What's the haters excuse now?

[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"][QUOTE="Zoso-8"] What can it do that no console can emulate? The PS3 does 3D.Cherokee_Jack

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]I'm talking about the library as a whole, not the ports. The topic seemed to say that people who complained about the nature of the PSP's library have to say the same thing about the 3DS when it's not even out yet, simply because a few remakes and ports were announced among the original games.Slashkice

It's not simply what's announced, but what's hyped. How many people were running around hyping something like Steel Diver? Not very many compared to Metal Gear Solid 3DS, Ocarina of Time, Starfox, Dead or Alive, Super Street Fighter IV, Kingdom Hearts, and Resident Evil - all established IPs known for their console counterparts. Even Kid Icarus didn't get people as excited as some of these games. Only Kingdom Hearts and Resident Evil could really be developed from the ground-up for the capabilities of the 3DS, and even then it'll still be similar to a console experience unless they decide to change genres.

I think having a console experience in the palm of your hands is a good thing, but it's silly that people who were so down on the PSP for that fact are so lovey-dovey with the 3DS given what we have so far.

Fair enough. However, being down on the PSP doesn't necessarily imply being down on console experiences in general.

Also keep in mind that the 3DS has just been revealed and people are still super hyped about the system and everything about it. This combined with people's love for OoT, Snake Eater, and Star Fox 64, and their relative lack of knowledge about how Kid Icarus and Steel Diver play, makes these games the attention getters for now.

I'd like to point out that the DS felt like a console on the go as well. I mostly played RPGs that were port/remakes that hardly used the touch screen at all. Felt like I was playing the SNES on the go. Didn't bother me though so that excuse against the PSP really didn't make me hate it either. I enjoy both of them.

Ragnarok1051

I'd like to point out that the DS felt like a console on the go as well. I mostly played RPGs that were port/remakes that hardly used the touch screen at all. Felt like I was playing the SNES on the go. Didn't bother me though so that excuse against the PSP really didn't make me hate it either. I enjoy both of them.

Ragnarok1051

I thought people were hating on the PSP because of long loading times, funky nub, and inferior game lineup.

The fact that PSP was like a portable PS2 was it's appeal, wasn't it?

I'd like to point out that the DS felt like a console on the go as well. I mostly played RPGs that were port/remakes that hardly used the touch screen at all. Felt like I was playing the SNES on the go. Didn't bother me though so that excuse against the PSP really didn't make me hate it either. I enjoy both of them.

I thought people were hating on the PSP because of long loading times, funky nub, and inferior game lineup.

The fact that PSP was like a portable PS2 was it's appeal, wasn't it?

I'd like to point out that the DS felt like a console on the go as well. I mostly played RPGs that were port/remakes that hardly used the touch screen at all. Felt like I was playing the SNES on the go. Didn't bother me though so that excuse against the PSP really didn't make me hate it either. I enjoy both of them.

I thought people were hating on the PSP because of long loading times, funky nub, and inferior game lineup.

The fact that PSP was like a portable PS2 was it's appeal, wasn't it?

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"] So you can't play a normal game that doesn't offer something like motion controls or 3d? Are you just bored of gamming then? psp does offer ps2 like experiences and 3ds will offer wii/gamecube experiences with a twist so people like you use it as damage control. Oh, and 3ds also has ps2 ports.WhenCicadasCry

[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"][QUOTE="edo-tensei"] So you can't play a normal game that doesn't offer something like motion controls or 3d? Are you just bored of gamming then? psp does offer ps2 like experiences and 3ds will offer wii/gamecube experiences with a twist so people like you use it as damage control. Oh, and 3ds also has ps2 ports.edo-tensei

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"] *Facepalms* You're doing it wrong. The DS has some really awesome and unique experiences. WhenCicadasCry

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"] *Facepalms* You're doing it wrong. The DS has some really awesome and unique experiences. WhenCicadasCry

Well the 3ds will most likely have games as good looking as the psp games. Now my question is: why aren't people dissing this handheldfor having console type games like they did for the psp? I'm sure I'll love the damage control here, or sw can admit they have given the psp unnecesary hate.

edo-tensei

[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"][QUOTE="edo-tensei"] Same can be said for the psp core console experiences, right?edo-tensei

[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"][QUOTE="edo-tensei"] Same can be said for the psp core console experiences, right?Ragnarok1051

No dont you understand it has to play special or els its not worth mentioning:roll:.

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"]

Well the 3ds will most likely have games as good looking as the psp games. Now my question is: why aren't people dissing this handheldfor having console type games like they did for the psp? I'm sure I'll love the damage control here, or sw can admit they have given the psp unnecesary hate.

