What's Wrong With This Gen?

-needs more emphasis on online multiplayer. any game that doesn't include it is barely worth purchasing unless its released near the holiday season.

thats it.

The problem is there is no "Ivory Tower."

During the last generation, the PS2 was by far the biggest seller. It had an unbelievable wealth of AAA's and AA's. The more sales it got, the more it seemed to get - and fast. By the end of its 2nd year it was clear no consle was going to come close to matching its library quality.

This generation it's the opposite. The highest selling console, selling at an even faster pace than the PS2, has the WEAKEST library. THis is the first time it has ever happened. The more sales it gets, the more it seems to be left behind in quality by the other sales "losers." It is like rewarding developers and console manufacturers for a de-emphasis on quality, and that's not where we should be headed, it sets a bad precedent.

Emphasis on shooters to please the brainless.

Several games going Multiplat (Good for gamers, and good for developers, but bad for the gaming business as a whole).

60 dollar games (Doesn't bother me, I get the cheaper PC version).

MS and Sony playing dirty with their silly Exclusive DLC. :lol:

Not enough platformers.

Not enough WRPGs.

Too many fanboys.

Pirating on handhelds.

Focus on WTFOMFGBBQ graphics instead of gameplay

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There's some, this console gen is pretty failtastic. :\

Devs focusing on spectacle instead of quality core design.

That, to me, is really the biggest issue. It's like basketball players who start doing all kinds of sweet trick shots and wild lay-ups that look great but cause them to lose games, instead of just focusing on the central principles and playing good ball.

Developers need to cut it out with all this vomit inducing buzz word bull **** and just get back to the basics.

Alright guys and gals we all have our complaints about this gen so go ahead and jot yours down.

Me:
-Too much emphasis on multiplayer
-Too much emphasis on open ended and open world games
-Not enough action/adventure
-Games are starting to feel like they are all business no creativity
Tiefster

the multiplayer in new games suck and map design.

Alright guys and gals we all have our complaints about this gen so go ahead and jot yours down.

Me:
-Too much emphasis on multiplayer
-Too much emphasis on open ended and open world games
-Not enough action/adventure
-Games are starting to feel like they are all business no creativity
Tiefster

Couldn't agree more with the things you stated.I definitely want some adventure games soon. And there's definitely a lot of emphasis about multiplayer but, I don't think I could ever buy a multiplayer only game.For me multiplayer is more of a bonus, I could care less if a game has multiplayer, I need a solid single player experience.

Lack of online and offline splitscreen multiplayer is the only thing I hate about this gen. there is no reason why they cant incorporate splitscreen into all games.wiidog

No way. Online multiplayer is the biggest gimmick that this industry has ever seen. I long for the old days when we had single player games that spanned dozens of hours. I was just playing Paper Mario today. I realized that I was less than a quarter through the game, and I already had almost 12 hours of playtime.

I'll take a strong single-player or co-op over multiplayer any day.

1. It costs too much to make games, which causes other problems

2. Survival Horror is going down a steep hill

3. Lack of JRPGs

4. How slow releases are these days, in exchange for better graphics.

5. Casual focus from nintendo

6. Developers not taking the wii seriously

7. Lawsuits

[QUOTE="wiidog"]Lack of online and offline splitscreen multiplayer is the only thing I hate about this gen. there is no reason why they cant incorporate splitscreen into all games.Tylendal

No way. Online multiplayer is the biggest gimmick that this industry has ever seen. I long for the old days when we had single player games that spanned dozens of hours. I was just playing Paper Mario today. I realized that I was less than a quarter through the game, and I already had almost 12 hours of playtime.

I'll take a strong single-player or co-op over multiplayer any day.

A good single player element is good but there is nothing better than an incredible game you can play with 4 of your friends ( Timesplitters 4 example ).

[QUOTE="wiidog"]Lack of online and offline splitscreen multiplayer is the only thing I hate about this gen. there is no reason why they cant incorporate splitscreen into all games.Tylendal

No way. Online multiplayer is the biggest gimmick that this industry has ever seen. I long for the old days when we had single player games that spanned dozens of hours. I was just playing Paper Mario today. I realized that I was less than a quarter through the game, and I already had almost 12 hours of playtime.

