What's the point in buying a xbox 360 when $350 can buy a much better PC??

[QUOTE="Pinkyimp"]anyone who thinks that pc can run crysis is clearly a moron..its good for the price but not THAT goodOverclockd

The 8800gs with that processor overclocked would run crysis on medium easily.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]Wow, that PSU absolutely TANKS. :lol:Spybot_9

Too bad your screwed when your PSU blows, at least you'll get a new 360 for free.

[QUOTE="Spybot_9"]

[QUOTE="Fignewton50"]Because that $350 doesn't let you play the 360's exclusive games, and won't let you play the PC's exclusive games very well. So why buy it?Fignewton50

And 8800GS can play crysis in high in 720p.

It's going to max all games at 720p? No way

And maybe it could display Crysis on high, but it's going to be such a slideshow it won't be worth your time.

'Come on man, you know computers. Telling people the 8800GS is going to run Crysis on high is a strech, you've got to admit that.

[QUOTE="ThePlothole"]

Your comparing the 360's 3.2Ghz triple core processor to a 2GHz Dual core processor? Oi vey.

Something you need to understand is that unlike PCs, consoles don't need middleware (eg DirectX; OpenGL) between game and hardware. This means that even with identical specifications, a console would still have an edge.

Spybot_9

LOL you dont compare CPU's or anything like that.

I expect we'll see alot more Spybot_9 threads since your Painballz account got canned, right?Verge_6

I might use those, I have been looking to bulid a new PC...

[QUOTE="Spybot_9"][QUOTE="Pinkyimp"]anyone who thinks that pc can run crysis is clearly a moron..its good for the price but not THAT goodFignewton50

[QUOTE="mgools"]I bought a $350 PC about 7 months ago, and although I like it it doesn't hardly play games. For $350 you will usually get a dual core proc. 1GB of ram and integrated graphics (GeForce 6150 or Intel 3100). Neither of those cards can kick out the graphics needed for todays PC games. I think for $350 I would look at the 3 consoles, but if you are looking at $800-1000 then a PC might be the way to go for many gamers. Spybot_9

Ahhh Yes, and you are a brave brave man to put a $20 PSU into your new pc.

[QUOTE="ThePlothole"]

I cannot be serious about what?

Pinkyimp

ok first of all. the 360 is NOT Tri core..and that 2GHZ Duel core beats the 360 cpu. i remember reading an artical about how the 360 CPU dosent even rivel the AMD 2800 Processor from AMD

not only that but PS3 does use Open GL 1.0 , and 360 does use Direct X9 but an advanced version of it

It is a triple core dude. And unless you can provide a reputable source comparing it to th AMD, I'm calling BS.

I didn't say these consoles couldn't use middle ware. However because it's a fixed configuration, developers can forgo that and write for the hardware directly (just as they always have been able to do with consoles).

How does that 8800GS match up with the (im reading this from the tab on the box) NVIDIA GeForcce 8800M GTS

Because my laptop runs anything on high

But Crysis on Medium, i just don't know the resolutions because it doess the

1000x 100 garbage which I don't ever understand. jg4xchamp

[QUOTE="Spybot_9"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]I can't play Halo 3 on PC or Forza 2

or Lost Odyssey or Eternal Sonota

or Dead Rising

or PGR 3 and PGR 4

or Dead Or Alive 4

And while where at it

GTA 4 isn't on the PC

Burnout Paradise isn't on the PC

Future titles like Banjo 3, Fable 2, Gears of War 2, Viva Pinata 2, Tales of Vesperiea, etc are not on PC.

The 360 still offers PC gamers more exclusives than the PS3 thats for sure.

14-5 is the difference

4 AAAE versus 1 AAAAE

10AAE versus 4 AAE

But those are just facts right there.

also will that GPU and CPU put out the same graphics quality of the 360 and PS3. I mean 350 dollars seems a bit to little to run a Witcher or Sins of a Solar.

