What's this?...Even more info on ME3...

[QUOTE="dreman999"]

[QUOTE="icyseanfitz"]

"a good entry point for new players" wtf kind of gamer would be starting a trilogy of story driven games on the third one? stop focusing on getting a new fanbase and stick with the one ye have ffs

icyseanfitz

what kind of comparison is that? in order to understand the third ME you have to play 1 and 2, i dont get how they think people who dont own 1 or 2 will suddenly buy the third, it doesnt make any sense, anyone who has an interest in the series has already checked out the first two, it would be like going to watch the godfather 3 without watching the first two

[QUOTE="sts106mat"][QUOTE="icyseanfitz"]

i think bioware are really beginning to lose it tbh (and ive loved them up until now), instead of focusing on keeping their fans happy and doing what they are good at (slightly hardcore rpg's with good stories) they are alienating them for a "broader" (casuals which we all know are very unpredictable in what they buy from year to year except cod) audience, i really hope i am completely wrong here but ive a feeling i am not, the merger with ea was the worst thing to happen to them

icyseanfitz

im pretty much the same tbh, its just the last couple of games they've made havnt really had a decent narrative, Dao was pitiful to me (join grey wardens and kill big dragon), DA2...im not even going there, Me2 (collect squad do squad missions and kill giant baby robot), i liked Me1 it had a much better story and everything before that was golden, if bioware could just tap into their kotor level of quality for me3 i would be happy

1.Mass Effect was about getting ready for a suicide mission.....If your expecting a super complex plot from that then you need to understand that not all the best storys are complex. Not even ME1 story was complex.

2.The characters in ME2 are way deeper than the ones in ME1. They are far more complex.

3.In stories, it's the characters thatdrive the story while the narrative simply react to them. For example,anyone can tell that FF12 story was well thoughtout but everyone(most people)Hated it because no one cared for the characters.....

A story doesn't need to be super complex tobe goodand can be character driven andstill be fantasic. If you want example of why that is so....look up Ender's Game, it's purely character driven.

[QUOTE="icyseanfitz"]

[QUOTE="sts106mat"] cant really argue with that if your a gamer. i said the other day though, bioware are about story and characters, the gameplay is always second fiddle IMO. they could make ME3 an FPS, i would still get it and play it, because i care more about finding out how the story ends and what happens to the characterd, than i do actually wanting to mess with loot and stats etc. ME2 wasn't as enjoyable as ME1 in most respects, but like i said its the story that matters to me with this franchise. with other games its always gameplay first, though not here IMO.dreman999

im pretty much the same tbh, its just the last couple of games they've made havnt really had a decent narrative, Dao was pitiful to me (join grey wardens and kill big dragon), DA2...im not even going there, Me2 (collect squad do squad missions and kill giant baby robot), i liked Me1 it had a much better story and everything before that was golden, if bioware could just tap into their kotor level of quality for me3 i would be happy

1.Mass Effect was about getting ready for a suicide mission.....If your expecting a super complex plot from that then you need to understand that not all the best storys are complex. Not even ME1 story was complex.

2.The characters in ME2 are way deeper than the ones in ME1. They are far more complex.

3.In stories, it's the characters thatdrive the story while the narrative simply react to them. For example,anyone can tell that FF12 story was well thoughtout but everyone(most people)Hated it because no one cared for the characters.....

A story doesn't need to be super complex tobe goodand can be character driven andstill be fantasic. If you want example of why that is so....look up Ender's Game, it's purely character driven.

I might've misunderstood something, but they said that RPG is about choices and exploration + learning your squadmates... It sounds as if they have another way of looking at RPG than most of us.. I'm just fearing that they might make the RPG that we want more simple and focus on the story aspect of RPG.. or Have I completely misunderstood? "more than anything, people want us to deepen the RPGaspect of the experience. Now, that isn't necessarily something traditional; about stats and loot; we see it as being more about exploration and making a good character-driven story with intelligent decision-making in how you progress." RP for me is just as must about character progression (leveling up and choosing various skills) as exploration..danish-death

[QUOTE="dreman999"]

[QUOTE="icyseanfitz"]

im pretty much the same tbh, its just the last couple of games they've made havnt really had a decent narrative, Dao was pitiful to me (join grey wardens and kill big dragon), DA2...im not even going there, Me2 (collect squad do squad missions and kill giant baby robot), i liked Me1 it had a much better story and everything before that was golden, if bioware could just tap into their kotor level of quality for me3 i would be happy

danish-death

1.Mass Effect was about getting ready for a suicide mission.....If your expecting a super complex plot from that then you need to understand that not all the best storys are complex. Not even ME1 story was complex.

