Whats the best looking rpg in realtime , not a cgi rpg( Final Fantasy).

Blue Dragon

You are misinformed... Thats sad.

FFXIII, because I think so and wanna mess with the TC

I would say FFXIII, Lost Odyssey, or Mass Effect. All very nice looking titles.

I wouldn't say BD, to be honest the art direction doesn't lead to the most intensive of rendering. On that same note I would still prefer Eternal Sonoata to BD.

Best looking RPG in real time?


foxhound_fox

this owns that:

:) 

Oblivion is currently the best looking real-time RPG.

/thread 

FFXIII

 It's a done deal.

I second Blue Dragon. The game is the first truly next gen JRPG.Nex_Ownage

But does it look the "best". Like I said before the art style isn't very intensive in terms of technical graphics, relative to that of the other next gen RPGs coming out.

Look at the image again provided in this thread. Look at the level of detail on any given character, does it really approach the detail the other RPGs are pushing? I'm not saying BD doesn't look good mind you, I'm saying that it's very sharp and relatively more simple by it's own design.

Best looking RPG in real time?


foxhound_fox

Watch Bethesda **** up the third one... :( 

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Best looking RPG in real time?


Infernal246

Watch Bethesda **** up the third one... :( 

Bethesda hasn't really messed up that much in the past. There is such backlash about Fallout being under their control, but to be honest I can't wait to see how they approach the game.

Don't get me wrong I have a large list of reasons why Oblivion is broken, but the company has a pretty strong track record. And despite me thinking that Oblivion is overrated for what it really offers, it still did took many great strides for the series.

[QUOTE="Infernal246"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Best looking RPG in real time?


-RPGamer-

Watch Bethesda **** up the third one... :(

Bethesda hasn't really messed up that much in the past. There is such backlash about Fallout being under their control, but to be honest I can't wait to see how they approach the game.

Don't get me wrong I have a large list of reasons why Oblivion is broken, but the company has a pretty strong track record. And despite me thinking that Oblivion is overrated for what it really offers, it still did took many great strides for the series.

I can't wait to see what they do with it either, but its my second favorite series so I'm a little afraid...

Will it be PC exclusive?

Will it be 1st person?

Realtime or turn based?

Will they **** up the leveling system as bad as Oblivions?  

[QUOTE="Nex_Ownage"]I second Blue Dragon. The game is the first truly next gen JRPG.-RPGamer-

But does it look the "best". Like I said before the art style isn't very intensive in terms of technical graphics, relative to that of the other next gen RPGs coming out.

Look at the image again provided in this thread. Look at the level of detail on any given character, does it really approach the detail the other RPGs are pushing? I'm not saying BD doesn't look good mind you, I'm saying that it's very sharp and relatively more simple by it's own design.

And in comparison to other JRPGS, well i've only seen trailers of Shirokishi monogatari, Eternal Sonata, Lost Odyssey , and while they look impressive, i've yet to see something that look's better than BD.  

 And of course, there is  the amazing FFXIII trailer  , but IMO, When SE showed the trailer, the game was still too early in development for it to be something other than CGi.

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

[QUOTE="Nex_Ownage"]I second Blue Dragon. The game is the first truly next gen JRPG.Nex_Ownage

But does it look the "best". Like I said before the art style isn't very intensive in terms of technical graphics, relative to that of the other next gen RPGs coming out.

Look at the image again provided in this thread. Look at the level of detail on any given character, does it really approach the detail the other RPGs are pushing? I'm not saying BD doesn't look good mind you, I'm saying that it's very sharp and relatively more simple by it's own design.

And in comparison to other JRPGS, well i've only seen trailers of Shirokishi monogatari, Eternal Sonata, Lost Odyssey , and while they look impressive, i've yet to see something that look's better than BD.  

 And of course, there is  the amazing FFXIII trailer  , but IMO, When SE showed the trailer, the game was still too early in development for it to be something other than CGi.

The environments are expanisve, but not as detailed as say even Oblivion. The actual models for characters and enemies for that matter is relatively lean compared to the other RPGs. Prime example of this is the hair alone. I think you're confusing sharp graphics (something say the like PS2 couldn't do well), with actual difficulty to render those type of artistic designs. I don't see BD pushing much of anything compared to that of the other titles, not saying I'm not interested just not overly impressed.

Toriyama's art style in a fully 3D environment was seen last gen in less crisp showing called Dragon Quest VIII. Honesty I think you're confusing artistic direction (which you obviously like in this instance) with actual difficulty to render.

