whats with the increased hate of the playstation and sony recently?

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[QUOTE="rybe1025"]

Leave the PS3 alone!

When I see threads like this that is the image I get. I also only ever see these threads from PS3 fans.

rybe1025

I didn't know cows were so nice people they make threads like What is the most hated console on systemwars? Answer - Xbox 360!!! just for lems.

Eh I just put "360 hate" on the search and picked one. You probably will find PS3 ones with the similar time of separation one from the other. The point is that both factions do these kind of threads from time to time. So I just proved you were wrong :)

Leave the PS3 alone!

When I see threads like this that is the image I get. I also only ever see these threads from PS3 fans.

rybe1025

But yeah, haters gonna hate. 8)

Lemmings use XBL --> XBL is full if obnoxious kiddies aching to feel big --> Conclusion?

" PS3 is a failed system that was repeatedly jolted back to life with billion dollar investments " lol if you mean at launch then yes but after 47 million units sold and only 3 million behind the 360 and the gap keep closing you can't deny that the ps3 will take the crown of sales from the 360 at the end of thise gen shadi2020

If by launch you mean three years after, PS3 reported a $4.7 billion loss in 2009.

If Sony spends enough money, perhaps they can bridge the gap and get "the sales crown" by the end of this gen. But will that really be a indication of the PS3's success and popularity, given the sheer amount of propping up the platform has received? 360 of course spends money on their own exclusives, but not to the extent PS3 has.

I question if the PS3 would still be around right now, if it wasn't for 1st party support.

Lemmings use XBL --> XBL is full if obnoxious kiddies aching to feel big --> Conclusion?

Filthybastrd

Conclusion = you like to make baseless assumptions. There's proportionally just as many obnoxious kiddies on PSN.

Let them hate meanwhile I will enjoy my gamaing on all my gaming systemshkymike

Everything gets hated on. Get used to it.

Lemmings use XBL --> XBL is full if obnoxious kiddies aching to feel big --> Conclusion?

Filthybastrd

[QUOTE="dvalo9"]Lems are out in force lately, hermits hate on the ps3 while lems hide behind the hermits. i've never seen a lem take on a hermit.waltefmoney

Are you new? I've seen every faction argue with hermits.

Hermits only argue with ps3 owners when some idiotic claim comes up that xxx ps3 game looks better than crysis

or 360 owners when they say halo invented fps gaming

I have never seen a hermit argue with a wii owner simply cause they do not have much in common, so I guess they are cool with each other. Unlike the ps3 and 360 owners which take every chance to bash the wii.

the only thing I've seen an increase in is the "Xbox has no games in 2011" threads. Especially after that MS press event.

[QUOTE="shadi2020"]" PS3 is a failed system that was repeatedly jolted back to life with billion dollar investments " lol if you mean at launch then yes but after 47 million units sold and only 3 million behind the 360 and the gap keep closing you can't deny that the ps3 will take the crown of sales from the 360 at the end of thise gen AnnoyedDragon

If by launch you mean three years after, PS3 reported a $4.7 billion loss in 2009.

If Sony spends enough money, perhaps they can bridge the gap and get "the sales crown" by the end of this gen. But will that really be a indication of the PS3's success and popularity, given the sheer amount of propping up the platform has received? 360 of course spends money on their own exclusives, but not to the extent PS3 has.

I question if the PS3 would still be around right now, if it wasn't for 1st party support.

Well 2 flops is a lot to deal with.

GT5 the biggest flop in SW history

Flopzone 3 (the most hyped exclusive fps for the ps3) I mean cmon cow's you'd be hating on M$ if Halo and Gears flopped in 2 short months.

but microsoft lost alot more on the RROD you do know that... don't you ??? they even sued microsoft for that http://m.gizmodo.com/5064742/microsoft-sued-over-xbox-360-rrod-issues thats one of many things that ps3 beats 360 in sales every year until the is now only 3 million shadi2020

The RROD isn't relevant to this discussion. It hurt the 360, yes. But it isn't the same as the system itself requiring significant 1st party funding over many years just to establish itself in the market. Any developer can work on 360, were as PS3 posed problems for years; and pretty much only the 1st party have been able to take advantage of its advertised benefits.

but microsoft lost alot more on the RROD you do know that... don't you ??? they even sued microsoft for that http://m.gizmodo.com/5064742/microsoft-sued-over-xbox-360-rrod-issues thats one of many things that ps3 beats 360 in sales every year until they now only 3 million behindshadi2020

Feel free to post a source.

