When did consoles make the transition from innovation to gimmicks?

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#52 StrongBlackVine
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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Actually if I really wanted to I suppose I could make a case for cyber bullying against some of you guys. If you live in the US you might want to check your state laws, some of them do extend to gaming forums and the like and there could be serious consequences.

As for my "end of the world rant" I simply stated that it's best to be prepared just in case of an emergency. Such as a national disaster or the like, not that I am convinced that something like that would happen. But it's good to be safe and make sure you have extra food and guns etc....

ShadowMoses900

No, no you couldn't.  Lets for a moment put aside the fact that you would be laughed out of court because any investigation would uncover your 'killer instict' (makes me lol just thinking about it) and imagine the evidence you would present:

You: Waahh Waahh I posted some nonsense on an internet forum and some dudes laughed at me for being an idiot!! Help me hurt them!!

Judge: Did they actually threaten you?

You: Noooo... but they was mean and I was hurt....can you salve my butt even though I was the one threatening to kill people?

Judge: No, you are an idiot and I sentence you to a life of ridicule on the internet.

You: WAAAHHH! Not even a finger tip of butt salve to ease my pain? Bu bu bu bu I was bullied!!

Judge: Shut up, even I hate you.  Now crawl back under that rock you came from and take your ownage like a man! If you can.

I have been threatened by people on here. They usually send me them in messages on PSN or to my Youtube account talking about how they want to put me in an oven and want will hurt me and my family if they ever find me. I am pretty certain who these people are, you're probably one of them.

Like I said, keep laughing behind the safety of your computer where there are no physical consequnces for being an internet assh0le.

If this were true you would have already turned these people over to the proper authorities.

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#53 ShadowMoses900
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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="1080pOnly"]

No, no you couldn't.  Lets for a moment put aside the fact that you would be laughed out of court because any investigation would uncover your 'killer instict' (makes me lol just thinking about it) and imagine the evidence you would present:

You: Waahh Waahh I posted some nonsense on an internet forum and some dudes laughed at me for being an idiot!! Help me hurt them!!

Judge: Did they actually threaten you?

You: Noooo... but they was mean and I was hurt....can you salve my butt even though I was the one threatening to kill people?

Judge: No, you are an idiot and I sentence you to a life of ridicule on the internet.

You: WAAAHHH! Not even a finger tip of butt salve to ease my pain? Bu bu bu bu I was bullied!!

Judge: Shut up, even I hate you.  Now crawl back under that rock you came from and take your ownage like a man! If you can.

StrongBlackVine

I have been threatened by people on here. They usually send me them in messages on PSN or to my Youtube account talking about how they want to put me in an oven and want will hurt me and my family if they ever find me. I am pretty certain who these people are, you're probably one of them.

Like I said, keep laughing behind the safety of your computer where there are no physical consequnces for being an internet assh0le.

If this were true you would have already turned these people over to the proper authorities.

I have gotten several hate messages from this person on my Youtube and PSN, they did it here on GS and IGN too but they got banned from both of those places. I'm not entirely sure who this person is but I think he went by the name of "PCgamesarenotcool" or something similar. Here are the messages he sent me:

"ill slit your throat while youre sleeping you pig **** **** jew snake yeah you ruined sw for me i got banned because you and now you **** up big time jew boi"

Link to Comment Page:IGN Rewind Theater - The Last of Us: Tearing Ap

The user goes by the name of GEARTPO. That is not the end of it however, there have been several other remarks about him and a bunch of other users from this site (who I don't think were aware of this and he was making it up) who were all planning on finding me and killing me. No joke. I got this message on PSN from him:

"stupid kike we are all planning on getting you dumb pig **** your days are numbered we are gonna put you in a oven and burn you alive everyone on here is coming for you"

The gamertag that sent this was Adolfothebest43, though I can't find him on PS3 trophies anymore. Maybe he got banned after I reported him.

(I don't know how to link messages on PSN)

This person has issues no doubt, they are mentally ill clearly. He also named off other users (who I will not name) that are "on his side" though I seriously doubt they are or are even aware of his behavior. I'm not worried at all, it's just a sad person on the interent. However some people are clearly mentally ill and this guy fits that perfectly.