    I've got the visual settings turned down a bit so I can run a bunch of weather, graphic, and botanical mods. This is on 3-year-old hardware, booyah! Images link to full size.br0kenrabbit

...and that looks pretty bad compared to mine. :D 

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"] I've got the visual settings turned down a bit so I can run a bunch of weather, graphic, and botanical mods. This is on 3-year-old hardware, booyah! Images link to full size.Planeforger

...and that looks pretty bad compared to mine. :D

   I've got the visual settings turned down a bit so I can run a bunch of weather, graphic, and botanical mods. This is on 3-year-old hardware, booyah! Images link to full size.br0kenrabbit

[QUOTE="Nex_Ownage"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

[QUOTE="Nex_Ownage"]I second Blue Dragon. The game is the first truly next gen JRPG.-RPGamer-

But does it look the "best". Like I said before the art style isn't very intensive in terms of technical graphics, relative to that of the other next gen RPGs coming out.

Look at the image again provided in this thread. Look at the level of detail on any given character, does it really approach the detail the other RPGs are pushing? I'm not saying BD doesn't look good mind you, I'm saying that it's very sharp and relatively more simple by it's own design.

And in comparison to other JRPGS, well i've only seen trailers of Shirokishi monogatari, Eternal Sonata, Lost Odyssey , and while they look impressive, i've yet to see something that look's better than BD.

And of course, there is the amazing FFXIII trailer , but IMO, When SE showed the trailer, the game was still too early in development for it to be something other than CGi.

The environments are expanisve, but not as detailed as say even Oblivion. The actual models for characters and enemies for that matter is relatively lean compared to the other RPGs. Prime example of this is the hair alone. I think you're confusing sharp graphics (something say the like PS2 couldn't do well), with actual difficulty to render those type of artistic designs. I don't see BD pushing much of anything compared to that of the other titles, not saying I'm not interested just not overly impressed.

Toriyama's art style in a fully 3D environment was seen last gen in less crisp showing called Dragon Quest VIII. Honesty I think you're confusing artistic direction (which you obviously like in this instance) with actual difficulty to render.

here's a pic of what it look's like in game.

Now it may not be that impressive from a single pic, but trust me, the results are beautiful ingame and as i've said , i've never seen anything like this before.

and there are the characters in DQ, which look like they are hand drawn, but in BD, the charcaters look like a perfectly scuplted SD figurines. So overall the games look drastically different.

Now, about the details, While i admit it's not as detailed as oblivion, it's still not just a "sharp" looking game with bland characters and enemies. the lighting, weather and water effects puts oblivion to shame, and many of the enemiess are much more detailed than what you expect out of a game with a cartoonish look. add to unbelievibly fluid animation and the constant 60 fps and the results are one techinically/artistaclly excellent game IMO.

Best looking RPG in real time?


foxhound_fox

HELL YA!

Mass Effect is by far best looking RPG.

Either FFXIII, White Knight Story or Mass Effect in my view.

They're all very nice. I prefer FFXIII's artistic style to the others though and the graphics do seem sharper. Then again, it's not out till next year.

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"] I've got the visual settings turned down a bit so I can run a bunch of weather, graphic, and botanical mods. This is on 3-year-old hardware, booyah! Images link to full size.foxhound_fox

Best looking RPG in real time?


foxhound_fox

I love fallout!!

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[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="Nex_Ownage"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

[QUOTE="Nex_Ownage"]I second Blue Dragon. The game is the first truly next gen JRPG.Nex_Ownage

But does it look the "best". Like I said before the art style isn't very intensive in terms of technical graphics, relative to that of the other next gen RPGs coming out.

Look at the image again provided in this thread. Look at the level of detail on any given character, does it really approach the detail the other RPGs are pushing? I'm not saying BD doesn't look good mind you, I'm saying that it's very sharp and relatively more simple by it's own design.

And in comparison to other JRPGS, well i've only seen trailers of Shirokishi monogatari, Eternal Sonata, Lost Odyssey , and while they look impressive, i've yet to see something that look's better than BD.

And of course, there is the amazing FFXIII trailer , but IMO, When SE showed the trailer, the game was still too early in development for it to be something other than CGi.

The environments are expanisve, but not as detailed as say even Oblivion. The actual models for characters and enemies for that matter is relatively lean compared to the other RPGs. Prime example of this is the hair alone. I think you're confusing sharp graphics (something say the like PS2 couldn't do well), with actual difficulty to render those type of artistic designs. I don't see BD pushing much of anything compared to that of the other titles, not saying I'm not interested just not overly impressed.