[QUOTE="shadi2020"]but microsoft lost alot more on the RROD you do know that... don't you ??? they even sued microsoft for that http://m.gizmodo.com/5064742/microsoft-sued-over-xbox-360-rrod-issues thats one of many things that ps3 beats 360 in sales every year until the is now only 3 million AnnoyedDragon

The RROD isn't relevant to this discussion. It hurt the 360, yes. But it isn't the same as the system itself requiring significant 1st party funding over many years just to establish itself in the market. Any developer can work on 360, were as PS3 posed problems for years; and pretty much only the 1st party have been able to take advantage of its advertised benefits.

Since when is 1st party games a bad thing? As a GAMER ... it benifits me the gamer to get great 1st party games that show what the system can do. You would rather have them rest on their laurels like MS is doing this gen? I wouldn't Sony has been supporting their platform like crazy! I care not about their sales or how much they spent. I care about the games and the platform which has been supported more than any other this gen. PS3 is on a role. I was strictly a hermit last gen, the thought that I would buy a console is insane, yet I did when I seen games like MGS4, GTA4(which wasn't on pc at the time in 08'), Uncharted and Heavenly Sword. It was great to have a system that complimented my pc with games I couldn't play there. That is what was missing on 360, 80% of the games were already on pc because they weren't 1st party. 1st party software is a good thing for gamers!!! Sales is good if you own stock, not for gamers. I care not about sales...I care about 1st party support for games and the platform growth!Midnightshade29

None of what you have said is relevant to what I was talking about, which is whether or not the PS3 itself was a success. You're looking at it from the perspective of a gamer, with no concern of how something is achieved; so long as it is achieved.

I'm looking at the PS3 itself as a product, which I consider to be a failure. It wouldn't need so much supplementation this far into the generation to survive; if it wasn't a failure.

Based on what you have said, you shouldn't concern yourself with my opinion on the matter, as your focus relies on the end result; and not how they achieved it. So long as Sony continues to spend through the roof, your experience won't be affected.

[QUOTE="shadi2020"]but microsoft lost alot more on the RROD you do know that... don't you ??? they even sued microsoft for that http://m.gizmodo.com/5064742/microsoft-sued-over-xbox-360-rrod-issues thats one of many things that ps3 beats 360 in sales every year until the is now only 3 million AnnoyedDragon

The RROD isn't relevant to this discussion. It hurt the 360, yes. But it isn't the same as the system itself requiring significant 1st party funding over many years just to establish itself in the market. Any developer can work on 360, were as PS3 posed problems for years; and pretty much only the 1st party have been able to take advantage of its advertised benefits.

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but microsoft lost alot more on the RROD you do know that... don't you ??? they even sued microsoft for that http://m.gizmodo.com/5064742/microsoft-sued-over-xbox-360-rrod-issues thats one of many things that ps3 beats 360 in sales every year until they now only 3 million behindwaltefmoney

Feel free to post a source.

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[QUOTE="shadi2020"]

but microsoft lost alot more on the RROD you do know that... don't you ??? they even sued microsoft for that http://m.gizmodo.com/5064742/microsoft-sued-over-xbox-360-rrod-issues thats one of many things that ps3 beats 360 in sales every year until they now only 3 million behindshadi2020

Feel free to post a source.