So far I have just blocked him on Youtube and PS3, he got banned from GS and IGN. For the most part it seems to have quited down but every now and then I get a random message on Youtube or PSN from him using a different name and he just foams at the mouth again.

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#54 Zeviander
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When were they ever mutually exclusive?
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#55 1080pOnly
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[QUOTE="1080pOnly"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Actually if I really wanted to I suppose I could make a case for cyber bullying against some of you guys. If you live in the US you might want to check your state laws, some of them do extend to gaming forums and the like and there could be serious consequences.

As for my "end of the world rant" I simply stated that it's best to be prepared just in case of an emergency. Such as a national disaster or the like, not that I am convinced that something like that would happen. But it's good to be safe and make sure you have extra food and guns etc....

ShadowMoses900

No, no you couldn't.  Lets for a moment put aside the fact that you would be laughed out of court because any investigation would uncover your 'killer instict' (makes me lol just thinking about it) and imagine the evidence you would present:

You: Waahh Waahh I posted some nonsense on an internet forum and some dudes laughed at me for being an idiot!! Help me hurt them!!

Judge: Did they actually threaten you?

You: Noooo... but they was mean and I was hurt....can you salve my butt even though I was the one threatening to kill people?

Judge: No, you are an idiot and I sentence you to a life of ridicule on the internet.

You: WAAAHHH! Not even a finger tip of butt salve to ease my pain? Bu bu bu bu I was bullied!!

Judge: Shut up, even I hate you.  Now crawl back under that rock you came from and take your ownage like a man! If you can.

I have been threatened by people on here. They usually send me them in messages on PSN or to my Youtube account talking about how they want to put me in an oven and want will hurt me and my family if they ever find me. I am pretty certain who these people are, you're probably one of them.

Like I said, keep laughing behind the safety of your computer where there are no physical consequnces for being an internet assh0le.

You paranoid muppet.  Tell you what, if you are so certain I'm 'one of those people' then go to the police...I'll even PM you my IP so you can start proceedings :lol:.

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#56 MozartXVI
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This person has issues no doubt, they are mentally ill clearly.

ShadowMoses900

LOL @ Shadowmoses calling someone else mentally ill. :lol:

And LOL at making up these "hate PMs" and then linking your own youtube comment thinking we wouldn't click the link.

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#58 Zeviander
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Shadow, we disagree on a great many things (aside from businesses being entitled to make money apparently) and I do not necessarily enjoy your style of argumentation, but if you are in fact receiving threats of that nature, you need to contact customer service immediately. Even for the worst of trolls, that sh!t ain't right.
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#59 1080pOnly
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I have gotten several hate messages from this person on my Youtube and PSN, they did it here on GS and IGN too but they got banned from both of those places. I'm not entirely sure who this person is but I think he went by the name of "PCgamesarenotcool" or something similar. Here are the messages he sent me:

"ill slit your throat while youre sleeping you pig **** **** jew snake yeah you ruined sw for me i got banned because you and now you **** up big time jew boi"

Link to Comment Page:IGN Rewind Theater - The Last of Us: Tearing Ap

The user goes by the name of GEARTPO. That is not the end of it however, there have been several other remarks about him and a bunch of other users from this site (who I don't think were aware of this and he was making it up) who were all planning on finding me and killing me. No joke. I got this message on PSN from him:

"stupid kike we are all planning on getting you dumb pig **** your days are numbered we are gonna put you in a oven and burn you alive everyone on here is coming for you"

The gamertag that sent this was Adolfothebest43, though I can't find him on PS3 trophies anymore. Maybe he got banned after I reported him.

(I don't know how to link messages on PSN)

This person has issues no doubt, they are mentally ill clearly. He also named off other users (who I will not name) that are "on his side" though I seriously doubt they are or are even aware of his behavior. I'm not worried at all, it's just a sad person on the interent. However some people are clearly mentally ill and this guy fits that perfectly.

So far I have just blocked him on Youtube and PS3, he got banned from GS and IGN. For the most part it seems to have quited down but every now and then I get a random message on Youtube or PSN from him using a different name and he just foams at the mouth again.

ShadowMoses900

You think this is me? :lol:

Seriously though, it's not cool to do this kind of stuff but here is the kicker.... do you not look back at your posts and and ask yourself why someone would send you that? I'm not condoning it at all but I can completely understand why you would attract that sort of moron.  I suggest you look at yourself for some answers before blaming everyone else.