Toriyama's art style in a fully 3D environment was seen last gen in less crisp showing called Dragon Quest VIII. Honesty I think you're confusing artistic direction (which you obviously like in this instance) with actual difficulty to render.

here's a pic of what it look's like in game. 

Now it may not be that impressive from a single pic, but trust me, the results are beautiful ingame and as i've said , i've never seen anything like this before.

and there are the characters in DQ, which look like they are hand drawn, but in BD, the charcaters look like a perfectly scuplted SD figurines. So overall the games look drastically different.

Now, about the details, While i admit it's not as detailed as oblivion, it's still not just a "sharp" looking game with bland characters and enemies. the lighting, weather and water effects puts oblivion to shame, and many of the enemiess are much more detailed than what you expect out of a game with a cartoonish look. add to unbelievibly fluid animation and the constant 60 fps and the results are one techinically/artistaclly excellent game IMO.

They look alike, cel-shaded or not (it's cel not "cell" as in what makes up a living thing). The style is very similar, Toriyama rarely steps outside his go to look. It's not just the faces that he carries over in his style. He has a rather clean and simple art style, I like to refer to it as "pop anime". And DQVIII is fully 3D. A fully 3D environment is not new, nor is blur effects. Nothing you're mentioning makes BD stand out, nor does it negate what I've already said about the art style leading to less intensive models.

I didn't say that the game isn't excellent. You're misunderstanding me obviously. My comments are about relative greatness, while BD looks great for it's simple and clean look (btw saving on lower detail models opens up resources for other effects, such as water/weather/etc.), it doesn't push as hard as the other RPGs imho. The character models in the other titles alone are just more impressive technically, and b/c of this I find more appreciation in the remainder of the graphics they offer. Remember relativity.

SMT: Nocturne. Stuff looking realistic, the atmospheric cel-shading was more visually appealing to me than modern graphical powerhouses like Oblivion.

But then, that's just my personal preference.

[QUOTE="Nex_Ownage"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="Nex_Ownage"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

[QUOTE="Nex_Ownage"]I second Blue Dragon. The game is the first truly next gen JRPG.-RPGamer-

But does it look the "best". Like I said before the art style isn't very intensive in terms of technical graphics, relative to that of the other next gen RPGs coming out.

Look at the image again provided in this thread. Look at the level of detail on any given character, does it really approach the detail the other RPGs are pushing? I'm not saying BD doesn't look good mind you, I'm saying that it's very sharp and relatively more simple by it's own design.

And in comparison to other JRPGS, well i've only seen trailers of Shirokishi monogatari, Eternal Sonata, Lost Odyssey , and while they look impressive, i've yet to see something that look's better than BD.

And of course, there is the amazing FFXIII trailer , but IMO, When SE showed the trailer, the game was still too early in development for it to be something other than CGi.

The environments are expanisve, but not as detailed as say even Oblivion. The actual models for characters and enemies for that matter is relatively lean compared to the other RPGs. Prime example of this is the hair alone. I think you're confusing sharp graphics (something say the like PS2 couldn't do well), with actual difficulty to render those type of artistic designs. I don't see BD pushing much of anything compared to that of the other titles, not saying I'm not interested just not overly impressed.

Toriyama's art style in a fully 3D environment was seen last gen in less crisp showing called Dragon Quest VIII. Honesty I think you're confusing artistic direction (which you obviously like in this instance) with actual difficulty to render.

here's a pic of what it look's like in game.

Now it may not be that impressive from a single pic, but trust me, the results are beautiful ingame and as i've said , i've never seen anything like this before.

and there are the characters in DQ, which look like they are hand drawn, but in BD, the charcaters look like a perfectly scuplted SD figurines. So overall the games look drastically different.

Now, about the details, While i admit it's not as detailed as oblivion, it's still not just a "sharp" looking game with bland characters and enemies. the lighting, weather and water effects puts oblivion to shame, and many of the enemiess are much more detailed than what you expect out of a game with a cartoonish look. add to unbelievibly fluid animation and the constant 60 fps and the results are one techinically/artistaclly excellent game IMO.

They look alike, cel-shaded or not (it's cel not "cell" is in what makes up a living thing). The style is very similar, Toriyama rarely steps outside his go to look. It's not just the faces that he carries over in his style. He has a rather clean and simple art style, I like to refer to it as "pop anime". And wake up DQVIII is fully 3D. A fully 3D environment is not new, nor is blur effects. Nothing you're mentuioning makes BD stand out, nor does it neaget what I've already said about the art style leading to less intensive models.

