What's better JRPG's or WRPG's !? *Let the Ultimate Battle Commence*

Knowing System Wars this topic constantly comes.

We've all head.

"All JRPG chacter's are a bunch of metrosexuals"

or the

"WRPG characters look like beefy men with steroids"

or even the

"Only shallow minded otaku's play JRPG's"

and possibly even the

"Only fat, bald, 35 year olds who live in their mothers basement play WRPG's"

So now here's the question which do you prefer?

And I know I can't keep this from getting messy, but please guys just don't get this so dirty that it gets locked.

not being biased ftw?darkmagician06

What I insulted both genres equally.

I like WRPGs better to be honest. Neverwinter Nights, Morrowind, Oblivion, KOTOR, etc... But it's kind of hard to compare them because they both play differently.Baird-06

Agreed JRPG's have superior combat, storyline, and skill WRPG's have superior exploration, customzation, and immersion. They are so different they shouldn't even be part of the same genre.

Also vote people.

:) 

I like both,

But as of right now,

My reigning RPG champ is KOTOR,

So until something steps up and takes it down,

I'd have to go with WRPGs. 

when it comes to priority JRPG>WRPG. both are good, but there are more great JRPGs than WRPGs. so its depends what's on the table. FFXIII please! (menu says: not yet available. damn! now where's ur WPRG?) :lol:hplarjy

While that is true it's only because JRPG's are made so much often because they are more popular. There are a lot more WRPG's that offer quality in it's small size then the JRPG genre, but that's primarly it's a "niche" genre. 

WRPGS.

The Elder Scrolls is one of the best, if not THE best RPG franchise of all time. Daggerfall presented an absolutely MASSIVE world for it's time.

Morrowind and Oblivion have helped define RPGS during their respective generations.

Add Mass Effect/Bioshock, it's just better.

I find more innovation, and more fresh ideas overall in WRPGS, and the genre doesn't seem as choked full of more linear titles that drag the genre's reputation down as a whole.

I don't like FF.

Spoiler Alert: Another thing I like about WRPGs like Oblivion. When I got done killing one of the innocent civilians this dude in a black cloak came out of no where and said how pleased he was with me and wanted me to join his evil organization or whatever...that was freakin awesome... I tried killing him as he walked away..that was also awesome because I was able to do that.

/end spoiler  

I prefer Westerns, and that's all I'll say.Bansheesdie

Translation: Yeee haw!! Screw dem damn Japenese and their cutesy moogle critters!!

i like both for different reasons.

As for me, even though I haven't had as much expeirence with WRPG's *only played Oblvion, Deus Ex, StarCraft, Warcraft, GTA, and Deus Ex* I've so far found them all to be very boring and lack in the combat department, but that's just my opinion. I just prefer JRPG's because there are so many subgenres that have so much craft and variety, and let's not forget about the legendary story telling. ;)Dencore

Deus Ex and GTA aren't WRPGs....I don't think Starcraft or Warcraft is either.  

I wish WRPG's went back to the more complex combat models of BGII:SoA and Wizardry 8, KOTOR's and NWN combat was a joke, way too easy, too boring and too simple.

It depends really. Those who say that WRPGs are more varied in storyline have either never played a good deal of JRPGs or have a thumb up their ***. Games like Persona, Suikoden, and Wild Arms bend the rules of story telling and provide great story lines.Science fiction, political satire, occult, etc? JRPGs have it all. What do find more than naught is that WRPGs have more actiony rpg games. A lot of the times you find that the table top rules have been filed (For lack of a better word) to appease the masses. Never-the-less, WRPGs have engaging stories as well. Neither is really a clear cut winner. My favorite RPG of all time, however, is a JRPG.Vandalvideo

And what would that be?

I agree though people say that alot.

Hell I acutally just got down with an argument at the General Game Discussions board for someone who claimed that every JRPG hasn't changed in the past 20 years and 90% of them have the same gameplay and the same storyline :|

Yes that's true even though half the JRPG's that come out now are action JRPG's.