2.The characters in ME2 are way deeper than the ones in ME1. They are far more complex.

3.In stories, it's the characters thatdrive the story while the narrative simply react to them. For example,anyone can tell that FF12 story was well thoughtout but everyone(most people)Hated it because no one cared for the characters.....

A story doesn't need to be super complex tobe goodand can be character driven andstill be fantasic. If you want example of why that is so....look up Ender's Game, it's purely character driven.

I would not say a filler, not at all. They still revealed stuff, brought in characters, progressed what each character was doing as well as shepard, and introduced us to cerberus. That said, I did not like the story quite as much as I did the firsts. The beginning hours of ME1 are awesome.

[QUOTE="dreman999"]

[QUOTE="icyseanfitz"]

im pretty much the same tbh, its just the last couple of games they've made havnt really had a decent narrative, Dao was pitiful to me (join grey wardens and kill big dragon), DA2...im not even going there, Me2 (collect squad do squad missions and kill giant baby robot), i liked Me1 it had a much better story and everything before that was golden, if bioware could just tap into their kotor level of quality for me3 i would be happy

danish-death

1.Mass Effect was about getting ready for a suicide mission.....If your expecting a super complex plot from that then you need to understand that not all the best storys are complex. Not even ME1 story was complex.

2.The characters in ME2 are way deeper than the ones in ME1. They are far more complex.

3.In stories, it's the characters thatdrive the story while the narrative simply react to them. For example,anyone can tell that FF12 story was well thoughtout but everyone(most people)Hated it because no one cared for the characters.....

A story doesn't need to be super complex tobe goodand can be character driven andstill be fantasic. If you want example of why that is so....look up Ender's Game, it's purely character driven.

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

[QUOTE="danish-death"] The story in ME2 was rather weak. It was nothing, but "gather your group and go to enemy base" - it was the EXACT same thing with DA:O - "gather your group and save the word". The story in ME2 could have been much better since it just comes off as a "filler" from ME1->ME3.sts106mat

I would not say a filler, not at all. They still revealed stuff, brought in characters, progressed what each character was doing as well as shepard, and introduced us to cerberus. That said, I did not like the story quite as much as I did the firsts. The beginning hours of ME1 are awesome.

The ending could have been a tid bit better IMO, but still awesome. The love ME1 and 2 and yet parts of them really lack, so I am very excited to see the improvements to combat and such in 3. The combat in 2 was weak, and some of the design decisions in 1 are very weak as well. Now the only thing left they need to tell me is that I won't be getting stuck on a person, table, computer, or other object. Oh and that the last mission in 3 wont have a glitchy "elevator" that doesnt come down so I cannot complete the mission without reloading my last save :P. Frikkin glitchy games lol.

PS - was it possibly to have a relationship with the psychologist? I tried to hit on her, but in the end I was just alone :( lol :P.

[QUOTE="danish-death"][QUOTE="dreman999"]

1.Mass Effect was about getting ready for a suicide mission.....If your expecting a super complex plot from that then you need to understand that not all the best storys are complex. Not even ME1 story was complex.

2.The characters in ME2 are way deeper than the ones in ME1. They are far more complex.

3.In stories, it's the characters thatdrive the story while the narrative simply react to them. For example,anyone can tell that FF12 story was well thoughtout but everyone(most people)Hated it because no one cared for the characters.....

A story doesn't need to be super complex tobe goodand can be character driven andstill be fantasic. If you want example of why that is so....look up Ender's Game, it's purely character driven.

NaveedLife

I would not say a filler, not at all. They still revealed stuff, brought in characters, progressed what each character was doing as well as shepard, and introduced us to cerberus. That said, I did not like the story quite as much as I did the firsts. The beginning hours of ME1 are awesome.

Sounds promising, but not holding my breath.

