What would it take for X1 to compete with PS4?

They keep discounting?! Let's see...

The XBO w/Kinect went for $500, it was discounted for a period at $450 to get rid of existing Titanfall bundles, went back to $500.

They made a XBO SKU w/o Kinect for $400, discounted the two SKUs to $350/$450 for a promotional period during the holiday and bundled it with AC games. They removed that discount, reinstated the $350 discount to keep it selling, and/or to get rid of remaining AC bundles as those are still available.

If anything they're still officially $400/$500 when not in a promotional period, so far there's been three. It's not like they're desperately slashing the official price in desperation. If/when that happens I think what it means will be quite clear.

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@dotWithShoes: well if he can't get his opening statement right, I can't proceed with the topic.

Develop Xbox as a global brand instead of just one that's strong in NA and no where else
Get people to actually buy the thing some how in other places other than NA
Get permanent exclusives that don't filter onto PC ever
Develop and expand first party
Don't launch with the weakest hardware next time(Although this is moot because the next Xbox is basically PC)
Drop the price to $200 because that's basically what its worth anyway

Or leave console hardware business after this gen and produce software for the other console manufacturers, taper off the undesirable xbone.

The best E3 possible. Pretty much have lost every single one since xbox encarnation, what is that 10?

As for the wait with lemming until next gen, a new controller design is a must. Developers don't want to play their own games on a shittier experience.

I'd say a system seller, but I've never seen fanboys so blind before. People own multiple consoles, a pc, a tablet, and 600 phones and the reason they don't buy competing consoles almost seems to stem from spite.

Bring out good compelling exclusives that stay exclusive to the Xbone. It's pretty simple.

I disagree all the way that its peoples fault and i dont think too many stuck on old policies that everyone , almost literallt everyone , knows theyve been reversed. Everyone knows that with removal of Kinect is cheaper , everyone saw the bundles and sales all over ... Something is wrong with the console if you ask me rather than people ... And its its price/hardware ratio and the serious lack of exclusives diversity. People know that already and is a huge factor when you choose a console if you asking me. And when a product CANT compete in both hardware/software along with price ... we all know what happens ( see PS3 ) .

They should try releasing some games at some point.

Games. that is all.

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The first step to being competitive is to make a massive investment in first-party studios. They can't just have a single holy trinity (HaloForzaGears) of IP to push their system in this day and age. Not even Nintendo got that complacent back in the N64 days and it is the XBox's single greatest weakness. It really is as if they never planned on having a bad generation where they couldn't lean on third party to tow them to the endzone yet here we are. They are so late to the party doing this that I do honestly question whether it's possible for them to reverse course in this regard (the trick being, launching IP people really want and that's no easy task. Then, getting competent studios to breathe life into the IP once it gains popularity *GLARES at 343i*)

The second step is to make a real public apology for the direction that XBone went into this generation. It clearly has left a bad taste on gamers mouths that they tried the most invasive bullshit DRM scheme in the history of gaming and then when put to task on it, blanketed the internet with "the messaging wasn't right." NO, THE MESSAGING WASN'T THE FUCKING PROBLEM. The average gamer has not let it go and the new guy is not the chick from Frozen. Quit acting like the gamer is a dumb embicile and actually own your mistakes. We are watching. We know the score. Continue to underestimate us and you will need a $200 XBone with three controllers and a PoV porn with Megan Fox in every XBone to see the light of day.

Thirdly, the problem was a console given birth by the worst of the worst bean counters in the industry who saw it fit to let J Allard and Seamus Blackley and Peter Moore and the rest of the people at XBox out the door without so much as a consideration for the philosophy at Microsoft that went out the door with them. So, while they make a real apology for the DRM, mandatory Kinect and all this other stuff that went very wrong with the XBone they should make a real consideration at getting more blood into their ranks that actually give a toss about gaming. Like real people. Not this Major Fuckwit jackass who was completely caught with his pants down about flipping switches and wearing stupid hats at interviews and whatnot. He's lost credibility and so has pretty much everyone there except Phil Spencer and even then, see also point number 2 on that.