Anyway I agree there is no clear cut winner, they're both totally different types of genres.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]It depends really. Those who say that WRPGs are more varied in storyline have either never played a good deal of JRPGs or have a thumb up their ***. Games like Persona, Suikoden, and Wild Arms bend the rules of story telling and provide great story lines.Science fiction, political satire, occult, etc? JRPGs have it all. What do find more than naught is that WRPGs have more actiony rpg games. A lot of the times you find that the table top rules have been filed (For lack of a better word) to appease the masses. Never-the-less, WRPGs have engaging stories as well. Neither is really a clear cut winner. My favorite RPG of all time, however, is a JRPG.Dencore

And what would that be?

I agree though people say that alot.

Hell I acutally just got down with an argument at the General Game Discussions board for someone who claimed that every JRPG hasn't changed in the past 20 years and 90% of them have the same gameplay and the same storyline :|

Yes that's true even though half the JRPG's that come out now are action JRPG's.

Anyway I agree there is no clear cut winner, they're both totally different types of genres.

Deus Ex and GTA aren't WRPGs....I don't think Starcraft or Warcraft is either.

majadamus

I started a thread titled "List me some good WRPG" and many claimed that they were WRPG's *except GTA but it is to me* 

Love both for different reasons. They both essentially excel where the other falters. Damn shame there doesn't exist  one that really blends the two sub genre really well.

I typically know what to expect from both, what to keep me interested and what they do poorly that will in some ways let me down again.

For every flaw of one you can for the most part find a flaw of the other, and in many ways these flaws are nothing but subjective views of what a person expects.

Suikoden. It mixes political satire with a retelling of the chinese mythos of The Water Margin. Its up there with Silent Hill in terms of pure intellectual stimulating back story.Vandalvideo

I see. To be honest I haven't beaten too many of the "classic" JRPGs. The ones I usually play are the ones that really experiment or evolve the combat *Star Ocean III (yes the story was garbage), Lunar Knights, Contact for example*

I really like the art style in JRPGs--whereas WRPGs excel in advanced graphics, most of the time.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]It depends really. Those who say that WRPGs are more varied in storyline have either never played a good deal of JRPGs or have a thumb up their ***. Games like Persona, Suikoden, and Wild Arms bend the rules of story telling and provide great story lines.Science fiction, political satire, occult, etc? JRPGs have it all. What do find more than naught is that WRPGs have more actiony rpg games. A lot of the times you find that the table top rules have been filed (For lack of a better word) to appease the masses. Never-the-less, WRPGs have engaging stories as well. Neither is really a clear cut winner. My favorite RPG of all time, however, is a JRPG.Dencore

And what would that be?

I agree though people say that alot.

Hell I acutally just got down with an argument at the General Game Discussions board for someone who claimed that every JRPG hasn't changed in the past 20 years and 90% of them have the same gameplay and the same storyline :|

Yes that's true even though half the JRPG's that come out now are action JRPG's.

Anyway I agree there is no clear cut winner, they're both totally different types of genres.

No, that's not true. I can go way back to the Playstation days and tell you the difference in gameplay. Final Fantasy VII used the materia system which I thought was great, and Final Fantasy VIII used the draw and GF system which I thought was crap, but still they have made changes. Even it there is a minor change, that still is a change. A lot of JRPGs have differences in gameplay. A Grandia game does not play like Dragon Quest.

[QUOTE="Dencore"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]It depends really. Those who say that WRPGs are more varied in storyline have either never played a good deal of JRPGs or have a thumb up their ***. Games like Persona, Suikoden, and Wild Arms bend the rules of story telling and provide great story lines.Science fiction, political satire, occult, etc? JRPGs have it all. What do find more than naught is that WRPGs have more actiony rpg games. A lot of the times you find that the table top rules have been filed (For lack of a better word) to appease the masses. Never-the-less, WRPGs have engaging stories as well. Neither is really a clear cut winner. My favorite RPG of all time, however, is a JRPG.majadamus

And what would that be?

I agree though people say that alot.

Hell I acutally just got down with an argument at the General Game Discussions board for someone who claimed that every JRPG hasn't changed in the past 20 years and 90% of them have the same gameplay and the same storyline :|

Yes that's true even though half the JRPG's that come out now are action JRPG's.

Anyway I agree there is no clear cut winner, they're both totally different types of genres.