Also I highly doubt that thing could run Crysis. I have an 8800 in my laptop and it still runs Crysis on Medium. jg4xchamp

And yes that CPU and GPU provide better quality graphics than 360 let alone the same quality.Dont be fooled by the price.

Dead or alive was officially announced.

[QUOTE="Spybot_9"]

LOL burnout paradise is coming to PC.A dead or alive game is also coming.GTA4,gears 2,fable 2,viva pinata 2,halo 3 and dead rising 2 all will come to PC.

And yes that CPU and GPU provide better quality graphics than 360 let alone the same quality.Dont be fooled by the price.

bulletsword

so, uh... people are going to want the PC versions for some better graphics? let alone the fact that most of them aren't even announced for the PC or even have a solid release date for the 360 release? even if they are, who's going to wait? 360: same price as your PC setup, but you get the games faster and some actually have a release date or otherwise actually announced. Deal or no deal?

I mean just pathetic....

[QUOTE="Spybot_9"][QUOTE="Verge_6"]Wow, that PSU absolutely TANKS. :lol:Mythbuster4ever

Too bad your screwed when your PSU blows, at least you'll get a new 360 for free.

[QUOTE="bulletsword"][QUOTE="Spybot_9"]

LOL burnout paradise is coming to PC.A dead or alive game is also coming.GTA4,gears 2,fable 2,viva pinata 2,halo 3 and dead rising 2 all will come to PC.

And yes that CPU and GPU provide better quality graphics than 360 let alone the same quality.Dont be fooled by the price.

Spybot_9

so, uh... people are going to want the PC versions for some better graphics? let alone the fact that most of them aren't even announced for the PC or even have a solid release date for the 360 release? even if they are, who's going to wait? 360: same price as your PC setup, but you get the games faster and some actually have a release date or otherwise actually announced. Deal or no deal?

I mean just pathetic....

Like your initial post...and the rest of them.

[QUOTE="Fignewton50"][QUOTE="Spybot_9"][QUOTE="Pinkyimp"]anyone who thinks that pc can run crysis is clearly a moron..its good for the price but not THAT goodSpybot_9

ok so that card, with that cpu, with that mobo, and PSU, will be able to run crysis at 12x10 on very high.. get real, the gpu is good but everything is garbage, the mobo can barely hold a candle to mATX motherboards what makes you think it will be able to run crysis at even if you go lower in the Res your still killing alot of the enjoyment of the game..

the point is being able to play the game..not just make it run, even during the heavy intence parts this system will still lag

Yes burnout has a date.

Dead or alive was officially announced.

Spybot_9

I would take a different PS..

Anywho I would say...buy both,

[QUOTE="bulletsword"][QUOTE="Spybot_9"]

LOL burnout paradise is coming to PC.A dead or alive game is also coming.GTA4,gears 2,fable 2,viva pinata 2,halo 3 and dead rising 2 all will come to PC.

And yes that CPU and GPU provide better quality graphics than 360 let alone the same quality.Dont be fooled by the price.

Spybot_9

so, uh... people are going to want the PC versions for some better graphics? let alone the fact that most of them aren't even announced for the PC or even have a solid release date for the 360 release? even if they are, who's going to wait? 360: same price as your PC setup, but you get the games faster and some actually have a release date or otherwise actually announced. Deal or no deal?

I mean just pathetic....

yeeeaaah.... the 360 doesn't have any games that the PC doesn't get, too.

SCIV and LO say anything to you? RE5? Forza? Tales of Vesperia? Ninja Gaiden 2? GTAIV? Rock Band? Fable 2? hmmm...

[QUOTE="Pinkyimp"][QUOTE="ThePlothole"]

I cannot be serious about what?

ThePlothole

ok first of all. the 360 is NOT Tri core..and that 2GHZ Duel core beats the 360 cpu. i remember reading an artical about how the 360 CPU dosent even rivel the AMD 2800 Processor from AMD

not only that but PS3 does use Open GL 1.0 , and 360 does use Direct X9 but an advanced version of it

It is a triple core dude. And unless you can provide a reputable source comparing it to th AMD, I'm calling BS.