I didn't say that the game isn't excellent. You're misunderstanding me obviously. My comments are about relative greatness, while BD looks great for it's simple and clean look (btw saving on lower detailed models opens up resources for other effects, such as water/weather/etc.), it doesn't push as hard as the other RPGs imho. The character models in the other titles alone are just more impressive technically, and b/c of this I find more appreciation in the remainder of the graphics they offer. Remember relativity.

Anyway, it seems to me that the argument was pointless to begin with as clearly, each of us defines "graphically impressive" in a very different way so why not just agree to disagree and call it a night , k? :)

I just hope you give BD a chance as it is a truly great game and no one with "RPGamer" in his username should miss out on it.

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="Nex_Ownage"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="Nex_Ownage"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

[QUOTE="Nex_Ownage"]I second Blue Dragon. The game is the first truly next gen JRPG.Nex_Ownage

But does it look the "best". Like I said before the art style isn't very intensive in terms of technical graphics, relative to that of the other next gen RPGs coming out.

Look at the image again provided in this thread. Look at the level of detail on any given character, does it really approach the detail the other RPGs are pushing? I'm not saying BD doesn't look good mind you, I'm saying that it's very sharp and relatively more simple by it's own design.

And in comparison to other JRPGS, well i've only seen trailers of Shirokishi monogatari, Eternal Sonata, Lost Odyssey , and while they look impressive, i've yet to see something that look's better than BD.

And of course, there is the amazing FFXIII trailer , but IMO, When SE showed the trailer, the game was still too early in development for it to be something other than CGi.

The environments are expanisve, but not as detailed as say even Oblivion. The actual models for characters and enemies for that matter is relatively lean compared to the other RPGs. Prime example of this is the hair alone. I think you're confusing sharp graphics (something say the like PS2 couldn't do well), with actual difficulty to render those type of artistic designs. I don't see BD pushing much of anything compared to that of the other titles, not saying I'm not interested just not overly impressed.

Toriyama's art style in a fully 3D environment was seen last gen in less crisp showing called Dragon Quest VIII. Honesty I think you're confusing artistic direction (which you obviously like in this instance) with actual difficulty to render.

here's a pic of what it look's like in game.

Now it may not be that impressive from a single pic, but trust me, the results are beautiful ingame and as i've said , i've never seen anything like this before.

and there are the characters in DQ, which look like they are hand drawn, but in BD, the charcaters look like a perfectly scuplted SD figurines. So overall the games look drastically different.

Now, about the details, While i admit it's not as detailed as oblivion, it's still not just a "sharp" looking game with bland characters and enemies. the lighting, weather and water effects puts oblivion to shame, and many of the enemiess are much more detailed than what you expect out of a game with a cartoonish look. add to unbelievibly fluid animation and the constant 60 fps and the results are one techinically/artistaclly excellent game IMO.

They look alike, cel-shaded or not (it's cel not "cell" is in what makes up a living thing). The style is very similar, Toriyama rarely steps outside his go to look. It's not just the faces that he carries over in his style. He has a rather clean and simple art style, I like to refer to it as "pop anime". And wake up DQVIII is fully 3D. A fully 3D environment is not new, nor is blur effects. Nothing you're mentuioning makes BD stand out, nor does it neaget what I've already said about the art style leading to less intensive models.

I didn't say that the game isn't excellent. You're misunderstanding me obviously. My comments are about relative greatness, while BD looks great for it's simple and clean look (btw saving on lower detailed models opens up resources for other effects, such as water/weather/etc.), it doesn't push as hard as the other RPGs imho. The character models in the other titles alone are just more impressive technically, and b/c of this I find more appreciation in the remainder of the graphics they offer. Remember relativity.

Anyway, it seems to me that the argument was pointless to begin with as clearly, each of us defines "graphically impressive" in a very different way so why not just agree to disagree and call it a night , k? :)

I just hope you give BD a chance as it is a truly great game and no one with "RPGamer" in his username should miss out on it.

I play a lot of RPGs that look like garbage. The reason I say that is b/c I think you're taking my slightly negative stance (albeit I did say BD looks "great" and will be "excellent") towards it's graphics relative to that of others as me not being interested at all. That's not the case at all.

I'll agree that we view graphics differently, but I think that's b/c I'm focusing in on the objective part of graphics (level of detail), attempting to not look at it subjectively (invest interest in the style of art being used (ie "perfectly scuplted SD figurines" or something similar). Get some sleep and have a good night :)