P.S. I still think you're an idiot of the highest caliber

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#60 ShadowMoses900
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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="1080pOnly"]

No, no you couldn't.  Lets for a moment put aside the fact that you would be laughed out of court because any investigation would uncover your 'killer instict' (makes me lol just thinking about it) and imagine the evidence you would present:

You: Waahh Waahh I posted some nonsense on an internet forum and some dudes laughed at me for being an idiot!! Help me hurt them!!

Judge: Did they actually threaten you?

You: Noooo... but they was mean and I was hurt....can you salve my butt even though I was the one threatening to kill people?

Judge: No, you are an idiot and I sentence you to a life of ridicule on the internet.

You: WAAAHHH! Not even a finger tip of butt salve to ease my pain? Bu bu bu bu I was bullied!!

Judge: Shut up, even I hate you.  Now crawl back under that rock you came from and take your ownage like a man! If you can.

1080pOnly

I have been threatened by people on here. They usually send me them in messages on PSN or to my Youtube account talking about how they want to put me in an oven and want will hurt me and my family if they ever find me. I am pretty certain who these people are, you're probably one of them.

Like I said, keep laughing behind the safety of your computer where there are no physical consequnces for being an internet assh0le.

You paranoid muppet.  Tell you what, if you are so certain I'm 'one of those people' then go to the police...I'll even PM you my IP so you can start proceedings :lol:.

Some of the people on here could really face consequences, especially if I chose to hurt myself over it and cause a national incident. It would be all over the news, GameSpot's reputation could get ruined and the media would really go on a hunt on some of the users on here.

Maybe I'm mentally ill? Maybe I'm a loon whose close to snapping? How do you know I'm not? What if I'm off some medication and I'm just crazy enough to do something really bad? 

If a mod wants to ban me they can go ahead. I'm perfectly fine with it. But just remember...it's easy to hide behind a computer screen. I'm sick of people cyber stalking me all the time and sending me death threats, these are all people or a person from this site using differnt names and I want to end it right now.

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#61 MozartXVI
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Shadowmoses, If I got PMs threatening my family I'd report them to the cops rather than show it off on the Internet. But this is you in your threads and blogs - "hey guyz look i got these hate pms and i know who you are so if you don't stop i'm gonna make a case of cyberbullying against you all!"

Of course, unless I made a smurf account and sent myself those PMs thinking maybe people will forget about my sad lying ass if I try to confused them with stories about receiving imaginery threats.

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#62 clr84651
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When Nintendo made the Wii it started it and the trend is ongoing now. 

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#63 OneInchMan99
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Can't say I've experienced any gimmicks with my PS3 this gen(yes,move exists.....I ignore it).

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Some of the people on here could really face consequences, especially if I chose to hurt myself over it and cause a national incident. It would be all over the news, GameSpot's reputation could get ruined and the media would really go on a hunt on some of the users on here.

Maybe I'm mentally ill? Maybe I'm a loon whose close to snapping? How do you know I'm not? What if I'm off some medication and I'm just crazy enough to do something really bad? 

If a mod wants to ban me they can go ahead. I'm perfectly fine with it. But just remember...it's easy to hide behind a computer screen. I'm sick of people cyber stalking me all the time and sending me death threats, these are all people or a person from this site using differnt names and I want to end it right now.

ShadowMoses900

You're going off the deep end.

Just stop and take a few breaths.

I don't believe in suicide over what other people say. Homicide maybe, not suicide.

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#65 1080pOnly
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Some of the people on here could really face consequences, especially if I chose to hurt myself over it and cause a national incident. It would be all over the news, GameSpot's reputation could get ruined and the media would really go on a hunt on some of the users on here.

Maybe I'm mentally ill? Maybe I'm a loon whose close to snapping? How do you know I'm not? What if I'm off some medication and I'm just crazy enough to do something really bad? 

If a mod wants to ban me they can go ahead. I'm perfectly fine with it. But just remember...it's easy to hide behind a computer screen. I'm sick of people cyber stalking me all the time and sending me death threats, these are all people or a person from this site using differnt names and I want to end it right now.

