What's the big deal about Sony abandoning cell?

[QUOTE="alextheman123"]

Lemmings are indeed 'nature's retard'.

All this means is Sony is handing the production plant over so they don't have to spend the money on advances in cell's technology. By doing this, its one less thing Sony has to worry about. Sony now is just going to be buying their cell chips from Toshiba while they along with IBM takes on the responsibility of making them.

The PS3 has the Cell now and will have it for the rest of the console's life. Seriously lemmings need to take some economics courses and then they may finally realize that this will be saving Sony money in the long run.

thirstychainsaw

So what you're saying is the Cell is indeed a flop? If it wasn't why would Sony give up manufacturing rights? I mean if the Cell didn't flop and it was going to make Sony millions, why would they back out of it?

because they can't take the financial risk to do it. I bet they can but the odds are highly stacked against them if they did.

[QUOTE="alextheman123"]

Lemmings are indeed 'nature's retard'.

All this means is Sony is handing the production plant over so they don't have to spend the money on advances in cell's technology. By doing this, its one less thing Sony has to worry about. Sony now is just going to be buying their cell chips from Toshiba while they along with IBM takes on the responsibility of making them.

The PS3 has the Cell now and will have it for the rest of the console's life. Seriously lemmings need to take some economics courses and then they may finally realize that this will be saving Sony money in the long run.

thirstychainsaw

So what you're saying is the Cell is indeed a flop? If it wasn't why would Sony give up manufacturing rights? I mean if the Cell didn't flop and it was going to make Sony millions, why would they back out of it?

Im confused, just because they are no longer making it themselves doesnt mean they are backing out of it. If the cell flopped so hard, why would Toshiba want in?

[QUOTE="alextheman123"]

Lemmings are indeed 'nature's retard'.

All this means is Sony is handing the production plant over so they don't have to spend the money on advances in cell's technology. By doing this, its one less thing Sony has to worry about. Sony now is just going to be buying their cell chips from Toshiba while they along with IBM takes on the responsibility of making them.

The PS3 has the Cell now and will have it for the rest of the console's life. Seriously lemmings need to take some economics courses and then they may finally realize that this will be saving Sony money in the long run.

Gun_Haze

Somethign about SW doesn't let ppl think

It goes both ways, remember when Bungie left Microsoft?

[QUOTE="alextheman123"]

Lemmings are indeed 'nature's retard'.

All this means is Sony is handing the production plant over so they don't have to spend the money on advances in cell's technology. By doing this, its one less thing Sony has to worry about. Sony now is just going to be buying their cell chips from Toshiba while they along with IBM takes on the responsibility of making them.

The PS3 has the Cell now and will have it for the rest of the console's life. Seriously lemmings need to take some economics courses and then they may finally realize that this will be saving Sony money in the long run.

thirstychainsaw

So what you're saying is the Cell is indeed a flop? If it wasn't why would Sony give up manufacturing rights? I mean if the Cell didn't flop and it was going to make Sony millions, why would they back out of it?

Sony has other departments besides gaming which is the only thing cell is linked to(ps3)as of now. The only way Sony would be making money off the cell is through the ps3, and Sony wasnt making money off the cell when they were constantly spending millions and millions in technlogical advances for it. It's the smart thing to do since they get money from selling the plant, they don't have to worry about making the chips anymore, and they now have money to put into other advances for other devices they make.

As I said before it will SAVE them money by not having to make the cell chips anymore, and it will be a hell of a long time before cell becomes cheap and quick enough to produce to be bringing in millions in profit.

ot means nothing for the PS3. PS3s will be produced and they will have cells in them. u can bet sony had that in any agreement they made with ibm and co. so for PS3....nothing to worry about.

its a blow for cell itself though. it looks like they realised that it wasnt going to have a life outside the PS3 so they didnt want to put any more money into its future development. chances are we wont be hearing much more from cell in the future. ibm and toshiba will probably shelve it and use some parts of its design as a reference for future chip designs. the cell as we know it though is probably going to go the way of the emotion engine.

it could also be an indication that sony are going to start again with a new chip thats alot more developer friendly for the PS4. its clear that alot of devs are seriously unhappy with the cell for games development so perhaps sony is taking this on board for the PS4. doesent rule out PS3 emulation mind (yes the PS3 will be able to be emulated by 2011-12) so BC is by no means off the table.

but as far as the PS3 goes, this means absolutely nothing. they will be priduced in the future, they will have cells and they will behave in the same way.