No, that's not true. I can go way back to the Playstation days and tell you the difference in gameplay. Final Fantasy VII used the materia system which I thought was great, and Final Fantasy VIII used the draw and GF system which I thought was crap, but still they have made changes. Even it there is a minor change, that still is a change. A lot of JRPGs have differences in gameplay. A Grandia game does not play like Dragon Quest.

Tell that to the guys at the General Game Discussions boards that claim that JRPG's are the least innovative genre of all-time, and that Japanese gamers don't like innovation *yes you read that right* and like gaming to stay the same. 

[QUOTE="darkmagician06"]not being biased ftw?Dencore

What I insulted both genres equally.

I like WRPGs better to be honest. Neverwinter Nights, Morrowind, Oblivion, KOTOR, etc... But it's kind of hard to compare them because they both play differently.Baird-06

Agreed JRPG's have superior combat, storyline, and skill WRPG's have superior exploration, customzation, and immersion. They are so different they shouldn't even be part of the same genre.

Also vote people.

:)

I love JRPGs.. I'm sure there's some great WRPGs out there, but I haven't played one yet... every WRPG I've ever played has been a rehashed battle system ripped off of Baulder's Gate, Diablo or some other PC RPG I try to stay away from like the plague with a new coat of paint over them to appear like they're a new game... most WRPGs have some of the worst storytelling known to man, and usally have craptacular graphics (there's some good looking 360 games coming out, but they still lack style)....

dungeon crawling for an hour, uncovering the same backgrounds over and over again, just walking across a maze of darkness for a stupid little treasure and easy boss battle is NOT FUN 

Most JRPGs just are out of dated now. Sorry but the RPG universe is expanding far behind the normal areas now in sense of gameplay. Of course fanboys will ***** and scream saying it is not an RPG. But who says they have to fit into a defined area? Why can there not be a first person shooter RPG? Or a Simulatation type? In Gameplay, Combat, Story, characters etc....JRPGs are falling behind the curve in almost every area. Maybe that would explain why WRPGs and MMOs are on the rise...while JRPGs sales are starting to fall flat in other areas. I do think this is why a company like Atlus is expanding so greatly finally. They are kind of like what Square used to be. The problem is most makers just are out of touch with the western market. You want to make a big fancy CG game...Go ahead. You want to make a game that you spend more time looking at text blocks, CGs, Cutscenes then actually playing...again go ahead.

Personally. I am waiting for the day we get a GTA Styled RPG. GTA did start to add in some RPGs elements. I want them to go more on it and make it even more RPG like.

Yes you did...but some people are very biased towds one or the other
darkmagician06

I know hence me the warning with the thread. ;P 

WRPG's suck ding ding!

WRPG's suck ding ding!

hustler_151

WRPGs are a lil bit too hardcore,

I think alot of people just cant handle it.

Two Worlds, has 8 player Coop with MMO elements will change things dramatically.

I like both,

But as of right now,

My reigning RPG champ is KOTOR,

So until something steps up and takes it down,

I'd have to go with WRPGs.

TheOwnerOner

I'm with this guy. Kotor and Oblivion are a couple of my favorite games, and ME is coming. WRPGs are way ahead right now. 

[QUOTE="hustler_151"]

WRPG's suck ding ding!

TheOwnerOner

WRPGs are a lil bit too hardcore,

I think alot of people just cant handle it.

Two Worlds, has 8 player Coop with MMO elements will change things dramatically.

Not really I know plenty of people that are "casual" and love games like KOTOR it's all about preference.

Tell me how many times have you heard someone complain about the "turnbased" combat system in JRPG's? 

world of warcraft & burning crusade >>>> the entire jrpg

This is going to sound incredibly biased. 

Western RPGs are much more well rounded than JRPGS.  Western RPGs can give different experiences from the same game.  Many have multiple characters to choose from the get go. Wide open world.  Choose your own path.  Most JRPGs, on the other hand, always seem to follow the same basic storyline, have turn-based random battles (ughhhhh!), have a metrosexual character, and always play the same, not truly open world to explore.  There is always a ridiculous amount of leveling up that you have to do b4 certain boss fights so you don't get owned. 

There are exceptions.  Secret of Mana on SNES was amazing.