I'll take a strong single-player or co-op over multiplayer any day.

multiplayer games have more replay value.

realism sucks in a fps...but it's cool in a racing game such as need for speed 1# which you can do some awesome crashes in.primateface

Are you kidding me? I am loving Call of Duty 4 because of how real it looks and feel.

1. It costs too much to make games, which causes other problems

2. Survival Horror is going down a steep hill

3. Lack of JRPGs

4. How slow releases are these days, in exchange for better graphics.

5. Casual focus from nintendo

6. Developers not taking the wii seriously

7. Lawsuits

hakanakumono

the problem is that we have two consoles that didn't do a meaningful upgrade from last gen all though they think they have, all while skyrocketting the costs of consoles, and meanwhile the wii is doing something really special but is bogged down with faulty hardware. By faulty hardware I dont mean the processors btw; I am saything the actual motion sensing doesn't work the way it should. If it did then the wii would be getting a lot more hardcore games. To me it seems like the really ambitious titles have controller issues, and the games that avoided those issues tend to underemphasize the motion sensing or make it tacked on. The tech in wii motion plus should have been there from the beginning and now it might be too late.

There are lots of good things about this gen though

[QUOTE="Tylendal"]

[QUOTE="wiidog"]Lack of online and offline splitscreen multiplayer is the only thing I hate about this gen. there is no reason why they cant incorporate splitscreen into all games.primateface

No way. Online multiplayer is the biggest gimmick that this industry has ever seen. I long for the old days when we had single player games that spanned dozens of hours. I was just playing Paper Mario today. I realized that I was less than a quarter through the game, and I already had almost 12 hours of playtime.

I'll take a strong single-player or co-op over multiplayer any day.

multiplayer games have more replay value.

Au contraire. Many online multiplayer games, such as Team Fortress 2 get old really quickly (at least for me). I'd rather have a game like Ogre Battle 64, where the campaign takes over 60 hours, and there are multiple endings and important decisions, meaning that you have to play through at least four times to find everything.

[QUOTE="Tylendal"]

[QUOTE="wiidog"]Lack of online and offline splitscreen multiplayer is the only thing I hate about this gen. there is no reason why they cant incorporate splitscreen into all games.primateface

No way. Online multiplayer is the biggest gimmick that this industry has ever seen. I long for the old days when we had single player games that spanned dozens of hours. I was just playing Paper Mario today. I realized that I was less than a quarter through the game, and I already had almost 12 hours of playtime.

I'll take a strong single-player or co-op over multiplayer any day.

multiplayer games have more replay value.

True. Unless the person playing doesn't like multiplayer, or it's a really badly done multiplay system.

-The amount of dev time for games
-Lack of Action Adventure games.

That's basically it.

Online game over single player experience, it is a joke when a game only have 6 hours of single player campaign and they compensate with multiplayer features, thats lazy.

Too much hype for big games that sales millions on the first week and then they are forget because the next big one is around the corner (although you know its at least 6 months away)

Graphics = Great game in some buyers and devs eyes.

Too expensive.

Lack of creativity

Lack of fighters.

But of course, there are still tons of great things this gen.

I actually wish there were more open ended and open world games. Those are things this gen should be able to do better than last gen and they should take full advantage of it. To me this gen has been devoid of creativity. Early last gen you saw incredible stuff, not just niche games like Ico but also creativity in mainstream games like GTA3 and Metroid Prime. Now it's just sequel, sequel, sequel, or shooter, shooter, shooter. Everything has been done before and nothing feels fresh.TargetDog

That's one of the main reasons I got a Wii. Endless Ocean, No More Heroes, Blastworks, Trauma Center. Interspersed with more traditional games like SSBB or SMG those are the games that give me a new and fresh experience.