I was talking about you claiming Microsoft lost more than 4.7 billion on RROD. That's why I bolded it.

i will never deny that they made a mistake at the launch but yet they mange to pull them self up and fix their mistake and now the ps3 in the year 4 of it life while the 360 in the year 5 ps3 only behind the 360 with 3 million bec of the launch of the 360 was year early the console take advantage now in alot of things reliable hardware exclusives free online blue-ray with space over 50 GB makes the console more futureproof thats why the ps3 is best console thise gen thats my opinionshadi2020

There are aspects of the above I take issue with, such as them fixing their mistake (they cannot change their hardware), but I can understand the opinion of those who only concern themselves with the face value of the situation. So long as Sony continues to pump out big budget exclusives, there is no reason for them to fault the platform. I'm just criticising the idea of the PS3, as a product, being a success. When clearly the PS3 has required considerably supplementation this generation.

If Sony and Microsoft were to stop funding 1st party development tomorrow, leaving the platforms to rely on 3rd party support. I'm sure most of what the PS3 has done would be errased over night, were as 360 would still be sustainable on its own. I believe PS3 is reliant on Sony's funding to survive, were as 360 is not.

[QUOTE="shadi2020"][QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

Feel free to post a source.

waltefmoney

I was talking about you claiming Microsoft lost more than 4.7 billion on RROD. That's why I bolded it.

microsoft got sued bec of the damage they cost to 360 owners shows you how many console micro lost bec the RROD shadi2020

It doesn't show how much money they lost. That's your job, as you made a claim.

microsoft got sued bec of the damage they cost to 360 owners shows you how many console micro lost bec the RROD shadi2020

As I said earlier, the RROD and getting sued isn't really equivalent to what I've said about the PS3. 360 has done well "despite" the RROD problem, people still bought and enjoyed the platform; despite the high failure rate. Were as PS3 to this day is still reliant on Sony funding in order to seperate itself from the competition.

[QUOTE="shadi2020"]i will never deny that they made a mistake at the launch but yet they mange to pull them self up and fix their mistake and now the ps3 in the year 4 of it life while the 360 in the year 5 ps3 only behind the 360 with 3 million bec of the launch of the 360 was year early the console take advantage now in alot of things reliable hardware exclusives free online blue-ray with space over 50 GB makes the console more futureproof thats why the ps3 is best console thise gen thats my opinionAnnoyedDragon

There are aspects of the above I take issue with, such as them fixing their mistake (they cannot change their hardware), but I can understand the opinion of those who only concern themselves with the face value of the situation. So long as Sony continues to pump out big budget exclusives, there is no reason for them to fault the platform. I'm just criticising the idea of the PS3, as a product, being a success. When clearly the PS3 has required considerably supplementation this generation.

If Sony and Microsoft were to stop funding 1st party development tomorrow, leaving the platforms to rely on 3rd party support. I'm sure most of what the PS3 has done would be errased over night, were as 360 would still be sustainable on its own. I believe PS3 is reliant on Sony's funding to survive, were as 360 is not.

I'm on SW like all day everyday and I haven't noticed any hate against PS3. I do see lots of hate for the X360 though.

ok, I never have really understood this point of yours? 1) If you sell cell phones, why not sell minutes for it? 2) 1st Party software is making a profit. yes or no? 3) do you have a professional study or something like that shoing some kind of correlation between Sony 1st party titles and PS3 sales? 4) The more options the better. Sony it's not only a hardware maker. They make games since PS1 days, just like Nintendo and Sega. 5) If they believe in their product, why not support it and make extra cash?Giancar

All console companies are funding the development of 1st party projects in order to make their platform look better, and have done for generations. But the difference with PS3 right now being, PS3 is reliant on 1st party development in order to survive.

It's not just a matter of adding to their line-up that shows off their platform, it IS their line-up that shows off their platform. Without 1st party development, PS3 wouldn't have any games that demonstrate its argued hardware advantages over the competition. Neither 360 or Wii have this problem, because they don't need specialist development in order to be taken advantage of.

Sony's PS3 department has been losing money for years. Whether they are in the green right now I don't have the figures to say, but they were billions in the red even three years after launch. They have shoveled a massive amount of money into this platform to get its engines started, and have had to continue doing so this entire generation to keep it going. It makes you wonder if the platform really will last 10 years like they claim, or if that is how long it is going to take for them to make a worthwhile return on their investment.