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

[QUOTE="danish-death"] The story in ME2 was rather weak. It was nothing, but "gather your group and go to enemy base" - it was the EXACT same thing with DA:O - "gather your group and save the word". The story in ME2 could have been much better since it just comes off as a "filler" from ME1->ME3.danish-death

I would not say a filler, not at all. They still revealed stuff, brought in characters, progressed what each character was doing as well as shepard, and introduced us to cerberus. That said, I did not like the story quite as much as I did the firsts. The beginning hours of ME1 are awesome.

1.In Mass Effct 1, you strictly stay with the human colonies and the citadeal. Every other world was ether a wasteland, a hideout, or the starting point of a human colony. ME2 brings you out of human olny space and add more places simular to the citadel, and tuchanka.

2.ME2 looks in to alien cultures more. While were introduce to aliens in ME1, we base their culter based on their actions. In ME2, their cutltures are explained moreand details not known before are revealed.

3.We find out what a reaper is made of.

4.The story is more "gather a group to stop a group". The collecters were only a theat to humanity for now and when the reapers come, no squad no matter how skilled would stop them.

All of that actually sounds... good. I'm shocked. :shock:

DarkLink77

[QUOTE="danish-death"][QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

I would not say a filler, not at all. They still revealed stuff, brought in characters, progressed what each character was doing as well as shepard, and introduced us to cerberus. That said, I did not like the story quite as much as I did the firsts. The beginning hours of ME1 are awesome.

dreman999

1.In Mass Effct 1, you strictly stay with the human collonies and the citadeal. Every other world was ether a wasteland, a hideout, or the starting point of a human colony. ME2 brings you out of human olny space and add more places simular to the citadel, and tuchanka.

2.ME2 looks in to alien cultures more. While were introduce to aliens in ME1, we base their culter based on their actions. In ME2, their cutltures are explained moreand details not known before are revealed.

3.We find out what a reaper is made of.

4.The story is more "gather a group to stop a group". The collecters were only a theat to humanity for now and when the reapers come, no squad no matter how skilled would stop them.

I KNEW it was a good idea to blow up the Collector base. :Ptagyhag

"Garrus is back along withJack:

She's matured," admits Art Director Derek Watts, "maybe she's softened up a bit. You can only stay punk rock for so long, you know. Even Johnny Rotten eventually goes, 'I've got to do something different'. She'd get tired of walking around completely naked and she'd probably grow her hair out, but she's still Jack and still kinda punk - shaved at the sides with a ponytail at the back"

I must be more intune with the series than I thought. That's exactly how I pictured Jack for the new game.It was clear by the end of the game that Shepard's influence had an effect on her..

Does anyone think this is going to be the best ME yet? I personally am hyping it to a 9.5 for me :P. I think ME1 and 2 are a bit overrated, but are very good and are greater than the sum of their parts. I hope they nail the story and progression, as well as what they have been talking about with combat and weapon customization.

Does anyone think this is going to be the best ME yet? I personally am hyping it to a 9.5 for me :P. I think ME1 and 2 are a bit overrated, but are very good and are greater than the sum of their parts. I hope they nail the story and progression, as well as what they have been talking about with combat and weapon customization.

NaveedLife

Well I'm hoping Jack still has the tattoos, those were pretty awesome. And I hope that the redesign of Ashely we saw in Game Informer isn't final, bring her back to more of a military look. EliteM0nk3y

[QUOTE="Arach666"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

I can praise it pre-release. That way, when it inevitably disappoints me, I'll be even more upset. And my hate will become even more powerful :twisted:

Don't worry, Arach, it's all part of the plan. ;)

AdobeArtist

Not to worry. I will be there as always, to 'educate' Darklink on the error of his poor judgement when it inevitably shows itself :P:P

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

Does anyone think this is going to be the best ME yet? I personally am hyping it to a 9.5 for me :P. I think ME1 and 2 are a bit overrated, but are very good and are greater than the sum of their parts. I hope they nail the story and progression, as well as what they have been talking about with combat and weapon customization.

dreman999

Did you agree with IGN's review of ME2? Honestly I just do not see how it got a 9.6/9.5. Not hating for the sake of hating lol. I thoroughly enjoyed both ME games and was glued to the screen. But they have a decent amount they need to work on, and seem to be doing just that. I am tempted to replay 1 and 2 as a diffferent class and maybe as a renegade, but I have other games to play for the first time :P.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