I didn't say these consoles couldn't use middle ware. However because it's a fixed configuration, developers can forgo that and write for the hardware directly (just as they always have been able to do with consoles).

The 360 uses "dumb" cpu's that are cheaper to produce than "intelligent" cpu's like Athlons or Pentiums. Athlons and Pentiums execute instructions out of order, and they use prediction algorithms and logic to speed things up. The 360's cpus execute instructions as they come which slows things down because the cpu has to execute an arbitary # of instructions before it gets to the instruction that is really important.

John Carmack (smarty programmer behind id software) said the 360's cpu's do half as much work per cycle as modern cpu's like the pentium 4 or athlon64's. Remember that megahertz are just how many cycles the cpu can go through in a second. How the cpu handles data in 1 cycle contributes a lot to how "fast" it performs. So you could think of it in the way that the 360's 3.2ghz cpus would perform like 1.6ghz cpus.

It also doesn't have as much ram as you think it does. If you somehow put some hog of an OS like WinXP or MacOSX on it, you'll have wasted 100+ MB of ram. The 360 wasn't designed to have a lot of overhead for things like a heavy operating system. It's super fast ram is going to be used to stream textures and other data off of the slow harddrive/dvd as you play games. The 10MB vram is just the render buffer. The graphics card will use the system ram for texture memory, so it doesn't need a lot of "on board" memory - just enough for a high definition picture. If you were to install Linux or something and try to play a game, you'd get a huge slowdown because PC games aren't optimized to stream data from the harddrive/optical drive constantly. In fact, PC games are designed to make as few disk hits as possible - when you load a level, the important stuff is shoved into the system and video ram.

And I haven't heard of anybody or company that makes custom motherboards, you'll have to make due with what Microsoft gives you.

taken from another thread but that sums up how the proc works in the 360

How much does it cost to hire the nerd to put those components together, to make this rig?

My motherboard only has a AGP video card slot, and everything last i checked is PCI express, I guess I'm fooked. I've changed video cards, added Ram, etc... but I'm not saavy enough to put an entire PC together, I'll leave that to the fine people at Alienware, and it'll cost me alot more then $350.

How much does it cost to hire the nerd to put those components together, to make this rig?

My motherboard only has a AGP video card slot, and everything last i checked is PCI express, I guess I'm fooked. I've changed video cards, added Ram, etc... but I'm not saavy enough to put an entire PC together, I'll leave that to the fine people at Alienware, and it'll cost me alot more then $350.

dru26

It's your own fault if you don't take the couple hours required to learn how to assemble a computer. Especially if you're other option is Alienware! It's really no harder than plugging everything in.

That pc isn't really better than the 360. Id be surpsied if you could run crysis on medium with that. My computer is alot better than that, yet it is definately not close to being better than a 360.diped

Yes it is much better. And as much as I don't like the way Spybot brings up these topics, he's right. That 8800 GS can run Crysis on high above 30 fps.

Here's a link I found showing it at 1280x1024:

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5354&Itemid=1&limit=1&limitstart=1

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]Wow, that PSU absolutely TANKS. :lol:Spybot_9

You seem to be having much difficulty making rebuttals that are actually relevant to threads.

That PC is already beginning to be out of date if not already. Try spending at least another $50 on your GPU and upgrade some of your components especially your PSU add in KB/M and OS and then we'll talk.Hoobinator

This PC will always be ahead of the 360.

[QUOTE="Spybot_9"][QUOTE="Verge_6"]Wow, that PSU absolutely TANKS. :lol:Verge_6

You seem to be having much difficulty making rebuttals that are actually relevant to threads.

[QUOTE="Spybot_9"][QUOTE="Verge_6"]Wow, that PSU absolutely TANKS. :lol:Verge_6

You seem to be having much difficulty making rebuttals that are actually relevant to threads.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

[QUOTE="Spybot_9"][QUOTE="Verge_6"]Wow, that PSU absolutely TANKS. :lol:Spybot_9

You seem to be having much difficulty making rebuttals that are actually relevant to threads.