ShadowMoses900

In all honesty I think you need a ban, for your own good.  Go outside, breath a little, take a retrospective look at your life.  As a person who has suffered a great deal of pain in his life, from many sources, I can tell you this:

Life is hard.  Don't blame others for your own shortcomings.  If you feel you have a problem, seek help.  If help is not forthcoming then look again.  If you still find nothing then look to yourself for help.  If you still find nothing then do what you have to, without blaming others who owe you nothing.

I have no god, you do.  Ask it for the answer or STFU.

*Edit* Disclaimer - I take no responsibility for morons.

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If a mod wants to ban me they can go ahead. I'm perfectly fine with it. But just remember...it's easy to hide behind a computer screen. I'm sick of people cyber stalking me all the time and sending me death threats, these are all people or a person from this site using differnt names and I want to end it right now.ShadowMoses900
Things you need to do: 1. Stop posting in this thread. 2. PM JodyR at Customer Service with links to all the threats made against you. 3. Take a break until it can be resolved, you are only going to make things worse at this point.
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#67 ShadowMoses900
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Shadowmoses, If I got PMs threatening my family I'd report them to the cops rather than show it off on the Internet. But this is you in your threads and blogs - "hey guyz look i got these hate pms and i know who you are so if you don't stop i'm gonna make a case of cyberbullying against you all!"

Of course, unless I made a smurf account and sent myself those PMs thinking maybe people will forget about my sad lying ass if I try to confused them with stories about receiving imaginery threats.

MozartXVI

I talked to the police before and e-mailed them it. They said they are looking into it but they told me that person(s) who is doing this is using some kind of dynamic IP address or blocker so they can't find them.

I don't think GS is for me. You guys can keep on laughing and hiding behind your fvcking computer screens. It's not right that I come in here and drama instantly starts that has nothing to do with fvcking thread.

Maybe you'll find a new "victim" to attack, but sooner or later someone is going to bite back and you're not going to like it.

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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]If a mod wants to ban me they can go ahead. I'm perfectly fine with it. But just remember...it's easy to hide behind a computer screen. I'm sick of people cyber stalking me all the time and sending me death threats, these are all people or a person from this site using differnt names and I want to end it right now.Zeviander
Things you need to do: 1. Stop posting in this thread. 2. PM JodyR at Customer Service with links to all the threats made against you. 3. Take a break until it can be resolved, you are only going to make things worse at this point.

Yeah, that's some good advice!

If you keep posting about this here, you'll just draw more attention to yourself, the more angrier and frustrated you seem, the more of these trolls and stalkers can you expect. Take it up with GS customer service, I hope you can get it resolved... you may often troll here on SW to get a rise out of people, but what those stalkers are yelling is going way too far...

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#69 1080pOnly
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[QUOTE="MozartXVI"]

Shadowmoses, If I got PMs threatening my family I'd report them to the cops rather than show it off on the Internet. But this is you in your threads and blogs - "hey guyz look i got these hate pms and i know who you are so if you don't stop i'm gonna make a case of cyberbullying against you all!"

Of course, unless I made a smurf account and sent myself those PMs thinking maybe people will forget about my sad lying ass if I try to confused them with stories about receiving imaginery threats.

ShadowMoses900

I talked to the police before and e-mailed them it. They said they are looking into it but they told me that person(s) who is doing this is using some kind of dynamic IP address or blocker so they can't find them.

I don't think GS is for me. You guys can keep on laughing and hiding behind your fvcking computer screens. It's not right that I come in here and drama instantly starts that has nothing to do with fvcking thread.

Maybe you'll find a new "victim" to attack, but sooner or later someone is going to bite back and you're not going to like it.

Stop being a victim, take responsibility for your own stupidity and ignore anybody that physically threatens you over the internet.  Now leave SW, you are not the warrior you claim to be and no good can come from your presence here.

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#70 MozartXVI
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[QUOTE="MozartXVI"]

Shadowmoses, If I got PMs threatening my family I'd report them to the cops rather than show it off on the Internet. But this is you in your threads and blogs - "hey guyz look i got these hate pms and i know who you are so if you don't stop i'm gonna make a case of cyberbullying against you all!"

Of course, unless I made a smurf account and sent myself those PMs thinking maybe people will forget about my sad lying ass if I try to confused them with stories about receiving imaginery threats.