[QUOTE="thirstychainsaw"][QUOTE="alextheman123"]

Lemmings are indeed 'nature's retard'.

All this means is Sony is handing the production plant over so they don't have to spend the money on advances in cell's technology. By doing this, its one less thing Sony has to worry about. Sony now is just going to be buying their cell chips from Toshiba while they along with IBM takes on the responsibility of making them.

The PS3 has the Cell now and will have it for the rest of the console's life. Seriously lemmings need to take some economics courses and then they may finally realize that this will be saving Sony money in the long run.

alextheman123

So what you're saying is the Cell is indeed a flop? If it wasn't why would Sony give up manufacturing rights? I mean if the Cell didn't flop and it was going to make Sony millions, why would they back out of it?

Sony has other departments besides gaming which is the only thing cell is linked to(ps3)as of now. The only way Sony would be making money off the cell is through the ps3, and Sony wasnt making money off the cell when they were constantly spending millions and millions in technlogical advances for it. It's the smart thing to do since they get money from selling the plant, they don't have to worry about making the chips anymore, and they now have money to put into other advances for other devices they make.

As I said before it will SAVE them money by not having to make the cell chips anymore, and it will be a hell of a long time before cell becomes cheap and quick enough to produce to be bringing in millions in profit.

Damn, I should have really thought that through. I admit I got pwned, well done sir.

[QUOTE="Gun_Haze"][QUOTE="alextheman123"]

Lemmings are indeed 'nature's retard'.

All this means is Sony is handing the production plant over so they don't have to spend the money on advances in cell's technology. By doing this, its one less thing Sony has to worry about. Sony now is just going to be buying their cell chips from Toshiba while they along with IBM takes on the responsibility of making them.

The PS3 has the Cell now and will have it for the rest of the console's life. Seriously lemmings need to take some economics courses and then they may finally realize that this will be saving Sony money in the long run.

kevy619

Somethign about SW doesn't let ppl think

It goes both ways, remember when Bungie left Microsoft?

If Sony is giving up with the development of the cell, why should developers continue to pump money into R&D to improve the potential of the hardware? The developers working with the hardware are jumping through hoops to get their games to run on it and if there is going to be no longterm reward, what's the point?iunderstand

clearly, iunderstand doesnt understand.

sony can still use the cell for ps4. its just that they won't be doing the R&D anymore.

If Sony is giving up with the development of the cell, why should developers continue to pump money into R&D to improve the potential of the hardware? The developers working with the hardware are jumping through hoops to get their games to run on it and if there is going to be no longterm reward, what's the point?iunderstand

So does that mean graphics will no longer improve on PS3 games?

[QUOTE="alextheman123"]

Lemmings are indeed 'nature's retard'.

All this means is Sony is handing the production plant over so they don't have to spend the money on advances in cell's technology. By doing this, its one less thing Sony has to worry about. Sony now is just going to be buying their cell chips from Toshiba while they along with IBM takes on the responsibility of making them.

The PS3 has the Cell now and will have it for the rest of the console's life. Seriously lemmings need to take some economics courses and then they may finally realize that this will be saving Sony money in the long run.

thirstychainsaw

So what you're saying is the Cell is indeed a flop? If it wasn't why would Sony give up manufacturing rights? I mean if the Cell didn't flop and it was going to make Sony millions, why would they back out of it?

production cost goes down for the PS3... How hard is that to understand? They're not "backing out".

[QUOTE="iunderstand"]If Sony is giving up with the development of the cell, why should developers continue to pump money into R&D to improve the potential of the hardware? The developers working with the hardware are jumping through hoops to get their games to run on it and if there is going to be no longterm reward, what's the point?exiledsnake

clearly, iunderstand doesnt understand.

sony can still use the cell for ps4. its just that they won't be doing the R&D anymore.