SaltyMeatballs

I can, but if I wanted PS2 experiences, I'd play my PS2. The DS offered me really charming and unique experiences which I'd never experienced before. That being the keyword. The PSP offered NOTHING that had not been available on the PS2. Is this so hard to understand? :?WhenCicadasCry

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"]

Well the 3ds will most likely have games as good looking as the psp games. Now my question is: why aren't people dissing this handheldfor having console type games like they did for the psp? I'm sure I'll love the damage control here, or sw can admit they have given the psp unnecesary hate.

SaltyMeatballs

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"] I'm talking about the library as a whole, not the ports. The topic seemed to say that people who complained about the nature of the PSP's library have to say the same thing about the 3DS when it's not even out yet, simply because a few remakes and ports were announced among the original games.Cherokee_Jack

No the problem is that some people are now ok with the console experiance on the go since nintendo is doing it,but when sony did it it was just wrong and was made by the devil and other overexadruations. I know there will be those special games that will make the 3ds stand out,but then there will be the others like I said something like mgs3ds that just adds 3d and touch stuff,but still will console games on the go. How people will be fine with that,but yet hate psp for it. It just hurts my brain.

Like I said, the problem people had was that the console experience seemed to dominate the PSP - it had few unique games to make its library stand out. (I can't say for sure because I don't own a PSP, but this is generally what the argument is and seems to be the case.)

If the 3DS ends up being a dumping ground for ports and remakes and downgraded console games, then it would be proper to lay the same criticisms on it, But we have yet to see this happen.

The thing is why does it have to be played in a special way like touch or tilt in order for it to be a good game or stand out.

And the gba was a nerfed snes, I just love using your logic. edo-tensei

I thought people were hating on the PSP because of long loading times, funky nub, and inferior game lineup.

The fact that PSP was like a portable PS2 was it's appeal, wasn't it?

gamecubepad

No its a negative since if it aint touch or played in some special way it seems to be crap around here. Also hey 3ds now has a nub.

Well the 3ds will most likely have games as good looking as the psp games. Now my question is: why aren't people dissing this handheldfor having console type games like they did for the psp? I'm sure I'll love the damage control here, or sw can admit they have given the psp unnecesary hate.

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"][QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"] Touchscreen gameplay. :Pedo-tensei

[QUOTE="gamecubepad"]

I thought people were hating on the PSP because of long loading times, funky nub, and inferior game lineup.

The fact that PSP was like a portable PS2 was it's appeal, wasn't it?

edo-tensei

Wait, which line are we talking about?:P

I think it's a good thing for PSP to be a portable ps2. That's what made the PSP the success it is today. The 1st line in my original post is what made it inferior to the DS.

Most people loved the DS because it was a mecca for 2D gaming. PSP was more oriented towards being a PS2 with 3D games like GoW and MLB The Show. One can only assume that people prefer colorful 2D games for portable gaming.

No its a negative since if it aint touch or played in some special way it seems to be crap around here. Also hey 3ds now has a nub.

finalfantasy94

See above concerning 2D vs 3D, throw in Ninty exclusives for good measure.

Anyway. Can't wait to give that nub a flick. "I'm gonna getchya little nubby wubby!" *rubs nub*:D

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

No the problem is that some people are now ok with the console experiance on the go since nintendo is doing it,but when sony did it it was just wrong and was made by the devil and other overexadruations. I know there will be those special games that will make the 3ds stand out,but then there will be the others like I said something like mgs3ds that just adds 3d and touch stuff,but still will console games on the go. How people will be fine with that,but yet hate psp for it. It just hurts my brain.

finalfantasy94

Like I said, the problem people had was that the console experience seemed to dominate the PSP - it had few unique games to make its library stand out. (I can't say for sure because I don't own a PSP, but this is generally what the argument is and seems to be the case.)

If the 3DS ends up being a dumping ground for ports and remakes and downgraded console games, then it would be proper to lay the same criticisms on it, But we have yet to see this happen.

The thing is why does it have to be played in a special way like touch or tilt in order for it to be a good game or stand out.

That's not what I'm saying at all.

It can be a good game without that, no question, but it can't stand out as a handheld experience because the same thing can be done better on a console.

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"] And before anyone says something, touchscreen controls are not the same as motion controls or even mouse controls.Cherokee_Jack

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

Like I said, the problem people had was that the console experience seemed to dominate the PSP - it had few unique games to make its library stand out. (I can't say for sure because I don't own a PSP, but this is generally what the argument is and seems to be the case.)