ShadowMoses900

I talked to the police before and e-mailed them it. They said they are looking into it but they told me that person(s) who is doing this is using some kind of dynamic IP address or blocker so they can't find them.

I don't think GS is for me. You guys can keep on laughing and hiding behind your fvcking computer screens. It's not right that I come in here and drama instantly starts that has nothing to do with fvcking thread.

Maybe you'll find a new "victim" to attack, but sooner or later someone is going to bite back and you're not going to like it.

LOL playing the victim card again?

Nobody is picking on you. If you didn't constantly depict yourself as such a condescending lying piece of sh*t we wouldn't be making fun of you. I love how every once in a while you cry about getting bullied into leaving GS and only to come back and resume your lonely troll routine.

Maybe you can learn a lesson here. Don't cry unfair when you brought this on yourself. And don't make sh*t up about people sending you threats hoping to get 2 sympathetic posts out of SW.

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[QUOTE="dobzilian"]Everything is a Gimmick in someones eyes. Your variation of innovation sounds completely different to mine while your variation of innovation is little more than a gimmick.nekrothing

It's not subjective. If something is a gimmick, then it's a gimmick regardless of whether or not you agree.

Like Articuno76 said, we can determine if something is a gimmick based on how its adopted and implemented. The fact that Nintendo and Sony are dropping motion controlled gaming in favor of touchscreen gaming is a clear indicator that motion controlled gaming was nothing more than a gimmick and not actual innovation. If developers had stuck with it and refined it over the years to improve the way we play games, then it would count as innovation. That isn't the case obviously. On the other hand, things like analog sticks and 3D graphics aren't gimmicks. They've genuinely improved the way we play games over the years.

Microsoft is not dropping motion gaming and neither is Sony. Both are including motion controls with their next consoles. Can one not use more than one type of controller? Ever heard the word choice?
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#72 FragTycoon
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Its gimmicks that create buzz and hype that sell millions of units. What usually ends up happening is gimmicks collect dust in closets (as Ive seen so many Wiis) where more reasonable need/want driven devises flourish.

List of gimmick devises that I remember

R.O.B.

Power Glove

SNES Mouse (only because the games for it was so awful)

Wii motion

Wii motion+

Six axis

Kinect

Move

Step/dance revolution pad

Balance board

Eye (although its a fine web cam for web chat)

Guitar/Drum/KB/Microphone band peripherals

Rumble

and recently, touch screens

List of things that I DON'T consider Gimmicks

Shoulder buttons

Trigger buttons

Analog buttons

Analog sticks

Non-IR wireless devices

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#73 clr84651
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[QUOTE="nekrothing"]

[QUOTE="dobzilian"]Everything is a Gimmick in someones eyes. Your variation of innovation sounds completely different to mine while your variation of innovation is little more than a gimmick.Brean24

It's not subjective. If something is a gimmick, then it's a gimmick regardless of whether or not you agree.

Like Articuno76 said, we can determine if something is a gimmick based on how its adopted and implemented. The fact that Nintendo and Sony are dropping motion controlled gaming in favor of touchscreen gaming is a clear indicator that motion controlled gaming was nothing more than a gimmick and not actual innovation. If developers had stuck with it and refined it over the years to improve the way we play games, then it would count as innovation. That isn't the case obviously. On the other hand, things like analog sticks and 3D graphics aren't gimmicks. They've genuinely improved the way we play games over the years.

Microsoft is not dropping motion gaming and neither is Sony. Both are including motion controls with their next consoles. Can one not use more than one type of controller? Ever heard the word choice?

Making non-standard controls is a gimmick. It's what made the Wii sell the most. Yes one can use another type of controller, but it is known as a gimmick. 

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#74 nekrothing
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I was an 80's baby, so gimmicks on consoles have always existed for me. The original NES was filled with gimmicky devices. So for me, there was never a transition...it just has always been that way.a55a55inx

I'm an '80s man myself, so I hear what you're saying.

However, the distinction between older consoles and newer consoles in regards to gimmicks is that newer consoles are built from the ground up with their gimmicks in mind. With older consoles, the gimmicks weren't the main focus. They were just side stuff that you had the option of getting.

Every console over the years has had its fair share of gimmicks, that's true. However, they've gone from being optional side stuff to the full blown main feature of a console. Developers are focusing more on these mandatory gimmicks than they are on actual innovation.

