What's to say the 360 won't end up like the original Xbox?

Yeah well the Wii is more expensive than the PS2 and it's competing against it plus the XBOX 360 and PS3 and is outselling all of them at the moment. I'm not trying to bash the 360 cause I plan on buying one soon, but I'm just saying that I see where the TC is coming from, and think MS could have done so much more with their one year head start.peaceful_anger

[QUOTE="the-very-best"][Will all those people switch to the 360 after they're finished with their PS2 or does it make more sense that they'd switch to the PS3 since it's getting the continuations to all major series from the PS2?Felous1

Trying to explain to you why the Xbox is a good system would be like trying to explain the fossil record to the Amish, a lot of work and you still wouldn't believe me anyway.Riverwolf007

Trying to explain to you why the Xbox is a good system would be like trying to explain the fossil record to the Amish, a lot of work and you still wouldn't believe me anyway.Riverwolf007

Trying to explain to you why the Xbox is a good system would be like trying to explain the fossil record to the Amish, a lot of work and you still wouldn't believe me anyway.Riverwolf007

A $600 price can turn away the attention of any fan, and you are underestimating the 360.

I don't underestimate new IP's....Gears is proof that you shouldn't.

Forza only sold 1 million so I don't really think that can be considered a competitor.

GTA going to 360 launch day is one of the major reasons I think the console will sell more than the original Xbox. However, the rest of the line-up still has too many PC counterparts which is a major reason the original Xbox did not sell that well.

I think you're underestimating Sony a little though. (Maybe I'm underestimating MS, dunno)...Sony didn't stay on top for 10 years because they're stupid. PS3 will be irreristable to the PS2 audience once the major series like GT5, GTAIV, MGSIV, FFXIII are all on the same console. That's the major reason I think Sony will win this gen again despite the price.

You have to remember price isn't everything. I mean, GC was the cheapest last gen and it sold the least...

PS2 was also the most expensive last gen and sold the most (Xbox had a price drop before it).
the-very-best

I say wait for more the more appealing games to come out before saying that the 360 will end up likes its predecessor.

By appealing games, I mean the usual ever-so-talked-about games such as Halo 3, Mass Effect, Assassin's Creed, Bioshock, maybe Blue Dragon for those who care, etc.


Toaster_Cell

[QUOTE="Felous1"]Nintendo screwed up in some ways like you said.
Sony came out of nowhere and Nintendo had a big brand name known to a lot of gamers and even non-gamers.

This time around Sony screwed around by making the PS3 too expensive making it risky for developers. Because this generation it's more expensive to make games, thus, making consoles lose exclusives. Not only that, but it's also harder to develop for.
Microsoft launched first and worked with developers trying to make everything easier for developers. XBL and development tools for example.

By the way, Microsoft also has GTA and Forza 2 to counter GT as well. Also, you shouldn't underestimate new IPS.
the-very-best

Gears was hype as a Halo killer according to EGM.

Remember last gen, games like GTA and MGS was also for Xbox and did that help sells?

I don't underestimate Sony, Sony simply screwed up with its price and they are gonna pay the price. Also, Microsoft having better developer support with XBL and better tools is bad for Sony.Felous1

Gears was hype as a Halo killer according to EGM.

Remember last gen, games like GTA and MGS was also for Xbox and did that help sells?

KeV-Unreal

Well there isn't a lot of evidence to suggest expensive products don't always work out.

PS1 was more expensive than the N64 by $100 and still dominated. PS2 was more expensive than GC and Xbox (it dropped the price early) and still dominated.

This time PS3's $100 more expensive than the 360. Both are very expensive though which is why I think it will be about 2-3 years before most consumers jump on board rather than 2 years before the PS2 saw its sales spike.
the-very-best

If the 360 is just like the original xbox, which is what you're trying to say - then what does that make the PS3? Since a console that has been out for 15 months is STILL outselling it in NA. Does that make the PS3 the next gamecube? No. I didn't think so. However, I think it's been very apparent that 360 sales have actually increased, since the other two consoles came out on the market. I think a lot of people were saying, "We're going to wait and see how the PS3 turned out." And then when they saw, they decided on the 360. Also the whole argument that "The PS3 is selling faster than the 360 in the same time frame" is very much a false statement since the 360 was restricted with console shortages until March and the PS3 is readily avaliable. However, I think it's a very big sign when the 360 outsold the PS3 in NA in Jan. It basically means that Sony is losing on two fronts. They're losing to the Wii in Japan, and the 360 in NA. Sony better start sucking up hard to Europe.mythrol

The problem is, consumers will compare the consoles. Which puts the PS3 in a very bad position. The 360 is gonna drop the price soon enough, but right now it's $100-$200 dollars cheaper with 1 year worth of games. The Wii has an amazing momentum and it only costs $250 bundled with one game.Felous1