Software companies that say they are pushing the next gen system when you look at the game it looks blocky graphic wise and choppy play wise!! Price of the systems!! jasonheyman

Egotistical devs? :|

-needs more emphasis on online multiplayer. any game that doesn't include it is barely worth purchasing unless its released near the holiday season.

thats it.

diped

Companies more focused on non gaming aspects instead of gaming. (Do we REALLY need dvd playback and internet browsers?)

Companies that spend more time hyping instead of ensuring they are producing quality products . (So how many times are you going to worry about last gen and forget that this gen exists?)

Too much worrying about the casual market ( I don't want to flaial a controller at a screen to bowl or play Scene It.)

Ideas being just reheashed instead of new ones surfacing (Homage is a fancy way of saying total rehash.)

[QUOTE="TargetDog"]I actually wish there were more open ended and open world games. Those are things this gen should be able to do better than last gen and they should take full advantage of it. To me this gen has been devoid of creativity. Early last gen you saw incredible stuff, not just niche games like Ico but also creativity in mainstream games like GTA3 and Metroid Prime. Now it's just sequel, sequel, sequel, or shooter, shooter, shooter. Everything has been done before and nothing feels fresh.Tylendal

That's one of the main reasons I got a Wii. Endless Ocean, No More Heroes, Blastworks, Trauma Center. Interspersed with more traditional games like SSBB or SMG those are the games that give me a new and fresh experience.

Yeah, the Wii has plenty of original games, but most of them aren't of high quality. I can think of all the original games I enjoyed this year on one hand. No More Heroes, Zack and Wiki, Uncharted, Mass Effect, and Viva Pinata. This isn't including downloadable games, though, which have been a godsend this gen IMO. You would never see Braid or Lostwinds released as full games.

[QUOTE="diped"]

-needs more emphasis on online multiplayer. any game that doesn't include it is barely worth purchasing unless its released near the holiday season.

thats it.

foxhound_fox

I entirely agree with you. Most multiplayer in games this gen as well as last gen are really just a gimmick.

Alright guys and gals we all have our complaints about this gen so go ahead and jot yours down.

Me:
-Too much emphasis on multiplayer
-Too much emphasis on open ended and open world games
-Not enough action/adventure
-Games are starting to feel like they are all business no creativity
Tiefster

Pretty much the same as what you have. Although I like open world game, but it has to be done well like oblivion where their is still clear main story etc. Too much multiplayer not enough story and game creativity. Its all about selling, not making something amazing now adays.

Alright guys and gals we all have our complaints about this gen so go ahead and jot yours down.

Me:
-Too much emphasis on multiplayer
Tiefster

In a way, I agree, but I think the problem is that there isn't enough emphasis on co-operative multiplayer (like in LBP and Fable 2 (if F2 were online :/)) and it's too much about FPS deathmatches. I think we need more muliplayer RPG's and action titles. LBP and Castle Crashers are doing it right IMO.

Games focus more on graphics and mutiplayer, therefore that makes the game have good mutiplayer but bad single player. Can't developers do both? Another complaint is the price of the consoles/games. I am not going to buy a last gen game because of the insane prices. I'm going back to playing my PS2 (bring it fanboys) instead of the new consoles.

I entirely agree with you. Most multiplayer in games this gen as well as last gen are really just a gimmick. dream431ca

Why is it acceptable for a game to focus only on single player to you, but not the other way around? Personally, I prefer a good single player game over a good multiplayer one, but some games are designed to be experienced with others and are better games as a result.

1. It costs too much to make games, which causes other problems

2. Survival Horror is going down a steep hill

3. Lack of JRPGs

4. How slow releases are these days, in exchange for better graphics.

5. Casual focus from nintendo

6. Developers not taking the wii seriously

7. Lawsuits

hakanakumono

I agree with you to an extent on these points, and I think it's both the Third Parties' and Nintendo's fault. The Third Parties because so many of them see the Wii as nothing more than a quick cash grab while they SHOULD be focusing on it since it's got the largest install base of the 3 current home consoles.