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#75 clr84651
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[QUOTE="Brean24"][QUOTE="nekrothing"]

It's not subjective. If something is a gimmick, then it's a gimmick regardless of whether or not you agree.

Like Articuno76 said, we can determine if something is a gimmick based on how its adopted and implemented. The fact that Nintendo and Sony are dropping motion controlled gaming in favor of touchscreen gaming is a clear indicator that motion controlled gaming was nothing more than a gimmick and not actual innovation. If developers had stuck with it and refined it over the years to improve the way we play games, then it would count as innovation. That isn't the case obviously. On the other hand, things like analog sticks and 3D graphics aren't gimmicks. They've genuinely improved the way we play games over the years.

clr84651

Microsoft is not dropping motion gaming and neither is Sony. Both are including motion controls with their next consoles. Can one not use more than one type of controller? Ever heard the word choice?

Making non-standard controls is a gimmick. It's what made the Wii sell the most. Yes one can use another type of controller, but it is known as a gimmick. 

Wii U pad controller, Wii motion controls, PS Move, and Kinect are gimmicks. And yes I own a Wii and The Move controllers. They are all gimmicks or gimmicky. 

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[QUOTE="Zeviander"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]If a mod wants to ban me they can go ahead. I'm perfectly fine with it. But just remember...it's easy to hide behind a computer screen. I'm sick of people cyber stalking me all the time and sending me death threats, these are all people or a person from this site using differnt names and I want to end it right now.Rocker6

Things you need to do: 1. Stop posting in this thread. 2. PM JodyR at Customer Service with links to all the threats made against you. 3. Take a break until it can be resolved, you are only going to make things worse at this point.

Yeah, that's some good advice!

If you keep posting about this here, you'll just draw more attention to yourself, the more angrier and frustrated you seem, the more of these trolls and stalkers can you expect. Take it up with GS customer service, I hope you can get it resolved... you may often troll here on SW to get a rise out of people, but what those stalkers are yelling is going way too far...

Because this attention is what he craves at his core.

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#77 super600  Moderator
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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

This person has issues no doubt, they are mentally ill clearly.

MozartXVI

LOL @ Shadowmoses calling someone else mentally ill. :lol:

And LOL at making up these "hate PMs" and then linking your own youtube comment thinking we wouldn't click the link.

Those PM's are not fake.

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#78 Jankarcop
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Wasn't sm9 supposed to leave SW for good ?

Also I posted a real picture of the last of us and the thread got locked, but SM9 is allowed to troll all day? 

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#79 deactivated-5acbb9993d0bd
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So incremental hardware updates and slightly different dual analog controllers is innovation? :lol: jesus christ you have a backwards outlook on all of this.
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#80 HaloPimp978
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Can't really call something a gimmick if it innovates the industry. Wii was gimmicky but it did innovative the industry and the sales numbers don't lie.

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#81 nekrothing
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So incremental hardware updates and slightly different dual analog controllers is innovation? :lol: jesus christ you have a backwards outlook on all of this.MBirdy88

You're the one with a backwards outlook if you disagree.

Can't really call something a gimmick if it innovates the industry. Wii was gimmicky but it did innovative the industry and the sales numbers don't lie.HaloPimp978

The only part of the industry that the Wii innovated was that it gave developers the idea that they could make lots of money from dead end gimmicky ideas that don't help improve the quality of gaming at all. So then Sony and Microsoft tried to get in on the whole gimmicky motion controlled gaming scene, until it became an unpopular fad. Now Nintendo is dropping the whole motion control thing and moving onto touchscreen gaming, with Sony right behind them. On the other hand, Microsoft is showcasing their fantastically gaudy Illumiroom concept.

Because of the Wii, developers are going to be more concerned with using flashy gimmicks to sell their consoles now instead of relying on real, tangible innovation and evolution. So yeah, thank you Wii.

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#82 deactivated-5acbb9993d0bd
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[QUOTE="MBirdy88"]So incremental hardware updates and slightly different dual analog controllers is innovation? :lol: jesus christ you have a backwards outlook on all of this.nekrothing

You're the one with a backwards outlook if you disagree. lmao nevermind just backwards in general? do you even know what innovation is? I will give you a hint, those 2 things... are not it.

