What's the best competitive shooter?

Well... anyone here is doing competitive gaming? I'm mostly talking about FPS genre.

What's your most favourite game and why? I mean why you think it's the best when talking about competitive gaming?

My heart goes with Counter Strike: Go atm...
Been fan of the series for quite some time now... I know the game is not the most realistic option out there but it's perfect for competition. Balanced weapons, very tactical and promotes team strategy etc as well as it's kinda minimal with no extra gimmickish sh1t.

My heart wants to say BF3 but there is so many bad design choices that become apparent when you play a close quarters game like suppression to make it a viable competitive option

Tribes Ascend can be pretty competitive and you really need slick aiming in that game to do really well

I have never play a CS game though

It's CS. 

Everything else is far too casual.  Not that it's a bad thing but for true FPS competition there is only one.

Call of Duty 1, it's the best COD out there and one of the greatest games ever made

Call of Duty 1, it's the best COD out there and one of the greatest games ever made

Davekeeh

i frankly have never been able to get used to slower more "modern shooters" , pretty much still play the older UT(unreal tournament) game's / quake(and newer quake-live) / doom and still a fan of the skill based stuff (not really the competive scene thats like gone) of tfc (team fortress classic).

i do like BF tho quite a bit, and planetside 2 was a bit of fun but dident feel like playing and got bored of grind so pass on that, ill try again @ ps4.

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Call of Duty 1, it's the best COD out there and one of the greatest games ever made

V3rciS

Call of Duty :roll:

quake and unreal

other games arent skill based it's that simple just spray and pray.

Quake 3. Consoles don't have competitive shooters btw, they are glorified advertisements.

I agree, competitive shooters are for the PC. No console can ever be as competitive as a PC.

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Call of Duty 1, it's the best COD out there and one of the greatest games ever made

Davekeeh

COD 1 was filled with godlike players because they were using a godmode cheat.  That you didn't notice and were amazed by it doesn't surprise me.  I can see you being amazed by the back of your own hand.

If you play competitive FPS then you play CS or Tribes and that is pretty much it. 

Quake 3. Consoles don't have competitive shooters btw, they are glorified advertisements.

uninspiredcup

Right now that would be Counterstrike GO. 

BF3 and CoD are built for casual play at their core. MLG and other competitive environments may forge competitive gameplay from them, but there are a lot of design decisions that make them very limited for true competition.

Halo 4 is the same way.

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I liked COD 1 & COD 2 (I think the only worthy COD games) hate the rest but still I don't think that you can call them highly competitive for versus matches.

1080pOnly

COD 1 was filled with godlike players because they were using a godmode cheat. That you didn't notice and were amazed by it doesn't surprise me. I can see you being amazed by the back of your own hand.

If you play competitive FPS then you play CS or Tribes and that is pretty much it.

I didn't ask for your irrelevant opinion

Davekeeh

Yet you took the time to reply to it.  Thanks sweetheart.

I agree, competitive shooters are for the PC. No console can ever be as competitive as a PC.

Lumpy311

Not as competitive of PC but in their own sterile environments there can be plenty of pure competition. However the games are never made for real competition. Aim assist and other quality of life things usually lower the skill ceiling. 

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I agree, competitive shooters are for the PC. No console can ever be as competitive as a PC.

Wasdie

Not as competitive of PC but in their own sterile environments there can be plenty of pure competition. However the games are never made for real competition. Aim assist and other quality of life things usually lower the skill ceiling. 

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[QUOTE="Lumpy311"]

I agree, competitive shooters are for the PC. No console can ever be as competitive as a PC.

V3rciS

Not as competitive of PC but in their own sterile environments there can be plenty of pure competition. However the games are never made for real competition. Aim assist and other quality of life things usually lower the skill ceiling. 

Actually it's funny because the most competitive game on the console is CS GO. So even on the console, it's CS. It's not that popular because it doesn't cater to the more casual console audience. I do believe there is no aim-assist though so it's about as pure of competition as you can get.

If there is no aim-assist then it would be a form of pure competition for people with controllers. It's a different set of skills to use a controller compared to a mouse and keyboard. It can be just as demanding. A lot of the competition in FPSs isn't necessarily how good you can shoot but rather you knowledge of the maps, the weapons and how to control them, the game modes, your ability to play as a team, and your aiblity to execute the strategies which aren't going to differ as much on the two platforms. 

However, true competitive gaming doesn't really exist on the consoles outside of fighting games. All of the FPSs on consoles that are played are built for wider, more casual audiences. CoD and Halo being the two biggest played are built for their core audiences who like competitive play with a lower skill ceiling. Halo has a higher skill ceiling but it still has aim assists.

Also don't think a game like CoD can't be competitive, it's just going to be a different form of competition. As long as everybody is playing with a standard set of rules and an even playing field, even with CoD's mecahnics it's competitive. They will have to work together as a team, know the maps, know the weapons, know the abilities, and know the game modes as well as any other competitive shooter. It's just that with games like CoD there are often more variables that do not require as much individual skill or teamwork. In a controlled setting most of these can be removed from the game but in casual play they are all there making it a more casual and fun experience rather than a highly competitive experience.