And if Sony isn't funding the research to advance the potential of the hardware it will have a short life. Why should developers waste resources on a technology that is losing support?

[QUOTE="Shad0ki11"][QUOTE="Gun_Haze"][QUOTE="Shad0ki11"]

It's time for Sony to abandon ship.

jessie5788

Anyway, why?

If Sony's the ship, then who's on it?

Have you forgotten that Sony has more divisions besides gaming?

I'd say the PS3 is the Ship, and Sony game division is on board.

-_-"

you didn't state why the sony needs to abandon ship. please explain if you going to say dumb ideas you need to tell why.

Okay

They need to abandon ship because they are losing a lot of money because of the Playstation3's failure to catch up it's competitors and make more money that could quite possible benefit Sony.

I am going to do brief explanation of my sinking ship example (I really shouldn't have to do this...)

When a ship is sinking, it is natural for all those on board to either try to repair the leak, or simply abandon ship.

Sony failed to improve (or "repair the 'leak'") on their ship (The frickin' S.S. PS3) so they must abandon ship before they drown in liquid failure. While they are drowning, the -frickin'- S.S. PS3 sinks to the bottom of the sea of liquid failure with all their money and all the money they could have earned if they had only "launched" the ship successfully. The unsuccesssful launch was due to the fact that the bottle didn't break on the ship before it was supposed to set out to sea of failure, cross it, and reach the promised land. The bottle = the initial price of the PS3 and everything that is needed for a successful "launch". Promised land = success; the land of money; "Land of Pure Win".

Would you peoplelike me to explain it an an another apparently confusing way? Or wouldsomeone like to criticize me just one more time???

:evil:

[QUOTE="iunderstand"]If Sony is giving up with the development of the cell, why should developers continue to pump money into R&D to improve the potential of the hardware? The developers working with the hardware are jumping through hoops to get their games to run on it and if there is going to be no longterm reward, what's the point?Baurus_1

So does that mean graphics will no longer improve on PS3 games?

I never said that. I said why should developers continue to waste their time and money developing code for hardware that Sony no longer supports? There is potential in the hardware but the only developers that will tried to tap it are exclusive developers.

[QUOTE="thirstychainsaw"][QUOTE="alextheman123"]

Lemmings are indeed 'nature's retard'.

All this means is Sony is handing the production plant over so they don't have to spend the money on advances in cell's technology. By doing this, its one less thing Sony has to worry about. Sony now is just going to be buying their cell chips from Toshiba while they along with IBM takes on the responsibility of making them.

The PS3 has the Cell now and will have it for the rest of the console's life. Seriously lemmings need to take some economics courses and then they may finally realize that this will be saving Sony money in the long run.

King_of_Sorrow

So what you're saying is the Cell is indeed a flop? If it wasn't why would Sony give up manufacturing rights? I mean if the Cell didn't flop and it was going to make Sony millions, why would they back out of it?

production cost goes down for the PS3... How hard is that to understand? They're not "backing out".

Yes they are, they're no longer producing it or doing research for it. What exactly do you call that?

[QUOTE="Baurus_1"]

[QUOTE="iunderstand"]If Sony is giving up with the development of the cell, why should developers continue to pump money into R&D to improve the potential of the hardware? The developers working with the hardware are jumping through hoops to get their games to run on it and if there is going to be no longterm reward, what's the point?iunderstand

So does that mean graphics will no longer improve on PS3 games?

I never said that. I said why should developers continue to waste their time and money developing code for hardware that Sony no longer supports? There is potential in the hardware but the only developers that will tried to tap it are exclusive developers.

[QUOTE="iunderstand"][QUOTE="Baurus_1"]

[QUOTE="iunderstand"]If Sony is giving up with the development of the cell, why should developers continue to pump money into R&D to improve the potential of the hardware? The developers working with the hardware are jumping through hoops to get their games to run on it and if there is going to be no longterm reward, what's the point?Tnasty11

So does that mean graphics will no longer improve on PS3 games?

I never said that. I said why should developers continue to waste their time and money developing code for hardware that Sony no longer supports? There is potential in the hardware but the only developers that will tried to tap it are exclusive developers.

