What's all the fuss about piracy of PC games?

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PC (Microsoft Windows) is heaven for pirates and developers know this. To many developers, the PC is a system where people almost always download its games for free regardless if they are committing a crime.

Click_Clock

And yet PC is growing

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[QUOTE="Click_Clock"]

PC (Microsoft Windows) is heaven for pirates and developers know this. To many developers, the PC is a system where people almost always download its games for free regardless if they are committing a crime.

Click_Clock

And yet PC is growing

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Click_Clock"]

PC (Microsoft Windows) is heaven for pirates and developers know this. To many developers, the PC is a system where people almost always download its games for free regardless if they are committing a crime.

Click_Clock

And yet PC is growing

If the computers in the 1940s were the size of rooms, why do we still have comptuers the size of rooms if technology "keeps getting smaller and more mobile"? Because there is a place for both. An office building isn't going to have people doing graphic design, programming, accounting, etc on a phone or tablet.

This delusion of eveything going mobile is laughable.

[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="cain006"]I don't even get how they come up with those numbers. First of all, someone downloading the torrent doesn't mean that they actually finished the download for the game. And what about people who download it once and make multiple copies? This happens a lot with console games, they sell them for like a few bucks in some countries.

senses_fail_06

[QUOTE="senses_fail_06"][QUOTE="lightleggy"] This. people dont realize that in case of console games, one torrent downloaded could mean over 100 pirate copies soldJankarcop

No.

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[QUOTE="Click_Clock"]Smartphones and Tablets will replace traditional desktop PCs. All PC manufacturers are going mobile and Intel is putting a lot of its resources into mobile chip. Desktop PC (teh one with the tower) will become a very small ninche market.

SirDigby84

If the computers in the 1940s were the size of rooms, why do we still have comptuers the size of rooms if technology "keeps getting smaller and more mobile"? Because there is a place for both. An office building isn't going to have people doing graphic design, programming, accounting, etc on a phone or tablet.

This delusion of eveything going mobile is laughable.

You realize PC gaming makes up about .5% of all PCs right? AMD, Nvidia and Intel make the most money off laptops, Tablets and phones then High End Desktops. You do not realize there is a huge shift towards mobile. Be dulisional and think that you are the center of the universe or grow a brain and realize desktops will be irrelevent in 7 years or less.

[QUOTE="SirDigby84"][QUOTE="wis3boi"]

If the computers in the 1940s were the size of rooms, why do we still have comptuers the size of rooms if technology "keeps getting smaller and more mobile"? Because there is a place for both. An office building isn't going to have people doing graphic design, programming, accounting, etc on a phone or tablet.

This delusion of eveything going mobile is laughable.

Maneil99

You realize PC gaming makes up about .5% of all PCs right? AMD, Nvidia and Intel make the most money off laptops, Tablets and phones then High End Desktops. You do not realize there is a huge shift towards mobile. Be dulisional and think that you are the center of the universe or grow a brain and realize desktops will be irrelevent in 7 years or less.

[QUOTE="SirDigby84"][QUOTE="wis3boi"]

If the computers in the 1940s were the size of rooms, why do we still have comptuers the size of rooms if technology "keeps getting smaller and more mobile"? Because there is a place for both. An office building isn't going to have people doing graphic design, programming, accounting, etc on a phone or tablet.

This delusion of eveything going mobile is laughable.

Maneil99

You realize PC gaming makes up about .5% of all PCs right? AMD, Nvidia and Intel make the most money off laptops, Tablets and phones then High End Desktops. You do not realize there is a huge shift towards mobile. Be dulisional and think that you are the center of the universe or grow a brain and realize desktops will be irrelevent in 7 years or less.

Those same devices can just as easily (probably easier) replace consoles.

Did you know 83% of all statistics are made up on the spot?

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[QUOTE="SirDigby84"] Exactly and this is what people who think desktops will be replaced soon don't seem to get. So if we get a tablet with todays high end gaming PC processing power and it still copes with the heat/power consumption, why not stick 5 of those tablet's innards into a full size case with a load of fans and as much power as you could need? That is simplifying things alot but whenever a new compact device is touted as the end of PC gaming it is retarded, you can squeeze as much technology into a tablet/smartphone as you like, for those of us with the space we can always have superior hardware.lostrib

You realize PC gaming makes up about .5% of all PCs right? AMD, Nvidia and Intel make the most money off laptops, Tablets and phones then High End Desktops. You do not realize there is a huge shift towards mobile. Be dulisional and think that you are the center of the universe or grow a brain and realize desktops will be irrelevent in 7 years or less.