...Are you serious? You are trying to show that a $350 PC with totally unrelaible parts that probably have a 40%-60% of failing is better to the 360? This is supposedly an 'unreliable' penis-waving contest? Good lord, what has this board come to...

Because that $350 doesn't let you play the 360's exclusive games, and won't let you play the PC's exclusive games very well. So why buy it?Fignewton50

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"]That PC is already beginning to be out of date if not already. Try spending at least another $50 on your GPU and upgrade some of your components especially your PSU add in KB/M and OS and then we'll talk.Spybot_9

This PC will always be ahead of the 360.

The 360 was never "in date" to be "out of date" to begin with. All games that come out for the 360 are designed for the 360 in mind, so it'll be running games made for it come 3 years from now. The same can't be said for your open platform PC.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]I can't play Halo 3 on PC or Forza 2

or Lost Odyssey or Eternal Sonota

or Dead Rising

or PGR 3 and PGR 4

or Dead Or Alive 4

And while where at it

GTA 4 isn't on the PC

Burnout Paradise isn't on the PC

Future titles like Banjo 3, Fable 2, Gears of War 2, Viva Pinata 2, Tales of Vesperiea, etc are not on PC.

The 360 still offers PC gamers more exclusives than the PS3 thats for sure.

14-5 is the difference

4 AAAE versus 1 AAAAE

10AAE versus 4 AAE

But those are just facts right there.

also will that GPU and CPU put out the same graphics quality of the 360 and PS3. I mean 350 dollars seems a bit to little to run a Witcher or Sins of a Solar.

Also I highly doubt that thing could run Crysis. I have an 8800 in my laptop and it still runs Crysis on Medium. Spybot_9

And yes that CPU and GPU provide better quality graphics than 360 let alone the same quality.Dont be fooled by the price.

can a PC play jrpgs?

owned.

Plus I am a social person. That rules out PC.

The 360 is basically a watered down PC but fails hard at that.Whatever the 360 can do the PC can do better except a very few games.Most of it's AAA's are on the PC in much better form.Most PC games have support for the 360 gamepad.Besides you pay to play online on the 360 LMAO!

People say the 360 is a watered down PC for those who cant afford a gaming PC but who are you kidding??

Here's a PC for $350.

DVD burner

Case

HDD

GPU

PSU

RAM

Mobo

CPU

Before somebody says that those are cheap parts,what is the 360 made off?I am sure this PC will be more reliable than the 360 LOL.

So really what's the point in buying a 360 at this point in time???

Spybot_9

Dude seriously, I'm 60% cow and 40%hermit, but this is really stupid. That computer will suck for gaming. I know you think building a PC is all about gathering parts and putting them together but you don't know half of it. First of allyou just destroyed all those parts with that PSU. LOL. Second of all that MOBO's gotta go. The GPU looks ok. But even I see where you're going but this is sinking too low. I layed out a pc on newegg three times as powerful as that for only 585 including shipping. I have a $3,000 pc layed out on newegg currently. I plan on buying it when I get a job. That PC is a beast! It will crush Crysis and embarrass World In conflict.

Oh it's Spybot. *leaves thread*

a $350 pc will run solitaire pretty good.. i'd like to see it run crysis, or even a 360-to-pc port like mass effect. Nowadays, a good video card is half the price of $350 and you'll be hugging the baseline if the card is in the geforce 6 series but it'll still run. your proc is probably some AMD leftovers of when the x2 was running games. Better yet, get your specs and post them up on here. what you can do in the mean time is get your hands on a 360 port, install it on the PC and see how it runs.. bulletwitch1

Dear God most people are being fooled by the price.Face it,this PC is much better at playing anything than 360,it has free online thus PC gaming is offcially cheaper than console gaming.

[QUOTE="GUNpoint_"]nice. expect some damage control from lemmings.Overclockd

Expect PC fanboys to blatantly ignore the 360's significant advantages over the PC.

And those advantages are?

RROD?