PS3s hardware was a mistake, it made the platform too expensive on launch; and it is too difficult to utilize for 3rd party developers to put that hardware to use. PS3 utilizing games would cease to exist if Sony stopped funding them, were as any developer can take advantage of 360.

This to me is anything but a success, hopefully they will have learned from it next gen.

[QUOTE="shadi2020"]i will never deny that they made a mistake at the launch but yet they mange to pull them self up and fix their mistake and now the ps3 in the year 4 of it life while the 360 in the year 5 ps3 only behind the 360 with 3 million bec of the launch of the 360 was year early the console take advantage now in alot of things reliable hardware exclusives free online blue-ray with space over 50 GB makes the console more futureproof thats why the ps3 is best console thise gen thats my opinionAnnoyedDragon

There are aspects of the above I take issue with, such as them fixing their mistake (they cannot change their hardware), but I can understand the opinion of those who only concern themselves with the face value of the situation. So long as Sony continues to pump out big budget exclusives, there is no reason for them to fault the platform. I'm just criticising the idea of the PS3, as a product, being a success. When clearly the PS3 has required considerably supplementation this generation.

If Sony and Microsoft were to stop funding 1st party development tomorrow, leaving the platforms to rely on 3rd party support. I'm sure most of what the PS3 has done would be errased over night, were as 360 would still be sustainable on its own. I believe PS3 is reliant on Sony's funding to survive, were as 360 is not.

i respect your opinion but i don't agree at all they don't need to change the hardware their is nothing wrong with it and the exclusives says it allshadi2020

There is no point in having hardware that only the 1st party are able to take advantage of. For everyone else, it is around 360 performance. Which wouldn't be a problem, but PS3 cost considerably more than 360 at launch; because of those claimed hardware advantages.

This wouldn't be so significant if Sony didn't base their entire launch marketing campaign on the performance capabilities of the system.

Well 2 flops is a lot to deal with.

GT5 the biggest flop in SW history

Flopzone 3 (the most hyped exclusive fps for the ps3) I mean cmon cow's you'd be hating on M$ if Halo and Gears flopped in 2 short months.

Sp4rtan_3

...Because this is system wars???

All console companies are funding the development of 1st party projects in order to make their platform look better, and have done for generations. But the difference with PS3 right now being, PS3 is reliant on 1st party development in order to survive.AnnoyedDragon

t's not just a matter of adding to their line-up that shows off their platform, it IS their line-up that shows off their platform. Without 1st party development, PS3 wouldn't have any games that demonstrate its argued hardware advantages over the competition.AnnoyedDragon

They have shoveled a massive amount of money into this platform to get its engines started, and have had to continue doing so this entire generation to keep it going.AnnoyedDragon

Well, we Haters have to hate something, and its Sony's turn right now.

All systems get hate here.

[QUOTE="shadi2020"] i respect your opinion but i don't agree at all they don't need to change the hardware their is nothing wrong with it and the exclusives says it allAnnoyedDragon

There is no point in having hardware that only the 1st party are able to take advantage of. For everyone else, it is around 360 performance. Which wouldn't be a problem, but PS3 cost considerably more than 360 at launch; because of those claimed hardware advantages.

This wouldn't be so significant if Sony didn't base their entire launch marketing campaign on the performance capabilities of the system.

sony is number one imho thats why thers so much haterisms

It's about time, it got way too much love recently.

Bloody Glitchspot, have to change quotes...

survive? It's not like the PS3 has 0 3rd party developers or have sold only a couple of millions. for a "last" place it has sold way more than other systems in other gens...I has sold more than enough to attract 3rd party developersGiancar

If Sony didn't fund the development of those exclusives, why would people have purchased the PS3 at all? They paid considerably more for PS3 than 360 because of its promised potential. If that potential was never demonstrated, people wouldn't have continued adopting it. Remember, there was a significant amount of pessimism regarding the PS3 in the first year or so. If that had continued, who knows. No install base, no 3rd party support.

If Sony were to stop funding development right now they would have a install base for 3rd party support, but the hardware would still pose problems that could make the 360 look better; as we have seen.