Those same devices can just as easily (probably easier) replace consoles.

Did you know 83% of all statistics are made up on the spot?

The Witcher 2 sold about 1.7 million in total, 500k or so copies on 360, the rest PC. From that, there were atleast 4.5 million attempted downloads of the PC version, as stated by the developers themselves. Numbers and statistics don't lie and not even the biggest hermits can deny it (they ususally resort to saying "but there's piracy on consoles too" and "used games hurt developers too"). Sure, there's piracy on consoles too, but not as much as on the PC.

nameless12345

[QUOTE="senses_fail_06"][QUOTE="lightleggy"] This. people dont realize that in case of console games, one torrent downloaded could mean over 100 pirate copies soldJankarcop

PC gamers described in one image:

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And yet PC is growing

lightleggy

Probably those who don't do any real work.

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

[QUOTE="senses_fail_06"] You could use the same logic for PC games :|senses_fail_06

I can't find the link, oh well.

The Witcher 2 sold about 1.7 million in total, 500k or so copies on 360, the rest PC. From that, there were atleast 4.5 million attempted downloads of the PC version, as stated by the developers themselves. Numbers and statistics don't lie and not even the biggest hermits can deny it (they ususally resort to saying "but there's piracy on consoles too" and "used games hurt developers too"). Sure, there's piracy on consoles too, but not as much as on the PC.

nameless12345

The Witcher 2 sold about 1.7 million in total, 500k or so copies on 360, the rest PC. From that, there were atleast 4.5 million attempted downloads of the PC version, as stated by the developers themselves. Numbers and statistics don't lie and not even the biggest hermits can deny it (they ususally resort to saying "but there's piracy on consoles too" and "used games hurt developers too"). Sure, there's piracy on consoles too, but not as much as on the PC.

nameless12345

It only takes one person to download a console game and distribute thausands of discs. There is no accurate number for how many people have "pirated" console games compared to PC. However going to a warez site where they offer links to download games its clear to see that the extent of console piracy is much bigger than what console gamers beleive it to be. Whats more, console games always end up on these sites weeks before they are even available in shops. PC games do not.

The only reason PC torrent downloads show more numbers is because PC gamers dont need the game on a CD/DVD in order to play it, they just download it. Console gamers on the other hand grab a copy off their mate or from under the counter at the market. Out of 8 people who own wii or 360 where I work only one of those people do not pirate their console games and thats because she no longer uses her console. The rest get theirs from the same guy who sells them a game for £3.50 a disc.

Now imagine when these people have nothing to play.

• PC pirate downloads a game on his not so stellar internet connection, 6 hours later its finished downloading and he installs it and plays it.
• Console gamer goes to his pirate game supplier, pirate game supplier already has tons of games burned to disc, 5 mins later console gamer walks out with 5 games goes home and in the space of 30 mins has 4 or 5 pirated games to play.

A lot of games are developed for consoles because the fixed hardware is easier/quicker/cheaper(?) to develop for. Some console manufacturers partly fund the development of certain games, some developers just feel that they dont have an audience/interest for their game on the PC and some are just complete idiots, like Cliffy B for example.

We all know by now why they delay the release of multiplatform games on PC. They hope to sell more on consoles because some people just cant wait. Sell tons on Microsofts console and Microsoft will like you, since you made them more money from royalties, same goes for Sony. Noone owns the PC, Microsoft have tried to muscle in with GFWL and they are likely to be trying again with XBOX Live on Windows 8. As of now they arent getting any royalties from games released on PC and royalties is better than no royalties.

[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="Click_Clock"]Smartphones and Tablets will replace traditional desktop PCs. All PC manufacturers are going mobile and Intel is putting a lot of its resources into mobile chip. Desktop PC (teh one with the tower) will become a very small ninche market.

jun_aka_pekto

Probably those who don't do any real work.

You guys are wrong!!! Pretty soon everyone will live in mobile Homes and RVs. There's no point in living in a big house when you can take your house on the go!