That being said, how can the casual gamers that Nintendo wants to hook know about any of the really good 3rd Party titles when there is NO advertising for them?? Nintendo needs to show some support and put some ads out for these titles (I'm saying this not knowing if Nintendo wants to control any and all ads for the Wii or not, so if I'm wrong than please correct me). Consumers WILL buy something if its marketed right; look at Gears of War. Do you think it would've sold as high as it has if it didn't have that AMAZING commercial going for it?

The PS2 is the best deal in gaming. It's amazing the number of great games for it that can be had for less than $20. I found MGS2 at GameStop for 3.99... Tough to beat that.

Games focus more on graphics and mutiplayer, therefore that makes the game have good mutiplayer but bad single player. Can't developers do both? Another complaint is the price of the consoles/games. I am not going to buy a last gen game because of the insane prices. I'm going back to playing my PS2 (bring it fanboys) instead of the new consoles.

wassup432

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

I entirely agree with you. Most multiplayer in games this gen as well as last gen are really just a gimmick. TargetDog

Why is it acceptable for a game to focus only on single player to you, but not the other way around? Personally, I prefer a good single player game over a good multiplayer one, but some games are designed to be experienced with others and are better games as a result.

Look at Warhawk. A multiplayer game only. Personally I think the designers of the game made a smart choice in making the game multiplayer only.

With a lot of games this gen, you see developers having to choose which is best: Single Player or Multiplayer. It's pretty rare to have a game where both the Single Player and Multiplayer are excellent. What usually happens is the developers get stretched too thin on what part of the game should they focus more on: is story more important than online? Is multiplayer really worth it if the multiplayer is shallow?

I have no problems with multiplayer, but what I prefer is a developer should either stick to Single Player or Multiplayer. Too many games this gen and last gen have disappointed me in either Single Player or Multiplayer because the developer had to choose which was more important.

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

I entirely agree with you. Most multiplayer in games this gen as well as last gen are really just a gimmick. TargetDog

Why is it acceptable for a game to focus only on single player to you, but not the other way around? Personally, I prefer a good single player game over a good multiplayer one, but some games are designed to be experienced with others and are better games as a result.

There are definately good multiplayer games. However, I think the reason that single-player seems more important is the fact that it's harder to create a unique experiance with multiplayer. Single player deals with the realm of imagination, whereas multiplayer has been pretty covered by various games and sports over the centuries, and when it is something that first appeared in the gaming industry, it's usually an expansion on what was originally a single-player experiance.

not enough sci-fi/twitch shooters

casuals

1. It costs too much to make games, which causes other problems

2. Survival Horror is going down a steep hill

3. Lack of JRPGs

4. How slow releases are these days, in exchange for better graphics.

5. Casual focus from nintendo

6. Developers not taking the wii seriously

7. Lawsuits

hakanakumono

I have to agree, I miss the good old days when a game would take no more than 1-2 years to make, now its like 2-4 years and majority of them aren't even good/worth the wait (MGS4 is prolly the only exception).

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1. It costs too much to make games, which causes other problems

2. Survival Horror is going down a steep hill

3. Lack of JRPGs

4. How slow releases are these days, in exchange for better graphics.

5. Casual focus from nintendo

6. Developers not taking the wii seriously

7. Lawsuits

ProductofChina

Silent Hill 5, imo, has been contaminated by the fanboys that produced it.

RE5 is not survival horror anymore.

And FF4? Well, yeah thats still there. Siren is still here, although it seems to be heavily watered down.

[QUOTE="ProductofChina"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

1. It costs too much to make games, which causes other problems

2. Survival Horror is going down a steep hill

3. Lack of JRPGs

4. How slow releases are these days, in exchange for better graphics.

5. Casual focus from nintendo

6. Developers not taking the wii seriously

7. Lawsuits

hakanakumono

Silent Hill 5, imo, has been contaminated by the fanboys that produced it.

RE5 is not survival horror anymore.

And FF4? Well, yeah thats still there. Siren is still here, although it seems to be heavily watered down.

Silent Hill 5 is worrying me. I love that series.

RE4 wasn't survival horror as well, although I liked the change.