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#83 nekrothing
Member since 2008 • 387 Posts

lmao nevermind just backwards in general? do you even know what innovation is? I will give you a hint, those 2 things... are not it.MBirdy88

I take it you're admitting you have a backwards outlook and have no idea what you're talking about?

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#84 Obviously_Right
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[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I have been threatened by people on here. They usually send me them in messages on PSN or to my Youtube account talking about how they want to put me in an oven and want will hurt me and my family if they ever find me. I am pretty certain who these people are, you're probably one of them.

Like I said, keep laughing behind the safety of your computer where there are no physical consequnces for being an internet assh0le.

ShadowMoses900

If this were true you would have already turned these people over to the proper authorities.

I have gotten several hate messages from this person on my Youtube and PSN, they did it here on GS and IGN too but they got banned from both of those places. I'm not entirely sure who this person is but I think he went by the name of "PCgamesarenotcool" or something similar. Here are the messages he sent me:

"ill slit your throat while youre sleeping you pig **** **** jew snake yeah you ruined sw for me i got banned because you and now you **** up big time jew boi"

Link to Comment Page:IGN Rewind Theater - The Last of Us: Tearing Ap

The user goes by the name of GEARTPO. That is not the end of it however, there have been several other remarks about him and a bunch of other users from this site (who I don't think were aware of this and he was making it up) who were all planning on finding me and killing me. No joke. I got this message on PSN from him:

"stupid kike we are all planning on getting you dumb pig **** your days are numbered we are gonna put you in a oven and burn you alive everyone on here is coming for you"

The gamertag that sent this was Adolfothebest43, though I can't find him on PS3 trophies anymore. Maybe he got banned after I reported him.

(I don't know how to link messages on PSN)

This person has issues no doubt, they are mentally ill clearly. He also named off other users (who I will not name) that are "on his side" though I seriously doubt they are or are even aware of his behavior. I'm not worried at all, it's just a sad person on the interent. However some people are clearly mentally ill and this guy fits that perfectly.

So far I have just blocked him on Youtube and PS3, he got banned from GS and IGN. For the most part it seems to have quited down but every now and then I get a random message on Youtube or PSN from him using a different name and he just foams at the mouth again.

^^^ He isn't lying btw I got a few of these PM's on YouTube.

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#86 D4W1L4H
Member since 2011 • 1765 Posts

blame Nintendo for that. The bastards ruined gaming for everybody. The only ones that care for gaming are Sony because even M$ is all about robbing you and it's clear when you compare PS+ to XBL Gold and its insane failure rate.

Gue1

Sony did motion gaming first though.

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#87 MozartXVI
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[QUOTE="MozartXVI"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

This person has issues no doubt, they are mentally ill clearly.

super600

LOL @ Shadowmoses calling someone else mentally ill. :lol:

And LOL at making up these "hate PMs" and then linking your own youtube comment thinking we wouldn't click the link.

Those PM's are not fake.

Going by his posting history, it's just natural to first assume that everything he says is a lie.

He has lied about getting PMs before. It was one of the reasons they kicked him out of OT.

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#88 nightshade869
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Modern consoles :lol:

The next gen is going to be hilarious, they really will be the poor man's PC.  DRM, no used games, internet required (and not just for a few games, ALL games), fees for online and all of that with p1ss poor specs and no innovation.

1080pOnly
Welcome to quite a few PC games as well that do crap like that. If people didn't pirate games we wouldn't have these issues on ANY system. And as a side note, console use dose not equal poor. There are a lot of ups and downs to consoles vs PC, each with strengths and weaknesses. Much of it comes down to preference.
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#89 Oil_Rope_Bombs
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How are you level 17 with hardly any posts? also everything new is a "gimmick" to gamers so its hard to tell what you mean.

osirisx3
You don't need to make posts to have a high level. If you want to raise your level, you'll have to read blogposts, watch reviews, post comments etc. Also, since the Wii.
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#90 skrat_01
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Since forever. Hardware gimmicks have always been part of the console market, only as technology matured input devices have become the easiest way for a console manufacturer to differentiate their hardware from the next. And innovation can stem from these gimmicks too, problem is we often don't see proper cohesion between the hardware and software in any real meaningful way outside of a few titles.
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#91 Rocker6
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[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="Zeviander"] Things you need to do: 1. Stop posting in this thread. 2. PM JodyR at Customer Service with links to all the threats made against you. 3. Take a break until it can be resolved, you are only going to make things worse at this point.wis3boi

Yeah, that's some good advice!