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The Witcher 2 sold about 1.7 million in total, 500k or so copies on 360, the rest PC. From that, there were atleast 4.5 million attempted downloads of the PC version, as stated by the developers themselves. Numbers and statistics don't lie and not even the biggest hermits can deny it (they ususally resort to saying "but there's piracy on consoles too" and "used games hurt developers too"). Sure, there's piracy on consoles too, but not as much as on the PC.

Maneil99

It only takes one person to download a console game and distribute thausands of discs. There is no accurate number for how many people have "pirated" console games compared to PC. However going to a warez site where they offer links to download games its clear to see that the extent of console piracy is much bigger than what console gamers beleive it to be. Whats more, console games always end up on these sites weeks before they are even available in shops. PC games do not.

The only reason PC torrent downloads show more numbers is because PC gamers dont need the game on a CD/DVD in order to play it, they just download it. Console gamers on the other hand grab a copy off their mate or from under the counter at the market. Out of 8 people who own wii or 360 where I work only one of those people do not pirate their console games and thats because she no longer uses her console. The rest get theirs from the same guy who sells them a game for £3.50 a disc.

Now imagine when these people have nothing to play.

• PC pirate downloads a game on his not so stellar internet connection, 6 hours later its finished downloading and he installs it and plays it.
• Console gamer goes to his pirate game supplier, pirate game supplier already has tons of games burned to disc, 5 mins later console gamer walks out with 5 games goes home and in the space of 30 mins has 4 or 5 pirated games to play.

A lot of games are developed for consoles because the fixed hardware is easier/quicker/cheaper(?) to develop for. Some console manufacturers partly fund the development of certain games, some developers just feel that they dont have an audience/interest for their game on the PC and some are just complete idiots, like Cliffy B for example.

We all know by now why they delay the release of multiplatform games on PC. They hope to sell more on consoles because some people just cant wait. Sell tons on Microsofts console and Microsoft will like you, since you made them more money from royalties, same goes for Sony. Noone owns the PC, Microsoft have tried to muscle in with GFWL and they are likely to be trying again with XBOX Live on Windows 8. As of now they arent getting any royalties from games released on PC and royalties is better than no royalties.

As someone who Pirates Xbox games let me correct you on some things. First, you cannot play online for the skae of being banned. 2nd Pc games come out before release date aswell ( Crysis 2 came out 4 months before, Ghost Recon Future Soldier, Skyrim, MP3) PS3 requires users not to update locking thne out of games from post 2011. The amount of Xbox Pirates is much smaller then PC. Recent MS Ban wave only had 500,000. PC games like Crysis were pirated 4,500,000 times.

Most developers these days develop games exclusively for consoles, or else release crappy console ports on the PC after a significant delay. They claim the reason for this is rampant piracy of PC games. But really, its a fact that even console games are pirated quite a lot. Just visit any popular torent or warez site, and you'll come across loads of pirated XBOX 360 and Wii games (pirated PS3 games are also found on these sites, but significantly less than XBOX 360 or Wii games). So why do developers keep claiming that piracy is the reason for them to ignore the PC platform and concentrate on consoles? What is the REAL reason for most major developers sidelining the PC?

sunil_u123

lol the fact your actually trying to claim that console or even handheld piracy is on a level of pc piracy is just laughable.WilliamRLBaker

Neither is measurable, so we wouldn't know.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]lol the fact your actually trying to claim that console or even handheld piracy is on a level of pc piracy is just laughable.lundy86_4

Neither is measurable, so we wouldn't know.

Iits easily measurable.

1.go to torrent sites use a varied set of them see that pc games have far higher total complete downloads then console games.

2.See that developers left and right that create games for the consoles that used to be pc only cite massive pc piracy as the problem.

3.See world of goo, humble indie bundles...etc see that they are reported by the developers themselves that massive pirating went on, World of goo in this instance a drm free game had a 90% piracy rate, See Witcher 1 which is drm free on last check CD projekt themselves said piracy was out of control for that game.

Yes Piracy being a rampant near epidemic on pc is a fact...Consoles? no where near they are at most possibly a pandemic compared.

its easily measurable. 1.go to torrent sites use a varied set of them see that pc games have far higher total complete downloads then console games.

WilliamRLBaker

1. Torrents can be downloaded, yet the download may be incomplete (i.e. a number of people stopped downloading.
2. Countries (especially parts of Eastern Europe and Asia) often have stores where you are able tobuy pirated console games for an incredibly cheap price. That would mean that a single download can be completed, yet 100 playable copies are made.