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]Are you really that blind? The Sony name alone should've been enough to sell the system but it didn't outsell ANYTHING this holiday season because it was Too Damned expensive.. The 360 outsold the PS3 for 3 months straight.. and it doesn't look as if it'll stop anytime soon.. Stop making excuses for Sony and admit the truth. As of right now the PS3 is in last place and the price point isn't helping.. the-very-best

Consumers won't compare anything. the-very-best

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[QUOTE="the-very-best"]Why is the PS3 outselling the 360 in its time period? the-very-best

The 360 outsold the PS3 every month the PS3 has been on sale. Lie on a forum if it makes you feel better about the PS3 but the #s dont lie. 360 > PS3 sales.

Just look at how many PS2 owners there are(100million plus) and how many they are still selling.Thrice_III

[QUOTE="the-very-best"]Consumers won't compare anything. Felous1

Wii's momentum will wear off when GTAIV is not released on the consolethe-very-best

[QUOTE="the-very-best"]Consumers won't compare anything. Felous1

[QUOTE="Thrice_III"]Just look at how many PS2 owners there are(100million plus) and how many they are still selling.Felous1

[QUOTE="the-very-best"]Wii's momentum will wear off when GTAIV is not released on the consoleFelous1

Once again Nintendo lost the support of developers with their decision to stay with cartridges. So far no developers have really left Sony, they have just merely joined the 360 so like I said the 360 will do better than the original xbox but I don't see the PS3 doing much worse than the PS2.Thrice_III

Casuals aren't going to ignore the first main entry in years for the GTA series. That is one thing I'm sure about.the-very-best

What's to say the 360 won't end up like the Xbox?

And what's to say that the PS3 will end up like the PS2?

No one knows, and I am not speculating, but 360 is running in 1st place so far, and that's all I'm going by.

[QUOTE="Thrice_III"]Once again Nintendo lost the support of developers with their decision to stay with cartridges. So far no developers have really left Sony, they have just merely joined the 360 so like I said the 360 will do better than the original xbox but I don't see the PS3 doing much worse than the PS2.Felous1

[QUOTE="the-very-best"]Casuals aren't going to ignore the first main entry in years for the GTA series. That is one thing I'm sure about.Felous1

But have developers actually stopped supporting the PS3??Thrice_III

Which can be found from day one on a system that's $200 dollars cheaper.the-very-best

[QUOTE="Thrice_III"]But have developers actually stopped supporting the PS3??Felous1

[QUOTE="Thrice_III"]But have developers actually stopped supporting the PS3??Felous1

Some people believe that the 360 has the console war already won but sales argue otherwise. According to a few sources (vgcharts, teamxbox) the 360 is only doing slightly better (6% better to be exact) than the original Xbox was in its time period (talking sales here).

Why is the 360 only selling slightly better than the original Xbox in its time period? Why is the PS3 outselling the 360 in its time period? Shouldn't the 360 have sold more considering it released a year earlier than both the Wii and PS3?

I'm not arguing that the 360 is a flop, I'm just saying that there is no evidence to suggest that the 360 will be number 1 in the console war. Nintendo, on the other hand, have really improved their game. Wii is doing much better than the GC was in its time period. PS3 is doing about the same as the PS2, worse in Japan due to the Wii atm. We'll see what happens I suppose but my point was that there isn't any evidence to suggest the 360 will be number 1. Just want to point that out.

What do you guys think? A little surprised the 360 isn't selling incredibly? Or do you believe the year head start will cause the 360 to be more popular in the end?
the-very-best

[QUOTE="Felous1"][QUOTE="the-very-best"]Casuals aren't going to ignore the first main entry in years for the GTA series. That is one thing I'm sure about.the-very-best

Hardcore gamers are going to own all systems by the end of this generation

Some people believe that the 360 has the console war already won but sales argue otherwise. According to a few sources (vgcharts, teamxbox) the 360 is only doing slightly better (6% better to be exact) than the original Xbox was in its time period (talking sales here).

Why is the 360 only selling slightly better than the original Xbox in its time period? Why is the PS3 outselling the 360 in its time period? Shouldn't the 360 have sold more considering it released a year earlier than both the Wii and PS3?

I'm not arguing that the 360 is a flop, I'm just saying that there is no evidence to suggest that the 360 will be number 1 in the console war. Nintendo, on the other hand, have really improved their game. Wii is doing much better than the GC was in its time period. PS3 is doing about the same as the PS2, worse in Japan due to the Wii atm. We'll see what happens I suppose but my point was that there isn't any evidence to suggest the 360 will be number 1. Just want to point that out.

What do you guys think? A little surprised the 360 isn't selling incredibly? Or do you believe the year head start will cause the 360 to be more popular in the end?
the-very-best