There are still clear differences between a casual Halo or CoD player and a highly competitive one. However CoD builds mechanics into their game for casual play that gives the weaker player chance through methods that require playing with various indirect gameplay mechanics rather than just beating their opponents directly. That's when the comeptition starts breaking down due to external factors out of players' control.

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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Not as competitive of PC but in their own sterile environments there can be plenty of pure competition. However the games are never made for real competition. Aim assist and other quality of life things usually lower the skill ceiling. 

Wasdie

Actually it's funny because the most competitive game on the console is CS GO. So even on the console, it's CS. It's not that popular because it doesn't cater to the more casual console audience. I do believe there is no aim-assist though so it's about as pure of competition as you can get.

Isn't CS available only on Xbox360? Cause I don't think Valve ever released it for PS3. In any case I haven't tried the console version...

btw we should orginize a system wars game or something... like a small event, or even create a SW clan or something!

Halo is about the only competitive shooter I'd say exists on consoles this gen, but there are some design quirks in each of them that keep from being truly competitive.

Halo 3 with loadouts, and some weapon balancing would be amazing I think.

But yah, I'm under the idea that honestly if you want competitive FPS games then the only true way to get one is PC. It's all in terms of the game design, how it plays in a PC environment, and the community.

Right now I'd say CS: GO, and Tribes Ascend are probably the best options mainly due to their popularity, and very well-balanced gameplay from my experience. Unreal doesn't seem very popular anymore (mainly because UT3 was not as good as UT2K4), and the last time I played Quake Live it wasn't very populated.

Personally I think TF2 without crits, without some terrible items like the Huntsman and Dead Ringer, and perhaps a two-per-team cap limit on classes would be an amazing competitive game. Sadly that's not the case :(

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Exactly... there's a reason all these 'gaming tournaments' are played on PCs.
Also it's not a coincidence that most of the shooter tournaments involve CS, some of the biggest clans are CS clans. I've never heard of a big COD or BF clan.

V3rciS

Actually it's funny because the most competitive game on the console is CS GO. So even on the console, it's CS. It's not that popular because it doesn't cater to the more casual console audience. I do believe there is no aim-assist though so it's about as pure of competition as you can get.

Isn't CS available only on Xbox360? Cause I don't think Valve ever released it for PS3. In any case I haven't tried the console version...

btw we should orginize a system wars game or something... like a small event, or even create a SW clan or something!

SW clan, the least united clan ever.

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[QUOTE="V3rciS"]
Exactly... there's a reason all these 'gaming tournaments' are played on PCs.
Also it's not a coincidence that most of the shooter tournaments involve CS, some of the biggest clans are CS clans. I've never heard of a big COD or BF clan.

V3rciS

Actually it's funny because the most competitive game on the console is CS GO. So even on the console, it's CS. It's not that popular because it doesn't cater to the more casual console audience. I do believe there is no aim-assist though so it's about as pure of competition as you can get.

Isn't CS available only on Xbox360? Cause I don't think Valve ever released it for PS3. In any case I haven't tried the console version...

btw we should orginize a system wars game or something... like a small event, or even create a SW clan or something!

Personally I think TF2 without crits, without some terrible items like the Huntsman and Dead Ringer, and perhaps a two-per-team cap limit on classes would be an amazing competitive game. Sadly that's not the case :(

Ly_the_Fairy

That's mostly how competitive TF2 works, and competitive TF2 is very much alive. Only there's Highlander and 6's, in Highlander there's 1 of each class, and in 6's the are 2 Soldiers, 2 Scouts, a Medic, and a Demoman, altough they can all switch, but there can't be more than 2 of each class, and there can only be 1 Demoman and 1 Medic, and 1 Heavy.

Isn't CS available only on Xbox360? Cause I don't think Valve ever released it for PS3. In any case I haven't tried the console version...

btw we should orginize a system wars game or something... like a small event, or even create a SW clan or something!

V3rciS

It's on the PS3 as well. You can use the mouse and keyboard on the PS3. It's kind of hilarious. Gamespot even did a little feature showing how much of an advantage that gives you. I can't find it though.

Actually I did find it.

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Personally I think TF2 without crits, without some terrible items like the Huntsman and Dead Ringer, and perhaps a two-per-team cap limit on classes would be an amazing competitive game. Sadly that's not the case :(

Lumpy311

That's mostly how competitive TF2 works, and competitive TF2 is very much alive. Only there's Highlander and 6's, in Highlander there's 1 of each class, and in 6's the are 2 Soldiers, 2 Scouts, a Medic, and a Demoman, altough they can all switch, but there can't be more than 2 of each class, and there can only be 1 Demoman and 1 Medic, and 1 Heavy.

Yah, but try-hard gaming is not what I want :P

I just want to play a 10v10, or a 12v12, and not get randomly crit, or have 5 snipers on my team :P

That'd be a very nice pick-up-and-play competitive game which is what I want.

 

SW clan, the least united clan ever.

Lumpy311

I'll join

[SW] Davekeeh

Yes.