2.See that developers left and right that create games for the consoles that used to be pc only cite massive pc piracy as the problem.

WilliamRLBaker

This in no way measures piracy rates between consoles or the PC :?

3.See world of goo, humble indie bundles...etc see that they are reported by the developers themselves that massive pirating went on, World of goo in this instance a drm free game had a 90% piracy rate, See Witcher 1 which is drm free on last check CD projekt themselves said piracy was out of control for that game. yes Piracy being a rampant near epidemic on pc is a fact...Consoles? no where near they are at most possibly a pandemic.WilliamRLBaker

Again, this does not measure piracy rates per se. A 90% piracy rate for a single gamewould notequate to a 90% piracy rate for the system.

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Piracy is an issue, which isn't something I denied. I simply stated that neither console nor PC piracy are measurable.

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[QUOTE="pelvist"]

It only takes one person to download a console game and distribute thausands of discs. There is no accurate number for how many people have "pirated" console games compared to PC. However going to a warez site where they offer links to download games its clear to see that the extent of console piracy is much bigger than what console gamers beleive it to be. Whats more, console games always end up on these sites weeks before they are even available in shops. PC games do not.

The only reason PC torrent downloads show more numbers is because PC gamers dont need the game on a CD/DVD in order to play it, they just download it. Console gamers on the other hand grab a copy off their mate or from under the counter at the market. Out of 8 people who own wii or 360 where I work only one of those people do not pirate their console games and thats because she no longer uses her console. The rest get theirs from the same guy who sells them a game for £3.50 a disc.

Now imagine when these people have nothing to play.

• PC pirate downloads a game on his not so stellar internet connection, 6 hours later its finished downloading and he installs it and plays it.
• Console gamer goes to his pirate game supplier, pirate game supplier already has tons of games burned to disc, 5 mins later console gamer walks out with 5 games goes home and in the space of 30 mins has 4 or 5 pirated games to play.

A lot of games are developed for consoles because the fixed hardware is easier/quicker/cheaper(?) to develop for. Some console manufacturers partly fund the development of certain games, some developers just feel that they dont have an audience/interest for their game on the PC and some are just complete idiots, like Cliffy B for example.

We all know by now why they delay the release of multiplatform games on PC. They hope to sell more on consoles because some people just cant wait. Sell tons on Microsofts console and Microsoft will like you, since you made them more money from royalties, same goes for Sony. Noone owns the PC, Microsoft have tried to muscle in with GFWL and they are likely to be trying again with XBOX Live on Windows 8. As of now they arent getting any royalties from games released on PC and royalties is better than no royalties.

lightleggy

As someone who Pirates Xbox games let me correct you on some things. First, you cannot play online for the skae of being banned. 2nd Pc games come out before release date aswell ( Crysis 2 came out 4 months before, Ghost Recon Future Soldier, Skyrim, MP3) PS3 requires users not to update locking thne out of games from post 2011. The amount of Xbox Pirates is much smaller then PC. Recent MS Ban wave only had 500,000. PC games like Crysis were pirated 4,500,000 times.

Since consoles are so cheap I expect a lot of pirates have one that is modded to play pirated games and one to play online, either that or they will just go out and buy a new one if and when they do get banned. Theres a few exceptions for PC games that are "leaked" early and usually they are alpha/beta/unfinished versions of the game. Crysis 2 is an example of this. I dont recall any of the other games he mentioned being released early for PC, but then its not something I regularly check up on.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]its easily measurable. 1.go to torrent sites use a varied set of them see that pc games have far higher total complete downloads then console games.

lundy86_4

1. Torrents can be downloaded, yet the download may be incomplete (i.e. a number of people stopped downloading.
2. Countries (especially parts of Eastern Europe and Asia) often have stores where you are able tobuy pirated console games for an incredibly cheap price. That would mean that a single download can be completed, yet 100 playable copies are made.

2.See that developers left and right that create games for the consoles that used to be pc only cite massive pc piracy as the problem.

WilliamRLBaker

This in no way measures piracy rates between consoles or the PC :?

3.See world of goo, humble indie bundles...etc see that they are reported by the developers themselves that massive pirating went on, World of goo in this instance a drm free game had a 90% piracy rate, See Witcher 1 which is drm free on last check CD projekt themselves said piracy was out of control for that game. yes Piracy being a rampant near epidemic on pc is a fact...Consoles? no where near they are at most possibly a pandemic.WilliamRLBaker

Again, this does not measure piracy rates per se. A 90% piracy rate for a single gamewould notequate to a 90% piracy rate for the system.