You aren't listening. If the cell begins and ends with the PS3, why should developers waste time and money to develop code solely for the cell?

[QUOTE="Tnasty11"][QUOTE="iunderstand"][QUOTE="Baurus_1"]

[QUOTE="iunderstand"]If Sony is giving up with the development of the cell, why should developers continue to pump money into R&D to improve the potential of the hardware? The developers working with the hardware are jumping through hoops to get their games to run on it and if there is going to be no longterm reward, what's the point?iunderstand

So does that mean graphics will no longer improve on PS3 games?

I never said that. I said why should developers continue to waste their time and money developing code for hardware that Sony no longer supports? There is potential in the hardware but the only developers that will tried to tap it are exclusive developers.

You aren't listening. If the cell begins and ends with the PS3, why should developers waste time and money to develop code solely for the cell?

[QUOTE="iunderstand"][QUOTE="Tnasty11"]

sony still supports the ps3 and the PS3 is the hardwareTnasty11

You aren't listening. If the cell begins and ends with the PS3, why should developers waste time and money to develop code solely for the cell?

If they'd make more money and save more time not having to invest in developing on hardware that will have no longterm benefits, why should they? This is just bad news for future support for the console. There's no way around it.

I think the ownage lies in the fact that even Sony doesn't even have faith or the money to continue cell production or development..

Basically Sony can no longer afford to support the cell :lol:

the fate of the cell is basically up to Toshiba and IBM now.

[QUOTE="Tnasty11"][QUOTE="iunderstand"][QUOTE="Baurus_1"]

[QUOTE="iunderstand"]If Sony is giving up with the development of the cell, why should developers continue to pump money into R&D to improve the potential of the hardware? The developers working with the hardware are jumping through hoops to get their games to run on it and if there is going to be no longterm reward, what's the point?iunderstand

So does that mean graphics will no longer improve on PS3 games?

I never said that. I said why should developers continue to waste their time and money developing code for hardware that Sony no longer supports? There is potential in the hardware but the only developers that will tried to tap it are exclusive developers.

You aren't listening. If the cell begins and ends with the PS3, why should developers waste time and money to develop code solely for the cell?

The developers will decide to put in the time and money to develop for the cell depending on the PS3's userbase and not the future of the cell. Even if the cell is hard to code for and only dies with the PS3, if the PS3 gets a huge enough userbase they will develop for it. Programming is always changing, and the changes are more evident when going from one generation to another in consoles. Do you not think there was a learning curve when they went from PS1 to PS2, or XBox to 360? While the curve is much steeper for the PS3 if it ends up with a big enough userbase, developers will invest their time and money even if the Cell dies with the PS3.

As a side note why do people say that the production cost of the PS3 will go down now that they have sold their stakes in the Cell? I would have thought that the price would go up since they are now buying the chip which would end up costing more than the cost of producing them.

I think the ownage lies in the fact that even Sony doesn't even have faith or the money to continue cell production or development..

Basically Sony can no longer afford to support the cell :lol:

the fate of the cell is basically up to Toshiba and IBM now.

Zero-G_basic

Sony still supports the Cell in the PS3, but not future developments.

[QUOTE="iunderstand"][QUOTE="Tnasty11"]

sony still supports the ps3 and the PS3 is the hardwarePhilmon

You aren't listening. If the cell begins and ends with the PS3, why should developers waste time and money to develop code solely for the cell?

The developers will decide to put in the time and money to develop for the cell depending on the PS3's userbase and not the future of the cell. Even if the cell is hard to code for and only dies with the PS3, if the PS3 gets a huge enough userbase they will develop for it. Programming is always changing, and the changes are more evident when going from one generation to another in consoles. Do you not think there was a learning curve when they went from PS1 to PS2, or XBox to 360? While the curve is much steeper for the PS3 if it ends up with a big enough userbase, developers will invest their time and money even if the Cell dies with the PS3.

As a side note why do people say that the production cost of the PS3 will go down now that they have sold their stakes in the Cell? I would have thought that the price would go up since they are now buying the chip which would end up costing more than the cost of producing them.