Fourth step (and ONLY after steps 1-3 are completed) they need a rebranding. No, I'm not saying stop calling it XBox or whatever, I'm talking about new advertising and new messaging. An XBone slim with a new XBox icon on it and perhaps a new format for the game packaging. Xbox needs real revitalization as a brand that helps it distance itself from the Greenburg days. They've done an okay job with Phil Spencer singing his tune, but gamers have kept score and the nastiness associated with the launch has not been undone with substantive moves. So, were they to use a fresh advertising campaign while letting things stand as they are, it won't have any traction and make them look even more fake as **** than they already are. Literally, from the ground up, implemented with new leadership filling the current vacuum they need to turn the identity of the brand completely around. Complete the 180 from the Kinect obsession days.

Fifth step. Go back to the XBox roots. Revitalize the depth of games from the back catalogue. Not with cheap remasters but with full re-awakenings. For the love of God, make Rare a real game studio again and re-open Ensemble. Show not only a dedication to new IP and diversifying the brand but make XBox cool again with a visit to the XBox1 catalogue as well as the 360 IP every once in a while. People LOVE a good retro story and revisiting stuff from when they were a kid. XBox isn't the new kid on the block anymore. It's free to act like it because there were plenty of really damn good games under its wing. Don't be scared, XBox. You know you want to have that finest of wines in gaming which is called 'heritage'. If you had enough studios, you could pull it off. People would love you for it, too.

So, there you go. I might be the number one XBone hater on System Wars, but don't say I lie to kick it. If MS took those five steps, they would be able to turn things around and you know it. Frankly, I should charge a consultancy fee for offering such good advice but I have so little faith in the leadership at MS that I doubt they could follow this through even if it were printed up and put on every desk at Redmond Washington as a memo.

It's the power of the cloud next up.

Funny thing is, all those new first party studios started up recently? Mostly making HoloLens games.

You can be a fanboy all you want, but mocking all cloud technology makes you look like a dumbass. It's a real thing, it is awesome, and it's the way of the future.

But they are copying the PS4's successful strategy of no games at all GimpLoser. Next they just have to make the 720P headset and the company literally burning money in every other division.

Do you know how long the electric car has been around? Many companies have come and gone since the inception of the technology. What's important is to be the Tesla Motors, not the creator. Not that I want to weigh in on the fanboyism debate, but it's myopic to assume that having technology is the same as effectively leveraging a technology.

If Microsoft want to leverage the XBox to implement these things, they need to align themselves fundamentally with their target audience first. That means getting back to basics.

They need to put the MCC on the PC to help offset losses this gen. Don Mattrick was too much for them to ever overcome. They should put all of their first party games on the PC, really. They need Windows 10 to sell better than 8 did. Dropping the fee and free games for Live would be a good idea, as well.

Another black friday/holiday season.

@FoxbatAlpha:

to be fair, the only "true exclusive game to Xbone are Sunset Overdrive, Killer Instinct, Forza Horizon 2. You can find Ryse, Dead Rising 3, Titanfall, etc on PC or 360. And now Microsoft is making Fable Legends available on PC now too? WTF hopefully Quantum Break and Scalebound actually stay exclusive

Looks like StormyJoke doesn't like his last hope being mocked. Da clawd won't be practical or relevant for what you want it to be for about a decade.

All year long.

• better gpu
• better cpu
• better ram

you name it.

I think their problem cannot be resolved this gen. The hardware is under-powered compared to PS4.

Perhaps next gen they should put some effort into de-coupling any unnecessary hardware from the next xbox so they won't blow their budget (price bracket) the designers had to work with this gen on gimmicky mandatory add-ons and focus more on the graphical capability of the next xbox instead.

If they managed to focus their design budget next gen on graphical capability, and Sony kept the touchpad gimmick on their controllers (which adds a little strain on Sony's design budget), I think Microsoft might have a chance on having the superior hardware next gen if both companies released their consoles at a similar price point.