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Piracy is an issue, which isn't something I denied. I simply stated that neither console nor PC piracy are measurable.

arguing with our resident mouthbreathing neckbeard is a fruitless endeavour ;)

More money to be made on Consoles.

Console Gamers actually buy games, after all.

Obviously_Right

you sure that console gamers buy their games?

Starhawk = 0.2 million sold since its release LOL

Twisted metal = 0.65 million since its release

witcher 2 sold about 1 million copies on pc within a month nand a half, and thats WITH the alleged 4 million units pirated. Only games console players care about is COD, numbers prove my point, as diablo 3 is the fastest selling exclusive of all time ON ANY PLATFORM, and it just happens to be a PC exclusive.

PC is where the money unfortunately for you. Thats why pc game sales up 250% while console game sales are down for another month in a row.

To pirate on consoles, you can't be the average person with no technical skills. You need to do modding with parts while on the PC/Microsoft Windows, everyone, including their grandfathers can play and set up pirated games on PC/Microsoft Windows. Since there's no hardware modification (again no hardware modifcation) and its basically straight forward, pirating on the PC/Microsoft Windowsis so damn easy that its a common practice amongs all PC gamers and that includes everyone I know. Games are created onPC/Microsoft Windows, there's no middle man to go through, there's no foreign parts to put in your system or download patches or other coding, playing onPC/Microsoft Windows is open to pirated games and is a goldmine for people seeking pirated software.

Its no wonder whyPC/Microsoft Windows is filled with pirated games, music, movies and other form of entertainment and developers try to avoidPC/Microsoft Windows community as much as possible. OnPC/Microsoft Windows you don't need to transfer the pirated game you downloaded to another machine, that file stays with your system since the machine can play pirated software directly.

To pirate on consoles, you can't be the average person with no technical skills. You need to do modding with parts while on the PC/Microsoft Windows, everyone, including their grandfathers can play and set up pirated games on PC/Microsoft Windows. Since there's no hardware modification (again no hardware modifcation) and its basically straight forward, pirating on the PC/Microsoft Windowsis so damn easy that its a common practice amongs all PC gamers and that includes everyone I know. Games are created onPC/Microsoft Windows, there's no middle man to go through, there's no foreign parts to put in your system or download patches or other coding, playing onPC/Microsoft Windows is open to pirated games and is a goldmine for people seeking pirated software.

Its no wonder whyPC/Microsoft Windows is filled with pirated games, music, movies and other form of entertainment and developers try to avoidPC/Microsoft Windows community as much as possible. OnPC/Microsoft Windows you don't need to transfer the pirated game you downloaded to another machine, that file stays with your system since the machine can play pirated software directly.

Click_Clock

Pirating on PC is not that straight forward especially with DRM related games. You have to know how to apply cracks and keygens as well as the risk of viruses. And often many cracked games will have issues working properly

To pirate on consoles, you can't be the average person with no technical skills. You need to do modding with parts while on the PC/Microsoft Windows, everyone, including their grandfathers can play and set up pirated games on PC/Microsoft Windows. Since there's no hardware modification (again no hardware modifcation) and its basically straight forward, pirating on the PC/Microsoft Windowsis so damn easy that its a common practice amongs all PC gamers and that includes everyone I know. Games are created onPC/Microsoft Windows, there's no middle man to go through, there's no foreign parts to put in your system or download patches or other coding, playing onPC/Microsoft Windows is open to pirated games and is a goldmine for people seeking pirated software.

Its no wonder whyPC/Microsoft Windows is filled with pirated games, music, movies and other form of entertainment and developers try to avoidPC/Microsoft Windows community as much as possible. OnPC/Microsoft Windows you don't need to transfer the pirated game you downloaded to another machine, that file stays with your system since the machine can play pirated software directly.

Click_Clock

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To pirate on consoles, you can't be the average person with no technical skills. You need to do modding with parts while on the PC/Microsoft Windows, everyone, including their grandfathers can play and set up pirated games on PC/Microsoft Windows. Since there's no hardware modification (again no hardware modifcation) and its basically straight forward, pirating on the PC/Microsoft Windowsis so damn easy that its a common practice amongs all PC gamers and that includes everyone I know. Games are created onPC/Microsoft Windows, there's no middle man to go through, there's no foreign parts to put in your system or download patches or other coding, playing onPC/Microsoft Windows is open to pirated games and is a goldmine for people seeking pirated software.

