things will only get worse once Uncharted and the other exclusives hit. M$ just needs to focus on selling what hardware they can and getting high attach rates on their exclusive titles. 1st place shouldn't even be a priority.

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#34  Edited By Commiesdie
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it will catch up

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#35 AzatiS
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@Commiesdie said:

it will catch up

Are you on drugs? :)

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#36 Commiesdie
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@AzatiS:

can u predict the future or u 100% sure XB1 can't catch up no u don't

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#37 AzatiS
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@nyadc said:

It doesn't need anything to save it because there's nothing wrong with it to begin with, people need to change, that is the problem.

People need to change on what exactly ? Are you serious or trolling ?

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#38  Edited By AzatiS
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@Commiesdie said:

@AzatiS:

can u predict the future or u 100% sure XB1 can't catch up no u don't

Yeah i can , XB1 theres not 1 in a million to catch up PS4 when PS4 easily winning by far without any major cut price or huge bundles let alone any of the big blockbuster titles out that coming soon. So yes , i can predict the future !! :)

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I think at this point, if Microsoft wants the Xbox One to compete with the PS4, they're going to have to hope Sony does something stupid like force anti-consumer DRM.

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#40  Edited By charomid
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They need to get Driveclub and The Order: 1886 on their system.

Seriously, what is the point of this thread? Name one game that's an ACTUAL system seller for ps4 right now? There are NONE that convince me to buy a ps4 right now. On xbox: 1) Titanfall (when it released in march MADE ME purchase the system)

2) Halo MCC (don't care if your argument is that its "broken")

3) Forza 5 and Forza Horizon 2 (some of the best racers ever)

4) Killer Instinct (a great fighting game)

5) Sunset Overdrive (another great game)

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Yeah a samaritan game could be awesome, I wanted them to do that. Wonder what epic is working on anyways.

They're pushing UE4, Fortnite, and UT pretty heavily. Aside from that I do not know. They kind of put that same vibe as Valve where they're more focused on laying the groundwork for their services than making games.

Will say what they're doing with the UE4 and UT marketplace is amazing.

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#42 CanYouDiglt
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I guess it comes down to choice. IMO The X1 already has the better exclusives and it has the better upcoming ones also. Some games might be going to the PC also but they are only on the X1 as far as consoles. I prefer console gaming and do not care if PC gets it also just as long as I can play it. It is like Forza might go to PC but I can still play it on consoles. Like I said I prefer to play on consoles so if I went to PS4 and wanted a driving game I am stuck with DriveClub which would suck majorly. I would much rather have Halo 5. Scalebound, quantum break, and so on compared to what the PS4 has, I admit though Uncharted 4 will probably be good but that is the only one I want. Lords knows I do not care to play another Killzone or Infamous lmao.

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@blueinheaven:

Money Hat, Money Hat, Money Hat, Money Hat.

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@blueinheaven said:

@FoxbatAlpha said:

You seem blinded by fanboyism. Tell me how they lost the multiplat war exactly?? There are some multiplats that are selling better on THE ONE, even with less install base.

What overwhelming amount of PS4 exclusives are you comparing the Xbox Ones library to?

Fanboyism? Really? I game on PC, PS4 and Xbox One how do I figure out which one I am a 'fanboy' of? What is the criteria?

Honestly, people on this forum really need to offer more than 'you're a fanboy haha' or 'lems, cows, hermits' in their comments if we are to assume we are talking to people whose IQ reaches double figures.

You fanboy pretty well by focusing your entire post on ONE statement, and ignore entirely the questions asked.

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#46 slim70
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@FoxbatAlpha said:

You seem blinded by fanboyism. Tell me how they lost the multiplat war exactly?? There are some multiplats that are selling better on THE ONE, even with less install base.

What overwhelming amount of PS4 exclusives are you comparing the Xbox Ones library to?

Better be careful SolidTy may come in here and slap you with the listwar link.

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#47  Edited By Extrodinare101
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Making Halo 5 good and lasting more than a month would be a good start. It looks like MS is investing in new IP's with Ori, Scalebound and Quantum Break.

As far as keeping games exclusive, they've already announced that they're going gung ho in supporting Windows 10 so expect a lot of games to be Xbox One/PC but they can keep key titles like Halo 5 and Forza exclusive, at least for a while. I don't think releasing The Master Chief Collection (a working port at least) or Halo 5 on PC a year later will harm the sales of the Xbox that much, especially if they slash the price again and offer bundles.

Rise of Tomb Raider...ok....why isn't it a perma exclusive ? (or at least exclusive to Xbox/360) why bother with a timed exclusive? It might sway some buyers but it's not a game that's going to send Xbox One's flying off the shelves, especially if there's a chance that it'll come to other platforms later. Probably PS4 but at least PC.

Minecraft? Ok so you have a massive IP now, but it's already established and people are playing the game on like 6 different platforms, why is that new Minecraft game from Telltale not an Xbox exclusive? Why?

It's easy to talk about what Microsoft should and shouldn't do, because the internet has all the answers right?? Most people (including myself) couldn't find their own asses with a map and an assistant so you'll hardly find anyone qualified enough to tell Phil Spencer how to run his division.

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#48 NyaDC
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@AzatiS said:
@nyadc said:

It doesn't need anything to save it because there's nothing wrong with it to begin with, people need to change, that is the problem.

People need to change on what exactly ? Are you serious or trolling ?

I'm completely serious, people are stuck in this June 2013 mindset and seem to view this console as it was before it even released. There's nothing currently wrong with the Xbox One and there hasn't been in a long time, that old stigma it created nearly two years ago is the only thing wrong, and that stigma only exists because people continually perpetuate it into relevance when it's entirely irrelevant. Also this resolution nonsense is insanity, console casuals discussing resolution is mind numbing. Most console gamers probably were not even familiar with the concept of resolution before this console generation let alone know how to properly discuss it and tell the difference.

1600x900 upscaled to 1920x1080 compared to native 1080p on a television from meters away? Observably identical, not as if it matters anyway because in reality it means f**k all. People are the problem, not the resolution, not anything the console is doing right or wrong, it's people. All this misinformation they spread, all the importance they place on things that are entirely unimportant, all of the stigmas which they keep in place far beyond their relevance etc...

The Xbox One is a great console, it plays games great, it's got great features, functionality, games and apps. It's updated regularly, the consumer market is on the ground floor in terms of development, testing, implementation and post release feedback. It doesn't need to do anything, nothing needs to change, it's already where it needs to be and more, people are the problem and like I said; THEY need to change.

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#49 Ross_the_Boss6
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Phil Spencer seems to have a genuine interest in getting a variety of exclusives for the box. But he's still pretty new and you can't expect to see these games appear out of thin air. They take time to develop.

Unfortunately we'll just have to wait and see what happens. I'd be disappointed if Microsoft doesn't have a great E3 with some big announcements.

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#50 tdkmillsy
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They are competing with the likes of Sony, Apple and Google the same way.

Bring PC, mobile, tablets and Xbox all under the same ecosystem. Allow gamers to play a purchased game on any system.

This is how they will stamp the PS4 into the ground. the PS4, Xbox One, Wii u and PC systems will soon become PS4, Wii u and Xbox and its going to be wired what happens to system wars.