If the 3DS ends up being a dumping ground for ports and remakes and downgraded console games, then it would be proper to lay the same criticisms on it, But we have yet to see this happen.

Cherokee_Jack

The thing is why does it have to be played in a special way like touch or tilt in order for it to be a good game or stand out.

That's not what I'm saying at all.

It can be a good game without that, no question, but it can't stand out as a handheld experience because the same thing can be done better on a console.

The GBA is regarded by many to be the best handheld but according to this logic it doesn't stand out at all because it was all possible on a console.

[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"][QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"] Maybe people still expect more unique experiences on the 3DS. Which was the problem with PSP. Seems like you're the one damage controlling the epicness of the 3DS. It's understandable, PSP couldn't even better teh weak DS, how will it cope with 3DS? Lmao.edo-tensei

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"]And the gba was a nerfed snes, I just love using your logic. WhenCicadasCry

Also hey 3ds now has a nub.

finalfantasy94

The problem with the PSP's nub isn't with the concept, but the implementation. It feels stiff and doesn't give you a lot of "track". All the E3 reports I've read say that Nintendo's analog slider is a massive improvement.

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"] /thread. :lol:WhenCicadasCry

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

The thing is why does it have to be played in a special way like touch or tilt in order for it to be a good game or stand out.

Ragnarok1051

That's not what I'm saying at all.

It can be a good game without that, no question, but it can't stand out as a handheld experience because the same thing can be done better on a console.

The GBA is regarded by many to be the best handheld but according to this logic it doesn't stand out at all because it was all possible on a console.

The GBA stood out because it had an enormous lineup of quality 2D games that weren't represented in the same way on the Gamecube/PS2/Xbox, which were dominated by polygonal games. Like I said, this principle also applies to Castlevania and Phoenix Wright on DS - they could feasibly have been made on consoles, but the environment wasn't right (they came to consoles later because of their portable success, of course)

Obviously this applies to some PSP games as well, but the PSP still didn't have something that the consoles didn't, like touch input.

[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"][QUOTE="edo-tensei"]And the gba was a nerfed snes, I just love using your logic. edo-tensei

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"] /thread. :lol:WhenCicadasCry

[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"][QUOTE="edo-tensei"] First of all, the psp and the ds are not in dirrect competition other than they being both handlhelds. Not only do they catter to different audiences but they have different tech. Sw just loves to compare something. I also don't think I''ve mentioned in this threat that I'm against the 3ds (like you seem to be agasist the psp), in fact I'm very excited for it. And maybe you don't really need new experiences to have new great games that use excisting gameplay options, but I think that's too much logical for you young mind. I think you just helped my point^edo-tensei

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"] Then Nintendo stepped up their game. No ones mentioning the GBA. This is about the 3DS / DS and the PSP. If anything, it makes the PSP look even more outdated due to following the old formula of offering something un-innovative. ;)WhenCicadasCry

The reason nobody cares is because the DS is actually a good handheld gaming device unlike the PSP

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"]

[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"] Lets just wait until next year and see what the 3DS has as it's game library, compared to the PSP. :roll:WhenCicadasCry

[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"][QUOTE="edo-tensei"] First of all, the psp and the ds are not in dirrect competition other than they being both handlhelds. Not only do they catter to different audiences but they have different tech. Sw just loves to compare something. I also don't think I''ve mentioned in this threat that I'm against the 3ds (like you seem to be agasist the psp), in fact I'm very excited for it. And maybe you don't really need new experiences to have new great games that use excisting gameplay options, but I think that's too much logical for you young mind. I think you just helped my point^edo-tensei

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"] Then Nintendo stepped up their game. No ones mentioning the GBA. This is about the 3DS / DS and the PSP. If anything, it makes the PSP look even more outdated due to following the old formula of offering something un-innovative. ;)WhenCicadasCry

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"][QUOTE="edo-tensei"]

Well the 3ds will most likely have games as good looking as the psp games. Now my question is: why aren't people dissing this handheldfor having console type games like they did for the psp? I'm sure I'll love the damage control here, or sw can admit they have given the psp unnecesary hate.

Ragnarok1051

[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"][QUOTE="edo-tensei"] Innovation? How does a game like phantom hourglass with the motion controls take away from a game like a link to the past? You're just too caught up in these companies PR that it blinds you from reality. Innovation is good, but what we have in proven mechanics is also good. I fail to see why you can't accept that? Or again are you bored with gamming? Because innovation is something we see rarely. edo-tensei

The reason nobody cares is because the DS is actually a good handheld gaming device unlike the PSP

RyanShazam