This generation isn't the same as the previous generations, you can't draw parallels. The PS3 has very tough competition with the 360 which has a greater userbase, better software sales and easier development. Sony can't afford to chase any more developers away by simply showing them that all the extra work they are putting into their titles is going to waste.

[QUOTE="Mad_Rhetoric"]

wow, this has to be the dumbest thread of the week

:lol:

Gun_Haze

Or that would be the dumbest post of the week :lol:

Agree... on the second answer.

P.s Gun_Haze is the dumbest fanboy of the week... :lol: LMAO!!!

What's the big deal about Sony abandoning Cell?Gun_Haze

It makes plastic babies cry. It's that powerful.

-Gasp- Im so late...when was this? -Goes to google.-

[QUOTE="exiledsnake"]

[QUOTE="iunderstand"]If Sony is giving up with the development of the cell, why should developers continue to pump money into R&D to improve the potential of the hardware? The developers working with the hardware are jumping through hoops to get their games to run on it and if there is going to be no longterm reward, what's the point?iunderstand

clearly, iunderstand doesnt understand.

sony can still use the cell for ps4. its just that they won't be doing the R&D anymore.

And if Sony isn't funding the research to advance the potential of the hardware it will have a short life. Why should developers waste resources on a technology that is losing support?

I bet you didn't read the part where toshiba and ibm would be doing the R&D from now on. So it still has a long life ahead of it.

[QUOTE="iunderstand"][QUOTE="exiledsnake"]

[QUOTE="iunderstand"]If Sony is giving up with the development of the cell, why should developers continue to pump money into R&D to improve the potential of the hardware? The developers working with the hardware are jumping through hoops to get their games to run on it and if there is going to be no longterm reward, what's the point?exiledsnake

clearly, iunderstand doesnt understand.

sony can still use the cell for ps4. its just that they won't be doing the R&D anymore.

And if Sony isn't funding the research to advance the potential of the hardware it will have a short life. Why should developers waste resources on a technology that is losing support?

I bet you didn't read the part where toshiba and ibm would be doing the R&D from now on. So it still has a long life ahead of it.

With video games?

[QUOTE="Philmon"][QUOTE="iunderstand"][QUOTE="Tnasty11"]

sony still supports the ps3 and the PS3 is the hardwareiunderstand

You aren't listening. If the cell begins and ends with the PS3, why should developers waste time and money to develop code solely for the cell?

The developers will decide to put in the time and money to develop for the cell depending on the PS3's userbase and not the future of the cell. Even if the cell is hard to code for and only dies with the PS3, if the PS3 gets a huge enough userbase they will develop for it. Programming is always changing, and the changes are more evident when going from one generation to another in consoles. Do you not think there was a learning curve when they went from PS1 to PS2, or XBox to 360? While the curve is much steeper for the PS3 if it ends up with a big enough userbase, developers will invest their time and money even if the Cell dies with the PS3.

As a side note why do people say that the production cost of the PS3 will go down now that they have sold their stakes in the Cell? I would have thought that the price would go up since they are now buying the chip which would end up costing more than the cost of producing them.

This generation isn't the same as the previous generations, you can't draw parallels. The PS3 has very tough competition with the 360 which has a greater userbase, better software sales and easier development. Sony can't afford to chase any more developers away by simply showing them that all the extra work they are putting into their titles is going to waste.

What I am saying is that with every new generation of consoles there are always new things to learn. While the learning curve for the PS3 is steep, it does not mean that there was no learning curve for the 360. Do you think that the next Xbox is going to be the same to code for as the 360? So how is that different than the next PS4 being different to code for than PS3. As I said if the PS3 manages to get a big enough userbase then they will learn to code for it. Also just look at how all the multiplat games coming out. Even with the slow and dissapointing sales of the PS3 we are still seeing a lot of high profile multiplat games coming to the PS3.

While the 360 does have a lead on the PS3 in terms of userbase there are still a lot of people that are undecided, and ultimately they will be the deciding factor on if delelopers will continue to develop games for the PS3 and not the fact that Sony has sold its interests in the Cell processor.