"so using 1st party devs to demonstrate a marginal difference in graphics is bad
what do you rather show a 3rd party game or a game that you want to sell because it will bring you an extra cash flow?"

Read what I said.

"It's not just a matter of adding to their line-up that shows off their platform, it IS their line-up that shows off their platform."

I didn't say using 1st party development to demonstrate your platform is bad, I said needing 1st party development to do it is bad. Anyone can utilize 360, were as only Sony's in house development has managed to demonstrate PS3.

"And by doing so, they have made extra cash in software, attract more consumers and make their fanbase happy. Great way to do it so."

In today's high cost environment, where developers are expanding their audience cross platform to cover the higher expenses, it doesn't seem like the best way to differentiate your platform. As costs continue to rise and Sony keeps these games exclusive, they will be facing greater risk of not breaking even. Exclusive development from the 1st party may turn into marketing costs, a necessary expense to stand out.

"Anyways, the PS3 launch was a big mistake, that's sure. The 600$ pricetag almost killed them.
But software and hardware are not mutually exclusive bussiness in this industry. They go hand to hand.
Why not have a strong 1st party devs, make money, build fanbase, get more consumers
It is an extra value that they are selling. Basic economics.
Why sell just ice cream, if you can sell ice cream with oreos to outdo the competition?"

As I said above, console companies are shouldering the costs of modern big budget development; while restricting themselves to one platforms audience. I don't see how that could possibly be sustainable in the long term, developers went cross platform for a reason. A platform needs to be able to survive independent from 1st party expenditure, not reliant on it. Big budget 1st party exclusives are of course a good thing for a console, but for it to be the platforms sole means of differentiating itself; is going to become increasingly costly.

What if they try this same tactic next gen, when AAA development costs are expected to double? I'd hope they would have something else planned for then, and don't make the same mistake twice.

no thats not true at all there is still a lot of things make the ps3 is the best choice beside the exclusives : free online blue-ray with space over 50 GB reliable hardware no one can deny that and i can't ever say the same about the 360shadi2020

You said that wasn't true, but then went on to list things that aren't relevant to what I said.

Without hate, there is no sw. And without sw, I have to go back to watching Seinfeld re-runs.TheMoreYouOwn

I just lol'd.

is it just me or is there topics being started none stop about how its failing and how its not providing a good gaming experience because a fwe games on cod are hacked and there exclusives ' suck' because they dont get 9s :S

dont get it at all

rawrB

Are you serious? Cows practically own System Wars.

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Gears 3 and Forza 4 + a ton of multiplats are Kinect only?

waltefmoney

Oh wow, Gears 3!!! Say goodbye now competition!!:lol:

And Forza 4. I'm not sure how you missed that. :|

yes that gears and forza for the year. the ps3 has had lbp2 and killzone in the first two months. the show comes out on the 8th. the ps3 just does not stop. the box owners are mainstream gamers.

chicagodon

Its because 360 fanboys are mad that the PS3 took 5 years to crack it open to play illegal copies of games while their precious console was done within a month. More like a week if I'm not mistaken.

Also 360 got no exclusives this year besides Gears, Forza, and Kinect shovelware so they gotta make sure everybody suffers with them.

Well 2 great games were released for ps3 this year so far, LPB2 and KZ3, some people are jealous and want to play those games but they don't have the system so they bash it, and they have to wait until september to play some exclusives lol, Haters gonna hate.TheGuardian03

What's with the CONSTANT hate of Microsoft and Xbox 360 around here? That's perfectly fine though, right?

I don't blame anyone for bashing Sony or the PS3. Lems take enough crap from cows, might as well retaliate. :D

Its because 360 fanboys are mad that the PS3 took 5 years to crack it open to play illegal copies of games while their precious console was done within a month. More like a week if I'm not mistaken.

Also 360 got no exclusives this year besides Gears, Forza, and Kinect shovelware so they gotta make sure everybody suffers with them.

ChubbyGuy40

You realize MS took care of the modded systems a year and a half ago, right?

KevinnButlerNPK

Still no exclusives. So it goes back to the point of the first post.

Haters gonna hate.