Davekeeh

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SW clan, the least united clan ever.

V3rciS

I'll join

[SW] Davekeeh

Yes.

Davekeeh

Hell, i'd join it faster then then it would be created, i love all of you, just poking some fun.

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Isn't CS available only on Xbox360? Cause I don't think Valve ever released it for PS3. In any case I haven't tried the console version...

btw we should orginize a system wars game or something... like a small event, or even create a SW clan or something!

Wasdie

It's on the PS3 as well. You can use the mouse and keyboard on the PS3. It's kind of hilarious. Gamespot even did a little feature showing how much of an advantage that gives you. I can't find it though.

Actually I did find it.

lol nice video... but I think it's soo unfair for people that still use the controller cause I guess it puts them in the same pool (keyboards&mouse/controllers)

TF2 is the only correct answer.

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Isn't CS available only on Xbox360? Cause I don't think Valve ever released it for PS3. In any case I haven't tried the console version...

btw we should orginize a system wars game or something... like a small event, or even create a SW clan or something!

Wasdie

It's on the PS3 as well. You can use the mouse and keyboard on the PS3. It's kind of hilarious. Gamespot even did a little feature showing how much of an advantage that gives you. I can't find it though.

Actually I did find it.

That just looks awful :(

 

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Ah come on... I think it can work pretty well, all this fanboy rivalry here is for fun anyway... even Davekeeh wants to join lol

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I'll join

[SW] Davekeeh

Yes.

Lumpy311

Hell, i'd join it faster then then it would be created, i love all of you, just poking some fun.

Counter Strike.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpMIDQ23gdI

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SW clan, the least united clan ever.

V3rciS

I'll join

[SW] Davekeeh

Yes.

Davekeeh

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V3rciS

Hell, i'd join it faster then then it would be created, i love all of you, just poking some fun.

I vote for Wasdie too, if he's in.

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[QUOTE="Lumpy311"]

Hell, i'd join it faster then then it would be created, i love all of you, just poking some fun.

Lumpy311

I vote for Wasdie too, if he's in.

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[QUOTE="V3rciS"]
nice... I vote Wasdie to lead us lol (you're in man?)

Clan tag [SW]

V3rciS

I vote for Wasdie too, if he's in.

If done right it could actually be a very fun idea. Maybe make a thread on it?

Quake live solo and Halo 3 team.

CS has just always been too campy for me to get into.

Quake live solo and Halo 3 team.

 

CS has just always been too campy for me to get into.

BeardMaster

I have yet to experience any camping in CS: GO so far (I've only played about 9 hours).

CS: GO seems far more designed around the competitive community than any prior CS, so every match is about team work, and tons of communication.

It's a rare treat to see that every game I've played so far in GO has a proper team communicating with each other. Not like earlier CS games where people just yelled profanity into the mic, and attempted to grief players they didn't like :P

nice... I vote Wasdie to lead us lol (you're in man?)

Clan tag [SW]

V3rciS

I only have it on the PC. I'm not going to buy CS for the 360.

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nice... I vote Wasdie to lead us lol (you're in man?)

Clan tag [SW]

Wasdie

I only have it on the PC. I'm not going to buy CS for the 360.

I'm sure the clan would be on Steam.

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[QUOTE="V3rciS"]

nice... I vote Wasdie to lead us lol (you're in man?)

Clan tag [SW]

Lumpy311

I only have it on the PC. I'm not going to buy CS for the 360.

I'm sure the clan would be on Steam.

Well in that case we might as well make a Steam System Wars group. I would be up to be a co-creator/manager for that. I'll throw it in the lounge. Don't go off making stuff yet. I'll give it some thought and keep System Wars posted. Gotta generate some real interest before doing something like that.

Steam is a very powerful community tool that is great to use.

Quake live solo and Halo 3 team.

 

CS has just always been too campy for me to get into.

BeardMaster

Real 5v5 competitive CS is really where the game shines. The whole $800 buying limit is how it's supposed to be played. You can't afford to camp.

Ever wonder why there are always 2 sets of hostages or 2 bomb sites? Forces movement.

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I only have it on the PC. I'm not going to buy CS for the 360.

Wasdie

I'm sure the clan would be on Steam.

Well in that case we might as well make a Steam System Wars group. I would be up to be a co-creator/manager for that. I'll throw it in the lounge. Don't go off making stuff yet. I'll give it some thought and keep System Wars posted. Gotta generate some real interest before doing something like that.

Steam is a very powerful community tool that is great to use.

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[QUOTE="Lumpy311"]

I'm sure the clan would be on Steam.

Davekeeh

Well in that case we might as well make a Steam System Wars group. I would be up to be a co-creator/manager for that. I'll throw it in the lounge. Don't go off making stuff yet. I'll give it some thought and keep System Wars posted. Gotta generate some real interest before doing something like that.

Steam is a very powerful community tool that is great to use.

Those are all good questions. I'll throw together something tonight for some basic feedback. The main thing is with the forum changes coming I don't want to commit to anything right away. I gotta run it by other moderators too.