All of that actually sounds... good. I'm shocked. :shock:

The_Game21x

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

All of that actually sounds... good. I'm shocked. :shock:

AAllxxjjnn

"Garrus is back along withJack:

She's matured," admits Art Director Derek Watts, "maybe she's softened up a bit. You can only stay punk rock for so long, you know. Even Johnny Rotten eventually goes, 'I've got to do something different'. She'd get tired of walking around completely naked and she'd probably grow her hair out, but she's still Jack and still kinda punk - shaved at the sides with a ponytail at the back"

I must be more intune with the series than I thought. That's exactly how I pictured Jack for the new game.It was clear by the end of the game that Shepard's influence had an effect on her..

heretrix

[QUOTE="dreman999"]

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

Does anyone think this is going to be the best ME yet? I personally am hyping it to a 9.5 for me :P. I think ME1 and 2 are a bit overrated, but are very good and are greater than the sum of their parts. I hope they nail the story and progression, as well as what they have been talking about with combat and weapon customization.

NaveedLife

Did you agree with IGN's review of ME2? Honestly I just do not see how it got a 9.6/9.5. Not hating for the sake of hating lol. I thoroughly enjoyed both ME games and was glued to the screen. But they have a decent amount they need to work on, and seem to be doing just that. I am tempted to replay 1 and 2 as a diffferent ****and maybe as a renegade, but I have other games to play for the first time :P.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

"Garrus is back along withJack:

She's matured," admits Art Director Derek Watts, "maybe she's softened up a bit. You can only stay punk rock for so long, you know. Even Johnny Rotten eventually goes, 'I've got to do something different'. She'd get tired of walking around completely naked and she'd probably grow her hair out, but she's still Jack and still kinda punk - shaved at the sides with a ponytail at the back"

I must be more intune with the series than I thought. That's exactly how I pictured Jack for the new game.It was clear by the end of the game that Shepard's influence had an effect on her..

mrmusicman247

I've romanced her......Best romance in the game.....And it with my pure renegade krogon philosophy Sheperd. :(

PS - was it possibly to have a relationship with the psychologist? I tried to hit on her, but in the end I was just alone :( lol :P.

NaveedLife

You can't actually "romance" Kelly in the same way you can the other potential love interests. But if you don't initiate a romance with any of the SR2 crew and you did flirt with Kelly at every opportunity, you do get to have, well I guess you could say a casual encounter for lack of a better word. There won't be the fully engaged cinematic prior to the suicide mission, but after the game is complete and in the post mission part of the gameplay (assuming you successfully rescued the ships crew) you'll get an email from 'KellyGrrl'.

Then in your cabin you can invite her up to your room and get a few options for some special time, like cuddling on the couch or on the bed (still fully dressed mind you). In fact these are available after the mission with your romanced partner as well. Basically who ever you got into a relationship with becomes the only person you can invite to the cabin at the end-game, or Kelly if you didn't romance someone else but did flirt with her (don'tthink it counts as a relationship though). Oh and as for the special cabin activities, there is a bonus one you only get with Kelly - look for the action prompt by the armory wall, and she'll do an erotic dance for you, clad in the outfits the Asari club dancers wear.

* and reading above, I just could NOT even try to romance Jack, I would just as soon turn myself into a eunuch than touch that :P:P

* and reading above, I just could NOT even try to romance Jack, I would just as soon turn myself into a eunuch than touch that :P:P

AdobeArtist

Jack is the only one worth f****** in that game! :twisted: :P

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

[QUOTE="Arach666"] Ahhh,how devious of you! :DDarkLink77

Not to worry. I will be there as always, to 'educate' Darklink on the error of his poor judgement when it inevitably shows itself :P:P

Ahhh Darklink. You still don't even realize why you're now liking the game. You've been subjected to indoctrination for the past 5 months and not even aware of it. By the time ME3 does releasse, you'll be completely incapable of disagreeing with it. Hell you'll probably retract your earlier statements on ME2 and all the while believe it was your own prerogative all along ;) :twisted:

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

* and reading above, I just could NOT even try to romance Jack, I would just as soon turn myself into a eunuch than touch that :P:P