Its no wonder whyPC/Microsoft Windows is filled with pirated games, music, movies and other form of entertainment and developers try to avoidPC/Microsoft Windows community as much as possible. OnPC/Microsoft Windows you don't need to transfer the pirated game you downloaded to another machine, that file stays with your system since the machine can play pirated software directly.

MBirdy88

Your statement is the most idiotic I heard all day, pat yourself on the back and this is coming from someone who actually uses Linux.

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[QUOTE="lightleggy"] This. people dont realize that in case of console games, one torrent downloaded could mean over 100 pirate copies soldlightleggy

For all we know the same happens with PC so what's the point?

Also for all we know most console pirating that isn't 360 or PS3 will most likely end up in the PC tally because it will be for playing with an emulator on PC. So what's the point on calling out something that isn't even certain?

I also live in a country where you can buy pirate copies in plain view, and what you are claiming isn't true, mainly for the sole reason that it can't be completely proved. You are just trying to fool people here(most of them probably are from the US) with stories of faires from lands afar and nonsense like that.

[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="Click_Clock"]Smartphones and Tablets will replace traditional desktop PCs. All PC manufacturers are going mobile and Intel is putting a lot of its resources into mobile chip. Desktop PC (teh one with the tower) will become a very small ninche market.

jun_aka_pekto

Probably those who don't do any real work.

I read an article on Wall Street Journal some time ago about this and it said that this was actually a problem. Many buisnesses jumped to buy tablets for their employees to replace thier PC's (desktops and laptops). But many discovered that tablets only worked for certain specific cases, so basically they wasted money because some had to even rebuy equipment they had already trashed appart from this equipment they don't really need. Apparently PC's (desktops and laptops) are still like 70% of buisnesses computers.

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="Click_Clock"]

To pirate on consoles, you can't be the average person with no technical skills. You need to do modding with parts while on the PC/Microsoft Windows, everyone, including their grandfathers can play and set up pirated games on PC/Microsoft Windows. Since there's no hardware modification (again no hardware modifcation) and its basically straight forward, pirating on the PC/Microsoft Windowsis so damn easy that its a common practice amongs all PC gamers and that includes everyone I know. Games are created onPC/Microsoft Windows, there's no middle man to go through, there's no foreign parts to put in your system or download patches or other coding, playing onPC/Microsoft Windows is open to pirated games and is a goldmine for people seeking pirated software.

Its no wonder whyPC/Microsoft Windows is filled with pirated games, music, movies and other form of entertainment and developers try to avoidPC/Microsoft Windows community as much as possible. OnPC/Microsoft Windows you don't need to transfer the pirated game you downloaded to another machine, that file stays with your system since the machine can play pirated software directly.

Click_Clock

Your statement is the most idiotic I heard all day, pat yourself on the back and this is coming from someone who actually uses Linux.

Most developers these days develop games exclusively for consoles, or else release crappy console ports on the PC after a significant delay. They claim the reason for this is rampant piracy of PC games. But really, its a fact that even console games are pirated quite a lot. Just visit any popular torent or warez site, and you'll come across loads of pirated XBOX 360 and Wii games (pirated PS3 games are also found on these sites, but significantly less than XBOX 360 or Wii games). So why do developers keep claiming that piracy is the reason for them to ignore the PC platform and concentrate on consoles? What is the REAL reason for most major developers sidelining the PC?

sunil_u123

Because we won't swallow their drivel for $60 and they hate that. We don't fall in line like good little slaves. We demand quality.

Well its convinent to for devs to have piracy to blame when something dont do very well. Its alot better then for them to tell their publishers that they did a **** / bad or average game. Anyway a pirate spend more money on average and buy more products then a person that dont pirate. But also there is more competition for devs on pc... There are over 100+ exclusives every year for pc + multiplats and games that are not on english (if you play those). Even if you removed piracy do you think lets say that the average pirate pirate.... 100 games, 100 episodes from series, 50+ movies and 100 songs... do you think (s)he would suddenly start to pull money out of his / her ass and buy ALL of these things that (s)he pirated? If you said yes to this question you are crazy and should seek help.