XB1 will never catch up to the PS4, but they can do things to move more units of their own. I truly believe Gears 4 can sell consoles if its true to the original 3 and is marketed to hell and back. Bundle it with a XB1 for $299 or less and good things can happen.

Absolutely nothing. Lets be realistic.

The lead's already 10 million with the One getting a price-cut and PS4 being 400 bucks. A price reduction that has had almost no effect against its competitor. PS4 just did almost 2 million in the slowest months of the year (Jan - Feb) to put things in perspective.

And Sony's got a huge repertoire of franchises they could fire away at any moment to replicate the PS3's last years on the market where they simply smothered the competition games-wise.

The only viable fight in all this is just America.

Which Microsoft is also loosing on a monthly basis, with price-cuts included.

The best MS can do right now, is just ride it out and hope to increase Live's yearly subscriptions to make back whatever losses they are taking by constantly reducing the Xbox's price in different markets since they have not made any profit whatsoever on these divisions since the Xbox 360.

We're heading into a repeat of another PS2-like generation.

What is it I'm supposed to answer that isn't blatantly obvious? MS lost the multiplat war because Sony got the rep for having a more powerful machine so people bought what was perceived as the better machine for multiplats. Very few people buy consoles JUST for exclusives. Hence MS completely blown out of the water before the gen had even got started properly.

His point about PS4 exclusives is completely irrelevant that wasn't what sold people on the PS4 at launch it was power and price.

At the end of E3 talk about a update .tell the crowd how u made countless improvements with updates . pull out a Xbox and 360 game and say starting at 12 midnight we will be doing another update put the discs in the Xbox one and say you can now play any Xbox or Xbox 360 game in ur Xbox one .and thank everybody for watching

Not going to happen. Especially now with the cross platform windows "initiative".. they're giving people a reason not to buy a XBO. Microsoft squandered their one and only opportunity to win this gen.. it's smh baffling.

Yeah, the future in about ten years.

Just Wait.

So, I guess I should tell all my company's clients that their warehouse reports are fake, because there isn't such a thing as "the cloud."

Thanks for the heads up...

So warehouse reports are the exact same as a server doing physics processing on current gen assets and delivering them back to local hardware with as little latency as possible.

My sides are in orbit.

Yes, actually. Our SSRS and SSAS reporting is on Azure.

This is a trolling topic made by a troll but I'll bite. First of all MS would just have to make XBL free that alone would seriously bang Sony good and hard right in the ass! Sony can't afford to give up that sweet monthly subscription model. So, not only would MS offer the best online service it would be free! This would be the beginning of the end for Sony and PS.

The XBO already has the best and most features anyway it's just a matter of time until all the PS4 hype wares down. The XBO has DLNA and MP3 support, Skype, snap, suspend and resume, external hard drive support, 300K servers worldwide = better bandwidth = less lag, superior matchmaking, the best and most apps and arguably the best big budget games so far according to most major game sites.

@blueinheaven: The train has left for XBO already. By now, the most important selling point of the PS4 is the huge number of devices that has already been sold. This will result in a kind of feedback effect. People buy a PS4, because so many others have already bought one.

lmao

So basically, repeat what they did in 2014. Gotcha.

If you're referring to the singular, then sure.

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The xbox one is every bit as capable as the ps4, but the 2 legitimate deterrents I see are, a lack of trust that their exclusive games will remain exclusive...

And ps4 has better offerings in the best genre in gaming.... Indies.

Lol so basically a miracle.

To compete in console sales? They'd have to build a time machine. That battle is lost.

@TheEroica:

since when dies move units

@blueinheaven: MS would have to literally go back in time to before E3 2013 and never go with DRM and talking to their customers like poop-chucking apes in the first place. That is when the PS4 flood started, that is what would have to be righted. As it stands now, if you don't already have a console and all your friends have a PS4, then your decision has been made for you. MS is simply too far in the hole to catch up now.

@notorious1234na: not sure if they ever did, or ever will... But ps4 is a more attractive platform because of them, in my opinion.

I do want to play Ori though.