Arach666

Jack is the only one worth f****** in that game! :twisted: :P

Did you not see Garru... I mean... MIRANDA??? :oops: Best "uniform" in the game too ;)

[QUOTE="Arach666"]

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

* and reading above, I just could NOT even try to romance Jack, I would just as soon turn myself into a eunuch than touch that :P:P

AdobeArtist

Jack is the only one worth f****** in that game! :twisted: :P

Did you not see Garru... I mean... MIRANDA??? :oops: Best "uniform" in the game too ;)

Miranda? Nice booty and all that but I don´t like the damn woman! :evil:

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

Not to worry. I will be there as always, to 'educate' Darklink on the error of his poor judgement when it inevitably shows itself :P:P

AdobeArtist

Ahhh Darklink. You still don't even realize why you're now liking the game. You've been subjected to indoctrination for the past 5 months and not even aware of it. By the time ME3 does releasse, you'll be completely incapable of disagreeing with it. Hell you'll probably retract your earlier statements on ME2 and all the while believe it was your own prerogative all along ;) :twisted:

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] It's nice to know you'll always be there to be wrong, Adobe. DarkLink77

Ahhh Darklink. You still don't even realize why you're now liking the game. You've been subjected to indoctrination for the past 5 months and not even aware of it. By the time ME3 does releasse, you'll be completely incapable of disagreeing with it. Hell you'll probably retract your earlier statements on ME2 and all the while believe it was your own prerogative all along ;) :twisted:

Thaaaaat's right. Keep telling yourself that. Just what we want you to think ;)

I'm just glad they delayed it. 2011 was too soon, and there was no way ME3 would be AAA with that short of dev time.

This all sounds perfect, especially the more natural area cover. The overload of blocks killed the looks of the battle environments and the surprise of an attack.

But designing it for a new fan base? What fool would buy the last part of a trilogy? If I was interested in a TV series I wouldn't start at the final season, not even for a sitcom.

Sounds great. Day 1 buy, as with the prior two. :D

Im getting curious to see how exactly the rpg elements will be different...In action that is. From how Im hearing it, its just revamped from me2 so they evolve multiple times, which sounds lacking on paper, but if it makes it interesting in combat, then I guess thats all you can ask for. Other things sound good for the most part.

[QUOTE="Arach666"]

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

* and reading above, I just could NOT even try to romance Jack, I would just as soon turn myself into a eunuch than touch that :P:P

AdobeArtist

Jack is the only one worth f****** in that game! :twisted: :P

Did you not see Garru... I mean... MIRANDA??? :oops: Best "uniform" in the game too ;)

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

[QUOTE="Arach666"]

Jack is the only one worth f****** in that game! :twisted: :P

Arach666

Did you not see Garru... I mean... MIRANDA??? :oops: Best "uniform" in the game too ;)

Miranda? Nice booty and all that but I don´t like the damn woman! :evil:

I love Mass Effect . Finished the orinigal 3 times, going for 3 times in the second. take your time Bioware and deliver the game of the century. There's enough for me to play this year . Dark Souls will absorb so much precious time, as will Skyrim.

[QUOTE="Arach666"]

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

Did you not see Garru... I mean... MIRANDA??? :oops: Best "uniform" in the game too ;)

dreman999

Miranda? Nice booty and all that but I don´t like the damn woman! :evil:

Tali has a nice body too, and just imagine what's under the helmet. A nice eastern europe accent must mean long blond with...just don't watch those youtube videos featuring the Tali scene being manipulated ...

My hopes have gone from 0 to about 2/100. It seems they may not pull a Dragon Age II. I'm still pissed about ME2 though.foxhound_fox

Keeping it safe and minimizing hype I see. I dont blame you, but on a serious note: If they follow through with their words, key word of course, it'll be a huge upgrade. Maybe not in role playing terms like fallout, but it should be better than the bastard middle child me2. If nothing else, at least an enjoyable finish.

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

* and reading above, I just could NOT even try to romance Jack, I would just as soon turn myself into a eunuch than touch that :P:P

Arach666

Jack is the only one worth f****** in that game! :twisted: :P

Jack is a great character, and I actually really like her, but I can't bring myself to initiate a romance with her. I tried it once on one of my non-canon Sheps, and it felt like I was manipulating an emotionally damaged person into a relationship. I just feel way too sorry for her to do that.