If you keep posting about this here, you'll just draw more attention to yourself, the more angrier and frustrated you seem, the more of these trolls and stalkers can you expect. Take it up with GS customer service, I hope you can get it resolved... you may often troll here on SW to get a rise out of people, but what those stalkers are yelling is going way too far...

Because this attention is what he craves at his core.

I honetly don't think he's that sad of a person. He may troll often and he may do a pretty good job of riling up people on SW (usually without posting open insults), but these stalkers are going way too far, don't think even he wants to deal with them.

I also noticed he posted much less around here since he wrote that blog about those crazies from PSN...

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#92 Rocker6
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[QUOTE="1080pOnly"]

Modern consoles :lol:

The next gen is going to be hilarious, they really will be the poor man's PC.  DRM, no used games, internet required (and not just for a few games, ALL games), fees for online and all of that with p1ss poor specs and no innovation.

nightshade869

Welcome to quite a few PC games as well that do crap like that. If people didn't pirate games we wouldn't have these issues on ANY system. And as a side note, console use dose not equal poor. There are a lot of ups and downs to consoles vs PC, each with strengths and weaknesses. Much of it comes down to preference.

I'd have problems listing even 10 SP orriented PC games using AO-DRM, so "quite a few" is actually quite an overstatement when you take the size of an overall PC library into the account...

Here, let's try how much I can come up with:

  • Diablo 3
  • Assassin's Creed 2
  • HAWX 2
  • Anno 2070
  • SimCity
  • Settlers 7

That's 6, but feel free to add to the list if I forgot something. Let's see if we can make it to 10...

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[QUOTE="MBirdy88"]lmao nevermind just backwards in general? do you even know what innovation is? I will give you a hint, those 2 things... are not it.nekrothing

I take it you're admitting you have a backwards outlook and have no idea what you're talking about?

No that would be you. "omg my hardware is now more powerful" .... is not innovation its incremental. Motion and Touch controls have effected the industry in a big way regaurdless of wether they take over analog devices or not. hell, we havn't even see what Kinect 2 will be like.
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#94 SecretPolice
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Nintendo gimmicks go way, way, way back - Rob the robot helped NES beat SMS...

Nintendo-Robot-Rob.jpg

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#95 mariokart64fan
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um wiiu accepts used games so if the other 2 dont they will be #$%^&$

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#96 mariokart64fan
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[QUOTE="osirisx3"]

How are you level 17 with hardly any posts? also everything new is a "gimmick" to gamers so its hard to tell what you mean.

Oil_Rope_Bombs

You don't need to make posts to have a high level. If you want to raise your level, you'll have to read blogposts, watch reviews, post comments etc. Also, since the Wii.

so rob the robot , eyetoy trackball , rock n roller , powerglove , sega vr , various packs for dc xboxn64 controllers, ddr dancepads and bongo drums etc didnt exist ?

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#97 Brean24
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The word Gimmick is subjective. Motion Controls are commonly considered Gimmicks because they are new. The controllers we have today were considered Gimmicks when they were first released because they were different than the original simple one or two button with stick controllers that were common in the first generation of game consoles. Motion control is here to stay. To compare Kinect and Move to DDR dancepads and the Powerglove is ridiculous and ignores the huge success of both Move and Kinect. The reality is hardcore gamers are a minority, and though I myself prefer nontraditional controls I do not ignore the millions of people who don't. As technology advances, so will motion controls in gaming. You can not use the same arguments over and over again forever, because the reality is while Kinect is a pain now, one, two generations from now it won't be. Just compare 3D graphics from the 1990s to now, or cars from the early 1900s to now.
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tablet controllers bleh
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#100 Ly_the_Fairy
Member since 2011 • 8541 Posts

Gaming has always been loaded with gimmicks.

Some stay, some go, and some fade out of relevance.

The touch screen of the DS changed the entire landscape of handheld gaming

ROB the Robot died long ago

Light guns are mostly gone now. Yah, the Wii Remote and the Sony ripoff both took the place of light guns, but light gun gaming is incredibly minor now.